Don't Stop Believing, Michigan
With Michigan coming to town this week it's interesting to cruise the blogs and message boards to get a feel for how the Wolverine faithful are viewing this game. It's difficult to do because you have to weed through the "OMG Rich Rodriguez BOOOOO" and "People booing Rich Rodriguez should SHUT UP NOW" posts, but some people are talking about Penn State. Most Michigan fans have level heads about themselves and realize they are a rebuilding team facing the #3 team in the country and their chances are slim. But there are a few die-hard Maize and Blue believers who actually think they have a chance. Here is some of the air tight reasoning I'm reading on the internet.
Michigan Owns Penn State
Just like Michigan owns the MAC, eh? Seems like a lot of streaks are being broken this year. 30 years without a losing record. Going to bowl games.
Look, you have a nine game winning streak going and that's all. The events of eight years ago have no bearing on this Saturday. You could say your defensive line owned Anthony Morelli or that Mike Hart owned our defensive line, but those guys are gone now. But hey, at least you still own the refs.

Michigan Beat Wisconsin So Anything Can Happen
Right. The same Wisconsin team we annihilated in Madison on Saturday night. Penn State didn't need a furious second half comeback with the home crowd cheering us on. We went into their house and did whatever we wanted. Wisconsin gave you that game. Penn State will not beat themselves.
Michigan's Defense Will Keep Them In The Game
Have you seen your secondary? Juice Williams torched you for 310 yards. Nice job in holding Miami (OH) and Toledo under 20 points, but you'll have to do better against our guys. Daryll Clark is #11 in the country in pass efficiency. Evan Royster is averaging over seven yards a carry. But the scary thing is you never know where the ball is going. Clark has thrown ten touchdowns to seven different players. You can't stop them. You can only choose which guy you are going to let beat you.
Penn State Will Be Looking Past Michigan
I can assure you this is not the case. I think we let the Wisconsin win soak in for about a half hour before we started looking toward this Saturday. We've had this day marked on the calendar for months. If anything I was worried they might be looking past Wisconsin toward this game. But this team has shown week in and week out they can show up and take care of business against lesser competition.
You have to remember the seniors on this team were freshmen when we went to Ann Arbor in 2005. They looked past Michigan on that day and they paid dearly for it. These seniors are not going to let that happen again. Plus, when you are constantly being asked about "the streak" all week long by anyone who shoves a microphone in your face, you tend to get a little pissed off and feel like you have something to prove.
Paterno Always Plays Conservative against Michigan
Correction: Paterno traditionally plays conservative against good teams. Michigan is not a good team right now, so I'm looking for Paterno to put the foot on the gas pedal and hold it down until he has a four touchdown lead.
But in actuality, there is evidence to suggest Paterno has broken away from his conservative ways. He has seen too many large leads slip away in recent years either ending in losses or having the final score end up a lot closer than it should have been. Last week Penn State was borderline accused of running up the score on Wisconsin. After the game Paterno had this to say.
On continuing to call aggressive plays late into the game: "You know, I've been in some ball games where it turned around so fast, it'd make your head spin. I thought when we came out in the third quarter we needed to get on the board a couple times. I maybe played the first string a little longer than I should have and given the younger kids a chance, but one big play here, one big play there, and it gets to be a dogfight. "
Needed to get on the board a couple times? When was the last time anyone can recall those words coming from Joe Paterno? He has complete confidence in his offense and doesn't feel like he needs to sit on a ten point lead to hang on for a victory.
I'm sorry Michigan, but you don't stand a chance in this game. Penn State is not looking past you. Your defense will not hold up against the Penn State juggernaut. There is only one coach that has successfully taken the Big Ten by storm with the Spread, and his initials are not R.R.
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I'll give credit where credit is due
Like you said, there are many UM fans that are level-headed about this game. And I highly respect that. However there are those few that say “Michigan a lock for the upset”. It just makes me lawl.
by GreatScawt on Oct 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT 0 recs
All this being said, until there’s 0:00 left on the clock, and a completely dismantled Wolverine team standing in complete awe of the destruction that was just wrought upon them, I won’t feel vindicated.
