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A Tale of Two Programs

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us.

It seems like the programs of Michigan and Penn State are going in completely different directions today. We had a good laugh watching the Wolverines get shot down time and again over the last few weeks since Lloyd Carr announced his retirement. But this weekend after Michigan snagged Rich Rodriguez from West Virginia the laughing coming from Happy Valley got a lot quieter. Time will tell if the hiring of Rodriguez was a good move, but right now there is no denying he was one of the top three or four names in the country.

Earlier this year Carr had his contract restructured to allow him to be paid for administrative duties after this season. But the key was having all of his assistants' contracts restructured into two year deals. The result? His staff remained in tact for his final season knowing that if he retired and the next coach did not require their services they would have a year to find a new gig. There was no mass exodus of recruits. The program remained stable thus remaining attractive to good football coaches.

Now let's jump over Lake Erie to see what life is like on the other side of the channel. We have an 81 year old coach whose contract runs out after the 2008 season. No successor has been made public. No two year contract has been guaranteed to the assistants. The result? Brian Norwood is already gone. Tom Bradley is talking to West Virginia. Other assistant coaches like Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden are rumored to be looking for other opportunities. Dick Anderson and Galen Hall are a bad cold away from calling it a career and retiring. It's no wonder Joe Paterno said his biggest challenge this off season will be keeping his staff together. The only staff member we can be certain isn't entertaining possible career moves is Jay Paterno. There is no guarantee the administration will hire from within the program when Paterno finally decides to step down. And there is no guarantee any of these guys will have jobs when the new coach takes over. The longer the administration goes without giving Joe a new contract the more it appears he will not be back in 2009.

It's time for the administration to end the guessing game. Either give Joe a contract extension or announce that 2008 will be his final season. If Tom Bradley has already been declared the next head coach, why is it being kept a secret? If the administration is going to interview candidates from outside of the program, why not make arrangements to make it financially rewarding for the staff to stay loyal for a few more years?

The current state of affairs is creating an atmosphere of confusion. The assistant coaches are uncertain about their future. Recruits are wary about committing to a coaching staff that may not be there in two years. The time to lay out a long term vision for the program is upon us. We must not delay.

Meanwhile on the other side of the lake it's a new dawn in Ann Arbor. Change is in the air. The Wolverines are full of hope and promise while we sit. And wait. Wondering what will become of our Dear Old State.

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The future
Things at Dear Old State will get a lot worse before they get any better. Does anyone seriously believe Paterno will go gently into that good night? He will scrape and claw to keep his job, including taking on the administration in public, as he has already done from time to time. By the time Paterno does finally make his exit, Penn State will be one of the least attractive HC jobs around. Joe is going to run the program into the ground and no big-time coach wants a rebuilding project.

by NitneLiun on Dec 17, 2007 11:28 PM EST   0 recs

you are totally correct
After 2008 it looks like things will go south and maybe stay there until a new coach and staff comes in.  It is a terrible situation now and the administration either needs to say Paterno can stay as long as he like and give him a contract for life or work up his retirement papers and see just what it is he needs to step down gracefully.

by PSUinTN on Dec 18, 2007 5:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

2009...
is a complete rebuilding project, with or without Joe.  New WRs, new QB, new OL, new LBs, new DBs, new K.  

The good news is that coaches like Petrino and Saban will be available (for a cost), if only for a year or two.

WE ARE...

by dmoney350z on Dec 18, 2007 10:08 AM EST   0 recs

Ugh
Please no Petrino or Saban.

The good news is that currently Penn State is a very attractive job. As long as Curley and Paterno don't run it into the ground we should be ok and have several excellent candidates to choose from.

Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Dec 18, 2007 10:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

What a difference four days makes
It's amazing to see how these things start to steamroll.  Last week, it was rank speculation that Tom Bradley might leave, then something unexpected happens, and now he is being considered for another job (Syracuse vs. WVU is not that far off).  

Like I said previously, Bradley can't wait around forever for Paterno to make a decision, if there is no long term committment to Bradley after the Bowl Game, and the WVU job is offered, he has to take it.

