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It Would Not Have Been An Important Moment Without A Camera-Phone Picture [Thoughts From Visiting The Shoe]

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Why I took this picture I have no idea. I never remember or care to use the crappy camera on my phone and I probably won’t ever look at this shot again. Hooray technological progress, I guess.

Some thoughts from a visit to Columbus, in no particular order…

  • Before the game, we were pretty much ignored by what I expected to be an obnoxious Ohio State fanbase; turns out they didn't live up to the hype. I mean this is the best way possible. It wasn't an arrogant disregard, but more like the reception you get when walking down the street of a crowded city. Not what I anticipated when reading comments like these at Mike's guest post on 11W:
    Had we said "Oh well we don’t want to be jerks like the Japs" after the bombing of Pearl Harbor I believe we would have lost some respect in the eyes of the world. This is on a smaller scale but It wasn’t just one kid it was hundreds. So im not saying throw beer at people wearing Penn St colors. However verbal abuse is totally within the realm of reason, and god forbid those beavers get mouthy. GO BUCKS!
    Um, okay.

Star-divide

  • The drinking policy on-campus might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever been a part of, and yes I know that's a bold statement from a guy who spent his college years dealing with the PA alcohol laws. So, under no circumstances are you to be drinking beer out of it's natural container; under-cover cops are apparently everywhere and open container tickers, in the $150-$200 range, are handed out liberally. This means that a pour into a red Solo cup, usually in the trunk of a car or behind a tailgate tent, is a precursor to actually drinking. It's perfectly okay to walk around with these Solo cups, and get as loaded as you please, but not out of aluminum or glass. There might not be a better example of a more backwards law anywhere in America. It has the effect of not curbing drinking in the slightest but doubling the amount of trash left behind in the parking lots.
  • In the game, where I would expect the treatment of visiting fans to get worse, things actually got better. The OSU fans surrounding us on all sides were more than friendly and, even when I occasionally bumped into them jumping from seat on big plays, they seemed to not be bothered at all. There was the occasional "Fu*k Penn State" from a passer by, but what are you going to do. That's pretty standard nationwide at this point.
  • Scarlet Fever (aka the red-out) was about as lame as it sounds. On top of not really looking like a sea of anything but Midwestern football fans, they took it a step further and handed out red and white terrible towels (ok, probably not their official name) to maybe 20% of the people in attendance. Ohio State has great fans and an energetic stadium, I don't know why they feel the need to try out all these gimmicks.
  • I'm not sure if this got any TV time, but the S Zone, orchestrated by the Penn State fans lucky enough to get one of the seats in the visiting allotment provided by OSU (at the very top of the corner section), was a nice touch. The small band and what I assume was the PSU parent section below made a lot of noise, often chanting to Seven Nation Army or doing the We Are...that is until it bothered the other 101,000 people in the stadium enough to drive them to end said chant with a series of loud boos.
  • And yes, it was very loud. You wouldn't know it by looking at the box scores (Ohio State was the only team with a false start, of course), but the crowd was very vocal during the first couple of series. It remained loud but with so few big plays it was not that surprising to hear the intensity lose it's edge a bit as the game progressed. I couldn't help but laugh when I saw these two things: (1) the crowd continuing to be very loud when their team had the ball, and (2) the wave starting, in the second quarter, with Ohio State backed up inside their own five yard line. The reason I found it so funny is because I witnessed these same two phenomenons in Happy Valley. Maybe we both need to start using that shooshing grandma that West Virginia has resorted to.
  • They didn't mention this at all inside the stadium, at least not when I was paying attention, but I heard on the radio on the way home that Saturday night was the largest crowd in Ohio Stadium history. I know it's true because I checked it at Wikipedia.
  • After the game, instead of getting attitude, 75% of the fans were either giving us the respectful head nod or simply walking up to us to talk about how they wish JoePa nothing but luck the rest of the season. Now I know part of this is compensation for the responsibility they feel regarding the Big Ten's PR image, but they were genuine reactions none the less. Yes, there were a couple of your more stereotypical pricks, but they were so outnumbered by people with class I don't even feel like I need to tell any of their stories.
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    If you also attended the game, tell us your opinion of the trip in the comments.

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    The small S zone

    Yeah, I saw that on the TV broadcast. Awesome touch of the kids to do that. Reminds me of why I love PSU so much.

    by kmblue on Oct 28, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

    Has anyone seen a photo of this online?

