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Malicious Internet Interrogation with Eleven Warriors

In case you missed it earlier this week, Ohio State blogger Eleven Warriors asked me to talk a bit about the Penn State Nittany Lions. His question was simple: How can Ohio State beat Penn State? A typical question from a Buckeye fan. They don't really care about your team. They just want you to tell them how great they are. But it was fun to play along and Jason was a good sport to answer a few questions from BSD.

BSD: Ohio State struggled to score points against Wisconsin and Purdue with Terrelle Pryor taking the snaps. Then all the sudden they drop 45 points on Michigan State. Was this a fluke or did Tressel finally hit on something and we should expect this kind of output from now on?

11W: The 45 on Sparty was just the result of several things coming together.  The offense played a good game, but I'm not sure the bulk of the scoring was the result of any real tweaking on offense.  The points were really just a product of several things.  Pryor hit that big run on the 2nd play of the game and then Beanie hit a reverse field run and that opened up things inside and in the passing game.  The defense also played it's finest game of the year, coming away with five takeaways and the bulk of them lead to points.

There were some new wrinkles, like a new starter at right guard and Pryor throwing to the fullback and tight ends out of the read option, but overall, the gameplan was very similar to what you saw against the other Big Ten teams we've played already.


BSD: When Tressel made the decision to bench Boeckman it sounded like there was some division on the team over who the quarterback should be. But they say winning cures everything, and since then the Buckeyes have won three straight. Do you think the team is fully behind Pryor and Tressel or do you think some of that division still remains?

11W: I think you hit it on the head alluding to winning taking care of some of that, but some players still don't appear to be sold.  After the offense struggled against Purdue two weekends ago, tight end Jake Ballard came out in favor of the two quarterback system.  There were rumors of other players not quite on board with Pryor running the show -- Todd is, by all accounts, a guy that is extremely well-liked on the team (he's handled his benching as a senior captain with a ton of class).

Another tight end, Rory Nicol, called the linemen out in meeting for playing like girls against the Boilermakers and then the Buckeyes go out, hang 45 and Pryor ices another road win.  All of a sudden, not a peep on the team.  The rumblings may come back, especially if he struggles Saturday night, but for now, there's calm.


BSD: Convince me that I should be worried about Pryor’s ability to throw the ball.

I can't.  He's not going to consistently thread balls into tight coverage or perfectly lead his receivers, or even be on the same page as his receivers.  What you should be worried about, however, is his ability to execute the the play that every mobile quarterback presents outside the pocket.  You know the ones.  Your linebacker is running with a tight end and Pryor takes off towards the line of scrimmage, so the backer has to make the play on the run and then, at the last minute, he pulls up and hits the wide open tight end.  And its distant cousin: the broken play-receiver going deep play that sucks all of the wind out of a defense.

As a pure passer, he's not going to beat you (yet).  But imagine a star running back who touches the ball on every play and can throw it a little.  Nothing to worry about, really.


BSD: Penn State is arguably the best offense Ohio State has faced all year. The other candidate, Southern Cal, torched the Buckeyes for 35 points. How do you think the Buckeyes will try to defend against the Penn State offense?

11W: You guys are going to hate hearing this, but I think Southern Cal is in another class offensively than Penn Sate.  It's USC and then everybody else when it comes to gameplans on that side of the ball.  BYU has the diversity, but not the athletes (and just for good measure, USC's OC is a former BYU QB).  LSU has near the athletes, but not the playbook.  Offensive football is woven into the fabric of Californians.  I know, I know... Oregon State.  But that's just how USC rolls.  After Penn State waxed them, they did not deem that a big enough game to get up for.

Saying that, I think Penn State is clearly the 2nd-best offense the Buckeyes will see this year.  With so many weapons, even a defense with the talent that Ohio State has is not going to be able to stop everybody on every play.  One thing the Buckeyes will definitely do is take the ball first if they win the toss.  Tressel has done that every game since starting Pryor and is banking on points on that first drive (which is happening at about a 60% rate).  Anything to help put a little pressure on the Penn State offense.

From there, I'd imagine OSU will run a lot of man coverage as they have finally seen the light with regards to coverage philosophies.  I'd suspect they'll probably run with a nickel more often than they did last week (while it was close), but not that much more.  Royster and Clark both present dilemmas on the ground and they will need three linebackers on the field to contain them.  As good as the PSU line is, I'm worried Ohio State won't get the type of pressure I'd like to see, so they'll have to rely on solid tackling and hoping for some turnovers.


