Savage Days
Urine balloon references from Ohio State '05 aside, a trend has clearly been established when it comes to complaints from visiting Big Ten fans:
"In our tailgate area, most of the PSU fans we met were nice and thanked us for coming out. When we trekked up to the stadium is when it turned ugly. PSU fans spit on my friend's mom and cursed us left and right. I was really terrified walking through the mobs. I am appalled that PSU fans treated us this way. When I went to the game at State College two years ago, people were friendly. This last game left a bad taste in my mouth and I will not be returning."
Let's be clear about something, Penn State fans. It's YOUR responsibility to stick up for fans of other schools when they're in Happy Valley. Grow a set of balls and do something about it. If you see something bad happening, it's your responsibility to publically shame the offenders into retreat. Don't get sucked into the bystander effect. Like it or not, visiting fans need to be treated with even more respect than your fellow Penn State fans.
In other words, please don't ruin Penn State's newfound reputation for having an overpowering home-field advantage by being assholes. It doesn't matter if these are isolated incidents. No excuse at all. While you personally can't be everywhere, you collectively certainly can.
(Seriously. Please stop this.)
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Sad, indeed
What’s also sad is that the majority of these incidents seem to happen during night games… and night games don’t appear to be going anywhere.
I know big games get people fired up, but come on! What possible reason was there to antagonize the small number of Illinois fans who showed up this past weekend??? Man! Some people really need to get a grip on things.
by BSM PSU 93 on Oct 1, 2008 3:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Agree - but...
I was near the Illinois section and I saw several Illinois fans – I did not personally see any Illinois fans being mistreated in anyway either before or after the game. (Although I did think it was a little classless that everyone yelled boo when it got to the Illinois section of the wave.)
by dontcallmescooter on Oct 1, 2008 3:36 PM EDT 0 recs
The booing...
has been done for every game I’ve been to. I don’t think it’s classless (it’s not like we’re insulting their mothers)- perhaps slightly childish, but then again, we are watching 20 year olds play a game.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Oct 2, 2008 2:19 AM EDT
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Also
it seems the booing often comes when the visitors section doesn’t participate in the wave, though I guess it does carry over even when they do participate
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 2, 2008 8:38 AM EDT
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Bring it, RUTS
Way to use this for some positive messaging. Granted, we could all pick the scenario apart (“I saw nothing of the sort”, “where’s this from?”, etc.), but none of that is at all the point. Reach out with a ‘welcome’ or a ‘good luck’ and by all means, man up if anything remotely like this scene comes across your path.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on Oct 1, 2008 3:41 PM EDT 0 recs
I agree 100%
even though the Illinois fans did deface the Joe Paterno statue a couple years ago (basketball season), we should not treat them with disrespect.
PSU is getting a lot of great positive press over the last 5 weeks because of our on the field brilliance, let’s keep the momentum going as we enjoy this special season.
Remember, it takes a bigger man to show respect than it does to show distain or disgace someone.
Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09
by Nick7 on Oct 1, 2008 3:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Respect for Others
There are ways to show passion for your team and being disrespectful in such a manner as described above, is not one of them. As someone who travels to other venues for Eagles games, I make sure to go out of my way to sort of police unruly activity against opposing fans when attending home games, not only because I expect the same in return but b/c it’s just plain rude and inconsiderate.
You can’t taunt others and have some fun with them, it’s part of the fun in being a fan, but please do so in a respectful manner.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 1, 2008 3:54 PM EDT 0 recs
I wonder...
Back in the day (before 9/11) there used to be about 20-30 gates into the stadium. Now there are what 6?
Everybody was nice at the tailgate, right? Inside the stadium, especially if you in you own section, you are generally okay, (anybody who wears non-PSU colors in the student section is asking, literally begging, for trouble) right?
I suspect the biggest trouble spot is going into the game, where it a total mob scene, and a huge frustrating bottle neck. You have the annonmity of a huge crowd, and it is at this point where everybody is the drunkest and most fired up, it’s a recipe for trouble.
My advice, would be have fun at your tailgate, and either get to your seat early, or try to get there a little bit after kick off to avoid the mob. Don’t sit in the student section. Avoid the South end zone (and fraternity parties) before the game, because that is where the most unrully people are going to be.
Should you have to do this? No. But an ounce of prevention adn some common sense can be a better solution to a problem than a letter to the editor.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Oct 1, 2008 4:04 PM EDT 0 recs
I would agree that the big problems...
