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Yes, I'm still on vacation, if you call running yourself ragged from 6 AM to 9 PM and passing out on the couch a vacation. But fortunately I'm still finding time to drop a blog post or two for you. Today it's the Blue White Roundtable with questions compliments of Run Up The Score. Galen was last spotted at 3 AM on Monday offering sexual favors in exchange for $5 chips outside the Luxor. We're confident he'll be ok and get the chip stack back up again. Hopefully he'll have some time to take part in the Blue White Roundtable over at The Nittany Line this week. But unlike the Marines, we do leave our men behind. The Blue White Roundtable must go on. Let's get to it.

For some odd reason, the undefeated 1994 Penn State team has been popping up on various blogs and message boards lately.  What's your favorite memory of that season, and what made that team so unbelievably special?

I was a junior at University Park in 1994, so I remember that season pretty vividly. My favorite memory was Bobby Engram catching the game winning touchdown in Michigan. Not so much for the thrilling game, but for the mayhem that ensued. Michigan was ranked #5 in the country, and after them we only had to get past #21 Ohio State at home and we knew we were going undefeated.

After the game students just poured out onto College Avenue and shut it down. We paraded up and down the street. People were throwing ticker tape and toilet paper all over the place. You would think we just won World War Three.


It looked a lot like this

A group of students tried to break into Beaver Stadium to tear down the goal posts, but the police turned them away. Not to be deterred, they raided the intramural field and tore down those goal posts. After parading them up and down College Avenue they carried them across campus and dumped them in JoePa's front yard.

Around midnight that night they held a rally outside of Beaver Stadium when the team got back in town. Joe told us all how proud he was of his players and our fans. Ki-Jana got up in front of the microphone, but he couldn't talk over the chants of "Heisman! Heisman!" It was just a great day. Looking back on it now I consider it the high water mark of Penn State football.

Penn State -- and especially Penn State fans -- have always had a love/hate relationship with the Big Ten, and vice versa.  Back in '94, most of the AP voters in the Big Ten region voted Nebraska #1.  We don't need to get too far into the various officiating controversies, real or imagined, in big games against Ohio State and (especially) Michigan.  On the other hand, it's pretty clear that most non-Irish schools need some sort of conference affiliation.  Does Penn State really belong in the Big Ten?  In your eyes, what is PSU's ideal conference -- would we be better off in the Big East or ACC?  For bonus points, break apart current conferences and create your own Super Awesome Conference.

You could make the argument the Big East or ACC would be a better fit geographically, but I wouldn't trade our spot in the Big Ten for anything. The Big Ten is more Penn State's style. The Big Ten is bruising linebackers and pounding running backs. Three yards and a cloud of dust. Penn State belongs in the Big Ten. Could you picture Penn State throwing the ball around trying to keep up with Florida State and Miami in the ACC?

If I had to put together the Super Awesome Conference to Top All Conferences Conference, I would create an east coast conference to include Penn State obviously. Add Michigan and Ohio State since they would have to be a package deal anywhere they went. Add Notre Dame in there to boost the Midwest contingent. Then I would add the three Florida schools: Miami, Florida, and Florida State. To fill out the geography between Florida and the Midwest I would throw in Georgia, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech. Then since every conference needs their bottom feeders, I would throw in West Virginia and Pitt to make it twelve schools. These would also give Penn State some natural rivals.

What game on this year's schedule is most likely to induce severe depression and force you to repeatedly ask yourself on Sunday morning, "How the hell did we lose that game?"

Oh man I don't know. If we lose to Temple I'll probably shut down BSD for a month or two. The game I want the worst is Notre Dame. It may be another 10-15 years until we play them again. After the beating we took last year, we need to get them back. If we lose that game I will be very disappointed.

The hot rumor (okay, not really) is that ESPN GameDay will be coming to the PSU / Notre Dame game this September.  Generally speaking, what are your thoughts about GameDay?  Has ESPN improved college football over the past 15 years, or made it worse?