I thought the same thing last year. They lost to App State and Oregon. I was certain it was the year. While I’m confident in a Penn State victory, until a smoldering crater is left on the west sideline where a Michigan team once stood, I won’t be happy.
by shadowfax on Oct 15, 2008 10:59 AM EDT 0 recs
I won't be confident
until there is negative 0:02 left on the clock, though you never know, DickRod’s ability to sneak money into the ref’s pockets might not be as good as grand master Carr’s
(I don’t actually believe Lloyed Carr paid off the refs, or that any scUM booster did, I just think that Big 10 refs have a long standing bias favoring Michigan in games, and I don’t even think it is intentional. I think it is somewhere along the lines of how home fans usually cna’t see penalties against their own teams)
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
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Agreed
While I feel confident about a win, my gut won’t let me not worry until the game is over. I think we’d have to have a 3 TD or so lead late in the second half before I’m not particularly nervous.
by Laaaaazzz on
Oct 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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That crater could be arranged
I mean, I would never…but you know, I know a guy who knows a guy. He’s in the import/export business. All very legit. Um. Yeah.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Oct 15, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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AMEN TO THAT!
"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees
by kajpsu on
Oct 15, 2008 3:58 PM EDT
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scUM
I think there is no way PSU looks past this game for the same reason Michigan fans feel they have a chance. The last 9 times these 2 teams have met. The players know what this game means and that Michigan seems to be that team that kills our hopes even when we have a better team.
by Jborg10 on Oct 15, 2008 11:02 AM EDT 0 recs
This season
we look to who we are playing and that is it. We are actually taking it one game at a time (except for Clark really wanting to beat the Illini). We are going to play our game, stay healthy (can’t afford another ACL injury, sorry Brent), and win 42-10
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on Oct 15, 2008 11:06 AM EDT 0 recs
ACLs
I propose that instead of the four diamonds fund that Dance Marathon raise money for recently created jesse. Institute for research on the prevention of blowing out ACLs
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Oct 15, 2008 11:17 AM EDT 0 recs
They could divert some money there
Yeah, it seems like every year you hear about more and more injuries…and for as bad as it is in men’s sports, women are much more susceptible to injured ACL’s and it is more prevalent in women’s sports.
by Screen Name 20 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Prediction....
60-10…and we still would need a couple more scores.
Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09
by Nick7 on Oct 15, 2008 11:41 AM EDT 0 recs
Have to start the game
in the two-minute drill to break Ga. Tech’s record . . .
by Joe 96alum on
Oct 15, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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Michigan fan here
Obviously I can only speak for myself, but I fully realize the two teams are at very different points in their development. Michigan absolutely will not move the ball on offense, and will need to play their best game of the season on D (3rd down and red zone being the keys) to keep PSU below 30 points. I’d put the odds of Michigan winning at between 0 and 10%, probably closer to 0.
That said, I’ll be at Beaver Stadium cheering for Michigan, taking abuse from frustrated PSU fans (incl. the wife).
Go Blue.
by Wlvrn99 on Oct 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT 0 recs
a good man always marries a PSU fan
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Your wife sounds hot...
though not very smart since she married a Michigan fan
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 15, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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Priorities
times people have said “your wife sounds hot” on BSD: too many to count
times people have said “your wife sounds smart” on BSD: 0
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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True fact, but.....
no sense saying a wife sounds smart, since they say that all the time themselves.
By the way, Mr. Ambassador – your lady still looks hot.
Nice dog, too.
Just sayin’.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on
Oct 15, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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Our shared hatred of Notre Dame
unites us, at least 364 days a year.
Saturday won’t be easy, I’m not going to lie.
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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Our hatred for tOSU as well…let us not forget those sweater vest wearing, big game no shows
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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if I were her
I’d have divorced you back in 2002. No offense to you, you sound like a nice enough guy, but I’m sure you own at least SOME UofM gear, and that is forbidden in my household.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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The worst part
Women are the worst when it comes to talking smack because they don’t know when it goes too far. My wife is already giving the business to the Buckeye fans up the street. I’m just like “Would you shut up and wait until we win?”
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Oct 15, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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The 2 year UM/PSU scheduling break happened to coincide with our engagement/marriage. If not for that, I’d put it at even money that we actually stay together. The 05 game (in person) was our first, and if we both weren’t stuck w/each other by that point…
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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We weren’t married in 02, but I get the point. And I graduated from UM, so yes, outside of work you have a 50% change of seeing me in Michigan clothing.
