What is wrong with optimism?

I want to try to settle something that has turned into my biggest pet peeve of this season. It's not an ineffective blitz by Josh Hull, a blown coverage by Mark Rubin, or even a post by Jay Paterno on the Obama website during work hours.
Its this "don't get our hopes up" mentality.
Our team is good, as good as any in the nation. When you point out how good we are, but nitpick about our secondary, keep in mind that no college football team is perfect, and the majority of teams in the big 12 would trade secondaries with us in a minute.
Wisconsin doesn't look good, and I'm honestly not afraid of Terrelle Pryor, road games there are tough, but we have the talent and character to win those. WE SHOULD WIN THOSE GAMES.
So please, don't start a post saying how great we are, then follow that up with "I'd be happy to go 10-2 and play in the Capital One bowl". This team is better than that and you should not be happy with that result. You can't whine about the Morelli years suffering at 9-3 and then be happy with 10-2. The way we are playing, we should not be happy with anything less than a BCS game.
You are not going to jinx this team, face facts and admit that "you already have your hopes up". Lastly and most importantly, if we lose a game, its not going to hurt any less if you have a pessimistic attitude. I expect to win every game this year, and if we lose, I'll be disappointed, but no more so than someone who hopes for 10-2.
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it's not lack of optimism, it's superstition
I feel like Penn State fans are above average in the superstition department, although it’s really hard to compare…
I know people who won’t watch PSU games at one of their friends house because the ‘record’ of games watched there is poor (I also subscribe to this ridiculous idea). If we play like crap for 2 series and then I switch my seat and we start playing better — you better believe i’m not moving back to my old seat.
that’s all it is. superstition.
I’m sure this is pretty typical stuff
by millzners on
Oct 5, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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Agree 100%
I suffered through ‘99, and it hurt, but even if I “expected” to only go 9-3 that year it wouldn’t have made it hurt anymore when we were #2 in the country and lost to the Gophers. We are currently #6 in the country, and even though I think there is a good chance we could lose to Wisky & OSU, I’m terrified of what I might do if we lost to Michigan, and MSU is a real threat, I still will be disappointed if we lose to ANY of them.
I will be very happy if we go 12-0 and go to the National Championship game. I will be ecstatic if we win the National Championship.
I will be slightly disappointed if we lose in the NC game, but will probably think something like, “we were the underdogs there, it was inevitable that we lost it”
I will be disappointed if we lose 1 game (to tOSU), but will chalk it up to having played a tough team at their stadium.
I will be pretty disappointed if we lose 1 game (to Wisconsin), but will chalk it up to playing a team that SHOULD be good, despite their previous 2 losses, and playing at their stadium.
I wil be very disappointed if we lose 1 game to ANY other team, and wouldn’t have a good “excuse” to tell myself about why it happened.
I will be very disappointed if we lose 2 games, though if they come to tOSU and Wisconsin then I’ll use the excuses above. I’ll still be happy about our wins, I’ll still cheer them on in their bowl game, but I’ll still feel that we missed out on a great opportunity this year to have an exceptional team.
In the end, whether or not I get my hopes up or not will not affect the team’s performance on the field. The only difference that hoping and not hoping are that if I hope we run the table and go to the National Championship game, then I’ll have 12+ weeks of happy hoping, while if I stay pessimistic then I’ll have 12 dissatisfied weeks in which case I’m only “right” if we wind up losing, in which case I definitely wouldn’t be happy anyway.
So yeah, pass me the kool-aid while I enjoy every moment of this wild ride!
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 5, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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party like a rock star
Thank you for supporting my point, and while I understand “cautious optimism”, let me try to persuade some people on the 10-2 fence.
Say youre lucky enough to hang out back stage with your favorite rock band. Do you think to yourself wow this is really great, I’d better stay sober and try to keep things in perspective because tomorrow they will just be in another town hanging out with a different group of people and will forget all about me?
NO! You tell them to pass the BLUE Kool Aid spiked with everclear and get crazy because this is your one chance to party like a rock star. You get nuts, hook up with the groupie and take advantage of your situation.
Sure the band will leave tomorrow, and maybe the groupie passed you the clap (how I would feel after a michigan loss), but you enjoyed every second of it.
Maybe I’m naive, but I’ll have no regrets about expecting an undefeated season from this team.
by JoePaPa on
Oct 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT
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That groupie
sounds hot!
