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Whatever happened to PSU's Florida Pipeline?

The lions always used to snag at least one or two recruits out of the sunshine state.  With OJ McDuffie having huge pull in the South Florida area.....why isn't our recruiting coordinator (MMcQ)attempting to bring some sunshine state speed up to PA?  Also has anyone noticed that Maryland and Rutgers are signing a lot of highly touted recruits from Jersey, MD and Virginia that were not even on the PSU board?  What gives?

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Havent' You Heard.....
Only the scouting agencies who know nothing about football think Florida is loaded with 4 and 5 star athletes and speed.  Plus, we don't take just anyone.....oh that's right we are probably going to greyshirt two guys in this latest class.  Sarcasm off :)
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The grey shirt comment is a rash stereotype...
Is an unfair comment. Under the IDEA act many of these "grey" shirt athletes are entering college after having an IEP in K-12. Some of these kids are extremely intelligent, but have some form of disability, whether it is a reading disability, or other issues. The world we are living in is drastically changing from the world of the 60s-90s. Now most of these kids that used to get sent to the "resource" room when we were in school are being mainstreamed, and more and more are playing sports and according to the IDEA act are not allowed to be discriminated against when it comes time to enter college, more and more of these "non-traditional" students are entering the world of secondary education. I think it is a great move personally, and it gives these kids a chance to do something positive instead of being doomed to be garbage men.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Call...
I know this might not be the case for the many, BUT it does exist...fortunately some universities and some business & industry RECOGNIZE this fact to help these people out...

"now back to your regularly scheduled sports blogggg"

Old School... MEETS New School!

by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 29, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greyshirting......
is what it is.   Fact is, if you don't qualify, you don't qualify whether you are learning disabled or not.  If it turns out a recruit is greyshirting because they have a learning disability doesn't seem to me to be pertinent.  

Penn State fans seem to fire shots over the bow at other schools for signing people who don't "belong", but tend to look at their own signing of similarly situated recruits as something selfless and magnanimous.

Ideally, I would leave the Greyshirting to schools who do it well, like Auburn and Texas Tech.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Try telling that to a Federal Judge...
Like I stated above the days of rejecting a kid just because of his SAT scores, or issues with the clearinghouse are over. If Penn State refuses to admit these students (and I am talking on the school level) they will face a hefty discrimination lawsuit. Discrimination against an LD is the same as being racist towards someone in the eyes of the legal system.

I don't always jump the gun at other schools about this because you do not know the reasoning behind the greyshirt. There might be a pretty good reason behind it, that the kid cannot help.

I think not giving a kid with LD a chance is a terrible thing to do, and luckily so does the federal government.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 30, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Confused..........
you seem to know more about this than I do, so maybe you can help me understand.  I am saying that if you don't qualify, you don't qualify.  I think that is how it works.  There are programs in place to assist those with LD's (which I don't know if I do or don't agree with and I'll explain in a 2nd) to help those with LD's qualify.  Giving them longer periods of time to take standaridized tests, tutoring, etc.  And when they are recruited, they either have the numbers or they don't.  That is how I think it works.  

I would make the argument that theoretically, we all could point to something that has impacted our ability to learn that we had no control over.  For example, I come from a household where
my Mother and Father dropped out of school in 10th grade because my mother became pregnant with me.  I can remember my Dad learning his multiplication tables when he was in his 20s for tech school.  My parents didn't know what a GPA was or how to caculate it.  They didn't know the difference between a College and a University or a Private Liberal Arts College and a Public School.  Issue resolution in my house was "f this, I am going to the Legion".  Etc etc.  If you don't think those environmental variables severely impacted my ability to learn and or do everything I was capable of you would be mistaken.  I take pride in the fact that I have been able to move on and "break the cycle" so to speak.  My point is that everyone has a story, I don't know that its the Governments Job or my responsibility to spend the cycles attempting to ensure everyone's turns out perfect.

I think there are plenty of controls in place to assist those with LD's to succeed.  I don't think its a best practice or fair to insinuate that one is being greyshirted because they have a LD when most likely statistics would probably reveal its becasue the recruit just didn't do well in school for other reasons most likely unrelated to a LD.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have a fair chance, but this whole ADD, ADHD, so on and so forth phenomenon of the last 20 years introduces a built in out for a lot of people who really just don't understand what "you can" means because everyone has bought off on them saying "I can't".  

I don't mean to offend anyone.  This is a very interesting topic and as such tends to be touchy.

I don't know how Schiano and even Wannstadt are getting so many players out of Florida.  I know the obvious answer is they coached down there for years and built a network, but I don't think thats all there is to it.

I was visiting my family one Winter and was in teh Pittsburgh Airport and couldn't believe the parents that were on my plane flying back to Florida after a Pitt Game.  They all had their shirts on with the names of all the Florida players on the shirts and had some saying that was catchy.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 30, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay Let me Clarify this for you...
According to the IDEA act, which was groundbreaking federal legislation, It is illegal to simply push a person aside because they have a learning disability, these disabilities run the gammut from ADHD (which I agree can be a crutch for alot of children, but what about kids who had mothers on drugs when they were born and cannot concentrate with the slightest drop of a pin?) to severe issues like Dyslexia and other reading disabilities. Just saying "I overcame things that set me back" doesn't work anymore, in the past 20 years we have seen the generation of children born to the baby boomers, a group of people who have developed substance abuse issues, recreational drug use, and several other factors that have led to the rise of children with disabilities. I think it is fair to say you wern't born a crack baby, and I am pretty sure your parents despite their lack of education, had a pretty good work ethic. Alot of kids these days do not have that.

