Late Night Squib Kicks
Some immediate post-game thoughts while passively hating on #1 Texas, currently throttling that fraud, Missouri, 28-0 35-0:
The turning point of the game followed Michigan's second touchdown, as Josh Hull and Tyrell Sales were replaced by Bani Gbadyu and Mike Mauti. The results were impossible to ignore:
Yes, the appearance of the eternally comical Nick Sheridan had a bit to do with the second half drives. Still, note the number of plays Michigan ran after the second touchdown. When Penn State's defense was on its heels in the second quarter, Michigan had a 29-10 advantage in plays run. The final tally? Penn State 70, Michigan 68.
Hull and Sales each bounced back from their exiles. Once Gbadyu was obliterated on big Michigan ground gain early in the third quarter, Hull was back in the game on the next play and went on to an amazing third quarter. Sales absolutely busted his ass on special teams in the second half. They could've sulked, and didn't.
Gbadyu is still in a bit of a "headless chicken" phase. He's always fast, and always in kind of the wrong direction. Nate Stupar and Chris Colasanti got some work on Michigan's last drive. Neither did anything noteworthy.
What does it mean for Ohio State next week? The coaching staff seemed to settle on the combination of Mauti, Hull, and Bowman in the second half, and I'm guessing that's what you'll see in Columbus. Everybody has to hope that Good Hull shows up as opposed to his evil twin. Gbadyu could give someone a breather, but he's simply not a middle linebacker.
Random points:
- Nice to see Nathan Stupar finally get to a punt. He's been tantalizingly close all season, and it was just a matter of time before he his hands on one.
- We all likely screamed "WHY, JESUS, WHY?" when Derrick Williams threw a wounded duck into the end zone (saved by an excellent play by former defensive back, Deon Butler), but the play was wide open if Williams had just thrown it toward the sideline.
- Michigan had 22 passing attempts for 88 yards. This is bad. For them.
- Stephfon Green has a long way to go as a running back, but why in the world won't the coaches have him run to the outside? We're well past the point of the season where a simple option or pitch to the outside would be buried in the playbook for reasons of sneakiness. Stop running Stephfon into the line, dammit.
- Keep throwing him those screen passes, though. Stefen Wisniewski just buried a guy on Green's 80-yard screen touchdown.
What were your hidden gems from this afternoon's 46-17 victory?
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Royster
He was really something tonight. There were a couple of plays where he disappeared beneath the line like a submarine, only to pop up and run for a first down.
And to think he’s still got two more years of eligibility.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a RS sophomore
The best use of a RS in a long time. He’ll be here for Devlin’s year as a starter too unless he does so well that he jumps to the NFL in 2010.
by kmblue on Oct 18, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauti was in on a few plays before the second Michigan touchdown, too. I specifically remember one play where he tried to go after the ball carrier way early, and was easily blocked and shoved to the ground.
I think Bradley probably laid into all of the linebackers at halftime. They looked a lot more disciplined after the half.
Also, as I mentioned in the fanposts, WTF was up with that playcalling? Was this “National Screen and Bootleg” day? Yes, Michigan’s linebackers are bad, but c’mon. They weren’t even attacking the line all that aggressively.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 18, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Mauti was actually in the game on the 2nd TD
But it was part of a 4-4 defense, I think.
by Run Up The Score on Oct 18, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, another hidden gem: the player Michigan fans are most proud of, Space Emperor Zoltan (the punter), had an absolutely awful day. Yeah, a few good punts, but that blocked punt, a near-shank (27 yards), a bad punt when he had the opportunity to pin us deep (we started at the 14), and an absolutely awful free kick more than compensate.
Always happy to ruin the small glimmers of joy that Michigan fans have.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 18, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark had a nice block to spring that one TD. I agree about Royster; I was like damn tackled behind the line then whoosh out he pops!
by Rockin on Oct 18, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clark's block
That dude keeps adding to his incredible pallette of a complete field general. It’s a shame he was not in the country for the last two years performing noble and productive humanitarian support to some country far away and that is unfortunate (that is my explanation for the 06 and 07 seasons and I WILL NOT accept any arguments against it!).