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Oct 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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I think this glass...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Glass-of-water.jpg
is half empty.
If that’s a pet peeve of yours, I’ll break this glass over your head.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on
Oct 5, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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the picture didn't work as I'd hoped....
although, the humor of this didn’t work either, and I can’t blame that on poor tech knowledge.
Anyway, I understand your main point, at the same time, cautious optimism is a valid approach to college football and life.
Next week, we get to see what this team’s made of…beating up on little brothers doesn’t prove much of anything.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on
Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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It has nothing to do with not being optimistic
but let’s face facts. Until last night, Wisconsin hadn’t lost a home game under Bielama. We have to play the Badgers and Ohio State on the road, for 8 p.m. games in a three week span. No matter how you view our team and their teams, you have to admit those will be really tough games. Of course we all root for the team to win and hope we run the table. I think we all think we have the talent to do so and have the best shot we’ve had in three years for a MNC. But to blindly say or think we’re going to win every game just because we’re fans, without looking how difficult the road is, is a little much.
If you recall, even when we went on our Orange bowl run, the game we lost was a night road game, to a not-so-great Michigan. Even if we did get screwed, we still had plenty of opportunities and lost. Big Ten night games against good teams on the road or extremely tough, no matter how good your team is.
by Deezy24 on
Oct 5, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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Michigan was 3:30 start time in 2005
For whatever its worth
by NittanyBadger on
Oct 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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Michigan
has never had a night game because they don’t have lights. They have to truck in temporary ones just for cloudy days or 3:30 and 4:30 starts.
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on
Oct 5, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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That's true
And how totally lame of them… the Dim House… tards…
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 7, 2008 4:02 AM EDT
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Optimism
I don’t think it’s a lack of optimism. I think most fans are pretty optimistic that we are in for a great season. I think for most people it’s a matter of not wanting to get their hopes up. They just don’t want to be let down like the last two years. It’s kind of like not cheering on your pitcher when he takes a no hitter into the seventh inning. You let him sit on the bench by himself and don’t bring it up. There will be plenty of time to enjoy it when it’s over.
Mike
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by BSD on
Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Wishing for the best!
12-0 Would be great. However, a 4 loss season is still possible. (Wiscy, tOSU, Mich State, and don’t count out u of M) None of those games are gimme’s.
Settle it on the field!
by PSUncle1981 on
Oct 6, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
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Well technically
a 6-6 season is still possible. Back in ’99 a 9-3 season was still possible before the Minnesota game when we were 9-0…and we finished 9-3. So yes, anything is still possible, but so is a 12-0 season, and that is the one I prefer to think about right now :-D
As for Mike’s “not cheering on the pitcher when he takes a no hitter into the seventh” I agree with that, but mostly to the point that you don’t want the pitcher to really think about it. And I know it is superstitious to mention it on the radio or to a friend, but in all actuality that has nothing to do with what happens on the field.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 6, 2008 12:23 PM EDT
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Knock that crap off
I see another 6-6 or 8-4 posted here and I’m coming over there and cracking skulls!
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 7, 2008 4:03 AM EDT
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Hey not saying perfect is not possible.
I have already started plans to attend the BCS or MNC game if PSU is playing.(Discussed w/ wife). NLC points should be a good lock for tix. I even discussed of attending game w/ nephew. (Pay attention Mike, that means you)
Yes, 12-0 is very possible. I don’t want to plan the party until the guest list is finalized. As for cracking skulls, you need to attend some anger management classes or cut back on the Kool-Aid.
Settle it on the field!
by PSUncle1981 on
Oct 7, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
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Cracking skulls
Breakfast club reference….
…As I storm out off the room with a paper ass-gasket hanging out of my pants….
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 7, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Being realistic is different than being pessimistic
A good post by JoePaPa, but it seems like people on this board are on two opposite sides of the discussion.
One group is booking flights to south Florida and some even envisioning matchups against Northwestern and Pitt (how these people have survived to this point I have no idea).
The other seems to understand the difficulting of winning college road games (especially for Penn State), the lack of strength in Penn State’s schedule to date, and the fact that winning 12 straight games is just an extremely difficult thing to do.