I’m always surprised at the level of hatred towards UM among the average PSU fan, given the relatively short rivalry. I guess 9 in a row will do that.
by Wlvrn99 on Oct 15, 2008 12:32 PM EDT 0 recs
9 in a row does indeed do a lot,
and not much of it good.
You sound like a decent guy, and were smart enough to marry a PSU babe. So you’ve got that going for you.
Which is nice.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on
Oct 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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UM fans are no angels either
I’m always surprised at the level of hatred towards UM among the average PSU fan, given the relatively short rivalry. I guess 9 in a row will do that.
Let’s not act so innocent up there UM guys. Your fans have more than rubbed our noses in the nine
year old pile of shiite so that definitley gets a guy or gal pissed.
Remember that old tOSU / UM joke:
Q: what kind of car does Jim Tressell own?
A: Lloyd Carr
I am sure that kind of crap never got old to you, right?
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 15, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Michigan Could Win
but they would have to have so much luck that it would be ridiculous to even consider it.
Michigan would need a special teams score. Punt return, Kick off return, punt block or FG block for a TD. Michigan generally fumbles kick off returns so the odds of a TD are low. Punt returns have been bad, so the odds of a TD are low. They could block a punt as I think they’ve blocked a couple so far this year. I highly doubt they block a FG though as Paterno likes to run fakes.
They would also need the defense to score. Pick 6 or a fumble return for TD. That isn’t unrealistic.
They would also need 2 offensive TDs and no turnovers. I think Michigan is averaging about 4 turnovers per game, so I highly doubt they have zero. Two offesive TDs is probably not out of the question though.
So, if all those things went Michigan’s way they could end up with 28 points. Then all the defense would have to do is hold PSU under 28 points. Hey, why not. Purdue did it.
And if anyone wants to bet me about this, I’ll take Penn State and give up the 24 points. Its football and anything can happen any week. Michigan could win. Its so inprobable that it really isn’t worth considering.
For Michigan fans, they shouldn’t be worried or hoping for a W, they should just hope for improved play by the team.
by DrDetroit on Oct 15, 2008 12:43 PM EDT 0 recs
I hate
Michigan more than any other team then Pitt. We went there last year, and almost every person that saw us with PSU stuff in treated us like absolute shit. That said, DO NOT treat them like shit this year. We’re PSU we’re better than that. Even though, theyre fans love to come here and push us around. Regardless, Michigan is a mind battle for us, and I hope we’re not underestimating what this game could turn into.
by PSU4ever31 on Oct 15, 2008 12:50 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow
When I went to the 2002 game, the Ann Arbor folk were very nice. I was even offered tailgate food from Michigan fans. In the stands, they were respectful and I had no trouble from anyone. I guess times have changed. The only thing I still hate about that game is “the catch.” Tony Johnson had BOTH feet in bounds more than a yard out from the line. There was even a divot (in bounds). But mysteriously Tony was ruled out of bounds. One of the refs lived in Ann Arbor which I find unacceptable.
"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."
by Touchdown on
Oct 15, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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last year was the worst football experience of my life. I sat in the end zone and the people were nothing but rude. I should say there were a dew die-hards behind us that were very nice and told us how beautiful PSU was when the visited but other than that, it was a disaster.
by PSU4ever31 on
Oct 16, 2008 2:36 AM EDT
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RUN IT UP
Regardless of the score, I want Joe or Tom to call time out with :28 left, and get two seconds added to the clock. Then I want to see them get down to the four with :01 left and throw a TD pass. This will be especially sweet if the margin is already 35 or higher.
Beating Michigan by a small margin is like an unseasoned dish. It will fill you up, but it won’t taste very good.
WE ARE...
by dmoney350z on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Way to misconstrue a great quote about honor...
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on
Oct 16, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Actually, the quote is:
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will satisfy your hunger but it won’t taste very good.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 16, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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The copy I have of it is from
his book…I took it word for word, I have also seen it quoted the way you have it as well…I like the plainspeak of my sig…
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on
Oct 16, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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There are few occasions...
where I’d concur with this suggestion… but this is DEFINITELY one of them. Rodriguez deserves it. Shaw deserves it. Michigan’s fans absolutely deserve it. The streak’s gonna end and end violently at that! Let’s hang up as many points as we possibly can!
Go Lions!!!!
by BSM PSU 93 on Oct 15, 2008 1:09 PM EDT 0 recs
So much hostility
Really, an 18 year old kid deserves to be embarrassed for his choice of college? Would that make you feel better about your life?
