My Analysis of the Big Game
I just finished reading Mike's great post about the statistical matchup on Saturday and I started to write a response, but I realized it was too long to put there so I deceided to make it a FanPost.
Two weeks ago, I along with most of you, were feeling pretty confident that PSU could roll into Ohio State and get a W. Then last week happened. PSU and Michigan had a knockdown, drag 'em out first half that ended with alot of us fans deficating in our pants. While at the same time, it appeared as if Ohio State had awakened from its season long slumber. On the surface this is a cause for concern, but stopping for a minute and looking at the matchups and possible gameplans you will see that PSU is a hands down favorite to win on paper.
First, let us take a look at Ohio State. Over the year they have struggled against a lot of teams -- most notably the loss at USC, and the nail bitters at Wisconsin, and against Purdue. Looking for a resounding pattern in those games is hard to do.
- The Purdue and Wisconsin games in my opinion can be chalked up to the impotence of the offense. Their defense helped their team hang around. But looking at both of those opponents' offenses will tell you why they hung around. They are one dimensional, as we all found out when we played them. Wisconsin will run even with 9 guys in the box, and Purdue is sold out to basketball on turf. The defense surrendered some points but also created key turnovers that helped swing the balance to the Buckeyes.
- The USC game is easy to analyze and in a lot of ways I think is the best indicator of PSU's chances on Saturday. USC employs a varied attack that utilizes different running backs, a plethora of recievers and at the time a decently mobile QB. Does that sound like any team you know? While I will admit the talent level isn't the same. The experience for PSU is greater, and most of the time that that will make a big difference. USC was able to get the ball into a number of recievers' hands and just kept the OSU defense out of rhythm the entire game.
So, that brings us to last week when the Poison Nuts awoke to the tune of 45-7 against a highly regarded MSU team. On the surface this is impressive, but stop and take a quick look at the key stats in the game. Michigan State lost 5 turnovers. Ohio State 0. That is pretty significant. I was unable to find the number of points off of turnovers but there were at least 6 as a fumble was returned for a TD. The second major stat is 52 yards rushing for MSU. Javon Ringer was shut down, and for a team that became overly reliant on his play this was a kiss of death. The main reason he was shut down was because of the lack of downfield threats and a deep depth chart at WR for the Spartans. They were unable to get good matchups against the secondary and with their run game shut down it was a snowball effect.
I truly doubt Penn State will be shut down the way MSU was on Saturday. I think that the depth at WR (ten players with TD receptions) coupled with the mobility of Clark will open up the passing game. The vaunted secondary of the Buckeyes will be forced to either cover slot WRs with a LB (Williams in the slot versus Laurinaitis anyone?) or pull a saftey out of coverage thus leaving deep ball open. Also, the offensive balance the Lions have will be on display if they can get the run game going. OSU will not be able to sell out to the run like they did against Wisconsin, and Michigan State. They also cannot sell out against the pass like they did against Purdue. There are too many threats and not enough speed defensively to shut the offense down consistantly.
Also, looking at the several close games the Buckeyes have been involved in, you see that the offense was stagnant. Part of this can be attributed to the poor play of Pryor, but also the lack of balance offensively. If you shut down the run of OSU as the Wisconsin defense was able to do you force Pryor to beat you with the pass game, something he has struggled to do this year. I think we have more than ample speed and skill on the defensive front to help make Pryor's decision making a little hurried. Also if you watched the big TD pass he had last week at MSU Pryor just floated that ball up there for the receiver to catch. I would hope our senior-laden secondary can make a play or two on a ball like that.
Bottom line is this, the score of the MSU game is misleading, MSU shrunk to the challenge last week and did nothing to counteract some bad turnovers and the game got away from them quickly. If PSU does not turn the ball over this game is a PSU win. But give up several turnovers early and this game might get interesting.
Just my two cents worth.
Also: I didn't expect this to become a front page post so I feel like I need to add something. The only times all year that PSU has been in a dog fight is from their own doing. Purdue should not have been as close as it was, but the vanilla gameplan directed it that way. I hope the offense opens it up and uses the plays that have been run all season long. A Wisconsin-like opening of the play book would be awesome. The other time the Nits struggled was from turnovers and sloppy tackling in last weeks first half. They made some adjustments defensively, and the offense eventually came around and took over the game.
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Let's hope you are right
I think our balanced attack will definitely pose problems for their defense…but I also think their defense will pose problems for our offense. Turnovers do seem to be key, since it seems that a lot of OSU’s points this season have come off of turnovers.
Let’s hope for a great game by PSU, and for the mediocre OSU of recent past to come out as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 23, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have added
that the OSU front 7 is nothing to really fear. They are above average at best.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Oct 23, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
14 points
on 2 scoop and scores and they got a few other short fields from the turnovers. There were only 17 points or something off of drives over 55 yards I think?