I don’t think anyone on this board is rooting for a 10-2 season, but if you want to have an intelligent conversation about Penn State’s season…10-2 is certainly part of the discussion, so is 11-1 and 12-0.
by NittanyBadger on
Oct 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Compare
Teams go undeafeated every year. They just do. Penn State appears that they have the ability to do it this year, Not USC, Not Ohio State, just one other team besides us. Next year not so much. None of this matters because it has to be one game at a time. so far so good. I have to admit that I am scared to play next week’s game. We win that one it’s just that much easier. My opinion, this is a special group. These guys have stayed around 4 some 5 years for this special year. A wild ride indeed! It wouldn’t be worth it all for any of us if it was easy.
by pslion on
Oct 5, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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My feelings
Nittany Bager had it right. All three have to be part of the discussion. 10-2, or 11-1 or
12-0!
But to clear up, Morelli was 8-4 in the regular season in 06’ and 07’, so Yeah, 10-2 would be a Big jump. Especially considering all the baggage, losing Sean Lee, Jerome Hayes, and all the off the field crap.
by georgialion on
Oct 5, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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The Fine Line Between Optimism and Realism
Nothing has changed.
We expected to be 6-0 at this point. We expected the offense to be pretty good (maybe not THIS good). We also expected the defense to at least stay about the same.
What I know is that what I expected from this team before the season, and what I’ve seen are about the same, and I think people are getting caught up in events elsewhere when evaluating this team.
I’ve got some news for you. Beanie Wells is still very, very good.
It will be a long time before I’ll forget him single handedly pound us into submission at home last season. Run, after run, after run, just totally wearing us out. To EXPECT to beat a team on the way to 12-0 that so thoroughly dominated us last season is irresponsible.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on
Oct 5, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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I'm definitely terrified
that Beanie Wells can completely destroy our team. I still think the way teams will wind up beating us is that they have a running game that can pound the ball against our shallow (but good) defensive front 4, and eventually when we start subbing in some guys they take advantage of that. I think our best bet is to sell out on the run and make the QBs beat us. I definitely don’t see Evridge doing that, and I hope Pryor is still struggling with the system when they play us (I still don’t know what I think of him. He’s put up good stats, and his passes look beatiful if they were in a game of toss…but they just float too much that I don’t see how he isn’t picked off more. Also, his decision making when pressure is brought up against him has been terrible so far). I wish we could switch between OSU @ scUM for which is home and which is away, this year. I would love if we could cheer and yell and confuse OSU at Beaver Stadium.
Michigan State also has a RB that scares me, but I don’t think Hoyer can beat us in the air…especially at Beaver Stadium.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 6, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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Things are good. I say we run with it.
Hey, the team has its flaws. But we’re halfway through the season, ranked #6, and a metric assload of teams higher than us play each other.
There’s a path.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 5, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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I don’t even want to know what quantity a metric assload is….
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Oct 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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Metric Assload
Is that a Booty measured in grams instead of pounds? We could consult Mos Def, who’s got a great line about some fine chic he was checkin out:
‘ass so phat, you could see it from the front!’
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Metric assload
It’s slightly bigger than the ancient world measurement the ‘neolithic shitload’
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 7, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
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We'll see where things stand in November
The crux here is the following: @ UW, @ OSU, and v UM in the next 3 weeks. I’d consider beating UM and one of the road games a success. Lose 2 or all 3, and a BCS bid is out of the question.
Even if the Lions bring their Spread HD A-game to all 3 games, the results will hinge on which Wiscy and the Bucknuts teams show up. If PSU cannot dominate the line of scrimmage in the road games, a loss or two is likely. The OSU game is the biggest question mark since Wells will pick up yardage consistently, but no one knows how many vital errors Pryor will make. Clark may show he’s a first year starter at some point as well.
At 6-0, my expectation for the next 3 games is best of three. The next three games will then set the tone for the stretch run. The realistic target is BCS, but no one can really discuss going undefeated until we see what this team can do on the road against two top programs.
by gcdyersb on
Oct 6, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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Screw it!
I’m drinking as much kool-aid as I can. We can move the ball on tOSU. Pryor will make freshman mistakes. Wiscy is too one dimensional.
We’re going undefeated. I don’t care if I look like a jackass in the end.
by ReadingRambler on
Oct 6, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Exactly
and besides, if we don’t go undefeated, then I won’t be caring so much about looking like a jackass, as I will be that we didn’t go undefeated! Even if I remain cautiously optimisitic, it isn’t going to dull the pain of losing. Even when we were 3-8 in 2003, it didn’t make the 9th loss to MSU hurt any less, or when we were 9-1 or 9-2 in 1999, the losses to Michigan and Michigan State still stung.