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2008 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
he’s got to hold that block a little better next time. The guy brushed him off and still made the tackle on Royster at the 1 yard line.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 19, 2008 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
I love that he was out there mixing it up. He went AFTER the defender with the clear intention of blowing him up and not just getting in the way. He kinda whiffed, sure, but I really liked the mentality there. That’s the kind of action that make your words mean a little more in the huddle.
by jimbo2psu on Oct 19, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One play
It was in the 2nd half. Threet or Sheridan handed the ball off to whoever, started to fake like they still had it…and got BLOWN UP. They didn’t show the replay, the ESPN crew didn’t mention it, but I heard the hit over the broadcast. I didn’t even get to catch who it was that laid the lumber.
It was noticeable in the 2nd half that our players got their heads out of their asses and started lighting Michigan up. We had quite a few nice physical hits after halftime.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Oct 18, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Odrick?
That was a nice hit! If I remember correctly, I think that was Odrick on the play
by Ncfootball on Oct 19, 2008 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I like about this team
1. I am not scared being down because I know this Offense can score.
2. There is a lot of leadership on this team.
3. We have backups that can play. It is great to finally have a team with some depth and able to put in backups if some players not playing great.
by jetskijoe on Oct 18, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not even after Kelly's first FG attempt
did I panic. There would have been plenty of other years where that would not have been the case. I found myself quite calm and told myself that this year it was simply way too early in the game to panic. Not with this team. I think after the 2nd MI series where we forced a punt (I believe this would have been the series right before the TD to Norwood at the end of the half), I started to feel like things had changed. When we scored to make it a 17-14 I absolutely felt the game was over.
Now, I was watching at the in-laws and couldn’t hear too much of the play-by-play so could someone tell me what the announcers take was on the Butler TD that was ruled incomplete and the review upheld the call on the field? Man, was I not looking at the replay right or didn’t that ball pop out AFTER he pulled it in, crossed the goal line and eventually hit the ground?
One last thought, I actually think the play that turned the game around was the line-drive punt in the 1st half where the MI ass-wipe decided to take a 90-degree turn to pop DWill and got flagged for the personal foul. It just seemed like at that point the good guys in blue sort of all just wiped their noses with their forearms, grabbed their belt buckles to hitch up their pants and said “You probably oughtn’t of done that, son. Lookie up that that clock. It’s only the second quarter. ’Bout time for a lesson to get started. Class is in session!”
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Oct 18, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Man, was I not looking at the replay right or didn’t that ball pop out AFTER he pulled it in, crossed the goal line and eventually hit the ground?”
If you go to the ground on your own while catching a ball, you have to maintain control all the way through to the ground. That’s the rule (pretty much word for word from the rulebook, so you can look it up). Butler went to the ground on his own (because he was falling forward off balance) and lost control of the ball when he hit the ground. That’s not a catch.
I was really surprised that the ref there actually was able to see that, but it was the right call. Had it been called a TD on the field, it would’ve been overturned. This wasn’t a “not enough evidence” thing.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 18, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
or does Aaron Maybin remind anyone of Lawrence Taylor the way he comes around the edge and blind-sides the quarterback? Is anyone like me in that you knew the quarterback was about to fumble when Maybin was still four steps away from him?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 18, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude is crazy fast
That and it looked like we got solid contributions from all of the defensive line as we rotated guys in. Depth looks great even after our culling of the herd in the offseason
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2008 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a Q&A
in the game day program, Maybin states he was always a fan of Lawrence Taylor, that LT was always “one of my favorites all-time”. (pg. 80) Like you I just knew the fumble was coming.
by Joe 96alum on Oct 19, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I know Derrick Williams gets all the attention on special teams, but my special teams MVP so far this year is Nate Stupar. That dude is a player.
Not only has he been out there blocking for all those big DWill runbacks, but he’s consistently the first guy on the scene on kickoff coverage, and tonight he finally got to the punter and blocked a kick. I’m so happy for him and excited to see what this kid can do as an every down player.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 18, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many guys on the team can say “I Beat the Space Emperor (Of Space)”?