BSD:  Let’s say God came down from heaven in the middle of the night while you were fast asleep in your Troy Smith jammies with the trap door in the back for “easy access” and gave you the following offer. You can either lose this Saturday and go on to beat LSU in the Capital One bowl, or you can win this Saturday and go on to suffer another humiliating loss in the BCS Championship game. Those are your only two options. You must decide now or God will have the NCAA retroactively reverse the pass interference call and take away the 2002 National Championship. Which would you chose?

First of all, they're Krenzel pajamas.  But if I had to make that choice, it's a no-brainer.  Bring on LSU (or Florida, or Georgia -- anyone from the SEC).  If the Buckeyes do lose Saturday, I'll be cheering for an unbeaten season from you guys and a crystal football for the conference.

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Still worried...

Because I feel OSU comes out playing their hardest, and the first 2 possessions will be a reflection of how the game will go.

Consistent stops by us will make me feel a lot better.

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Oct 24, 2008 8:47 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm impressed

at the last answer. Seems like a conference-first kind of guy (which is a rarity from the fake state)…although I guess if you could choose between losing a regular season game and a bowl game it does sound like kind of a no-brainer. How about the offensive (pun) comparison between our O and USC’s? I don’t think its that clear-cut that USC is better than us on offense, does anyone else??? I could probably be convinced on this but I’ll need to hear something good.

by jimbo2psu on Oct 24, 2008 8:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that they are about the same...

I alluded to that point in my fanpost yesterday. USC has better weapons, but the experience of the Lions more than makes up for that. USC and PSU are the best offenses in the country. You can name anyone else you want, but NOONE has the balance and depth of PSU or USC.

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Oct 24, 2008 8:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love

How confident the Buckeyes are.

by millzners on Oct 24, 2008 9:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go over and read the responses to Mikes post over there...

they are delisional…just because of the rain we are screwed! Did it not rain a couple of times already this year?

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Oct 24, 2008 9:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

they should learn to check weather reports (not that I expect OSU fans to do anything other than rant delusionally, and not live in the world of reality). No rain predicted anymore…unless their field takes 24 hours to dry out….

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 9:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll say it again

It’s not as if PSU players have never encountered rainy conditions before. It’s State College, for goodness’ sake!

by Cairo on Oct 24, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

Maybe in Columbus it only rains on the visitors’ side of the field.

by BSD on Oct 24, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow they really are delusional

there are some reasonable voices on there, but a lot of them are talking like they haven’t watched any OSU or PSU games this year.

Some favorite comments: “who have they beaten this year” um…same thing goes for you OSU guys.

“I don’t see them scoring more than 17 on us”…really? you don’t? Because it seems like teams with lesser offenses than us have been able to pretty much do what they want. And If you don’t see our offense scoring 17 on your defense (which is at least a close matchup), how in the world do you see your offense score more than that on our defense, which is heavily favored matchup for PSU?

I also like the classy threats on PSU fans as “payback”

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

I’m not saying that PSU will definitely beat OSU, since I think OSU does have a good team, and depending on how a few things go, the game could go either way. I just don’t see how they’re so absolutely confident that they’ll beat us. It almost appears like denial on their part that their team isn’t nearly as good as it has been in past years.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The game will be determained by turnovers

If PSU wins the turnover battle this is a PSU win. I don’t see their defense stopping PSU enough to win. But if PSU plays sloppy it could be a ball game.

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Oct 24, 2008 9:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My kid brother is travelling to the game...

I have already told him to be on the look out for classy folks like them.

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Oct 24, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best post is the guy who equates us to the Japanese in WWII and Vietnam

and the smackdown from another poster was equally funny:

“These Penn State fans are AMERICANs and they’re coming for a football game, not to take your civil liberties away”

by PSU Mudder on Oct 24, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the complete randomness of that.

There’s a Jerome Brown/John Bruno “didn’t the Japanese lose the war?” comeback line in there somewhere.

by Cairo on Oct 24, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also the 9/11 references

Apparently Penn State fans are all terrorists because a Pitt fan attacked an OSU fan…though I guess that logic is about as good as the logic of invading Iraq because al-qaida bombing the WTC.

Disclaimer: So as to not get this post off topic, I do not mean to bring any politics into this conversation: just pointing out the ridiculousness of the comments on 11 warriors boards. I will therefore not be replying to any non-football related replies to this comment, unless they somehow revolve around someone’s girl/wife/daughter being hot.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This someone's girl/wife/daughter you speak of

sounds hot.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 24, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great work Mike

 I really like that last question, which is very plausible.

Not in the same class as USC, eh? Let’s see what they’re saying when we’ve put up 35 through three quarters.

Please, Joe, aggressive play-calling. I think we’re in for a high scoring affair here.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 24, 2008 9:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Joe realizes the team has to open it up...

the Purdue game was called tight…But I believe the success in Madison (which was an 8pm start in what pretty much everyone will call the most hostile environment in the big ten) will give Joe confidence to open things up….PLEASE NO MICHIGAN 07 GAMEPLANS!