    My satellite was going in and out for parts of the game and I missed it, but would love to see what the students were able to pull off at a away game. Penn State fans rock!

    by lmrlion on Oct 28, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe self-policing is starting to pay off

    The atmosphere that you described is exactly what I witnessed at the Michigan game this year in Happy Valley. Hopefully it’s a trend that continues because I’m very proud of the fact that Penn Staters are considered to be respectful fans traditionally.

    by RNF18 on Oct 28, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

    I was there ...

    Agree completely … is my favorite road trip (have been to Ohio Stadium 3 times before this year). I have never had anything close to a bad experience. One fan explained to me part of the reason for this: the only game OSU fans truly care about is Michigan and everything else, win or loss, is nothing more than a warm-up to Michigan. (i.e., no one gets too riled up at a pre-season game, right?) Lastly, I kind of like the rule that, as long as your beverage is in a red cup you are okay … seems really college-y to me.

    by markawiser on Oct 28, 2008 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

    Hats off to the OSU fans...

    They seem like they treated PSU fans with respect. I hope the PSU fans returned the favor.

    Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

    by Nick7 on Oct 28, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

    I Had a great experience

    Overall I had a great experience, from College Gameday down to the game. Being in the SZone was cool. The OSU fans were great. My only beef is with the drinking policy. I was at the Blue Band tailgate when the cops came and gave out citations left and right. I asked a police officer what the official law is and he said “an open container, even a solo cup, is illegal” I guess that’s why people holding solo cups with beer were getting citations.

    Also, if you’re unfortunate enough to get an underage there, you got to spend the night in jail.

    by PizzaDelivery on Oct 28, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

    Ohio State is so dumb

    The Sea of Scarlet or Scarlet Fever or whatever they call it looks pathetic. It looks like just another Ohio State home game. And when they give the fans white towels to wave around it kind of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?

    If they had any brains they would all wear gray. The concrete structure of the stadium would blend in perfectly as would all the white faces of the people. Even Penn State fans wearing the white road jerseys would blend in.

    FAIL

    by BSD on Oct 28, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

    Nice FAIL...

    That’s funny… now if they do end up switching to that and it looks good, I am so holding you responsible for it and will have my in-laws send you Buckeye thank you cards

    If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

    by TheMightyErik on Oct 28, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Had a great time

    I had an awesome time in Columbus, this is the second time I have seen a football game there, went two years ago, and both time I have had a great time.
    It was funny listening to some OSU fans trying to rationaize the loss after the game, I heard one guy say that “these are the worst two teams ever”. I just wanted to turn to him and say “no, these are two of the best defenses in the country”.
    But all and all I had a great time, no one harrassed me at all before or post game, in fact some of the most obnoxious fans I saw were penn state fans who were trashed and being rediculous, but it is what it is.

    by bluewhite2006 on Oct 28, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

    Isn't the cliche

    ‘football is a copy-cat sport?’

    pax et amor

    by jtothep on Oct 28, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Think about this for a second...

    Half the stadium gets the memo and wears John Deere green. The other half shows up in the usual black and gold.

    It’s going to look like somebody ralphed all over the stands.

    There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

    by leeharvey418 on Oct 28, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    nothing like bastardizing a team sport

    to the point of where the entire stadium wears the color of their star RB’s last name.

    by jimbo2psu on Oct 28, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    can we start our own Green for this one?

    and let him do better than their Greene? At least we know how to spell.

    by The JuggerNitt on Oct 28, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    haha

    somehow, the thought of our own Stephon Green never even crossed my mind. That makes it wayyyy more dumb for them to have a Greene-out to support their RB.

    by jimbo2psu on Oct 28, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    We could have a royster-out

    and everyone has to dress like oysters…I think we should organize this. To the Batphone!

    I bleed Blue and White.

    by Horse N Buggy on Oct 29, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    What about a Clark-out

    Clark bars for everyone!

    but not for indiana – and may I suggest that we do not schedule the Greening for the msu game.

    and why does iowa want their RB to leave?

    by PSUgirl on Oct 29, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

    OMG... how freaking lame is that?

    I actually want them to try this so I can witness how ridiculous it will look

    If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

    by TheMightyErik on Oct 28, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Solo Cup

    no wonder they are a sponsor on the Big Ten Network….they must also have a deal with OSU!

    PSU Softball

    by QBsneak12 on Oct 28, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

    "...jerk like the Japs"

    Dunno where to start with this one. Maybe Lou Holtz can summon the leadership skills of Adolf. He’ll know what to do.

    by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

    The Last 2 Games!!