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Not for his choice of college...
but for the way he went about it. It wouldn’t necessarily be embarrassing Shaw himself anyway, just beating the piss out of his new team. Either way, not saying I agree with the idea, but what Shaw did was pretty bush league and a definitive “F YOU” to Penn State’s coaching staff.
by jimbo2psu on
Oct 15, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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If I recall correctly
didn’t “he who shall not be named” (M*r*ll*) give a verbal commit to Pitt before deciding to come to Penn State?
He showed, in that instance, his ability to commit and make decisions, and perhaps not surprisingly, things didn’t really ever change for him. If that’s inidcative of how other verbal commitment reneggers are, then I say good riddance to Michael Shaw (and not that he ever made a verbal anywhere, and was never likely to come to Penn State, but the way Terrelle Pryor hijacked the signing day/week/month(s), I say good riddance to him, too)
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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By that logic...
Will you be cheering against Darrell Givens, 2010 PSU commit and OSU “renegger?”
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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verbals
theres a big difference between reopening the recruiting process after giving a verbal commitment too early, and what shaw did to us, which was lead us to believe that he was a Penn Stater up until signing day.
by JoePaPa on
Oct 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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Exactly
That’s what I was getting at. Shaw told our staff he was a Penn Stater right up until pen hit paper on signing day as far I as knew it. That’s much different than a kid just changing his mind.
by jimbo2psu on
Oct 15, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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I won't be cheering against him
but I won’t have complete faith in him right away.
I can understand why some guys decide to change their minds, and like guys with Terrelle Pryor (who didn’t make a verbal commit, I just threw him in because he was so wishy washy, it makes me question how mentally tough he is, granted he is only 18, though there is little doubt in his physical ability). I can understand the guy who commits to a school, only to see them land the top prospect at his position, virtually guaranteeing him he won’t ever start, how he will then want to go somewhere else. I can see a school go through a coaching change, which aside from basically eliminating any contacts the kid had with the school, could also introduce a system that he might not get very much playing time in, and therefore he decides to go somewhere else.
What I have a problem with are the top-tier type guys who tell a school that he’s going there, and everyone thinks that all along, including other potential recruits who shy away, or who perhaps weren’t offered a scholarship, since it was reserved for the other guy, but then the top-tier guy decides at the last minute to go somewhere else, which can really screw up a team, since they now have a gap, and no one to really fill it with.
And what is with these top-tier guys switching places anyway. If they’re really that good, they should be thinking to themselves that they could go virtually anywhere and succeed (a la Derrick Williams on deciding to come to Penn State and “save” our program).
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Agreed
I just wanted to point out that it happens everywhere, and it is unfortunate. I try not to get too wrapped up in recruiting, but I try to pay attention to what the kids say, what kind of students they are, how much pride they take in attending a top school like michigan or psu, etc. We’ve had our share of kids decommit/transfer lately, and my general feeling is if they don’t want to go to my school, then all parties are better off with them somewhere else. I don’t wish harm on any of them, with the possible exception of Justin Boren’s dad b/c he played for Bo and should know better.
At the same time, these are kids, and they unfortunately have a lot of factors weighing on their decisions that I didn’t have when I picked where to go. Hell, UM lost a top safety recruit to Indiana b/c he wanted to be closer to his kid. When I see our safeties continue to turn 8 yard passes into 70 yard TDs on Saturday, well, let’s just say I hope the kid is at least being a good father.
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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I try not to get too wrapped up in recruiting
because if the pros can’t figure out which college kids are going to be good, with all the money they spend on analysis, then I can’t imagine that colleges can figure out which high school kids are going to be good. Granted there is definitely a correlation between performance at the different levels, but top picks/recruits sometimes don’t even see the field of play at the next level.
As for the saftey going to Indiana to be with his kid: that is a type of decommit that I can respect, and I hope the kid can lead the team in tackles (probably likely, with the way offenses run over Indiana).
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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Pryor knew all along what he wanted to do.
He just didn’t want to announce it and have his basketball team play in the PIAA state championships at the Bryce Jordan Center and get rode like an old whore.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 15, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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Old whores
sound hot
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 15, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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I'm trying...