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 18, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats!
I knew that lead was too good to last.
by Oak Park Dave on Oct 19, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Dave
And know that you guys did manage to bring up some nasty feelings in our guts as we started so poorly. You’re a good sport and we are thankful to have guys like you who stop by and be the ‘classy fan’.
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2008 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Points of note:
On the D-Will pass, my thought process ended up being, “Throw it D-Will!!! ..NOT LIKE THAT!!!!” >0 <—- Artist’s rendition of my reaction. Where’s Matt Rice when you need him?
- Maurice Evans looks like he is finally returning to form. Won’t necessarily show up on the stat sheet, but he did a decent (not perfect) job in controlling the running lanes. As well, he used a great swim move to completely stun his blocker and went in untouched to make a hit on the QB just as the ball was being released. Definitely a sign of progress.
- We have a young core of starters-to-be that will be very talented in the coming years. Adding to the backup trio of WRs and Astorino, Stupar is starting to see some more statistical results from his hard work. And Mauti is really starting to show his ability when given the chance. His hit on McGuffie during the kickoff return – the one that quite violently separated player from ball – was quite a thing to behold.
- Any idea what’s going on with Boone? Last year, he was on fire. This year, a bit back and forth, until these past couple of weeks where he’s seemingly returned to form. I know when Kapinos first started, there were some complaints of him out-kicking the coverage. I wonder if they talked to Boone about the same thing, and trying to have him adjust his punting style really threw him off. Or maybe he just sucked for a couple games. Either way, nice to have him pinning opponents deep(er), instead of shanking every other punt.
by IcersGuy on Oct 19, 2008 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My theory on Boone
It’s easier to get in a rhythm when you are punting six times a game. This year he only gets two or three chances, so when one only goes 40 yards it’s more noticeable.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 19, 2008 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
There may be some element of truth to that, but I think a good punter can overcome this. Hundreds of punts during a week ensure that he should be able to pick up any football, anywhere, anytime and have reasonably good results. He punts during pregame warmups, during practice all week, and I think it’s no different during a game other than possibly a mental block. A check for this may be to see if his punts tend to get better later in the game…that is, if his 2nd, 3rd or 4th punts tend to be better than his 1st?
by jimbo2psu on Oct 19, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Icing on the cake
Over at mgoblog there’s a fanpost of someone’s experience at the game, and we weren’t a bunch of assholes. Go us.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 19, 2008 3:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seemed pretty mellow, but there also weren’t as many UM fans as I would have expected. I think being in the midst of their worst season ever might have kept some fans home.
by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 20, 2008 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
none of the UM fans that I came across acted like jerks or taunted the home fans. Pretty much everyone I talked to (before, during, and after the game) said something along the lines of “I just came to tailgate, drink some beers (Yuengling) and hope my team doesn’t get obliterated by you guys, and can maybe put together a coherent quarter or 2” Well, they got their wish, and we got ours.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents..
Not to steal TheMightyMike’s thunder, my happy thoughts and great gems:
- Coaching staff: Besides the obvious LB changeouts I love whatever they told those boys at half to get the fire back. Way to go JoePa, TBrad and co
- Mauti: kid hits like a freakin truck. Great pickup this year and I think he could be a future great
- Royster: Guy is money. Great heart when running and never stops moving his legs
- WR’s: Man I will miss those guys next year! Great routes and they never quit after a drop
- Astorino: seems to be everywhere.
- D-Line: great job and everyone put in the kind of performance we need to see against tOSU
- Special Teams: ‘nuff said. They came and contributed huge
- DClark: I love you to death. You had another incredible leadership presence out there like no other. Now… don’t get yourself killed out there… please!
My not so gem-like thoughts:
- Bad starts: that has gotta come to an end
- Spielmann and Mark May: You guys are neck and neck in my anti-PSU d-bag voting. I may actually give out two awards if this keeps up
- the Zuggernaut: no sightings this week! We miss you, man!