…occur right around the stadium. Over 100,000 people, all dressed in similar colors, and very little police presence. It’s practically an invitation for anonymous shittiness.
And in that vein, this problem falls in the lap of the actual University, too. Not just the fans.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 1, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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What's interesting about this, I think
Is that downtown is a total police state after night games. I remember after Nebraska all of Beaver Ave was practically lined with cops, I must have seen dozens of horse cops and they even had 4-man patrols walking up and down the cross streets. Both OSU games were the same story. I am curious why it’s so empty up at the stadium.
Now I’m not necessarily advocating it (if people can’t drink and prevent themselves from spitting on fans they can…well you know), but it’s something to note. I hate for it to come to this, I think the University has done a terrible job of effectively using authority in the past, but moms getting assaulted is the definition of the word "unacceptable".
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Oct 1, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Absolutely
At Paternoville there’d be a few Illinois fans here and there walking by. And everyone would yell “boo” blah blah. And occasionally there’d be a few “Asshole” chants. I don’t mind the “asshole” chants, but ONLY if they are directed to what looks like fellow college kids because they can take it on the chin much better (and probably think it’s funny). But I have absolutely have no tolerance for people who shouted “asshole” at the 50-60 year-old Illinois couple walking by. That, to me, is just a complete lack of respect.
by GreatScawt on
Oct 1, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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If you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque
And wind up in the South End Zone before a game; you’re screwed no matter what team you’re rooting for. They have 25,000 people lined up to get in one gate, and another 30 -40 thousand trying to get around it. It is a crowd control nightmare. We do our friends at other schools a disservice by not warning them to avoid that area.
My guess is if you had seats in the Illinois section, and tailgated on the North Side of the Stadium, you didn’t have any trouble at all.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Oct 1, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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O'Douls at your tailgate
I think the University has done a terrible job of effectively using authority in the past
But I fear that if the university does step in, it will do away with booze at tailgates. Not only would that alleviate 99% of drunken-idiot-related issues, but it would also create revenue for the bars downtown because people would spend their time drinking in the bars before the games.
BTW, I love beer, and would HATE it if the university made tailgating lots dry.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 1, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Buggy, you love beer?
Hey, me, too! Such a coincidence!
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 1, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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No way...I like football, too!
You?
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 1, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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Yeah!
I can’t believe it; these internets are soo cool.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 1, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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They won't do that because of the revenue loss
If they banned alcohol at tailgates, a whole lot of people would no longer pay money for the premium reserved spaces. The prime reason for having such a space is to throw a tailgate every week where all of your friends, including ones you haven’t seen in a while, know where to go. Take away the raison d’etre for tailgating, and a lot of people (including myself), say screw it, I’m just going to donate at the minimum level to get my tickets, not the parking spot.
by PSU Mudder on
Oct 1, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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Hey
This fictional mom you speak of sounds hot…for an Illinois chick.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Oct 1, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
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Agreed...
We should all be respectful to human beings.
The fact that visiting fans have travelled to a football game means we have more in common with them than 99% of the other people on planet…the fact that they cheer for an orange team vs. a team in white and blue is actually irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
BUT…
If you do travel to a road game, get a clue…not all 110,000 people will pat you on the back and say “have a nice time”. There are assholes everywhere.
If you can’t stomach someone booing you, or swearing at you, don’t go to a road game. Or do, but go incognito.
I’m not saying its right, I’m just saying its the way it is.
These people that go in full blown visiting team colors and then fire off a letter to the editor crack me up. What did they expect?
Have they not witnessed how visiting fans are treated by an unfortunate few at their own home stadium? Is this their first road game?
I’ve had tortilla chips thrown at me in Columbus, hundreds chanting ‘asshole’ in Madison, and insults towards my mother in Ann Arbor (she wasn’t actually there, just a pure lack of creativity on the Wolverines’ part).
Its all part of the deal…its why beating a team on the road is so sweet as fan (not that we Penn State fans know a whole lot about that).
by NittanyBadger on
Oct 1, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Swing and a miss, my friend
If you can’t stomach someone booing you, or swearing at you, don’t go to a road game. Or do, but go incognito. I’m not saying its right, I’m just saying its the way it is.
