Big Ten Blogger Roundtable Shameless Homer Edition
Thanks to Michigan Sports Center for hosting the roundtable last week. This week our attention stays with Michigan as Maize-n-Brew has the questions. Go check him out and follow the links to the other bloggers.
1. Time to break out the crystal ball. I want to know what happens at the END of the season. Give me your offensive and defensive Players of the Year in the Big Ten along with Coach of the Year and why.
I think Curtis Painter from Purdue is on pace to throw 543.7 touchdowns this year. Say what you want about Joe Tiller, but that man can coach quarterbacks. Everybody told him he couldn't run a pass happy offense in the Big Ten. By God, he's doing it. Of course, maybe he should have listened when they told him you have to play tough defense too.
On the defensive side of the ball I'm going to have to be a homer and go with Dan Connor. Moving him to the middle has resulted in him being a factor on every play. He's leading the team in tackles, sacks, and tackles for loss. He's everywhere. And if Penn State continues to compete for the conference championship he'll get the publicity he deserves. James Laurinaitis may be tough to beat if quarterbacks keep throwing the ball at him.
For coach of the year, right now Mark Dantonio at Michigan State is my front runner. He's sitting at 3-0 now and will probably be 4-0 after playing Notre Dame this week. They have actually looked impressive. If he continues that momentum through into the conference schedule and takes this team to a bowl game that will be a small miracle considering the train wreck John L. Smith left him.
2. With the upsets, close games, and head scratchers so far, every game we thought was going to be important has changed. Michigan State is 3-0, for Pete's sake, and they look good doing it. Pick the three games on the Big Ten Schedule that will determine the Big Ten Champion. Bonus Points for not picking three games on your own schedule.
I'll have to forego the bonus points because I think Penn State will be a major factor in the Big Ten race this year.
Oct. 6 - Iowa at Penn State
The Hawkeyes don't play Ohio State or Michigan this year, so their games against Wisconsin and Penn State will be pivital to them. Unfortunately for them they play both teams on the road. But win them both and the Hawkeyes will win the conference.
Oct 13 - Wisconsin at Penn State
Both teams could be 6-0 at this point assuming Penn State gets past Michigan and Wisconsin gets past Iowa. The winner has the inside track to the conference championship.
Nov 3 - Wisconsin at Ohio State
It's possible both teams could have one or two losses by this point, but it's also possible they will both be undefeated. This game is a major piece in determining the conference champion. The winner keeps their Rose Bowl hopes alive. The loser will probably end up in the Outback Bowl.
3. How many games, this season, have you been to? How many games have you tailgated at? If you have tailgated, name your beverage of choice. If you answered no to the previous questions, hang your head in shame, or at least give a good story about watching the game in enemy territory and giving the bouncer the finger when he asked you to quiet down.
I've only made it to one of the three games so far, the Florida International game. We sipped down Captain and Cokes as we ate our pancakes and scrapple. It was a glorious day after the eight month football layoff. I'm planning on going to the Iowa game in a few weeks. I've got tickets lined up through the rest of the season except for the Ohio State game. So if anyone out there has a spare ticket...
Bitter/Angry Bonus Question!
4. As the Big Ten Season kicks off, the Conference is in somewhat of a difficult position nationally. Needing some momentum after a horrid BCS performance, the Conference needed some momentum early in the season. It hasn't gotten it. The first three weeks have been abysmal. Is this just a down year for the Big Ten, is there a change Nationally that the Big Ten just hasn't picked up on, is there some truth to the "Big Ten Style of Play" that everyone harps on, or has college football simply caught up? What do you think and why? I may be beating a dead horse, but no one looks good this year and I'm at a loss as to why.
Did I just imagine Penn State and Wisconsin beating ranked SEC teams last year?
You know what, this has to stop. It's a down year for Michigan. Why does that mean the rest of the conference is "abysmal"? Because Iowa lost in a rivalry game? Or because a rebuilding Ohio State offense was slow out of the gate against Akron? The rest of the conference is fine. Take a look at these records.
I think the record of the Big Ten fits in just fine with these other conferences. The thing that sticks out is Michigan. Everyone else is taking care of business except for the bottom feeders and the fluke loss by Iowa. There have been some scares with Wisconsin and Ohio State, but then every other conference has had their share of scares too.