I think GameDay is great. It creates a buzz on campus and lets everyone know it's a big game. Sure ESPN has its flaws in its "World Domination of Sports" kind of way, but I would much rather have GameDay come to Happy Valley once or twice a year than to not have them. For all the crap we give ESPN, they have made college football more accessible than ever. Twenty years ago the only games you had available to watch on a Saturday afternoon were on NBC, ABC, and CBS. You might see two or three Penn State games on television per year. Now with ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU regional coverage Penn State fans can see the Nittany Lions eight or nine times per year. If the Big Ten can get their act together and give Comcast a share of the pie we'll see them even more on the Big Ten Network.

What's more ridiculous than bowl predictions in June? Talking about them in a semi-serious manner! Fox Sports recently published their 2007-2008 bowl predictions, and they have Penn State playing Georgia in the Capital One Bowl (which would roughly be the 25th anniversary of our first National Championship -- against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl). FSN has Wisconsin winning the Big Ten and heading to the Rose Bowl, along with Michigan getting the Big Ten a second BCS slot in the Sugar Bowl (against Hawaii?!?). In this scenario, Penn State finishes third in the conference, probably with a 10-2 record. Is that reasonable?  Good enough for your lofty standards?

Everyone is really high on Wisconsin this year. Why not? They went 12-1 last year, won their bowl game against one of those space age SEC teams, and they return a lot of talent. I think the Badgers are going to disappoint a lot of people who rank them in the top 10 to start the season. Remember last year they didn't have to play Ohio State and they played Penn State at home. This year Ohio State comes back on the schedule and they have to play in Happy Valley where they traditionally do not do well.

Michigan has to rebuild their defense and Ohio State has to rebuild their offense. I think Penn State will be favored in every game they play except for the Michigan game. Realistically I would say we'll go 10-2 and play in the Capital One Bowl. So if that happens I won't be slitting my wrists. After going 8-4 I'll take 10-2. But that's why they play the games. With some lucky breaks this team has a chance to go undefeated.

Lightning Round

Okay, hit us with a movie suggestion.

I'm the last guy you want to ask for this. I hate watching movies unless they have fart humor in them. For that reason I'll recommend Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan. It's niiiiice!

If you could watch a game in any other college stadium, where would it be?

Michigan. Lot's of tradition, but they don't throw it all up in your face until you puke like at Notre Dame. Plus after meeting their fans in Happy Valley last year I'm pretty confident I wouldn't get killed or peed on, unlike Ohio State.

What will Notre Dame's final record be this season?

I suspect they will start 0-3 with games against Georgia Tech, Penn State, and Michigan. Then they have some tough games against UCLA, Boston College, and USC. Fortunately for them they'll end on a four game winning streak against Navy, Duke, Air Force, and Stanford. I think they'll end the year 6-6. Jimmy Clausen should have two Heismans by then and that should be good enough for them to be ranked #8 and get an invitation to the Fiesta Bowl.

That'll do it. Go check out Run Up The Score and The Nittany Line and give your opinions in the comments.

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Fightin' Lions Fan
Let me preface this comment by stating that I am a Notre Dame alumni and without question a huge Irish fan.  I also, however, have a love for Penn State football and have considered myself a huge Nit' Lion fan since I was a toddler.  Being born and raised outside of Pittsburgh you immediately picked a program to follow - Pitt or Penn State.  My choice was easy since the Lions program has always been top rate; the fans unbelievably supportive, and the coach legendary.  (That and Pitt sucks.)  

Black Shoes Diaries is further representation of the Penn State quality.  

That said, it really strikes me that on the various Penn State blogs, that there is a huge fascination, no, let's call it a fixation with Notre Dame and Charlie Weis.  Honestly, is there any other program that is mentioned as often in the number of side comments that are made?  Our top Big Ten rivals Ohio State and Michigan barely rate a blip, and yet ND is treated with consistent coverage that would rate a # 1 rival.  

I will be the first to admit that it is unusual for someone to be a fan of both the University of Notre Dame and Penn State University.  However, I will also argue that with the tradition, the commitment to education, and the loyal followings, that ND and PSU football fans share more similarities than probably any other universities in the country.  (That theory no doubt, much to your bemusement.)

I don't see a similar obsession with PSU on the Notre Dame blogs, so why not focus on Penn State and Big Ten football; (until September 8, of course)?  

by Jerry @ Black Shoe Diaries on Jun 20, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I would say part of the fascination
is how often Notre Dame is consistently overrated and fawned upon by the media, while Penn State is underrated and dismissed by the same media, despite many similarities between the schools.

by Nick Blonde on Jun 20, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!
I agree.  EVERYTHING Notre Dame does get magnified.  That sword cuts both ways - good and bad.

