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Some last minute predictions from your trusty Black Shoe Diaries writers.  Don't forget the open thread tomorrow night.  If you're good, maybe Mike will create a separate post for the early games.

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BSD Mike:

Another week another "first test" for Penn State. This week it's our first "tough" road game. Okay, fine. Maybe next week Michigan will be some other kind of "first test", but I'm hoping we make a statement in this game so people stop doubting us.
 
Wisconsin is a team I think we match up very well against. They have two or three good running backs, but they're the same old Wisconsin. They line up and try to run you over. You can put eight or nine guys in the box and they're still going to try to run you over. That may work great against Akron, but we should have the players to stop them. Stuff the middle and get Hill going sideways and he falls like a house of cards. I think he and Clay will get a ton of rushing yards, but they'll get them three yards at a time. If we can limit them to one or two yards on first down they'll have to go to Evridge on third down, and I think that's a good situation for us.
 
Offensively we should be able to exploit the Badger defense. Their front seven is good, but their secondary is suspect. So it all comes down to Joe Paterno. He needs to let Jay and Galen take a shot at the deep ball when it's there, and Wisconsin is going to offer it to us to take if we dare. But if Joe circles the wagons and turns this into a game of execution by ramming Royster into a defense that is stacking the box just to prove he can, this game is going to be frustrating to say the least.
 
Wisconsin has spent the past week looking back at the last two weeks instead of focusing on the Nittany Lions. There is even internal debate over who the starting quarterback and running back should be. Dreams of a national championship have been replaced with hopes for just making the Outback Bowl. Meanwhile, this Penn State team is hungry and focused. They have been looking forward to this game since the final seconds ticked off the clock in West Lafayette. Heck, I might even argue they've been look forward to this game since they defeated Illinois.
 
Prediction: Penn State 24, Wisconsin 13

Kevin HD:

I would have never guessed this summer that Wisconsin would be unranked this early in the season, but with the help of a 4th quarter meltdown against Michigan and the prevent defense against Ohio State, Wisconsin is sitting at 0-2 in Big Ten play.  I've read some pretty hilarious previews this week, ones that include things like "there is no way Wisconsin drops two night games in a row" or "if Wisconsin can play physically, Penn State won't be able to handle it".  It's amazing the incredibly irrelevant comments people will make in order to try and apply some type of predictive substance.
 
In reality, I think this game plays out as a lot less exciting than expected.  Clark proved against Illinois that he can keep up when matched against a productive offense, and Bradley seems to have a very good understanding of how to play defense when you have the lead.  If Penn State gets off to a fast start, I don't see how Wisconsin, with a slow moving offense and shaky quarterback, will be able to keep up.  Hill will have plenty of yards tomorrow, but with even a ten-point lead it will be difficult for him to have a significant impact running four yards at a time.  Bradley will let him do that all day, and by the time they close the gap the game will be over.
 
Of course, being a road game, I have a pit in my stomach that no amount of logic can erase.  I'm talking about the 2007 Michigan strategy and, until I see it with my own eyes, I'm awfully nervous about our tendency to voluntarily play with one hand tied behind our backs.  Everything I read says that Paterno has learned his lesson, and with that I remain cautiously optimistic about tomorrow night.  Williams loves the big stage and Clark's swagger seems to be road-resistant.  Penn State is the better team tomorrow and so, at the risk of getting my hopes up, I expect that the team will pass their "first test" version 7.0.
 
Prediction:  Penn State 31, Wisconsin 24

 

Run Up The Score:

Allow me to present the last four results of Penn State at Wisconsin:

11/4/06: Wisconsin 13, Penn State 3

9/25/04:  Wisconsin 16, Penn State 3

10/5/02:  Penn State 34, Wisconsin 31

11/21/98: Wisconsin 24, Penn State 3

In 2006, 2004, and 1998, Wisconsin went a combined 32-5.  Penn State was 22-14.  Obviously, Wisconsin had significantly better teams in those matchups, averaging nearly 11 wins per season, while Penn State was the very definition of mediocre. 

This year, it seems that Penn State is the team on course for 11 wins and Wisconsin (as in 2002) will be lucky to achieve fringe Top 25 status by the end of the season.  So while I expect Penn State to put up more than a mere field goal, I still expect a relatively low-scoring, grinding game that will drive us all insane.  This isn't a situation where Penn State will employ the traditional "hang around until the 4th quarter strategy".  It'll just feel that way.

Wisconsin will be able to run the ball.  I've seen too many missed tackles to believe otherwise.  The real question is how often they'll run it.  We love to complain -- all of us, really -- that Penn State gets too conservative on the road in places like Madison, Columbus, and Ann Arbor.  That's probably true.  Personally, I think the strategy has to be, in the simplest terms, score 24 points and dare Wisconsin to equal it.  The first quarter will be paramount.  Get the lead, make Wisconsin throw the ball more than they'd like, and good things will happen in spades for Penn State.  If the Badgers end up with 47+ rushing attempts at the end of the game, it's very likely that Penn State will have lost.