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Oct 24, 2008 9:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last question/answer

Mike, the question really made me laugh hard – but you should have brought out Stanley Jackson rather than Troy Smith.

I also appreciate the response… that they would cheer for us all the way. I’ve felt torn the past two BCS Championship games, because it is SO hard to cheer for the Bucks (but in the end, you want to see the conference get the crystal), so good to see it from their end.

by Bstoner52 on Oct 24, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like their logic that says...

you can’t look at their results from earier this year since they are a different team now, but you can look at the results of games we played in the ’Shoe in past years as relevant.

by Elihu on Oct 24, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Rooting for the conference

Personally, I’ve always been one to root for the conference/division of my team. I always cheer for the AFC in the superbowl, even if the steelers aren’t in it (although that wasn’t the case last year); I become a fan of other big ten teams in bowl games and march madness, and I even find myself cheering on the (gasp) phillies, because I always, without exception, am a fan of the National League, if only because I hate the DL, and the buccos aren’t exactly competing for playoff berths.

Anyway, it’s nice that this guy says that he’ll be cheering for PSU if we beat the buckeyes and go on to compete for a MNC. But, really, he has to say that. Ohio State is in many ways mostly responsible for the diminished opinion of the big ten around the country, and its in their interest to see the conference regain some semblance of supremacy so that they’re teams are more respected in the future.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 24, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too, generally root for the same division/conference/whatever

Or at least don’t find myself actively rooting against them.
Case in point: I’m a Yankees fan. I didn’t root against them in the World Series in 2004 or 2007 (though I sure as hell didn’t root FOR them).

Some exceptions: I’m rooting for the Phillies in the WS this year, because A) they’re my “hometown” for every other sport, and B) All of my friends from home are Phillies fans.

Disclaimer on being a Yankee fan: I grew up in north Jersey, pretty close to NYC. My dad still lives in Jersey, and is a longtime Yankee season ticket holder (I’m still not sure what I spent more money on this year: travelling to PSU games, or travelling to Yankee games…god living in Michigan sucks). I moved to Philly area when I was 13, and that’s right around when I started liking football and hockey, hence I’m an Eagles and Flyers fan. I do admit, though, that I “rooted” for the Giants as a “fan” for their superbowls back when I lived in Jersey. I still cringe at the thought of that, even though I also rooted for them to beat the Patriots last year.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I root for the Big Ten, except for UM

although now with that win streak monkey off our back, I’ll be rooting for them as well from now on. The irrational hated is over. I hope they do well in the Motor City Bowl.

by PSU Mudder on Oct 24, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

next year?

cuz they don’t look like they’ll be bowling this year

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

USC in another class?

Hard for me to buy that.. To me it all starts up front, and the PSU offensive line appears to have just as much talent and certianly more experience than USC’s young line. Add that to Clark’s mobility, Royster’s vision, and a three senior receiving core, and I can’t agree that USC is in a completely different class. Although I hope OSU does feel this way, it will work out better for PSU.

by 210Tea on Oct 24, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think USC's in another class

So much as just in a different style. I’d take our running game over theirs- especially at the QB position- but their passing game has more big play potential, whether because of play calling or personnel (I haven’t watched enough USC games to know…for shame, I’m aware). We’re comparing a Colts-style offense (when they were good) to something closer to the early 90’s Bills offense (obviously, something I appreciate…it’s not a great comparison, but it’s the best I can come up with…maybe Young’s 49ers?). Bad comparisons aside, I hope some of that made sense? I need coffee.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 24, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

USC

Being a southern californian I am usually force-fed both USC and UCLA games every week on some FSN clone or ABC regional (God bless CFB Gameplan). Watching USC play is terrifying when they are mentally into a game as their talent really is that good. The problem you get with them is that they are all primadonna’s and they only play when they feel like it so they hatch a turd at least once a year on a team that is focused and has no fear of them in conference. Teams OOC are incredibly intimidated by them in person and quickly birth a brownsnake in their BVD’s and get embarassed on national TV.

All that being said, I hate those brush-headed, skirt wearing, payoff taking a-holes and will ALWAYS go UCLA over them as far as the LA fan thing (I won many UCLA shirts but they are still a very distant 2nd to PSU). UCLA or Pepperdine are the only other schools my children are allowed to attend if they (we) want (need) them to stay near home or should Penn State not be in line with their dreams.

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Oct 24, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too

tend to root for Big Ten teams when it comes to the bowl games. That’s usually for the purpose of wanting to see the conference get respect, but in more recent years it has mainly been because the Big Ten gets so many matchups against SEC teams and more than seeing Big Ten teams win I want to see SEC teams lose and maybe get the press to shut up about how great they are.