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on Oct 23, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the imput...
so do you think if we don’t have any turnovers we can score more than 17 points?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Oct 23, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wisconsin was able to score that many being one demensional...
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Oct 23, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I believe that is a valid statement!
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said......
I hope the staff showed the team the tape from two years ago. PSU is in the game (AT COLUMBUS MIND U) until AM throws two pic sixes in a matter of minutes! If we hold on to the ball and play defense……PSU wins this game by 14~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF we lose the turnover battle….our NC chances can easily go up in smoke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Oct 23, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As and addendum.....
Look for the PSU TE’s to play a much larger role in the passing game this week as they will most likely be matched up on Linebackers all night due to OSU cover schemes designed to limit the effectiveness of our WR’s. This is Quarless and Shurler’s opportunity to shine. I would also like to see the staff use Green in some passing situations as he creates huge mismatches coming out of the backfield!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Oct 23, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely....
i’m hoping for Quarless (especially) to establish the middle. His off-the-field issues and injuries continue to obscure the most talented tight end in the Big Ten whose name isn’t Travis Beckum (a technical H-back anyway). Also, we can not run enough screens on Saturday to satisfy me. The only issue i’m apprehensive about is running between the tackles and with our line, Green’s speed/escability and Royster’s patience and vision we cannot go far wrong. I also wanna see Deon streaking down the field for one of his patented diving grabs, watching Daryll overshoot on the out-routes is wearying me of them, at least give me 2-3 legit vertical attempts. On the defensive side obviously we probably will creep Rubin into the box (unless we run some 4-4 sets a la Wiscy, which might not be a bad idea) and Sweatervest will be banking on the play-action…let him…this game will be decided on the ground.
hopes Maybin wipes his ass with some TP
by conquering lion in the 215 on Oct 23, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw highlights
last night on the Big10 network of the OSU-MSU game, and one of Pryor’s passing TD’s was a ball he lobbed down the field and two MSU defenders literally fell off of the receiver and the receiver waltzed into the endzone. With other highlights I’ve seen of Pryor this year he stares down his receivers like a serial killer. Pryor is too inexperienced to win a game like this, I’m confident the Lions will bring home a win.
by Joe 96alum on Oct 23, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, Pryor was a "man among boys" in H.S., but now he is just a boy among men...
and I doubt he has felt a hit from anyone that is as punishing as a hit from Bowman or Maybin.
Once we knock the wind out of him the first time, it’s going to fu*k up his entire universe.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Oct 23, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pryor
I’m interested to see what happens to this kid when things don’t go well for him. I couldn’t stand watching all the trash talking he was doing against Wisconsin and MSU. I’m more and more glad this kid went to OSU because I get the feeling his “all about me” attitude is going to tear the team apart when he starts seeing a little adversity.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 23, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right...
something never did sit well with me about him…I could never put my finger on it but oh well…Mike thanks for posting this on the front page it is an honor.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Oct 23, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pryor reminds me of A-Rod
all this hype, undeniable talent, ability to put up some big #’s and games…but an “all about me” attitude (and hopefully they share the same “crumble in big situations” and “shy away from adversity” aspects as well)
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 23, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Pryor leave his hot wife
to nail Madonna?
by PSU Mudder on Oct 23, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree 100%
I am so glad we went with Clark. I never expected this from him. He shows his leadership and isn’t afraid to say it is my fault. I noticed with Pryor he wants to blame it on everyone else and they even said in one of the games he is quiet and doesn’t talk to may people. With Clark on the ohter hand you get that leadership role. It is great to see that I just wish we would have saw more of him last year.
by jetskijoe on Oct 23, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
I see Clark spending a lot of time alone on the bench… I havent seen the M-Rob style of leadership you’re referring to.
You find out life's this game of inches. And so is football.
by BleedingBlue4Psu on Oct 23, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He leads in his own way.
Contrary to almost every other PSU team I’ve seen in the past 10 years, this team has a wealth of leadership. Clark leads quietly, and lets his execution and coolness under fire calm guys down. He’s always willing to concede credit to others on his team. Sometimes he needs a pickup and guys like AQ can do that. Players like Shipley and Sean Lee are more direct and in your face types of leaders. DWilliams is somewhere in the middle.
by Cairo on Oct 24, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if. . .
Pryor had chosen Penn State? Sure that would’ve been a big recruit for us, but is Penn State where it is today with Pryor at QB? Even if he’s benched in year 1, is DC THIS good while constantly looking over his shoulder, if not because of job insecurity then because of the media circus that would’ve surrounded PSU’s third string QB?
by The IC Lion on Oct 23, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DC is throwing laser
TP is throwing punts
by queler on Oct 23, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on a couple of points
The first being I’m glad he went to OSU, too. I haven’ watched a lot of OSU this year, but when I have and I’ve seen Mr. Outta-my-way-i-wanna-do-it-all come up with a big play I haven’t seen his teammates going out of their way to congratulate him. I read just a week or two ago where even some of his teammates thought it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Boeckman to see more snaps and the O go more to a 2 QB scheme.