I can't brag about my ability to predict final scores this season, but I've generally been correct about Penn State's "flatness", for lack of a better term.  In this instance, I believe that the night atmosphere helps Penn State -- they're much more likely to be sharp at the outset for an 8:00 p.m. start as opposed to a noon kickoff.  It'll be a struggle, but if turnovers and other mistakes are relatively even, Penn State should prevail.  Barely.

Prediction:  Penn State 23, Wisconsin 19.

 

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What are your guys thoughts on the coin toss?

I’ve always been a fan of the defer, but with a team like Penn State this year, and a bunch of the games we play, I wonder if we should “elect to receive” if we win the tosses (at least in some of these crucial games). It really seems like a lot of the analysis on this year’s team is “if they can get the lead early and force the other team to pass and come from behind, they should win”. Obviously having a lead early is good, but it seems like it would be huge for this year’s team.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

No official opinion

I always like getting the defense on the field early, hoping to force a punt, and then getting the ball around midfield. But that’s just the dream scenario.

In the end, I’m not sure it matters that much.

by Run Up The Score on Oct 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What scares me

is the fact PSU does not play well against strong power running teams. Seems like in the last decade our db’s get a ton of tackles downfield

by SweepTheLeg on Oct 10, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but now we have Ollie Ogbu. That dude rocks.

by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 11, 2008 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Word.

I love shouting when he makes a great play: ‘Ollie, Ollie Ogbu!’

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 11, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Defer

You have a chance to totally take control of the game when you defer.

Think about last week, PSU kicks, holds Purdue than gets the ball in decent field position. If they had scored (and they should have) they have siezed all of the momentum in the game. Then you get the ball to start the second half as well.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Oct 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it

I think doing anything other than deferring is almost criminally stupid.

From a momentum standpoint; 1 at the start of the game everybody is totally shot out of a cannon, it’s easier to play defense that way than offense (see Illinois). 2 Which is easier to do an 80 yard touchdown drive or reasonably quick defensive stop?

Getting the second half kickoff is almost like turnover. Last week we scored on the last play of the first half, and then got the ball back. That is a huge swing, one that like I said above, really allows you to take control of a game.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Oct 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno...

I loved how Dick Vermeil’s teams in KC and St. Louis would always elect to receive. If you have the best kickoff return team in the Big Ten and the best offense, why not play to your strengths? I would assemble the team and say, “If we win the toss, get ready because we’re putting you in.” It’s nothing but a confidence boost to trust them to score on the road on the first drive. It breaks a lot of conventions we’ve expected from PSU. It also opens up the playbook against a weak UW secondary and quiets the crowd right at the beginning.

I wouldn’t do it every week, but why not make a statement?

by Cairo on Oct 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was basically my point

if the whole “if we score and take the lead early, the game is ours” thing is really true, then why not make a statement with it.

As I said before, I’ve always been a fan of the defer, since not only do you basically get the potential “turnover” kickoff to start the second half, but you also get to decide which side of the field to defend to start the game. Not only that, but if you are able to stop the opponents offense (who probably hasn’t hit their stride, and “clicked” yet) you then get a short field on your first posession.

I’m kinda on the fence about which approach I think would work best in this game (which I guess really means I’m leaning towards “receive”, since I’m normally an automatic “defer” guy). I envision that if we were to elect to receive, and are able to score immediately on them, it might further break Wisconsin’s will. They’ve just had 2 heartbreaking losses in games they should have or could have easily won, and then they see how futile their efforts will be against Penn State. The downside, of course, is if we start out flat, give them short field for their first drive, and they punch it in to go ahead.

The more I think about it, the more I still think “defer” is the better choice. You get your defense on the field, which as jesse mentioned, having them “just shot out of a cannon” will be a big boost to them, plus the offenses haven’t really been able to warm up yet, and will probably come out flat.

Ok, I’m going to stop before I talk in even more circles.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 10, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pick

PSU 38….Wiscy 13.

This game is over in the first quarter as PSU jumps up 14-0, Wiscy changes QBs and the rest is history.

Oh and Evan Rolls Royster tops the century mark….TWICE!

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Oct 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I am a fan of your optimism

For all of our sakes I hope you are the most correct by a landslide

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Oct 10, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want optimism?

PSU 63, Wisconsin 14.

Clark is mentioned in the same breath with Chase Daniel in the Heisman race as Norwood, Williams, Royster, and Green each notch 2 TD’s a piece. Lawlor makes it nine. Comparisons with the ’94 team run rampant and Rich Rod resigns rather than face the onslaught that is the Spread HD.

by Cairo on Oct 10, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass me

some of whatever you’re imbibing – it sounds excellent.