I am not saying every single greyshirt kid has these issues, but many do. These can severly affect the academic potential on the measurables that the NCAA Clearinghouse uses to determain freshman eligibility. Standardized test are the worst thing for a child with a disability, and many times they do not get the required accomodations when they take the SAT.

Personally I think it is great we are giving these type of kids a shot at the college process, if they do not make it so be it, but denying them any chance at all to be productive is discriminatory.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 30, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yepper
And every school in Florida, loaded up on those recruits is awesome.  They can't be beat and they won't be beat.  Yup, absolutely unstoppable.  

Except Miami...and Florida State, or Florida International, Florida Atlantic and Central Florida.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You Can.....
exaggerate all you want to try and make a point, but at the end of the day the schools from Florida that have traditionally been relevant (FSU, UF, Miami) have collectively finished in the top 5 36 times since 1980.  Only 5 times in those 27 years have one of the Florida schools not finished in the top 5 AP Final Poll.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Trying.....
to sound like a jerk by the way.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On The Other Hand.....
Penn State, Pitt, Michigan, and Ohio State combined have finished in the top 5 20 times since 1980.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was being a little sarcastic
Of course there are lots of good players in Florida.  I have no objection to bringing in players out of anywhere to try and win football games, provided they are decent human beings adn committed to the team.

But obviously there is more at work the success generated by Miami, Florida and Florida State success than simply "five star" recruits.  The names Howard Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Steve Spurrier and Bobby Bowden popped into my head pretty quickly.  How many of Florida's top 5 finishes came when Galen Hall, yes that Galen Hall, was their coach?  How about Ron Zook?

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure.
I hear ya.  I totally get the diamond in the rough stuff PSU has been pretty successful with.  I just wish they could get some guys that make a splash nationally.

I think you can win with the 2 and 3 star guys...I just think your margin of error is smaller when you are a half step slower or have your backups in against a team that has 4 star guys sitting on the bench.

The 80s and 90s were great for PSU.  But since 2000 only 1 top ten finish.  

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with recruiting debates
is that there is never an apples to apples comparison.  You can compare Paul Posluzny to Xavier Lee to Tony Hunt to Terrelle Pryor to Dan Kendra forever, and never make any headway.  There are no rules to recruiting, only lots and lots of exceptions.

I get your point, more four and five star recruits correlates to more success, no doubt.  But correlation is not necessarily causation, and other factors, mostly coaching, contribute.

In college football today most any asshole can go convince the most talented kid to go to your school, just ask Ron Zook.  Shit, you don't even have to find them anymore, just subscribe to Rivals for seven bucks a month then send your best used car salesman to go tell the kid he's going to start right away, and not to worry about school too much because he's a sure fire first round pick.  Then get your wins up, and move on for millions more at the next school, hello Rich Rodriguez.

But, I still trust the old man to look at a kids like Posluzny, Connor, Hunt, Robinson and Lee and say "that's a football player" and I don't think he guessing when he does it either, I think he knows intuitively who can play and who can't.  But when your coach is 80, there is no preventing being a little backward.  JoePa likes people he knows, and so he stays close to home, and deals with people he trusts.  It ain't perfect, but it's what we got.  Let's see how this season goes before we condemn him completely though.  

Not to make excuses, but it's tough when the competition will say anything to a 17 year old kid to get them to come to their school, and your not willing to do the same things.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our backyard
I agree that you can not look at the number of stars a recruiting service gives and say a kid is going to be a great player....a lot of it is hype (Poz was only a 3 star player while Morelli was five stars).  However, Penn State like USC, LSU, Floria etc. needs to court the best players in the country....not just the best players in the Northeast.  They used to recruit more in the south....but that trend seems to have gone by the wayside.   That said....State needs to secure the backyard.  Schiano is signing players that used to sign with PSU.   Maryland has also signed players this year that PSU should have signed and may end up signing Kenny Tate.  If PSU can get to to sign....this will be a decent recruiting year, but not great.  Too much talent is escaping to the likes of Pitt, Rutgers Maryland etc.

BTW....if your are going to include 1994 with the National Champion seasons...1968 and 1969 should also be included.  I mean who decided to let Nixon pick the National Champion anyway?

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Jan 29, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT...
TAG LINE...unfortunately, that one hurts...and it shouldn't...!
Old School... MEETS New School!

by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 29, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Florida Recruiting
Why doesn't PS recruit Florida players? Joe does not want to recruit Pennsylvania players, why would he recruit Florida players? He rarely makes visits anymore to see top prospects. He should have made better efforts  to land Walker, D.J. Woods, Tate, and Alexander. Nothing like having a part time coach. I cannot wait for his replacement in a year or two or three - whenever it will be.

by golfer1 on Feb 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but.....
Old people are supposed to love Florida!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Feb 4, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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