It appears that the administration, unable or unwilling to do anything with Paterno, has decided to try and force him out by letting all of his top assistants leave for other jobs.  If that's the case, they better have a pretty impressive succession plan lined up, or history will look very poorly on Tim Curley and Graham Spanier.  

It would be sad to see Paterno pushed out like this too.  Whatever happens is going to happen after the Alamo Bowl.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 10:11 AM EST   0 recs

We missed a Golden Opertunity
If we were able to go 10-2 this year, we would be going into the bowl game with a chance for Paterno to Tie Bowden.  With our program building momentum and theirs trying to recover from some down years.

Paterno wont leave until Bowden does, and with his figure head status firm established now, Bowden will be at F$U until he starts to embarrass himself.  Which to translates to being behind Paterno in total  wins and loosing more ground so it becomes clear that he wont be able to pass him.

If we closed the gap that could have happened as early as the end of 2009.  Now with the rebuilding we need to do in 2009, I cant see this happening until 2011 or 12.  Paterno will be 86 at that point... Seriously the man is great and deserves better than to be forced out but there is no way an 86 year old will be able to do himself justice in the age of flying cars and jedi mind tricks that 2012 is sure to bring.

by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 11:06 AM EST   0 recs

This could be imminent
In Paterno's 50 years at Penn State I can't think of one instance where he has put his own interests in front of the universities.  It seems unfair to presume that is what's happening now.

I don't know what is going on, but it seems rather clear that something is.  I read a report a few minutes ago that Greg Schiano contacted Joe Paterno, ostensibly to discuss whether or not he should take the Michigan job.  At some point thereafter, he decided to stay at Rutgers for the time being. Since the time of the alleged contact, all of our assitant coaches have been looking for other jobs, and the University has said nothing.

http://www.pennlive.com/columns/patriotnews/jones/index.ssf?/base/columnists/119794748767190.xml& ;coll=1

The rest of the article is nonsensical blaterhing about Coach Paterno's "selfishness", and how Tom Bradley "deserves" to be Penn State's next coach, but that does not mean that the underlying fact he reported is incorrect.

At this point I think Paterno is 50/50 for next season, if 2009 is a rebuilding project, does it not make sense that we should have the new direction picked in advance of the project?

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 11:25 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You're right
It is unfair to presume that after all this time Paterno would be selfish.  I just dont know what to say it is the feeling I have.

I think it's partly me too.  I would love to see him go out ahead of Bowden.  With this latest scandal at F$U:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534

We could see Bowden leaving sooner than originally thought.

by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 2:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The largest problem here
is the administration.  When change comes, it is going to have to be wholesale.  The chances of us landing a good coach for the amount our athletic department is willing to pay is slim.  The way our university conducts business needs to be changed.

by nittanynutz on Dec 18, 2007 11:22 AM EST   0 recs

I disagree
You act like PSU is the Pirates.  PSU spends money and they will spend whatever it takes to keep their pride and joy (football) at the highest level.  The only reason Paterno isnt paid $4 million per year is because he doesnt want to be.  

by Nick7 on Dec 18, 2007 11:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Graham Spanier has said, publicly
that Penn State does not have the money to pay a "big name coach" - he said this before the 2005 season - which to me is code for "we will hire from within" -

perhaps Michigan's experience has/will change some opinions - but I doubt it.

by PSUgirl on Dec 18, 2007 12:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

In a manner of speaking...
...he's right, the University does not have the money.  The Nittany Lion Club will have to step in and raise the money to make up the difference between what PSU can pay, and what the market costs are in reality.  

Just like everywhere else.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 12:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Biting the hand that feeds
They'll find the money if they need it.  If the football program tanks, the entire athletic department tanks.  Spanier's not that stupid -- he won't just hire some douchebag off the street who won a few games in the Mountain West Conference.

by Run Up The Score on Dec 18, 2007 6:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so.
You are viewing the program through rose colored glasses.  I know Paterno is not a greedy man, and he earns money through endorsement deals.