I have never figured out why when SEC teams beat each other up during the regular season it’s because the conference is so “tough” and the winning team could “match up against anyone”, whereas practically every other conference that sees the same thing is because the losing team was probably “overrated in the first place”.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Oct 24, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because generally

the SEC has had a better out of conference record (or at least appears to have), while the other conferences have been struggling (or done well against cupcakes).

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was anyone else glad

WVU whipped Auburn last night? Thats 2 years in a row now they’ve lost to big east teams right? Outside of Florida, Georgia and Bama, the SEC is terrible this year.

by whiteoutonly on Oct 24, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand

the rationale, but last year (when I really was hearing the “SEC teams have it tough” because all their teams are great) that rationale didn’t explain why IL beating OSU = OSU must not be that great, whereas KY beating LSU = well, sure KY could probably match up against anyone else in the country.

I know when you see how OSU vs LSU turned out, that’s probably not a great comparison, but you know what I mean.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Oct 24, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but that's just it

they were retroactively using the OSU vs LSU comparison (and I guess more importantly they were using the OSU vs Florida comparison from the year prior).

Of coure you didn’t see them using the PSU vs Tennessee bowl game in their arguments, because that didn’t fit with their data.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Guy Almost Had Me

I almost started to think this guy had some sense and then this whopper:

You guys are going to hate hearing this, but I think Southern Cal is in another class offensively than Penn Sate. It’s USC and then everybody else when it comes to gameplans on that side of the ball. BYU has the diversity, but not the athletes (and just for good measure, USC’s OC is a former BYU QB). LSU has near the athletes, but not the playbook. Offensive football is woven into the fabric of Californians. I know, I know… Oregon State. But that’s just how USC rolls. After Penn State waxed them, they did not deem that a big enough game to get up for.

But that’s just how USC rolls. Oh, good explanation. Reason and logic have no place in this discussion, because USC CHOSE to play that way against Oregon State. Makes sense.

Can you make the case that USC has the best offense in the country? Sure. But when the Oregon State game comes up, people easily brush it away. It couldn’t have been USC’s fault – look at all the other games!

It continues to amaze me how much of a perception boost USC gets.

by Kunk on Oct 24, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry

But I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that USC drops games against teams that have no business playing with them, but completely annihilate teams in big games (save for one Vincent Young).

I thought that was conventional wisdom in the CFB world, but apparently not.

I will explain things to you in more detail next time.

by eleventy on Oct 24, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conventional Wisdom Is the Problem

Just because a small sample size of events have circumstantial similarities, that does not make it undeniable fact.

I also want to make it clear that I was not trying to argue that PSU’s offense was better than USC’s, just that we’ve all become so lazy in regarding USC’s offensive strength. People have so callously brushed it off as “Eh, this is what USC does.” That’s what I don’t like about your argument.

by Kunk on Oct 24, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conventional Wisdom or Not

USC plays well in big games and drops a stinker every season. That’s just the way it is.

by eleventy on Oct 24, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

USC

So you don’t want to give Oregon State any credit? It was all just USC and their annual “fluke game”?

It’s a convenient arguement that takes some of the sting out of Ohio State’s loss to USC and some of the zing out of Penn State’s win over Oregon State.

by BSD on Oct 24, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See above post ^^^

I don’t think they drop a ‘fluke’ as much as the conference teams out here are like a dog that gets kicked every year and no longer has any fear after years of such treatment. These teams play hard and USC comes in half-assed but I do not take anything away from them but I do take something away from USC. These teams that knock them off deserve all the praise a person can lay on em as they beat better talent through discipline and determination while being grossly underpaid outmanned

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Oct 24, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oregon State Played Great

But, you’re kidding yourself if you think that USC doesn’t play at two gears. There’s also the old familiar foe factor that mitigates talent differentials.

Penn State looks fantastic on offense this year. Clearly the 2nd-best offense in the country. But USC is on another level (when they want to be). Just look at the last five year’s worth of recruiting classes. Inexact science, for sure, but the numbers in aggregate have meaning.

I hope you guys hang 35 and I’ll be glad to come back and eat my words.

by eleventy on Oct 25, 2008 12:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine

That’s just the way it is. And you know what, Penn State is better than Ohio State. I don’t care what happens on the field on Saturday. That’s just the way it is.

It’s obvious my argument will never hold any water with you, elevnty. And that’s ok. Delusion sometimes is easier than facing the truth.

by Kunk on Oct 24, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whens the prediction post comin mike?

I’m sure were all antsy to get picks in

"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson

by phishead_psu on Oct 24, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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