That isn’t what we’re talking about, though. Not even close. And to be honest, whatever “part of the deal” is at other stadiums doesn’t justify it there, and especially not at Penn State.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 1, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Just to play devil's advocate (my favorite game besides football)
So we’ve established with the off-field issues that it is not fair to hold PSU players to higher standards than the rest of the population….but we should hold PSU fans to a higher standard?
I’m not saying…I’m just saying.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Agreed
It’s the spitting and throwing of beer, etc. That is unacceptable. Beer muscles goes a long way for some people, especially when they’re in their house 100,000 of their friends.
by Screen Name 20 on
Oct 2, 2008 7:54 AM EDT
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A more detailed opinion
Booing and taunting in good fun? Wonderful. Expected, even.
There is no reason — absolutely no reason — for any sort of physical interaction. No shoulder blocks, no spitting, no punching, nothing. Nothing.
A lot of younger (and really, I’m 33, I’m not that old!) fans may not realize this because they’ve only been experienced Successful Penn State Football since 2005, but Penn State fans have ALWAYS been universally loved by visiting fans, merchants at bowl games (we’re notoriously huge tippers, for example), and even when we’re the visiting fans at another stadium. There are decades of goodwill built up by the people who have attended and supported Penn State football.
The problem is, it takes only a few short years to tear that reputation down. That whole “success with honor” thing? It may be a bit of a running joke, but there’s a reason that the marketing people can get away with it as a tagline. It used to be very, very true.
by Run Up The Score on Oct 1, 2008 4:08 PM EDT 0 recs
And I can't believe...
…I even had to write the words, “There is no reason — absolutely no reason — for any sort of physical interaction. No shoulder blocks, no spitting, no punching, nothing. Nothing.”
Very sad.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 1, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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But you did, and you're correct.
Example: at halftime Saturday, I was in a crush of people on the upper concourse inching toward the men’s room, and an Illinois kid about 13 was trying to squeeze against the traffic. A couple large boneheads (about 20 years old, and plastered) just ahead of me decided to block his progress, saying things like “Block him”, “Where ya think YOU’RE going”, and equally inane crap. His eyes started to get kinda big.
I watched for about 10 seconds, reached out and grabbed the kid’s hand, pulled him toward me and eased him past, and told him he was fine, those guys were jerks, and to enjoy the game. I yelled to the folks jammed behind me “Help this guy through!”, and somehow a crease opened and he slipped away. I assume he was fine thereafter.
I then said to the schmucks that blocked him “Thanks, guys. Way to make us all look like jerks”. Amazingly, they didn’t say a word back, and actually looked a little ashamed. As they should be.
Just pissed me off.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on
Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
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Shame
It’s a lost art as deterrent these days. Way to bring it back and put it to good use; it sounds like those dorks got the picture. Nice work!
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 2, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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Public humiliation and shame
really are some of the greatest (and least used) deterrants.
Nice job, Pete the Streak, on helping that Illinois kid. Hopefully more people will follow your example. Viva la Golden Rule!!
by NJ lion on
Oct 2, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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Decades of Goodwill
My grandparents used to go to the bowl game every year (like a bunch of them—69 Orange Bowl was their first), and he would always rave about how nice people were to Penn State fans. I’ve got an 87 Fiesta Bowl pennant still hanging in the room at my mom’s and every time I see it, I think of Nana & Pa traveling around to all those stadiums and how cool that musta been.
Decades of Goodwill. That’s a good line, and so true how fast it could come tumbling down.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 1, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Whatever happened to
If you don’t have something nice to say, just don’t say anything? No one is asking you to be best friends w/ fans from opposing teams, just treat them with the respect you would want on a road trip. I can’t imagine anyone saying, “yea, I went to tOSU, got spit on and it was the coolest thing, man!” Grow up, people!
by PSU Jen on Oct 1, 2008 4:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Never Again.
I think it goes well beyond isolated incidents. I could not believe my ears and eyes last season as the entire PSU student section cursed, booed and turned their backs on the Notre Dame band. In addition to the widespread treatment, fellow Domers attending from Johnstown, Pennsylvania were absolutely horrified and embarrassed at the treatment they received at last year’s game. They were dismayed at the treatment they and their guest received. So much for enjoying the pageantry of what college football has to offer.
Quite frankly when I watched from afar I used to respect and hold Penn State and their fans as an example for college football programs. Sadly, however, after attending a game in person at Beaver Stadium and seeing the ugliness up close, I will never return. Nor would I recommend any other visiting fans to visit.