But as it is, Penn State uses the football team to fund all of its sports.  That is 27 total teams, which I believe is the most in the Big Ten.  

I would be surprised to see us pay a coach considerably more than JoePa, and I think we all agree that a big time coach would most likely demand that.

Take the basketball program as an example.  It is the 2nd biggest NCAA sport.  We have a relatively new arena, larger than most AHL teams' venues.  One would think that such a major university would want a high profile coach to get the recruits and put butts in the seats.  Instead, we go after the bargain basement types in hoping of striking gold.  

by nittanynutz on Dec 18, 2007 12:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Right
All of the sports teams are funded by the football program, which relies on seven sellout football games a year.  2007 was sold out because Notre Dame, Ohio State & Wisconsin were on the schedule, but even still, season tickets were available to all Nittany Lion Club Members regardless of point total.  In 2005 and 2006 season tickets were available to non-NLC Members for the first time in a generation.  So PSU is pretty close to not selling out seven games as it is, factor in another prolonged loosing streak, and you might start seeing Beaver Stadium with 80,000 people in it.  

Penn State will do what it takes to make sure the football teams stays competitive.  If money were the issue, they would give Paterno an extension, and let him hire Jay Paterno (assuming that is what he wants).  That would be cheap and easy, but currently, that does not look like the direction they are going.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 12:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Let me drive them to the airport
We just finished a year where we should...SHOULD have been in the BCS at 8-4.  There is no doubt that we are the very worst coached team in college football. Why would anyone lament the potential departure of anyone on that hapless coaching staff?  

You like the Alamo Bowl?  You like watching recruits like Terell Pryor jump from our backyard to Ohio State or Michigan?  Then Joe Paterno is your man, and go ahead and cross your fingers for Tom Bradley to take over.  I for one am tired of the excuses.

Only at Penn State would anyone seriously discuss giving an 81-year-old man a contract extension after the record of futility we've had the last 10 years.  

by happyvalleytom on Dec 18, 2007 12:02 PM EST   0 recs

I'd say that there are probably a few doubts about
whether PSU is the worst coached team in college football -

by PSUgirl on Dec 18, 2007 12:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Shut Up
My God, We've won a BCS Bowl, and New Year's Day bowl, an potentially another one in three years.  I'd hardly say that that makes us the worst coached team.  

We havn't lost Pryor yet either.  We're still on the list and there havnt even been bad rumblings about us.  

You sound a lot like a life/death fan, when in fact, there is a purgatory that 98% of the teams in college football must live in before going to heaven.  We can't all be Ohio St. and USC my dear.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Dec 18, 2007 4:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The emperor has new clothes
If anyone is not familiar with that fable.  I suggest you read it.  

by PSUNJ on Dec 18, 2007 1:12 PM EST   0 recs

Schiano
The guy hasn't even strung together 5 years of winning seasons and his teams certainly have choked at the wrong times (not that PSU is any better).  He's not that great; let's not crown him head coach of PSU just yet....

by Jen on Dec 18, 2007 3:03 PM EST   0 recs

Yeah but
Keep in mind the tools Schiano had to work with. Rutgers was a laughing stock when he got there. His facilities were some of the worst in the country. Nobody cared about Rutgers football. He took that program from shambles to respectability. They're not great, but they're good now and they've gone to a few bowl games. For where they were six years ago that's saying something.

There is no doubt he's recruiting well (for Rutgers), and I like his play calling. I would like to see what he can do when he doesn't have to worry about building a program and he can just focus on running one.

Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Dec 18, 2007 3:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That's not my point at all
I think that most people assumed that after next season that Paterno would resign and Penn State would choose between Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano.  I think the exciting/interesting situation at hand is that it appears that Penn State will not have the luxury of waiting until next year to make this choice because other schools, namely Florida State, Michigan and West Virginia are forcing PSU's hand.