- Green up the middle: unless it is a screen I don’t think I ever want to see this play again
- 2005 footage: may we never see that shiite again
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2008 4:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obligatory "Mark May is an asshat" comment here
His wet dream involves USC and a Costco-sized tub of KY jelly. What a douchebag.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Oct 20, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notes from the game / tailgate
The crowd seemed very pleasant to Michigan — maybe we just knew there was nothing to be nervous about and so people just celebrated. All the Michigan fans I saw looked pretty happy to be there, not threatened.
Can someone confirm where Maybin was the first half? I could swear that even with another group of people with binoculars we couldn’t find him on the field, on the sidelines, anywhere. Then the second half he pops in all of the sudden… at least it seemd that way.
The crowd was very subdued the whole game, we got it together a couple of times — the safety was awesome, same with the Maybin forced fumble, and all the defensivce 3rd downs, but I couldn’t help but notice that everyone was expecting a win and just enjoyed the game. Contrast that with the 2006 crowd and you’re talking about pure unadulterated anger and venom followed by self-loathing and bitterness. 8pm vs. 4:30 has a lot to do with that.
Clark has a calming effect on the team, and even the fans. When he’s got the ball everyone just relaxes. Wierd.
by millzners on Oct 19, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With the year clark is having......
what is the over/under that he will declare for the NFL at the end of this season? 40%?
by Lovethosefreakinnittanylions on Oct 19, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point
I can’t think of many other qb’s better this year.
Colt McCoy
Chase Daniels?
DC has a nice combo of size, speed, leadership. If you are a top 4 qb, you have to jump. Next year PSU should be OK, but losing those WR’s will hurt any QB.
by SweepTheLeg on Oct 19, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely...
NO WAY!
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 19, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
It’s extremely rare for quarterbacks to leave early. He’ll come back next year.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 19, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would
You come back? If I am a top 4 qb…I am taking the money..
It’s not unheard of for a one year starter to jump, Akli Smith is an example…granted he stunk in the pro’s but DC is better.
by SweepTheLeg on Oct 19, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
If you’re a top 4 QB you have to go. But he won’t be. Not with guys like Chase Daniel and Colt McCoy out there.
Trust me. He’s not going pro unless he wants to be a third round running back like Mike Robinson.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 19, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Chase Daniel, Colt McCoy, name 2 other guys better.
I hope he comes back but name some other guys.
by SweepTheLeg on Oct 19, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things against Clark going pro after this year
(In my opinion, for what it’s worth…and in no particular order)
1) 1 year of experience is too small of a sample size for NFL GM’s to risk such an investment on.
2) Ball security is a major issure.
3) He can make you miss, but doesn’t have the speed needed to be any type of dual-threat in the pro game. The list of “The Next Michael Vick”s is getting longer every year.
4) He hasn’t had to be “the man” yet in the sense that he hasn’t had to take the team on his back and win a game with his arm.
That said, he does throw a very good ball, good touch on the deep ball, good arm strength, has the head to know when to zip one in there and when to use some touch, and when to throw it away. Another year at college would only help him, I think.
by jimbo2psu on Oct 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who declares...
I’m not going to say these QB’s are “better”, but they likely are better perceived due to more experience. To go along with Daniel and McCoy, you have Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman to all look at – again, it depends for some of these guys if they want to declare early or not.
It’s well known that great numbers in college don’t always translate to greatness at the NFL level. (I’m sure Andre Ware can tell you all about that one.) If Clark is smart, he’ll stay to learn/develop more and prove he can adapt to the pros. Matt Ryan never lead Boston College to any great bowl games, but the Falcons thought he was more than ready to be a top 5 pick and has turned out decently in his rookie season.
by IcersGuy on Oct 19, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"he'll stay to learn/develop more"
under the great QB coach that is Jay Paterno. Again, I’m first to give him props on the offense this year, but I still say his QB development skills are pretty lacking (though maybe the Robinson/Clark type of QB is one he can develop)
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about learning/developing. It’s about showing the scouts enough. One year of starts isn’t enough for scouts to decide whether or not you’re for real, especially if you’re not ripping up college football, which Clark isn’t.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
I’ve stated before that the money in the NFL isn’t often going to go to a guy with only a year of film to show. Notice how Tim Tebow is still in college. Already has a MNC ring (albeit as backup) and the Heisman.