    Did they announce the game times for the last 2 games yet? I hope at least one of them is a 3:30 Kickoff! I love late afternoon games.

    by KatManDuww on Oct 28, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

    Dunno

    But the Iowa game is being picked up by ABC/ESPN. So you can bank the Indiana game will be on the BTN. That means it will most likely be a noon start.

    by BSD on Oct 28, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Iowa

    has been announced as a 3:30 start on ABC/ESPN regional

    by blogue20 on Oct 28, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    BTN can kiss my...

    Well, you know the rest as I live in SoCal and have no shot in hell of seeing that game if it goes there… :::bastards:::

    If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

    by TheMightyErik on Oct 28, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    My guess is the Indiana game will be BTN material

    since we haven’t played a conference game on there yet. If they forego Indiana and grab the Michigan State game, I will solely burn down the BTN headquarters and take names. I get the BTN but that would be such a dick move. I can’t stand watching games on there, and I certainly don’t want to watch our final 60 minutes for perfection on that moneygrubbing network.

    by blogue20 on Oct 29, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    True

    It’s already slotted for ESPN/ABC regional, but the BTN can pluck two games a year away from ESPN for itself. It wouldn’t surprise me if they try to get the Michigan State game banking on it being Joe’s last home game. But unless Joe comes out and says he’s done after this year you can’t really play up the story line.

    I’m thinking the Indiana game will be on the BTN.

    by BSD on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm worried

    that they’re going to snipe the game against Sparty as well. If Gameday decides to go to the Beav for that game itt’l be a national broadcast on the World Wide Leader. Indiana smells like a BTN game.

    by blogue20 on Oct 29, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree with most of the comments

    The OSU fans were nicer than I was expecting. Yeah, on the walk past some tailgates there were some obscenities thrown at us…basically what you’d expect. I think it also helped not really encountering too much of the student section.

    Re: the open container laws. They are ridiculous. I go to a lot of Yankee games, and tailgate before the playoffs (when they made it), and they have the same ridiculous rules. Most of the cops even go around basically telling people to pour it into a plastic cup. I guess they reserve actually citing people for the obnoxiously drunk ones. I didn’t have any problem in Columbus walking around with 6 Yuengling bottles sticking out of my pockets while holding an Arby’s cup full of beer…guess I got lucky though.

    The stadium is definitely the most impressive I’ve been to outside of Beaver Stadium. Camp Randall is good too, but the atmosphere at the Horseshoe seemed better all around. It was also much louder than Camp Randall (and probably on par with Beaver Stadium).

    I was also impressed with how loud our fans were. Granted, I was in hte middle of the upper deck sections, so it would be loudest for me, but it really did seem quite loud. I wonder if they could even hear us on the field, though :-p

    And yes ,most of their fans were respectful and wished us well for the rest of the season, and hope we bring back the crystal.

    by The JuggerNitt on Oct 28, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

    Our fans are the best

    You could hear “We Are” chants and Seven Nation Army over the television.

    Although somebody at ABC has to turn up the sound on the announcers. They cranked up the crowd noise but you could barely hear the announcers. I think they do this on purpose so you turn up your television which makes the crowd noise even louder in your living room. Kind of adds to the excitement, but when your kids are upstairs trying to sleep it’s not cool.

    by BSD on Oct 28, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    or so commercials play even louder?

    Ever notice how commercials are always a bit louder than whatever show you watch?

    by The JuggerNitt on Oct 28, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well

    it could be worse, my son keeps telling me to picture Madden with him, giving us the blinding obvious as analysis.

    Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

    by 3Yardout on Oct 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Come on -

    “Usually, the team that scores the most points is going to win.” is so true.

    by PSUgirl on Oct 29, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I had an absolute great time. I was aware of the solo cup rule before, and their campus police came around beforehand and even reminded us of that when they saw a case of lager out on the pavement. Very nice of them, and they basically reminded us that “well, we really don’t like doing paperwork at all.” That was awesome of them. My guess is most people who got citations were probably acting like amateurs (as is the case pretty much everywhere).

    The fans at Ohio State, for the 99.9%, were classy as can be. I was sitting with adults in the stadium, and we talked football the entire game in a cordial fashion. Most of the fans in the stadium were nothing but courteous after the game. We did go into the bars across the street after the game, and some of the OSU fans, who seemed more college student aged, were a little ornery, but they were probably sitting in that bar all game and a little bit buzzed.