On other points brought up, first one being in comparison to USC. I would submit that (let me set the Koolaid down for a second) Daryl Clark could be a bigger challenge for OSU than Mark Sanchez. I think Mr. Sanchez deserves some of the accolades that he gets, but is somewhat overrated because he is a QB from USC and that just automatically means “star” to some pundits. Also remember that, judging by final scores at least, OSU did not have “decisive” victories over Ohio or Troy State. How do you think we’d do against those two teams?
I think this game would be a good opportunity to send a message to future highly recruited quarterbacks. “Remember, if you come to PSU at least your guaranteed to not have to play our defense for your entire college football career. Think about that before you make a committment to another Big 10 school.”
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Oct 23, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Maurice!
I wonder if TP has ever gotten laid out in a game? I’ve only seen his Sportscenter plays
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tressel Map Making
I hae seen this in a couple articles and it just makes me laugh…
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/pennstate/s_594702.html
Was Tressel using a Candyland gameboard as his map?
by Spats on Oct 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pryor probably wouldn't know the difference
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 23, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
This is as big a game as I can remember in a long time (maybe 2005; hell, that’s not that long ago, but I live for these kinds of games). I just want to get this over with. 11:00pm Saturday is going to bring one of two things: either a fantastic adreneline rush mixed with incredible pride, or absolute devestation (Don’t get me wrong; I definitely think we have the better team if the coaches coach to win).
I agree with your assessment of the OSU-MSU game. Losing 5 TO’s will kill you. And I was absolutely stunned when I watched Pryor’s TD pass that it wasn’t picked off. And then the two defenders fell over each other. That, to me, is not a Pryor highlight; that’s a MSU lowlight.
And Pryor has not seen a defense like ours. I say we bring the line and LB’s so that Wells and Pryor can’t find any daylight, and let the secondary on their own. OSU’s receivers are okay. Ours are better. If they can’t lock them down, we don’t deserve to win. But I’d bring the house from all different angles and stunts and get in Pryor’s head. I don’t think he’s ready yet.
One other suggestion: don’t run Green up the fucking middle. He’s not a pile mover.
by Ab4PSU on Oct 23, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Green up the gut
I have posted this same kind of message in every thread that even comes close to mentioning it…
If I see them run Green between the guards again on 3rd and 1 I am going to fucking scream and rant like a drunken Tourett’s syndrome sufferer who spent a few tours in the Navy followed by a short stint as a construction worker who was injured on the job and had to become a truck driver who watches Deadwood and Scarface a lot.
Note: As a precautionary measure, the wife and daughter will not be in the house for this Saturday’s game.
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 24, 2008 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this, coupled with marching around your front yard with Gameday signs
priceless…do you think you can set up a webcam?
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it strange?
I feel more confident that PSU will pick up a 3rd & 11 than a 3rd & 1.
Your wife and daughter sound hot.
by Cairo on Oct 24, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't that strange
I’ve always been more confident in Penn State’s ability to get the 3rd and long rather than the 3rd and short. It always seems we do better on them. Maybe it is because they generally perform better than the low expectations, though probably actually convert fewer chances. Or maybe it is because there are more options that spread the defense out, opposed to letting the defense stack the box as we run it up the gut on them (sorta like how it is harder to move the ball/score from inside the redzone)
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webcam'ing me losing my marbles
I am rapidly approaching some kind of case study as this season plods along and I may end up being some kids thesis in Abnormal Psych someday….
The wife: will most definitely be ‘hot’ when she sees the condition I am in win or lose as I don’t think that the beer in the fridge has a snowball’s chance regardless of the outcome. (weird how that works).
Daughter: is four but has mastered the WE ARE… PENN STATE and is driving all of my Buckeye in-laws nuts with it which makes her most hot! Here’s hoping for my lil’ PSU class of 2026 homecoming queen! (maybe she’ll celebrate our 18th or 19th MNC that year)
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 24, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass on the webcam
TME’s case study sounds like something we shouldn’t really watch in motion. I’ll settle for one still pic of him parading a game day sign around by himself in his SoCal yard. Or one taken by his wife when she comes home and finds him in a fallen pyramid of brewcans with a ‘We Won’ written across his forehead in backwards writing that’s only viewable in the mirror.
pax et amor
by jtothep on Oct 24, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very likely scenario, J
There is a chance either, or both, of those pics come to life.
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Oct 25, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds hot
lol
Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024
by 3Yardout on Oct 25, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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