I am not 100% convinced that Schiano is a better choice than Bradley.  Although my personal preference is I like the fact that Schiano left State College and made his own name.  I like ambition in a head coach, I think for as great as our staff is, there is something wrong with an assistant coach that is happy being an assistant in perpetuity.  I didn't like that about Fran Ganter or Jerry Sandusky either.  I thought that if they wanted the job, they should have gone out at proved they could be a head coach then come back when Paterno left.  That's just my opinion, and like I said, I'm not 100% convinced either.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 3:18 PM EST   0 recs

I was actually hoping to get Rich Rod
I know he has not PSU roots but they guy can recruit and is an exciting offensive coach.  I was hoping against hope that we would be able to convince him to come to PSU.  Looks like Michigan had the same idea and got the job done.

by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 3:23 PM EST   0 recs

Another Coach
Let's not count out Kirk Ferentz either.  He's been turning down a lot of jobs for a reason.  
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

by wookieeman on Dec 18, 2007 5:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

There is a good reason for that,
He makes as almost as much as Charlie Weiss and Iowa stinks.
For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 5:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

This Is Pointless
I think this speculation comes purely from us not having much to talk about.

#1, Paterno will coach as long as he is able.  At this point, whats the differance between 81 and 86?  Thats right, a debilitating illness or injury.  Unless Joe suffers one of those two things, or a sharp decline in performance (I'm talking losing seasons here, not GASP! 8-4) he'll be here.  Also, this talk of "rebuilding" seems rather overrated to me.  Tony Hunt, M-Rob, and most of the 2005 guys were a lot less highly regarded entering their stints as starters than the likes of Royster, Devlin, Quarless, etc.  I also think these guys we're "rebuilding" with are a lot better than some of the crap teams in the early 2000s that Joe stuck around to coach.  I hardly think that "rebuilding" will drive him out.  He can win with these players.

#2 Just because the plan of succession hasn't been announced to the blogging community yet doesn't mean that the administration doesn't have one in place.  You don't know what has gone on behind closed doors.  I hardly think that a university with a 110,000 seat stadium, 29 varsity sports, and one of the largest alumni booster clubs in America got there by being stupid.  These people aren't dummies.  

#3 I think people are puting a lot more into the lack of an extension than its worth. We've done things the Penn State way for 50 years, and its done us good.  I hardly think changing that, and dumping Paterno before hes shown a clear decline (4-8 not 8-4) is craziness.  JoePa will be back until something bad inevitably happens.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Dec 18, 2007 5:07 PM EST   0 recs

It is pointless.
and we are bored, but we are also worried.  We all want to be back in the national spotlight and if not winning championships at least nationally relevant like in the 90's.  I think most of the impatiences stems from the fact that now that we've rode out the  Dark Ages, and actually put together a couple of good recruiting classes, we are all very disappointed that we're not back on the National stage.

by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 5:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Huh?
They put us on in primetime twice this year.  In the leadup to the OSU game, every analyst said "Watch out for that trip to Happy Valley".  We're on ABC or ESPN every single time the Big Ten  doesn't force us onto the BTN.

To say we aren't nationally relevent is selling the program very short.  People watch Penn State.  You don't have to be 10-2 to be relevent nationally.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Dec 18, 2007 6:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Making it on TV....
Is not what i mean by nationally relevant.  What do you want them to say before a game that they have scheduled for PrimeTime?  #14 is a bonehead, he's going to be totally ineffective for the Lions, the only chance they have of winning is if DC40 and Sean Lee can each score a touchdown.

We all had high hopes for this team because we follow the team closely and seen the potential but what fan of another program was thinking "Oh and then there's PSU, they're always good and now look at all those starters they are bring back, I bet they'll be tough"  Thats how it used to be, now we're an afterthought, or at best we get a tiny bit of respect half way through the season if we have a good record and enough other teams have lost.

by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 8:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

We Are Not.........
nationally relevant.  You need to get XM radio and listen to something outside of Altoona if you aren't already.

Nobody besides Herbie had us picked to win the BIG 10 this year and I can't tell you how many times I listened to people on radio say "REALLY" or looked at him in shock when he would say he thought Penn State was going to surprise some people.  