    The best thing ever was when our tailgate asked 3 passing by OSU fans to do a shot with us. They quickly responded: “No way. You’re from Penn State.”

    I had no idea college students turned down free alcohol, regardless of what color jersey the person pouring is wearing.

    by shadowfax on Oct 28, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

    As a college student, I am shocked and appalled by this behavior. Free alcohol is something to cherished, not turned down because of their creed, kin or color of jersey.

    John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

    by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 28, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    For the most part...

    OSU fans were nice to us…..the occasional “good luck” was thrown our way. It was mostly the real adults who were nice. Once we were in the stadium it was a little different….probably b/c of the booze which flowed heavily throughout the day. Sat in section C8, my father (63) and I were seated near some OSU students.

    “how does 8-1 sound?”

    “31 years is a long time”

    “too bad you guys don’t have Pryor”

    “we own penn state”, was their response to our “we are penn state” cheers.

    But one of the best cheers we had going was when OSU’s band was playing that generic song “Da Da Daaaa Da….HEY……Da Da Daaa Da ……. HEY”

    The entire PSU visitor section made it our own….

    “Da Da Daaaaa Da …… P……..Da Da Daaa Da………..S……….”

    I know for a fact that cheer could be heard on TV. . .it sounded loud to me.

    by Stately NOVA Lion on Oct 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

    stupid OSU

    you never “owned” Penn State. Sure, you guys won all your home games against us since we joined the Big 10, but we wone most of our home games against you.

    Michigan had sole right to chant “WE OWN…PENN STATE!!!” and unless they start to put together another streak against us, I don’t think that chant will last much longer for them.

    by The JuggerNitt on Oct 28, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Owned????? LOL!

    The all-time series is 12-12 with OSU holding a heavy advantage in homes games:

    OSU homes games 14
    PSU homes games 9
    Neutral site games 1

    by RNF18 on Oct 28, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I had a good experience

    Most fans wished us good luck for the rest of the season. There were a few F Us after the game but it was usually followed by a pause, when I ignored them, then a hope you guys go all the way. I also had one guy wishing the Flyers well. I didn’t have the heart to tell him I was from Chicago and a Blackhawks fan.
    The best part was walking down High Street after the game. Every Penn State fan I passed gave a high five. No words had to be exchanged.

    by ageing lion on Oct 28, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

    good experience in columbus

    I also had a good time in Columbus. I went out with 9 other psu students and none of us ever had any trouble. We went there expecting the worst, but all the fans we encountered were good. There were a few students at gameday who got a little rowdy after we started doing the cowbell though.

    "Boy that student section now is up and really making a gigantic amount of noise. You see the sea of white, the white out. Well they are 2 minutes and 28 seconds away from the whiteout of the Buckeyes here tonight." - Ron Franklin

    by rmcmillen50 on Oct 28, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

    Anyone ready to start talking about our next game?

    I heard that they want to shake things up in Iowa City so they are going to make this guy, whose name is Hawkeye, as their new mascot.

    by Lovethosefreakinnittanylions on Oct 28, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

    Columbus

    I was surprised at the number of fans congratulating PSU, and wishing us luck. Very good sportsmanship. I hope PSU can improve here.

    In the bathroom before the game, a guy turned to me and said, “Is JoePa going to crap his pants this year?”…An elderly OSU fan turned to him and said, “Son that is no laughing matter, you will one day question your farts too”. The entire bathroom was laughing. Another older guy said, “yeah, I can attest to that.”

    by Dutchman1350 on Oct 28, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

    Gotta love

    potty humor from old guys!!

    by NJ lion on Oct 28, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wow... that is funny as hell!

    Good for that old dude sticking up for JoePa!

    If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

    by TheMightyErik on Oct 28, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What amazed me about Saturday's game was that it set an attendence record.