Not to to be too confident that we’ll win. I especially want us to come through though, so Michigan can shut up about the streak and be brought back down to Earth for the first time in a long time. Now its just a question of whether we will win or win big.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
by OMEGAMAN on Oct 15, 2008 1:31 PM EDT 0 recs
You realize
That after Saturday, the new line will be “we beat you 9 of the last 10 times! lol rofl!”
by blogue20 on
Oct 15, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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No, it will be “You could only beat our worst team EVAR!”
I hope when this happens I can point to our BCS Championship trophy, laugh heartily, and remind them that so did a terrible Toledo team.
by Tailgate Shogun on
Oct 15, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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That was my take on it
Oh, Penn State beat Michigan in 2008? Wow, they are as good as Toledo.
This year will end the streak, but PSU has to win again in either 09 or 10 to actually change anything.
by DrDetroit on
Oct 16, 2008 7:55 AM EDT
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As much as it pains me....
I think you would have to be absolutely nutso to say definitively that Michigan will win this game ( streak be damned, and any other reason my fellow Wolverines are giving for the upset) Do I think an upset is possible..yes..do I think it is likely..NO!
I’m hoping that Michigan is at least competitive though. Although I want Michigan to win I would love to see Penn State in the BCS title game smacking an SEC or PAC 10 team right in the mouth ( I hope they beat anybody they might play for a National Championship but I especially don’t like those two conferences) and then Joe Pa retiring the next day. I say that with all the respect in the world to Paterno, I just want to see him go out on top.
by Lostincali on Oct 15, 2008 2:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Damn
You level-headed Wolverine fans make it hard to hate you.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Oct 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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Exactly.
Most fans are good-natured in real life and turds on the internet. Wolverine fans are the complete opposite. It’s frustrating.
by Cairo on
Oct 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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Bad apples in every bunch
With the notable exception of OSU, most fan bases have their good and bad. You may have experienced some of the bad from UM in person, unfortunately.
I look at the Big Ten like a family. Arguing, resentment, complaints, occasional beatings, but ultimately, respect. Except for the degenerate half-brother in Columbus, of course.
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 15, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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I agree with almost everything...
but I have less respect for our “little brother” living in state. At least the one in Columbus has kind of earned the right to trash talk.
by Lostincali on
Oct 15, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Meh.
I got no problem with MSU. They’re one of the few schools that welcomed PSU into the Big Ten, they hate UM, and we both find it amusing we have to battle over the most ridiculous trophy ever conceived by man. What’s not to like?
MSU is the only school without a “defining moment” in my mind. I’ve had my blood boil in expectation for every other school in the Big Ten aside from them. They just feel like a quality opponent that I can respect if they’re good or empathize with their fanbase if they are playing poorly. There have been great moments, a lot of close scores, even a .500 series record, but almost none of those games seemed to affect postseason play or my interpretation of the season being “good” or “bad”. Maybe it’s the late date in the season. In my mind, there has been no controversy, no strange ref calls, no taunting on the other side, no running up of the score. Even the 63-14 blowout in 2002 can be justified by Larry Johnson going crazy in the first half.
This may change this year, however.
by Cairo on
Oct 15, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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honestly...
I really don’t have too much of a problem w/Sparty. Secretly I cheer for them if they aren’t playing Michigan or Western Michigan. I just wanted to use the “little brother” term to go along with the previous family analogy and because almost every MSU fan loves to use the highly original scUM label.
I honestly don’t harbor any ill feeling towards any Big Ten teams except for that 60 minute period they’re on the field with Michigan.
by Lostincali on
Oct 15, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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Not that it REALLY matters...
But the Presidents of both UM and MSU voted against PSU joining the Big Ten. Once the deal was done, though, MSU’s athletic dept. didn’t seem to mind.
Their old coach even glue-gunned together the ugliest rivalry trophy in the history of sport!
by Tailgate Shogun on
Oct 15, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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I guess MSU
wanted to be remembered as the last team to join the Big 10
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 15, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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Let's not rewrite history here.
At one point the Big Ten was SCARED TO DEATH of us. When it was announced we were joining the league, Michigan’s coach Gary Moeller said that “We (Penn State) just made everybody else’s job that much harder.” Iowa’s coach Hayden Fry said that we were going to beat people up, maybe injure somebody, and possibly cost somebody a shot at a national championship. While we have nowhere near dominated the league, the schools were initially very apprehensive about having to deal with us.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 15, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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I have a hard time buying the Big Ten "family" bullshit.