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 6, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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1999 didn't happen
You hear me? It didn’t happen.
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
by ReadingRambler on
Oct 6, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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I find your ideas intriguing
and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Oct 6, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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Okay
And for an extra fee, you can gain access to the newsletter’s archives. However, there is a strange and inexplicable gap between 12/31/98 and 1/1/00.
by ReadingRambler on
Oct 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Can't I just skip ahead directly to 2005?
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Oct 6, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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Ah, that's for the plus members
Where the archives from 11/06/99 4th quarter until the beginning of the season of 2002 are inexplicably missing. Then in 2002 the blown calls in the Iowa and Michigan games are digitally remastered using the state of the art “Tony Johnson had his feet in bounds and didn’t bobble the ball”-vision.
2003-2004 are also lost, as is the first half of the Northwestern Game in 2005. The 2005 Michigan game has also been edited to comply with the laws of space and time, where 60 minutes equals 60 minutes, and not 60 minutes and 2 seconds.
For some reason all of the footage for the 2006 and 2007 seasons shows us playing without a quarterback (though I guess that’s pretty much how the games went, anyway).
by The JuggerNitt on
Oct 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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Also
The 2002 tOSU game when Chris Gamble (Or was it Doss?) interfered (Heck, he tackled him) with Bryant Johnson on 4th down.
by ReadingRambler on
Oct 6, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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If I were in charge
At the begining of the 2006 Michigan game at Beaver Stadium I would have set the first quarter clock at 14:58 and made the referee’s insist that the time be added back.
That would have been worth whatever punishment the league gave out.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Oct 7, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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That would've been perfect
Unfortunately the only game i was able to attend in 2005 was that fiasco in the “shit-house” That was the longest, most uncomfortable ride back to happy valley imaginable. We got f**ked and it sure felt like it
"gotta love the HD"
by biscoiv on
Oct 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Tell me about it
I sat on an inflatable donut for the next week until the swelling went down. Putting time on the clock and the ‘no catch’ that they ahd a few plays earlier left deep, emotional scarring
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Oct 7, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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A No Hitter into the 7th
Is a great analogy, which I’ll beat to death. I can see JoePaPa’s point (in which it could be argued that we fans are not in the dugout, so we don’t have to be quiet—he’s shouting enthusiasm from the mountaintops), but would slightly disagree. You all’ve heard my soapbox in here before about the Power we hold, as fans and New Journalists here in Blogistan. So, I would argue that we are in the dugout, or at least back in the clubhouse, so I’m all for lettin our pitcher focus a bit, so he can bring his best stuff in these next few innings at Camp Randal, at home vs. scUM and against the ever-dangerous lineup out in Columbus.
Of course, if you’re hiking this fall, and want to shout from the mountaintops, out of earshot of our pitcher: ‘Penn State is running the motherphuquing table. See y’all in Miami in January,’ I think that’s a perfectly safe outlet.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Oct 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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But it's really...
…only the fourth inning.
by Run Up The Score on
Oct 6, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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Yea, but it's the bottom of the fourth
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Oct 7, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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Can't help but think...
of how hilarious and ridiculous all of this seems to be: “It’s ok to think of 12-0!” “No! You’ll just be disappointed again!” “We have to think of 11-1 and 10-2 as possibilities!” “Let’s look at the next 3 games as a best of 3 series!” “Oh fuck it. I’m buying plane tickets to Miami!” “What if we lose?!! How will I face myself in the mirror?!?!” “I’ve been posting online and thinking about Penn State football so much the last few weeks…where did my wife and kids go!!”
I’m right there with all you guys…and I LOVE reading all these posts from people who are as in the tank for Penn State as I am. Keep the insanity and the wins coming.
by jimbo2psu on
Oct 7, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
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WE ARE
Drunk on kool-aid! Whoooooo!
by ReadingRambler on
Oct 7, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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Wisconsin/Ohio State/Michigan
We have yet to play our 3 toughest match ups. We need to keep our eye on the prize.
We are also paying the price for not losing early. if you lose a game late in the season, you can’t rebound. But if you lose early, you have a chance to make your way back up the rankings.
eye on the prize.
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on
Oct 7, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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What price to pay
for not losing at all?
Aha!
pax et amor
by jtothep on
Oct 7, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
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