    Considering that every other game to them is a preseason game before scUM, and the number of times that they’ve played scUM there, including a #1 vs. #2 game in 2006, and their game with us sets an attendance record. Wow. Guess we’re the most popular Big Ten team. And think, when we played in South Bend in 2006, that was the hottest ticket in their history. We really do have a tremendous fan base. And people think an undefeated Texas Tech would go to Miami over us? No fucking way.

    by Ab4PSU on Oct 29, 2008 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm sorry but...

    as much as it pains me to say it, an undefeated Texas Tech WILL go to Miami over us and they should in my opinion. Their schedule is in another stratosphere compared to ours. I love my Lions to death, but I wouldn’t wish Texas Tech’s schedule on anybody. Now, do I think they will run it? I don’t think that’s likely, which is why if they do, my hat is off to them

    "A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees

    by kajpsu on Oct 29, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Moot point

    Texas Tech, until they start recruiting/employing defense, can’t go 13-0. No matter how good the offense is. That goes for any team in a BCS conference. Not many teams in modern history have gone undefeated by simply outscoring teams. There will always be at least one game where the offense just can’t find a rhythm, thus resulting in a loss.

    by blogue20 on Oct 29, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

    My thoughts:

    -Everyone we met was very nice, very friendly. No complaints at all from the fans. Had a couple of ‘PSU sucks!" lobbed at us, but no piss balloons or beer cans.
    - Special thanks to the parking lot attendant who let us take up an extra space to set up our canopy, thus facilitating the biggest tailgate in our lot (Fawcett Bldg)
    - Tailgating there is odd, and not just the beer-in-cup thing. 90% of the fans parked by us got in their cars and left to go drink downtown. All of the PSU fans stayed and tailgated by their cars, thus turning our parking lot into a fairly big PSU tailgate. Maybe everyone was so nice to us because we outnumbered them!
    - The stadium needs more gates – getting in was nearly impossible. Far worse than anything I’ve seen at Beaver Stadium. Also, how about some signs once you get inside? I had to ask numerous concession stand workers where to go to find C-deck section 6.
    - Huge round of applause to the guys who organized our S-zone, and huge credit to everyone in the S-zone who was going mental trying to make noise. I think my hand still hurt from playing ‘Rock n Roll’ on the bleachers… Can’t wait to re-watch and see how loud we were, especially at the end.
    - For some reason, I thought it would be hysterical to shout out wrong letters to the OH-IO! cheer. So, if you saw a drunken guy randomly yelling out, “HH! I! HO! OI!”, it was me. Every now and then I’d throw an “OH!” at them to keep ’em guessing.

    Great trip, everyone who can should put it on their calendars for ’10.

    by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 29, 2008 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

    Columbus

    This was my first time and i have to agree, it was an amazing time. Friday night we went dowtown to GasGuzzlers (something like that) but they had $1 shots and cheap beer. Then went right next door to Brothers. We all had PSU clothing on and saw some other PSU fans. No one bothered us that night.

    On Saturday we went to RiverWatch – it was an enclosed area w/live bands, big screen tv’s and tons of OSU fans. The worst thing about this was that you could feel they eyes beating down on you but no one really did anything.

    In the game I sat in 8AA and the blue band was a few feet away from us. Great atmosphere even being seated next to an OSU fan and his son. I would agree, anyone who has the chance in ‘10 to get there, go….I’ll be going back.

    by lvlion22 on Oct 29, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

    Bad Ticket

    The only problem I had all weekend was my friend bought fake tickets from a scalper, apparently it is a very big problem in Columbus, they have personnel who log the ticket information to bust the scalpers. Luckily when they took me over to get my information the ushers were too busy handling other people that they were not paying any attention to me so I quickly walked over to the bathroom and followed some Penn State students where they happily squeezed me into the S zone. Penn State people always take care of their own.

    by X-210 on Oct 29, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

    ushers/stadium entrance

    When my friends and I entered the stadium we were surprised at how lax the security was . Sure they had people checking bags as you went in, but you didn’t need to show a ticket at that point. When it comes time to actually have someone scan your ticket it seemed as if you could sneak right in with no problem because the ‘stalls’ are so wide. We literally had to walk back a step just to have our ticket scaned.

    "Boy that student section now is up and really making a gigantic amount of noise. You see the sea of white, the white out. Well they are 2 minutes and 28 seconds away from the whiteout of the Buckeyes here tonight." - Ron Franklin

    by rmcmillen50 on Oct 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    We had one of our crew get in (he had a ticket) without actually showing it to anyone. Odd, but whatever.

    by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 30, 2008 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I would say that could explain the record attendance

    but they can’t count it if they don’t scan it. I wonder what the REAL attendance was…musta been even higher.

    by The JuggerNitt on Oct 30, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Thanks to OSU

    I would echo all the sentiments posted here. With the exception of one extremely drunk hostile old man after the game and the occasional student on the street, all of the Buckeye fans were very gracious hosts. I was expecting the worst and my friends and I got the best.

    by sam302psu on Oct 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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