Unfortunately my illusions of the “Penn State experience” were shattered.
Good luck to your Nittany Lions, but better luck to those programs that show the same level of respect that they desire for themselves.
Go Irish!
by DomerMike on Oct 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT 0 recs
I caught that, as well
EDSBS did a piece on this. How freakin sad it must be to be an Irish student.
PSU fans, let’s keep it loud and classy!
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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I’ve heard more complaints from ND folk than any other school that came here in the last 5 years. As far as the band goes- and this goes back to an earlier thread- the back turning (and other things) is probably just stemming from the fact that its not a band competition, nor is the student section usually interested in the pageantry of opposing bands. It’s like sending your mascot to midfield before a game and wondering why he gets booed.
All in all, I’m sorry that your experience was negative. But I know that PSU football games aren’t a descent into hell- I heard a lot of good things from Oregon St. fans most recently, and other schools in the past. So please, consider that we’re aren’t all heartless jerks before you condemn millions of us for the actions of a few.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Oct 2, 2008 2:31 AM EDT
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Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Let me ask this question. What would your reaction be if the Beijing crowd booed and turned it’s back on the National Anthem while Michael Phelps or any other U.S. athlete received their recent Olympic medals? I suspect your response may be a bit different.
My point was that the “back turning” and such were characteristic of our entire experience that weekend. It was not a single isolated incident that ruined our visit, rather it was a non-stop session of abuse and insults. Perhaps it was our fault for being so naïve – after all, we were warned by other Penn State fans (in their 60s) that we should expect to be spat upon. However, as veterans of many other college games, as well as attending NFL games in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Indianapolis – we have never been subject to an endless malfeasance as we were in State College, Pennsylvania.
While I appreciate the invitation, I will never return to Central Pennsylvania for a game. (I suspect ESPN will have similar thoughts after their most recent Game Day experience in State College.)
Go Irish!
by DomerMike on
Oct 2, 2008 7:06 AM EDT
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Get over yourself
I don’t want you back anyway. And the stadium will still sell out without you.
Look, I’m never in favor of kids getting spit on, swearing at women, dumping anything on anyone. That’s idiotic behavior. This is a game. We don’t need to assault other people over it. But a student section turning its back on an opposing band and booing just isn’t a big deal. It was a night game that was hyped allllll week. It was a game that was circled on the schedule because of the previous year’s humiliation. The students did not forget that. They aren’t going to sit down in their section, sipping on some hot tea to stave off the cold, and say “well, old chap, I do hope our boys give them a good thrashing.”
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by 06Lion on
Oct 2, 2008 7:17 AM EDT
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It was much more than the band.....
If you would like me to go into all the gory details of our treatment I will be more than happy to do so. My point, thus far missed on you, is that the treatment of the band was symbolic of the entire day. If, however, you think that that lack of sportsmanship example is “no big deal” than you are obviously part of the problem.
Putting the band aside, we were spat upon; had pennies thrown at us; had middle aged “fans” refuse to stand to allow us to pass to our seats; we had what I hoped was beer tossed at us; and a vendor who refused to sell us a program. All of this was in addition to all the verbal abuse. What was most disturbing was the fact that there were children of the PSU faithful that were witnesses to all this behavior. What a fine example that was, no doubt.
So, pardon me if I can’t “get over myself”. Believe me, I turned the other cheek only to be slapped again.
Sorry if I appear haughty, but my illusion of the Penn State fan was destroyed last season.
Go Irish!
by DomerMike on
Oct 2, 2008 7:43 AM EDT
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PS @ ND '06
Granted I was wearing facepaint and full colors, but I wasn’t treated like a princess on my trip to South Bend. While tailgating the ND fans were all actually really cool, and I thought pretty highly of them, but as I approached the stadium (I think I was walking past the student section, because they all had thos spirit shirts on) I had people booing me and throwing trash and drinks at me, and I had 2 guys run by me while one “patted” me hard on the back and the other flipped my hat off. Of course, I’m sure not a single young Irish fan was there to witness those examples, so it must be fine.
As for middle aged fans refusing to stand to let you by, but welcome to middle aged fans at every stadium. They weren’t treating you special, either. That’s just how entitled donors act at every venue. They won’t even stand for fans of the same team.
Pennies I can’t really excuse…those could actually do damage, and I’ve never had anything really potentially dangerous thrown at me, but I’ve definitely had drinks (I hope they weren’t piss, as well) thrown at me.