I see Wiscy going for a garbage FG as time runs out, PSU 63, Wiscy 17.

Wow. That stuff IS good.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Oct 10, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'mam officially having what he is drinking!

Love it!!! Here’s to seeing that happen!

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Oct 11, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am, that is...

:::must be slurring::::

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Oct 11, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overly optimistic.

We only beat them by 41, not the 49 I predicted.

I’m still holding out on RichRod resigning this week.

by Cairo on Oct 12, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

31-16

This is, of course, a hopeful optimism that we’re going to ditch the run-run-pass on every drive, and hopefully Joe really has learned his lesson over the past few years we’ve lost games while doing that.

by blogue20 on Oct 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Well-assessed fellas

Of course, I’m so hooked on this frickin site, I sit with baited breath waiting to see what you’ll write next.

I feel like a wannabe BSD groupie.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 10, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

This game scares me in ways I can't quantify

Honestly, I think PSU 20, Wiscy 13. I hope it’s a bigger win than that, but Wisconsin always scares me. Granted, I said this last year and look what happened. So what do I know?

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Forget about last year

Unless they move the game to Beaver Stadium and Wisconsin fumbles the ball inside their 20 on the first play of the game.

Even if Wisconsin were 5-0 right now, Penn State is the better team. If we play our best game of the season we will win handily.

What scares me the most is that Penn State has been very lucky with some turnover bounces in the past two weeks, and if that luck runs out we could be in a mess of trouble.

What scares me the second most is how they never finished off Purdue. They blew a chance to score on the first drive and seize momentum. They got a field goal instead of a TD at the end of the first half. Another field goal instead of a TD keeps Purdue in the game (at 20-0) instead of heading to the bar at 24-0. That is how Wisconsin lost at Michigan, and that’s how Penn State can lose at Wisconsin.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Oct 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyhoo

I’m going with we play well.

Penn State 28 Wisconsin 13

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Oct 10, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying that last year really plays into things, just undermining my own credibility, of which I don’t especially have any.

That said, I completely agree with your fears- the last thing we need to do is let them stick around.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Kevin

I’ll believe it when I see it in regards to opening up our offense on the road.

I think the strategy for Wisky has got be to eat up as much clock as they can, similar to Purdue and limit PSU’s possessions. Against Purdue, PSU had roughly 3 less possessions that what we were averaging coming into that game and 3 less opportunities to put up points. That makes execution on every possession that much more important. Against Purdue we still scored on just about half of our possessions, they just limited our amount and kept us out of the end zone.

With that said, I still think PSU’s offense is too good for Wisky and PSU wins 24-13. (And that’s with a conservative Joe Pa approach).

by Screen Name 20 on Oct 10, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll take it.

We were off on the Wisky score and way off on PSU, but if I’m wrong like that I’ll take it going forward.

by Screen Name 20 on Oct 13, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

PSU 24 Wiscy 17

Wisconsin gets a ton of yards rushing, but stalls quite a lot on third and long. Penn State is somewhat conservative, but not anywhere near as bad as the Michigan game last year.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

semi non-sequitor

if I was Guido, I’d set up that “SNAAAAKE A SNAAAAKE, OH IT’S A SNAAAAKE” part of the video every time we stuffed the BadgerBadgerBadgers back at Beaver Stadium.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

And, do the “Mushroom, mushroom” after every bone-jarring hit.

That video has serious potential.

If Guido’s lurking here, please – read and learn, Sir!

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Oct 10, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

6pm fridays are dead zones. Why the eff am I online instead of at happy hour you ask? I’m a dumb, dumb dork who agreed to a consulting meeting at 6p. Could mean extra pressure to go out and terrorize dc during games tomorrow.

Salt in my wounds: just looked out the window. Yep, it’s gorgeous out. Suck!

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 10, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel your pain

Still here at work as well, finishing up some things (hurray financial quarter closes!). On top of that, I’m stuck with no radio and living off of insert favorite sports site here, trying to keep up with the Phillies-Dodgers game.

But I guess the upside with it being autumn is that it’ll soon be dark enough not to notice that it was gorgeous outside. If you can consider not seeing the outside world all day an “upside”….

by IcersGuy on Oct 10, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez

And me taking the afternoon off to play 18 (sunny and 75), then relax at the clubhouse bar to watch the Fightin’s go up 2-zip on the Dodgers.

I sympathize with you guys had a great time.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Oct 10, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You rat bastard.

Although I can’t hate too much, I’m going to the beach Sunday – Tuesday.

by Run Up The Score on Oct 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well-played Mr. Streak

You are indeed a veteran of How Best to Play a Friday.