The Big Ten put themselves in this position by elevating Ohio State and Michigan above all the other teams. When Michigan and Ohio State do well the Big Ten is the greatest conference in the Milky Way Galaxy. When they lose it's a down year for the conference. It's always been like this and until it stops teams like Penn State and Wisconsin are going to pay for it. If any Big Ten team other than the big two goes undefeated they may very well get shut out of the championship game. We'll end up watching an undefeated and untested West Virginia get slaughtered by USC or Florida in the National Championship game while we're playing Hawaii in the Rose Bowl.
We as bloggers must not ignore the power we hold. We don't have to like it, but we can be proud of our conference champion even if it isn't Michigan or Ohio State. Any team that gets through Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Wisconsin and the others deserves consideration for the National Championship.
| Conference | Record Against FBS Teams | Record Against FCS Teams |
|---|---|---|
| Big Ten |
20 - 6 | 6 - 1 |
| Big East |
12 - 5 | 6 - 0 |
| Big XII |
23 - 8 | 4 - 1 |
| SEC |
12 - 3 | 5 - 0 |
| ACC |
11 - 8 | 5 - 0 |
| PAC 10 |
18 - 6 | 2 - 0 |
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Are you people serious?
They barely scraped by Pitt's backups. Obviously no one here has watched any of their games. Pitt has anything that resembles a QB and they win easily.
And this happens every year. They looked amazing half way through the ND game, like they were a top ten team. Sell! Sell now! - impending doom is on the horizon. They'll be winning at half time, and by the end of the game will resurect NDs season and give them their first win this season.
by WakeUp on Sep 20, 2007 2:37 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm not so sure
Hey, how come we never see Big Ten head coaches leaving to go take a job in the Big East?
by BSD on
Sep 20, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
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Gotta love this...
Hmmm...that's funny. Big East fans break out the same argument for WVU's Sugar Bowl win over then #10-Georgia and it usually gets dismissed for some lame-ass reason like "WVU doesn't play defense" or "Georgia wasn't up for the game".
and this...
"We'll end up watching an undefeated and untested West Virginia get slaughtered by USC or Florida in the National Championship game while we're playing Hawaii in the Rose Bowl."
If WVU goes to the national championship game, it will have beaten three other teams currently ranked in the Top 25.
If USC goes to the national championship game, it will have beaten...three teams currently ranked in the Top 25.
So does that make USC "untested" as well? Or is it WVU's fault that they have to play three other teams in their own conference that just happen to be ranked right now? Two of the three currently-ranked teams USC is playing this year are in-conference opponents as well. Does that matchup against Nebraska (currently #24, ranked #14 when the game was played) make them that much more "tested"?
I understand the Big East is still fighting the respectability battle here, but when these arguments to devalue Big East teams can just about be used to devalue teams from other power conferences, the arguments start to suffer.
by Stoosh on Sep 20, 2007 3:06 PM EDT 0 recs
You guys
by BSD on
Sep 20, 2007 5:03 PM EDT
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You're Missing the Point, Mike...
I merely brought up the WVU over Georgia because the same rationale you used in your comment about the PSU and Wisconsin bowl wins last year was the exact SAME rationale Big East fans were making a year ago when we were asked to justify our conference's push for respectability.
When the Big East was being criticized as a weak conference, Big East supporters pointed to a BCS bowl win over a ranked SEC team, and critics of the Big East - some of whom hold Big Ten allegiances - still attempted to devalue the win. Now some are being critical of the quality of the Big Ten, and Big Ten supporters - some of the very same people who derided the WVU win over Georgia - are using the same argument to talk down critics of the quality of the Big Ten. Apparently I'm the only one who appreciates the irony there.
If you've read any of my posts on here, I've said time and again that the Big East is going to need a hell of a lot more than just one signature win to achieve the kind of respectability they seek. So no, I'm not still riding the win over Georgia. I'm also not claiming the conference's 5-0 record in bowl games last year was some statement that the Big East has arrived either.
I've said before that the Big East teams are going to need to string together a bunch of big wins and have some teams make legitimate runs at a national championship every so often to achieve that kind of respect. And it's going to take a long time...probably ten years or so.