I chalked it up to being a visiting fan and wearing an obnoxious amount of PSU gear (I wasn’t acting obnoxious, however). No harm, no foul. now if someone had actually harmed me, or damaged my belongings, or stolen my property, that would be different.
Perhaps my incident was the only one that happened to PSU fans @ ND, but for me, 100% of the time I’ve gone to a game at ND I’ve had this treatment. So yes, you do appear haughty, but I’ve come to expect that from Notre Dame fans in all aspects of life.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 2, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
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People in glass houses...
I agree about the PSU @ Notre Dame game in ’06. I was there too and to be honest I was surprised at some of the treatment Penn State fans received at the hands of the “Holier than thou” ND fans.
I was just a guy in a Penn State jersey and hat and had insults thrown at me all day. Not so bad, that stuff happens, whatever. But the things that were said to some of the girls I traveled with were really vulgar and disgusting.
Where have you gone Mike Fetters?
by NewJackCity on
Oct 2, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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PSU-ND
I think we’d all do well actually not to ignore what DomerMike has said. Regardless whether this same sort of stuff happens to PSU fans at other venues, that does NOT entitle us to act like jerks. I was embarrassed to be in the PSU student section while the Fighting Irish band was performing on the field that day in Beaver Stadium, as such a large number of students turned their back on the Irish band, flipped them off, chanted “f*** Notre Dame” or “f*** the Irish,” and in general acted like a bunch of rude, crude, classless jerks. There is absolutely NO reason for any of that to happen. Ever. Period. I’m not saying we only have to laud praise on visiting bands or fans or teams, but please, let’s treat everyone at the very least with the common decency and respect that is due to any fellow human being. If you see a visiting fan at your tailgate or in or around the stadium, just say to them, “Welcome to State College, I hope you enjoy your visit here” or something like that. Is that really that hard?
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on
Oct 2, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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thats because
you have a holier than thou approach to everything you do, and frankly we (and if other dont share my opinion, I) think you’re all assholes. so much for the elephant in the room and i apologize to the people trying to be PC, but thats not my style.
For the glory
by lionalum05 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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Um...
You’re comparing the national anthem for a country- that our ancestors have fought and died for- to a football game between two colleges. Perspective is key here and, despite your rather erudite sentence structure, you seem to be lacking.
And do you really think Gameday won’t come back? Seriously? I mean, at this point, they haven’t been back because we aren’t a part of the SEC, and haven’t played a big game yet this year (Illinois was big, but not Alabama-Georgia big). If they thought less of us, they’d probably stop putting us in the top-5 student sections in the country. Call it a hunch.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Oct 2, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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Oh yeah...
I’ve heard that Johnstown, PA has a reputation for being a home to hundreds of Notre Dame alumni. Something like 80% of Notre Dame students graduate and move straight to Johnstown.
Personally, I absolutely love Notre Dame football, NY Yankees baseball, the Dallas Cowboys, and the LA Lakers. I’m a true fan of all these teams!! Rah, rah, rah!
People.
by BSM PSU 93 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
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BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA
Celtics in the first six-game sweep in Finals History
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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No Excuse
You not only make yourself look like a complete clown when you taunt, curse or otherwise abuse fans of other teams, you make your school look bad.
It’s pure idiocy and something I would expect at a pro football game (where do these people get the money for tickets?), but not at a college game.
I know two guys who got a big glass of STFU during the Ohio State game last year. My buddy and I were in the Gulf War together and he stupidly wore his Ohio State garb to the game. I asked him not to, but he insisted.
Anyway, these two older guys started giving him some guff while we were standing in the restroom line. Not nice guff either.
I let it pass and then we get back to our seats and they started in on him again.
I was a bit fueled up by drinking beer/whiskey all day and also upset because Penn State was getting an asswhupping, but I was not going to listen to their nonsense the rest of the game and I let them have it.
Not exactly sure what it is I said but it was R-rated and I didn’t hear a peep out of them the rest of the game, so it was effective.
I’m as big of a Penn State fan as there is, but I can’t figure out how acting like a juvenile delinquent in the stands, helps your team.
by CDRS on Oct 1, 2008 4:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Look
The Student Section is a cespool. Everybody’s student section is a cespool. No, it wasn’t any better when you were in school. No, it isn’t any better at your school. Student Sections are full of drunk college kids, and ours is enoumous.