Where was our “family” in 1994 when we ran the table? They all voted Nebraska #1, and showed us absolutely no love or respect whatsoever. I have no love for the Big Ten at all.
Also, has there been any other team that has been on the short end of officiating “errors” than we have in the last 10 years (Iowa ‘02, Michigan ’02, Ohio State ’03, Michigan ’05)? Newsweek had an article a month or so ago about reverse dementia in the elderly, where people who were real bitches and bastards when they were younger all of a sudden got mellow when they got older. Maybe as JoePa ages he’s getting reverse dementia and is deciding to blow people out to take the referees out of the equation. My hope for Saturday is 63-0. A ten point win will be a disappointment.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 15, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
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PSU had my vote in 94
Does that help? I don’t know if you are referring to AP voters or coaches or just fans. I can tell you there was a lot of sentiment on UM’s campus in 97 that PSU deserved at least a share of the 94 title, and if Joe had pulled Tom Osborne’s retire-and-beg move, they would have had it.
And I know PSU fans will never give this up, but 2005 was in no way a “screwing.” Joe went ballistic during a TV TO and had 2 seconds added to the clock during PSU’s last drive. Aside from the fact that at least 2 seconds really did run off the clock following the Michigan TO call, precedent was set. And really, would you feel any better if the last play started with :03 on the clock vs. :01?
I know it’s easier to blame officials rather than accept your team came up a little short. I hate when UM fans do it (and we do it a lot). Had the pass to Manningham been incomplete, you guys would probably be tired of UM fans complaining about Henne’s “fumble” that went for a TD. It was a great game, pls leave it at that.
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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Damn, you sound almost human for being a Wolverine fan.
But if you also look at the one reception your receiver had on the sideline on that final drive, his toe landed inbounds, but then the heel of his foot hit the line BEFORE his other foot landed out (granted, if the other foot would have landed out before his heel hit the line, great catch). I still think a lot (not all, but a lot) of the Big Ten resents our presence and wants like hell for us to NOT succeed, no matter what the cost. Also, I was at that game, and I don’t recall 2 seconds being given back to us on that last drive. I do remember every close call that was in our favor was reviewed, and any close play (the above mentioned reception) that went in UM’s favor was not reviewed. Kind of hard to not be bitter when the Big Ten’s supervisor of replay has a UM shrine in his office.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 16, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
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The toe
is all you need. If a receiver goes heel, toe, or toe-heel, only the first thing that touches needs to be in-bounds to be a good catch. I only know this rule b/c I lost good money betting on a Giants playoff game years ago when Cris Carter went heel-toe in the end-zone for the winning score. It was discussed quite a bit then, and this is the rule, for better or worse.
I was also at the game, and remember on the way out, having conversations with PSU fans about how it felt good to win and not have any questionable calls for them to complain about. They all agreed, the 2 seconds were legit b/c Joe got the same deal. Little did I know…
Fact is, there are questionable calls in every single game. 22 talented athletes vs. 6 weekend warriors, it can’t be avoided. Some are more memorbale than others, but they are all part of the human element of sports.
by Wlvrn99 on
Oct 16, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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I guess if I could walk away from a couple of games going
“Damn, they gave us one” it would make it easier to swallow. But when it seems (and of course it depends on who’s bull is getting gored) as though you’re always the one on the short end of the stick (and believe me, I’ve got videos and everything to document it) it gets old. I love replay. I would rather lose by the right call than win by the wrong one.
by Ab4PSU on
Oct 16, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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yes it would have felt better
if the play started with 0:03 on the clock, but it didn’t.
I was also at the game, and I don’t recall JoePa getting 2 seconds added back, and I’ve never heard anything about that until you said it on here (which I don’t necessarily believe or disbelieve, since I don’t have proof one way or the other).
The catch out of bounds bothered me a bit too, and looking back he did have control of the bal when he came down and his toe touched. Still pisses me off, though, that it wasn’t reviewed, since it was a game critical play and was close enough to warrant one. Maybe the guy in the replay booth got a good enough view on the first time around, though.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 16, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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The 05 game
I also seem to remember Mike “OMG NEVER FUMBLES” Hart putting the ball on the turf before his knee hit, yet somehow a fumble was never ruled despite clear replay evidence.
At least I think that was 05. Somewhere around the middle of the field.
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