One BCS Bowl Appearance in 15 years......15 other teams in the country have more BCS appearances than we do....Stanford has as many BCS Bowl Appearances as we do.  That isn't Nationally Relevant.  Its funny......if we ARE nationally relevant its only because of the attention Paterno and his age bring to the program.....it certainly isn't because of the teams performance over the last 15 years.  

Our signature wins since 1992 are what ?  I just scanned back over our schedules for the last 15 years and I don't see any wins that would make anyone stand up and take notice.  We have been an above average team for 15 years and I think the records bare that out.  

Having said that, I am not saying boot Joe out the door, but it probably should be sooner rather than later.  The longer this goes on the more your reputation suffers and the further away from being relevant we become in the minds of the media and recruits.  

Also remember......we needed 7 interceptions and were outgained 3 to 1 in total offense the last time we won a NC in football, so I think the program is bigger in the minds of locals than in the minds of the rest of the country.  But that is just my humble opinion.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2007 9:44 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

When did the BCS turn 15?
No signature wins since 1992? Seriously? Having a defense that punched Miami in the mouth and forced turnovers in 1986 means that team is a joke? Who scored more points in that game? Your argument has so many holes, where the hell would someone begin?

by PSU Nick on Dec 19, 2007 10:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Punched Them In The Mouth ?
to the tune of almost 500 yards of offense ?  I didn't say the team was a joke, but I think there is a tendency to think that we have dominated when we havent.

What are the other holes ?

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2007 10:48 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Watch Michael Irvin short arm passes in that game
and watch the Heisman Trophy winner Intercepteverde litter the field with picks.

by PSU Nick on Dec 19, 2007 11:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed......
that was great when Irvin was punished.  The offense was........uh........bad.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2007 11:09 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Technically
it was five interceptions and two fumble recoveries.  
For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 19, 2007 10:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Furthermore
You are correct.  

From 1993 to 1999 Penn State had seventy Nationally Irrelevant Wins.  Penn State has only won one BCS game in 15 years unless you count the Fiesta Bowl in 1996 and the Rose Bowl 1994.  Penn State was not ranked number one at all during that period unless you count vast portions of the 1994, 1996 and 1999 seasons.  Nobody off of those teams ever got drafted, or had a decent career in the NFL.

Penn State was not elected National Champions in 1994, so that undefeated season is irrelevant, but one loss SEC teams that do win that vote are proof that Penn State is non-factor on the national scene.  

Whatever, lets take up a collection and tear down Beaver Stadium, we can all become Georgia fans.  Go Dawgs!

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 19, 2007 10:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'm Not A Dawg Fan.......
I am a Penn State fan.  I just try to look at the facts and I think I am better positioned to hear what other folks think of the program.  I am not blindly loyal because I live in PA.

1994 and 1999......hmm.......1999 is almost 10 years ago.  Sr's coming out right now were 8.  I don't think they really care about what happened when they were in 2nd grade.

You're right.....I forgot about The Rose Bowl where Number 2 ranked PSU beat Number 12 ranked Oregon and the Fiesta Bowl when number 7 ranked PSU beat number 20 ranked Texas.......almost as impressive as in 2005 when number 3 ranked PSU beat number 23 ranked FSU.  Sorry....those aren't signature wins in my book.  What is PSU record against the top 20 again in the last 15 years ?  It isn't good.  

Look......I am simply suggesting that Penn State isn't as high on everybody's list outside of PA and the facts in my last two posts are an attempt to communicate why.  I love PSU, but I am not delusional.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2007 11:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

relevancy is relative
Penn State has had three bad seasons (1988, 2000 & 2001) and two biblically awful seasons (2003 and 2004) over the last fifty years.  Other than that pretty much everything else has been pretty decent, and sometimes pretty great.  Everybody has bad seasons.  

The whole world's love child LSU went 4-7 in 1998 and 3-8 in 1999.  Sound familiar at all?  Historically, they stink about as often as they are good, for god's sake they employed Gerry DiNardo.

USC and Pete Carroll Super Genius went 5-7 and 6-6 in 2000 and 2001, and he is still trying to get his second undefeated season.  USC also had some sub five win seasons in the 1990's and they never stopped being nationally relevant.  