If you are not a Penn State student, you do not belong in the Penn State Student Section. That goes for everybody, not just visiting team fans. Frankly, the reason they have student sections is so they can act like assholes and not bother everybody else. I have no pity for anybody who buys a ticket in the student section, caveat emptor my friend.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Oct 1, 2008 4:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Opposing Teams
Pittsburgh is the confluence of college football. It isn’t exactly huge around here, but the shear amount of people with varying loyalties make being a college sports fan in this town fun.
I’ve got at least a dozen friends each who are OSU, PITT, or WVU fans, and 6 or so of Michigan. The banter and good natured ribbing is great, and I don’t understand why people go beyond that and become violent or cruel.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Oct 1, 2008 5:00 PM EDT 0 recs
theres no reason
we should mimmic the asshats at ohio state or wisconsin. we’re better than that, and shouldn’t need to act like them to show that we support our team
For the glory
by lionalum05 on Oct 1, 2008 5:03 PM EDT 0 recs
model fans
If Penn State no longer has quality fans, then who does? Who is known for having good fans who never get into incidents? I really am curious.
"Boy that student section now is up and really making a gigantic amount of noise. You see the sea of white, the white out. Well they are 2 minutes and 28 seconds away from the whiteout of the Buckeyes here tonight." - Ron Franklin
by rmcmillen50 on Oct 1, 2008 5:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Probably
the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns of the world. But that may because visiting fans often outnumber them in their own stadiums.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Oct 1, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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Nebraska
Big Red is known for being notoriously nice to its opponents fans. I have a friend who is a Nebraska grad and he says that is just their culture. I’m all for a little kind taunting (is that possible?) of the other fans, but it wouldn’t hurt PSU fans to practice a little of the Golden Rule.
by NJ lion on
Oct 1, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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Also, Tennessee fans are very nice
Or at least they were at the 2007(?) Outback Bowl.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 1, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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If by "hot" you mean "old"
Then yes, they were “hot”
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 2, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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Oh.....I don't know about that.....
The ones sitting around us were getting really pissed off about the whole “We Are…..Penn State” chant. Personallly I think they were just pissed off because they expected to kill us! Rocky top is one fo the most annoying songs ever and as someone who lives in south and sees a good bit of southern football …..Tennessee chicas are middle of the road for the SEC.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on
Oct 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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This is an area where Guido can do some good.
Part of the branding of “The Greatest Show in College Football” is that we have the most gracious fans (or at least used to).
That’s something that has to be cultivated and maintained every year, you can’t just hope it will happen, especially when you add 5000 new fans who are 18 years old to the base every year.
It can’t be done in a ham-handed way, either. Announcements from the PA and other general admonishments aren’t going to work. You have to go guerilla — facebook, flyers in the dorms, things like that. And don’t neglect the old farts, either — they need reminders too. If people remember that its a disctinct part of our identitiy, the one that makes PSU different from everyone else, they make good behavior and policing others an act of pride.
That’s the way PSU should respond, rather than tightening down rules, going more police-state etc.
by PSU Mudder on Oct 1, 2008 5:26 PM EDT 0 recs
Absolutely correct!
This is where Guido can actually do something positive. There are million dollar video boards all over the stadium. USE THEM FOR GOOD.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 2, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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OSU Game in 07
The worst I’ve seen while waiting in line to get into the Student Section was last year before the Ohio State game. There was a man about 60 who ran into where we all were and started taunting the Penn State students. If you ask me, he was definitely asking for trouble. We, of course booed him and chanted at him. That was all good considering he was dancing around yelling at us.
But then people started throwing bottles. Not only empty plastic bottles, but full plastic bottles. And full glass bottles. I was ashamed of the behavior of my fellow students, but fortunately, he dodged them all. Someone ran up behind him and was just about to dump his soda all over the guy, but someone from the senior section stepped in, grabbed the soda, and just told him to get back in line. I don’t know who he was, but we need more of him. I fully agree that we need more people with class who won’t take things further than taunting.
by Ncfootball on Oct 1, 2008 6:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Night Games = More drinking
Illinois 2008, Notre Dame 2007, Ohio State 2007. What do they all have in common aside from complaints about crowd behavior? They were all night games.