Based on your comment, however, you must agree with me Nick.  If you feel ND is "fawned" on by the media, then there is no reason to dwell on the Irish even more in a Penn State blog.  

Should we really care what ND's record will be this season?

Love the Phish.

by Jerry @ Black Shoe Diaries on Jun 20, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think part of a blog
is to comment on the media, in both serious and satirical fashion, as well as illuminate the topics and stories that are ignored. In my opinion, speaking on Notre Dame is an off shoot of media examination.

by Nick Blonde on Jun 20, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep
Nick--

I don't disagree with your comments.  My point is that I find it amazing that those that disapprove of Notre Dame's exposure then turnaround and discuss them disproportionately even as compared to teams within their own conference.

Don't you find it strange how one week we get a comment regarding Notre Dame's Zack Frazier transfer, "Honestly, who cares? He had his chance to go to Penn State and he gave us the finger. Now Charlie found a new girl to take to the prom. We've got Pat Devlin now. Go pound sand. (That blogger question still has my blood boiling.)"; then the next week we are asking to predict Notre Dame's 2007 record?

Hey - keep the Irish conversation going.  I would much rather be associated with a team that people want to talk about, (love or hate), than a team where fan apathy rules.  This blog serves me well discussing my two favorite teams.

by Jerry @ Black Shoe Diaries on Jun 20, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

My personal ND infatuations...
...stems from the fact that I grew up in northeastern Pennsylvania, where EVERYONE is either a Penn State or Notre Dame fan.  So anything that either of those teams does is big news, for better or worse.  So many Irish, so many Catholics, so much  fun to break each other's stones.

That's why the ND game is more important to me than any other this year.  I'll never hear the end of it if we lose, because I have no idea when we'll get another shot at them.

by Run Up The Score on Jun 20, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Right on Run
It was rough growing up, way back when Notre Dame was actually still relevent under Holtz. In elementary school, you had the obnoxious kids who were for Notre Dame fans, probably because they were one of the few known, good schools, liked to announce how great they were. That made that Craig Fayak game-winning kick was SO, SO SWEET! Coincidently, those kids became Miami fans as Notre Dame faded and most likely currently reside in USC fandom.

by Nick Blonde on Jun 20, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beautiful....
Not sure I would say the ND isn't relevant any more than I would say that about the Lions.  

Regardless, if being irrelevant gets you 41 points, how would you describe the 17 points accumulated by the Lions last season?  Feeble?  Wretched?  I'm lost for adjectives.

In all seriousness, whether you want to admit it or not I think both PSU and the Irish are the good guys in college football.  College football is better for it when both teams are in contention.

Just one guy's opinion.

by Jerry @ Black Shoe Diaries on Jun 20, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame
We bring up Notre Dame because people like to talk about them. I took a few jabs at Illinois in the post below this one, and I have yet to get one comment on it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Jun 20, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Only 2 Heismans
for Jimmy Clausen?  Honestly Mike.  Stop being so modest about him this year.  I actually would look at them sitting 5-7.  I don't see them beating USC this year.

by bdizz on Jun 20, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Navy
Navy is actually a not too shabby team, granted I am biased because they do run the option :P

by hasuprotoss on Jun 20, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

NEPA
I live in the Wilkes Barre area R.U.T.S., grew up in Mountaintop, I know exactly what you are talking about. Growing up I assumed everyone was either for PS or ND. Why the hell are there so many ND fans here anyway? Yes, there are alot of Irish folks in the area but still, that can't be the main factor. I don't get it.

by nittanyroar on Jun 20, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

TV Perhaps.........
I think back in the day religion was much more important to Americans.  Probably a log of Catholics.....lots of Italians in PA....and the reason I maybe they were on the Radio a lot back in the day when not everybody had a TV.  Those are just guesses.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jun 21, 2007 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike.......is there and edit post funcion on this
website ? I can't type.  :)
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jun 21, 2007 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.
Really.......I can't.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jun 21, 2007 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, No
We don't have the ability to let users edit their comments. You get one shot so get it right!
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Jun 21, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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