Is Alabama nationally relevant?  I would say so, despite the fact that since the NCAA cut the nuts off their program for a systemic pattern of cheating that reaches back to Bear Bryant, they have been mediocre at best.

What about Ohio State and Michigan from 1970-1994?  Zero undefeated seasons and zero national titles between them during that time (only two between them since).  Did they stop being nationally relevant?  

To focus on one bad period exclusively and say that Penn State is no longer nationally relevant is just demonstrably incorrect.  Further, I am not delusional, I see the fact that Paterno is 81, and have argued, at length, for a reasonable succession plan.  But to say, or even to really insinuate, that the program is in shambles, and is no longer relevant is wrong.

Is Penn State a top ten program right now? No.  Is it a top twenty program? Yes, it is.  The facilities, history/tradition, recruiting base and fan support are all present in sufficient supply to get Penn State back into the top 1% of football programs.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 19, 2007 12:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree
It is a simple fact that no college program is dominant for more than 5-10 years at current usc/tosu levels, it is cyclical and we have been one of the most consistent over the years.  Look at Nebraska and Miami now, I am sure these teams will be in the top 25 within 5 years.  It is why we love the game and feel hope after a 10-4 season (I am optimistic).

by PSU86 on Dec 19, 2007 12:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Optimistic is one thing
But I don't think we are going to beat Texas A&M twice [kidding].
For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 19, 2007 12:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

oops
Some fan I am, 3 weeks after last regular game and I forgot the W/L, what was the QB's name?

by PSU86 on Dec 19, 2007 12:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hey Look!
Here are some pictures of our quaint, regional, wholly irrelevant nationally program on the cover of some silly magazine that nobody ever reads.

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/2005/1128.html

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1999/0816.html

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1997/0825.html

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1994/1024.html

Go Dawgs!

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 19, 2007 10:50 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
You can't say the 1990's were a complete waste. We held high rankings in 1994, 1997, and 1999. We didn't bring home championships, but we were competitive.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Dec 19, 2007 11:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I Agree Too.....
I am simply saying this isn't the 90's anymore.  

To think we are as relevant now as we were in the 90s, I think, is inaccurate.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2007 11:07 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You were making the argument that
Penn State has been irrelevant for the past fifteen years. Whether that was your intention or not that was how you presented it.

by PSU Nick on Dec 19, 2007 11:14 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

maybe pointless
[1] Paterno wants to coach as long as he is able. Reasonable minds can disagree on whether or not this is a good idea, I don't want to get in to it.  Just about everything on a blog is pointless speculation or opinion.

[2] Of course there is a plan, but is Paterno's plan?  Paterno's plan is more of the same and extensions for everyone, this is a plan that is clearly not in place, at least yet.

[3] Not enough is being made out of the lack of extensions.  If they extend Paterno, Bradley, Johnson, etc. it was a critical mistake not to do so months ago.  If these are our guys, what are we waiting on?  The only logical explanation is that they are waiting on something else.

In other news reports have Terrell Pryor taking Penn State of his possible list of schools;

http://blog.pennlive.com/pasports/2007/12/cant_catch_a_big_fish.html

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 5:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That report is inaccurate.
PSU is still very much in it for Pryor.

by Run Up The Score on Dec 18, 2007 6:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I know it's going to sound like I
hate Joe, and nothing could be further from the truth.  He, more than any other individual, is responsible for the growth of the entire university.  But, the problem I have with him now, is this:  If you listened to Lloyd Carr's press conference announcing his retirement, he said the reason he was announcing his retirement at that exact time was because of "it was in the best interest of Michigan football.  To do so at a later date would have been ridiculous."  When you listen to Joe speak about coaching, he always says he enjoys it, etc., but you never here him say that he feels it's in the best interest of the University, the team, or the fans for him to coach.  So is he staying because he feels he has something of value to contribute, or is it because he has nothing else to do or look forward to and is using the school to keep him from perhaps ending up like Bear Bryant?

by Ab4PSU on Dec 19, 2007 3:02 PM EST   0 recs

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