I’m pretty good at playing catchup, too. So my Saturday is looking up.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 11, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nervous Nelly

I can’t help but have a hug pit in my stomach with this game. I’m having horrible flashbacks to Michigan ‘05. I probably won’t be able to sleep tonight I’ll be that nervous. I just hope Clark is up for the test, this will be his toughest challenge yet. And talk about a time when you miss someone like Sean Lee. He could have been crucial in this game to stop Wisconsin’s run game.

by jcierski on Oct 10, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

A Legitimate........

top 5 program wins this game by 17 points. We’ll see what happens.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Oct 10, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Word

Homeboy…this is a BIG statement game.

Wiskey on the road/at night….big game

PSU 28
WU 21

by SweepTheLeg on Oct 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where we need to come off this shit that this is a statement game.

It’s a statement game. For Wisconsin. For us, it’s another game. We need to stop this shit of talking about Wisconsin, scUM, and the fuckeyes with too, too much respect. We’re not playing Wisconsin this week. Wisconsin’s playing us. And when we start coaching like that, and coaching to win, we’re fine. If we play with confidence (and I think Clark and the O-Line have it in abundance, but in a good way), this should be at least a 13-point win. Again, as long as the coaches coach to win.

I look for Wisconsin to implode. After blowing two games like they have, this isn’t cirlce the wagon time. It’s meltdown time. When was the last time a team blew two games like that, and made a season of it? Also, with their QB now wondering which mistake is going to get him the hook, if we come out strong and aggressive, they’re done. Just jam the box and rush their QB off the ends and make him throw. This game should not be a problem.

by Ab4PSU on Oct 10, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

With our talent and potential, it is definitely time to stop with a win is a win expectations. Time for fans to expect some legitimacy displays.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 11, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best of luck this weekend to you guys

I’ll be rootin for ya from out here in Oregon

The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs

by The VD Special on Oct 11, 2008 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Man

You guys came up huge against SC, and we owe ya.

Good luck to you folks also!

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Oct 11, 2008 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

PSU 26
Wisky 13

You heard it here first.

by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 11, 2008 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting game

I think the “test” thing is a pretty legitimate question considering your coaching staff’s past… like it or not, Purdue isn’t exactly an environment that’s on an even playing field as Madison at night. If Penn State lines up and just tries to play smash-mouth football, they’re playing right into Wisconsin’s strengths. If they stay with what has been so effective so far in the year, I think that you’ll be well in control.

I just don’t think Wisconsin is that great of a football team, if you can get Everidge on the run, your D will have a nice evening. I think the only way this game is close is if the Nittany Lions end up having to settle for field-goals instead of TDs and let Wisconsin hang around after half-time.

Good luck, and see you next week!

Go Blue!

by ThoseWhoStay on Oct 11, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away

a couple of buddies and I had a band that played the State College circuit with some modest success. The Brickhouse, The Phyrst, The Rathskeller among some of the establishments of the time. After not playing together for about 20 years we started kicking the rust off again last year and over this past summer started playing again semi-regularly at the Autoport. At the end of August I started trying to get the ownership to book us ahead of time and when I saw the open dates I started to grab them up.

In doing so I didn’t realize that the only Saturday I booked us to play was a 9:00 – 12:00 show for tonight. To try to get at least a handful of people to come out to see the gig I said at that time it’s going to be PSU 28, WI 20 and told everyone “so now you know what’s going to happen, so come on out to the show since you’re not going to miss anything”. We’re sort of looking at tonight as a paid practice. I’m wondering how many times during the night, we’re going to stop in the middle of a song to go “YEAH! GO! GO!”. Or how many times we’re going to get to say “Thank you! Thank you very much!” when a loud crowd cheer goes up for a big gainer or a sack or something. I’m thinking “lots. lots of times.”

Even though that prediction predated, I believe, even the Syracuse game, I’m sticking with that. Thankfully, we’re only playing Friday nights from here on out.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Oct 11, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

hilarious

Great story, man. Have a good gig tonight!

pax et amor

by jtothep on Oct 11, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, there kinda was more than one

first there was “Trinity 1296”. We played together about two years and then when one of the guys left we disbanded. Then we replaced him with a girl and reformed as “Trinity FTN” (although we always just billed ourselves as “Trinity” in both cases, the suffix was more of an band secret kind of thing). That band played together for about two years and we disbanded again. My bass player, drummer and I then reformed as “The Beaver Avenue Beggars Band”.

Other versions followed up through ’99. The current version is from that orignal “Trinity 1296”.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Oct 12, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya had the winner right

Prediction: Penn State 24, Wisconsin 13
Prediction: Penn State 31, Wisconsin 24
Prediction: Penn State 23, Wisconsin 19.

 

When duty called, we came. When country called, we died.

by V Bus on Oct 12, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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