As far as Louisville goes, I could answer a question with a question and ask if Louisville losing on the road to Kentucky was really any worse than Wisconsin finding itself down halfway through the fourth quarter against UNLV (that's a UNLV team that went 2-10 last year) or struggling to beat a Citadel team that lowly old Pitt handled last year. But I'll let that go.
I'm going to wait until October to see what to make of Kentucky before I argue the value of that Louisville loss. Kentucky goes to South Carolina and then hosts LSU and Florida in successive weeks in October. Depending on how the Wildcats do there (what if UK upsets either LSU or Florida at home?), Louisville's loss to UK may not look so bad.
I didn't get too high in the days after USF's win at Auburn because it's since borne out that Auburn could be incredibly overrated. The same rationale holds for the Kentucky loss...they could very well be better than most people think.
by Stoosh on
Sep 21, 2007 9:11 AM EDT
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Yes, it's all our fault, but...
That said, this perception is actually accurate. The Big Ten's 20-6 FBS record that Mike cites is built on a whole bunch of nothing. Here are the Sagarin ratings of those 20 FBS victims:
--Ill: 128 (Syr)
--IU: 111 (WMU), 95 (Akron)
--Iowa: 124 (N. Ill.), 128 (Syr)
--U-M: 113 (ND)
--MSU: 125 (UAB), 65 (BGSU), 53 (Pitt)
--Minn: 80 (Mia-O)
--N'w: 89 (Nev)
--OSU: 95 (Akron), 20 (Wash.)
--PSU: 144 (FIU), 113 (ND), 126 (Buf)
--Pur: 121 (Tol), 86 (CMU)
--Wis: 48 (WSU), 96 (UNLV)
One win against the top 25! Two against the top 50! For the whole league!
So far, only OSU has demonstrated it can beat upper-echelon competition. Much of the rest of the conference hasn't even tried, of course, but given the multiple meltdowns and close calls against supposed cupcakes, no wonder observers are skeptical of the Big Ten.
by mich96 on Sep 20, 2007 4:10 PM EDT 0 recs
LU...
You guys pad your schedule with the softest OOC ever...and the rest of the teams play a style you match up favorably with, as opposed to Michigans schedule.
In the landscape of college football today, the big televens inability to deal with the multiple different styles is what makes everyone think your league is down - because it is no longer dominant. Teams aren't going to line up and knock you off the ball, they're going to run around you all day.
by WakeUp on Sep 20, 2007 5:48 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm calling BS
Northwestern and Purdue play a spread offense like Louisville does. The slow stodgy Big Ten defenses seem to keep them in check pretty ok.
I hope to God we meet West Virginia or Rutgers in the National Championship game. It'll be just like old times whipping their asses.
by BSD on
Sep 20, 2007 7:44 PM EDT
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WVU v PSU
You scheduled the bottom 3 teams in DIA, and ND ended up being the worst team in DIA this year. So, whether you wanted it to be or not, it is the softest OOC in college football history. It is what it is.
Purdue's O ranks nowhere near LU's - we're talking top 2/4 in total/scoring O in the nation. Running a bad spread O isn't comparable to LU. I hope like hell one of these games gets played this year - but i don't think we share any bowl tie-ins. I just don't know when our conferences will ever have the top teams play.
by WakeUp on
Sep 20, 2007 8:03 PM EDT
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Of course it's not the same...
by Cpiritual27 on
Sep 20, 2007 8:32 PM EDT
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For what it's worth...
BIG EAST
Ranked in the NCAA top half (Rutgers 4th, USF 25th, Cincy 31st, and Louisville 40th)
Ranked in the NCAA bottom half (WVU 62nd, UConn 82nd, Pitt 87th, and Syracuse 107th)
BIG TEN
Ranked in the NCAA top half (Wisconsin 5th, Michigan 10th, OSU 12th, PSU 15th and Illinois 33rd)
Ranked in the NCAA bottom half (Iowa 68th, NW 85th, Michigan State 88th, Indiana 109th, Minnesota 113th and Purdue 114th)
For starters, Louisville wasn't half bad for a team that allegedly doesn't play defense. And I'm not going to argue with the top five teams of the Big Ten, but doesn't the Big Ten's bottom half kind of blow up the argument that every Big Ten team plays better defense than the Big East teams?
by Stoosh on
Sep 21, 2007 9:30 AM EDT
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No no no
Oh, and on Purdue...#6 in total offense and #7 in scoring offense. Not too shabby. Oh, and Penn State shut them out last year.
by BSD on
Sep 20, 2007 9:04 PM EDT
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I'll even back it up
by WakeUp on Sep 20, 2007 5:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow
Remember, PSU and UW did just fine with all that "Southern speed" and creative playcalling the SEC threw at them. I see no reason why they'd be scared of a Big Least has-been.