I was just trying to point out the amsuing comment made about staying to learn/develop, when we continually bash the person teaching him about their inability to actually teach/develop (traditional) QBs.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh heh...
yeah…perhaps my wording there wasn’t the most “accurate” choices, eh? It was actually meant more as situational/game experience learning rather than actual coaching. (Sidenote, MRob was named the starting fullback for San Fran this past weekend…) And yes – you’ll get this through playing more games, giving the scouts more to watch.
Remember, you can give them all the film they can get their hands on. But if they don’t see value/growth, they’re not gonna care.
by IcersGuy on Oct 20, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow. And the media could make cases for Stafford and Harrell.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 21, 2008 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't see it happening
He still isn’t a highly regarded QB. I would love to see a pro scouts report on him.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Oct 19, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL teams won’t jump on a single-year starter anymore – not high in the draft. College QBs without significant start experience almost universally fail in the NFL.
Without a doubt, he won’t be going – he wouldn’t be a first day pick, much less a first round pick. And he can be that next year, too.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
What about Joe Flaco? I would prefer a guy at major D1 level with one year than 2 at Del?
by SweepTheLeg on Oct 19, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco got jumped on early, and it’s not like he’s doing well. But yes, you would prefer a guy with 2 at Delaware over 1 at Division 1A. The starts don’t help the QB. They help the scouts in figuring out how good the QB really is.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something Else to Consider
2009 looks to be the last year of the current NFL CBA. It is likely that the rookie salary structure will be redone in the next CBA, meaning 2009 could be the last ‘bonanza’ year for rookies. You’ll see more juniors declare for the upcoming draft than you normally would.
However, Clark is likely not going to be a top QB prospect if he declares. That lessens the effect of what I just described.
by Kunk on Oct 20, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 is the last year of the current NFL CBA. Next year is the last capped year. 2010 is an uncapped year, but is still in the current CBA.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was happy to see Devlin come in
Pulling the starters on um. Brings a tear to my eye. 8-0 BITCHES!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 19, 2008 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you
get 5 yards positive when you give up a safety?
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on Oct 19, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I asked myself the same question
The only thing I can think of is maybe some statistical quirk where they started the drive on the 15 and ended up punting from the 20.
by borisborisboris on Oct 19, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I saw that, I figured that the yards lost ...
during the safety weren’t included. Also, wasn’t there a penalty against them. So, they probably had 5 yards gained during first & second downs. The question is if those yards lost during the safety should have been included or not.
by Elihu on Oct 19, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One complaint
I have is too many QB sneaks. They need to turn around and hand it to Royster, because strangely Clark really isn’t that good at the QB sneak. Royster will find the hole for one yard, and like the 4th & 1 against Wisconsin last year he may break through the first wave and go all the way. The coaches must be trying to hide things in their short-yardage package from tOSU.
Glad to see Green push the score into the 40’s, the 46-17 final won’t cause any double-takes among poll voters who only saw the final score.
by Joe 96alum on Oct 19, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My hidden gem: Michigan
No way did I think they could hold a 10 point lead on PSU late in the 2nd quarter. Michigan came to play and played at their absolute best, but they just don’t quite have the talent to put it together for 60 minutes. I’d rather beat a team playing at their best than beat a team that rolls over midway through the first quarter.
It makes the new winning streak against Michigan more satisfying.
by Cairo on Oct 19, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My highlights
I rewatched the second half last night and I could not stop replaying the following two plays again and again:
1. Stupar blocking the punt by first slamming in to the blocker and pushing him back far enough for Nate to get his hand on the ball. Also, the way he’s blowing up returners on kick coverage maybe he’s in on the hard hits contest with Bowman and Mauti.
2. The TD screen to Greene. He ran along behind his blockers until the hole opened up and then, in about two strides he’d left everyone behind. Unbelievable acceleration and top gear.
by confirmy on Oct 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Iowa is ruining it for everyone
That Greene kid is pretty good too, although I prefer the one with less vowels.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Oct 20, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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