Whatever happened to PSU's Florida Pipeline?
The lions always used to snag at least one or two recruits out of the sunshine state. With OJ McDuffie having huge pull in the South Florida area.....why isn't our recruiting coordinator (MMcQ)attempting to bring some sunshine state speed up to PA? Also has anyone noticed that Maryland and Rutgers are signing a lot of highly touted recruits from Jersey, MD and Virginia that were not even on the PSU board? What gives?
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Havent' You Heard.....
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The grey shirt comment is a rash stereotype...
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Call...
"now back to your regularly scheduled sports blogggg"
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 29, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greyshirting......
Penn State fans seem to fire shots over the bow at other schools for signing people who don't "belong", but tend to look at their own signing of similarly situated recruits as something selfless and magnanimous.
Ideally, I would leave the Greyshirting to schools who do it well, like Auburn and Texas Tech.
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try telling that to a Federal Judge...
I don't always jump the gun at other schools about this because you do not know the reasoning behind the greyshirt. There might be a pretty good reason behind it, that the kid cannot help.
I think not giving a kid with LD a chance is a terrible thing to do, and luckily so does the federal government.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 30, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Confused..........
I would make the argument that theoretically, we all could point to something that has impacted our ability to learn that we had no control over. For example, I come from a household where
my Mother and Father dropped out of school in 10th grade because my mother became pregnant with me. I can remember my Dad learning his multiplication tables when he was in his 20s for tech school. My parents didn't know what a GPA was or how to caculate it. They didn't know the difference between a College and a University or a Private Liberal Arts College and a Public School. Issue resolution in my house was "f this, I am going to the Legion". Etc etc. If you don't think those environmental variables severely impacted my ability to learn and or do everything I was capable of you would be mistaken. I take pride in the fact that I have been able to move on and "break the cycle" so to speak. My point is that everyone has a story, I don't know that its the Governments Job or my responsibility to spend the cycles attempting to ensure everyone's turns out perfect.
I think there are plenty of controls in place to assist those with LD's to succeed. I don't think its a best practice or fair to insinuate that one is being greyshirted because they have a LD when most likely statistics would probably reveal its becasue the recruit just didn't do well in school for other reasons most likely unrelated to a LD.
I'm not saying people shouldn't have a fair chance, but this whole ADD, ADHD, so on and so forth phenomenon of the last 20 years introduces a built in out for a lot of people who really just don't understand what "you can" means because everyone has bought off on them saying "I can't".
I don't mean to offend anyone. This is a very interesting topic and as such tends to be touchy.
I don't know how Schiano and even Wannstadt are getting so many players out of Florida. I know the obvious answer is they coached down there for years and built a network, but I don't think thats all there is to it.
I was visiting my family one Winter and was in teh Pittsburgh Airport and couldn't believe the parents that were on my plane flying back to Florida after a Pitt Game. They all had their shirts on with the names of all the Florida players on the shirts and had some saying that was catchy.
by ech2os on Jan 30, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Let me Clarify this for you...
I am not saying every single greyshirt kid has these issues, but many do. These can severly affect the academic potential on the measurables that the NCAA Clearinghouse uses to determain freshman eligibility. Standardized test are the worst thing for a child with a disability, and many times they do not get the required accomodations when they take the SAT.
Personally I think it is great we are giving these type of kids a shot at the college process, if they do not make it so be it, but denying them any chance at all to be productive is discriminatory.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 30, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yepper
Except Miami...and Florida State, or Florida International, Florida Atlantic and Central Florida.
by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You Can.....
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Trying.....
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On The Other Hand.....
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was being a little sarcastic
But obviously there is more at work the success generated by Miami, Florida and Florida State success than simply "five star" recruits. The names Howard Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Steve Spurrier and Bobby Bowden popped into my head pretty quickly. How many of Florida's top 5 finishes came when Galen Hall, yes that Galen Hall, was their coach? How about Ron Zook?
by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
I think you can win with the 2 and 3 star guys...I just think your margin of error is smaller when you are a half step slower or have your backups in against a team that has 4 star guys sitting on the bench.
The 80s and 90s were great for PSU. But since 2000 only 1 top ten finish.
by ech2os on Jan 29, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with recruiting debates
I get your point, more four and five star recruits correlates to more success, no doubt. But correlation is not necessarily causation, and other factors, mostly coaching, contribute.
In college football today most any asshole can go convince the most talented kid to go to your school, just ask Ron Zook. Shit, you don't even have to find them anymore, just subscribe to Rivals for seven bucks a month then send your best used car salesman to go tell the kid he's going to start right away, and not to worry about school too much because he's a sure fire first round pick. Then get your wins up, and move on for millions more at the next school, hello Rich Rodriguez.
But, I still trust the old man to look at a kids like Posluzny, Connor, Hunt, Robinson and Lee and say "that's a football player" and I don't think he guessing when he does it either, I think he knows intuitively who can play and who can't. But when your coach is 80, there is no preventing being a little backward. JoePa likes people he knows, and so he stays close to home, and deals with people he trusts. It ain't perfect, but it's what we got. Let's see how this season goes before we condemn him completely though.
Not to make excuses, but it's tough when the competition will say anything to a 17 year old kid to get them to come to their school, and your not willing to do the same things.
by jesse. on Jan 29, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our backyard
BTW....if your are going to include 1994 with the National Champion seasons...1968 and 1969 should also be included. I mean who decided to let Nixon pick the National Champion anyway?
by pic15 on Jan 29, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT...
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 29, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Florida Recruiting
by golfer1 on Feb 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but.....
by pic15 on Feb 4, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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