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 20, 2007 6:27 PM EDT 0 recs
While I Understand..........
by ech2os on Sep 20, 2007 6:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Great News!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07263/819245-100.stm
There you go, play em all season, don't worry about the felonies. They don't count if you play ball for the judges team!
For my next call, I say the trial gets delayed again, until after the season is over so as not to bother the bowl game. Just wait and see....its just too predictable...
by WakeUp on Sep 20, 2007 7:07 PM EDT 0 recs
You
by MarkoMancuso on
Sep 20, 2007 7:31 PM EDT
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Maybe..........
by ech2os on
Sep 20, 2007 7:55 PM EDT
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Hey asshole
by Cpiritual27 on
Sep 20, 2007 8:34 PM EDT
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Whoa
by BSD on
Sep 20, 2007 8:58 PM EDT
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Sorry Mike
by Cpiritual27 on
Sep 20, 2007 10:54 PM EDT
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My point exactly
Insults make your "arguments" stronger...about what I expected.
And this is what we know about both cases: We had a kid in a street who may have been drunk and may have gotten in a skirmish with an off-duty cop. Nothing wrong with being there, maybe he did something wrong. Isn't practicing with team.
You had several kids in an apartment they weren't supposed to be in or allowed in and one of your players definitely sent a kid to the hospital in a fight. They may have also stolen/broken property. Definitely shouldn't have been there, at least one of them definitely did something wrong, maybe did something else wrong. At next practice, never missed a game.
Like i said, i just don't want Pitt applying harsher standards than other colleges - thats unfair to our student-athletes.
by WakeUp on
Sep 21, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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Only A Pitt Fan..........
Go Gators!! Allegheny That is :)
by ech2os on
Sep 21, 2007 11:49 AM EDT
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Go Gators?
Long live Loomis Street!
by Spats on
Sep 21, 2007 2:21 PM EDT
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LOL!!!!
by ech2os on
Sep 21, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
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What does more damage...
And ya know what, I apologized for the insult, but if you want to hold it against me that's your problem. I remember that you've thrown a few stones in here over the course of the four screen names you've used.
by Cpiritual27 on
Sep 21, 2007 5:49 PM EDT
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Too bad we'll never get to see the games played...
OSU plays D, but I didn't see that helping them much last year against Florida... It's college, you have to score to win.
And there are some teams that play defense in the big east. Rutgers was #6 in pass D last year and #4 in total D. USF was #25 in total D. Both were in the top 20 in scoring D. Notice Rutgers was their only loss.
Wisconsin was the only team in the top 25 last year in pass D from the big televen. I like LU's chances against any of the big televen - i think they outscore WI even with good D, Purdue may be the only team that has a shot, but even they are suspect right now. No one else has the combination of offense to hang around and pass D to keep em down. You have to realize they were #2/#4 in total and scoring offense last year. They just got out-gunned by one of the few teams that could do it. Maybe WVU or Hawaii has a shot too. But no one in the big televen. I'll take LU against ~110 of Div IA.
by WakeUp on Sep 20, 2007 7:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah...
UL is a joke, they gave up 42 points to MTSU. Everyone saw this loss coming. I'm sure as hell glad I predicted it on College Pick 'Em, just like I did with MSU over Pitt. Those were probably the two easiest picks I made.
by Cpiritual27 on
Sep 20, 2007 8:36 PM EDT
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Let's Not Forget..........
by ech2os on
Sep 20, 2007 8:50 PM EDT
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Let's Not Forget.......
Check out my takes over at
http://pennstateminutiae.blogspot.com/
by Phishead on Sep 20, 2007 10:05 PM EDT 0 recs
The same MTSU...
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Sep 21, 2007 11:06 AM EDT
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