I’ll be honest, there was never a game I attended where I was certifiably inebriated except for the PSU-Miami game in 2001. I was so used to drinking and tailgating at 8am that I didn’t think of the consequences of a game start that was 8 hours later than I was used to. I would bet that many students would say something similar about their night game experience. The behavior of the students was not great, but it wasn’t helped by the Miami fans who wandered in the student section looking for fights.
I think when you build an exciting atmosphere and add a little alcohol, you create some trouble due to the empowerment of the crowd and the anonymity of being one in a sea of people. People celebrate us for having a “European Soccer-like Experience”… well guess what? Not every soccer stadium in Europe is a walk in the park for visiting fans, nor is the behavior of home fans always proper. In fact the stories of some home soccer crowds in Europe are disgusting. It’s common practice in some places to chant “Bin Laden, Bin Laden” when an American soccer player has the ball. Black players are often mocked with monkey noises. A lot of that is cultural stuff that would never happen here, but we need to make sure a line is drawn well before then. Remember Rutgers-Navy last year? That was over the line.
Maybe we just need to dial it down a bit.
by Cairo on
Oct 1, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Sad state of affairs
I’m sorry an event like that happened, but its unfair for them to paint all of the Penn State fans in attendance with the same brush. I personally supported the Illinois fans with nice comments, even when my drunk female friend insisted on being mean to them.
It happens, but shouldn’t happen. I get a little pissed off when visitors say “this experience left a bad taste in my mouth” or “I won’t tell anyone to go there”. By saying things like that, you are pretty much saying it will always be a terrible environment, which we all know is not true. Give those of us a break who actually show respect.
I would bet there isn’t a big time program in the country who hasn’t had some bad incidents over the years, and that includes the holier than thou Notre Dame and others. Someone above said, if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. I would think the same applies for someone giving their (unfortunate) biased account of the Penn State Experience.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
by OMEGAMAN on Oct 1, 2008 6:22 PM EDT 0 recs
There was a thread in TOS About This
A lot of people called BS on this. I did notice there were some police near an Illini tailgate, although I don’t know if something had actually happened involving that tailgate.
Also while I was talking to some Illinois fans I met some student walked past and started heckling them. Then he tripped and almost fell face first on the grass, so we got a good chuckle out of that.
by PizzaDelivery on Oct 1, 2008 6:23 PM EDT 0 recs
I sure hope...
That these kind of reports are the exception and not the norm.
I will be making my first ever trip to Beaver Stadium when Michigan comes to town on October 18th. I have been to campus once before (last December) but have never been for a football game. I am really excited to see what has been described by many to be one of the better atmospheres in college football, and I sure hope it’s not ruined by some clowns who think that you have to create “atmosphere” by being an a$$ to opposing fans.
I fully expect some verbal “this and that” (you know, the always creative and hilarious buckeye-esque bastardizations of our name, etc) but here’s where I draw the line: opposing fans are entitled to support their own team, and if they don’t invite problems, they shouldn’t have any, period. I don’t care what team you root for. Some of the best fans I have ever encountered are the Penn State fans that have made the trips out to Ann Arbor. Personally I love to discuss the game and goings on and traditions etc with those around me, regardless of what colors they happen to be wearing.
Now listen, I understand that a few #$!@ can be found in any fanbase, but the physical crap and over the top verbal assaults are hallmarks of Columbus and should be avoided at all costs.
Go Blue!
by ThoseWhoStay on Oct 1, 2008 6:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Hey Domer
Ahhh forget it, I was going to get on you a bit, but considering the topic of the conversation I would like to extend a warm invitation to my tailgate and to be seated next to me at any Penn State homegame of your choosing. I will even record the ND band (since we dont play them in the forseeable future)so you can watch in on a handheld at halftime, I will even smile and sing the songs with you.
by pmm156 on Oct 1, 2008 6:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Illinois fans
I agree with the poor treatment of fans. I was at a tailgate where my fellow PSU fans stole an Illinois fan’s hat and threw it in the dumpster. I offered to get his hat for him, but I fear the damage was done. I can only imagine how fans from other schools will treat our fans.
by PSUhomer on Oct 1, 2008 7:26 PM EDT 0 recs
To ThoseWhoStay
I sure hope you will enjoy your first trip to State College. I actually went to Ann Arbor last season for the first time to watch #10 Penn State against Michigan and I had a blast at the tailgate. But once I got inside the stadium, I was actually harassed by the fans around me (old ones too) for stand

