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Most painful loss

Since I started at Penn State, there have been 3 losses that ended national championship runs. Minnesota in 1999, Michigan in 2005, and now Iowa in 2008. I've had the pleasure of being in the stands for two of them (Minnesota and Iowa). Each one was painful in its own way, but I think Iowa was the least painful of them all. I'd rate them this way (from most to least painful):

 

1. Michigan 2005. Because of the way we lost and the fact that it was Michigan. Then getting reminded of it again in 06 and 07 when they continued the streak. I think this year's win finally got me over that one.

2. Minnesota 1999. We were #2 and needed to win out to play in the title game, controlled our own destiny, etc. The game was at home and Minnesota wasn't any good. Granted, losing the next two games sort of took the sting off, but at the time it really hurt. I've never heard Beaver Stadium so quiet.

3. Iowa 2008. Obviously still painful. But the fact that we were #3 and it was on the road makes it a little less painful that the Minnesota game. It hurts but I think I would have rather lost to Iowa than to Michigan or Ohio State. Maybe 2000-2004 changed my mindset, but the fact that we still can win the Big Ten and go to the Rose makes it easier to stomach.

Thoughts?

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Which loss was the most painful?
Iowa 2008
26 votes
Michigan 2005
56 votes
Minnesota 1999
18 votes

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Michigan '05

Oooh, I’m the first voter.

Anyway, Michigan is the clear choice to me, if only because of the awful season that preceded it. That team, much more than the 1999 and 2008 versions, gave you the feeling that something beyond our comprehension was happening, and we were along for the ridiculous ride.

I always had my doubts about the ’99 team. Same with the 2008 team, actually. In 1999, I just never really believed that was a true #1 quality team. In 2008, I think we were/are the beneficiaries of the entire conference crumbling around us.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1999

Yeah, I agree. That whole season I was sort of expecting us to lose eventually, but there were some great wins that raised the expectations. The Minnesota loss was just such a shock, especially with the big Michigan game looming.

by speedomike on Nov 10, 2008 3:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meatchicken '05

Watching us lose to that squad sucks no matter what year it is. But in that fashion, on that field, after such a gutty performance by MRob really sucked.

For what it’s worth, I almost did that exact poll in my fanpost but some would argue our biggest losses were all in bowl games pre-BCS or to the media when Johnson named UT the MNC over us.

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you mean?

nixon? in ’69?

just keepin ya honest, not trying to be a dick

For the glory

by lionalum05 on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoa... yeah... my braindump

I meant Nixon but pulled out my Johnson. (hate when I mix up my useless Texan presidents like that)

Thanks for the catch!

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 2:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're all beyond excruciating, though.

I mean, I remember exactly where I was for all three of them, and they were all just awful, awful losses.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was in the stands for all 3 of them

and Minnesota for me was BY FAR the most painful for me. This year’s loss should be the most painful, since I think this team is leaps and bounds more powerful and complete than that 1999 team was. Maybe it was because Minnesota was at home, and just hearing how quiet Beaver stadium got, after being so loud, magnified the pain and depression.

This Iowa game was also the first game I can recall ever being at where the fans stormed the field…and it wasn’t our fans. That just makes it seem like it should hurt more. But it doesn’t. Maybe it is being “older” and “wiser”, and learning to appreciate what I have (Note: I in no way make any claim of actually being wise, just wiser. Same with being old, I’m just older).

As for the Michigan game, yes it sucked to have that loss happen to THEM, but at the time the streak wasn’t really that abnormally long of a streak, and we hadn’t played them in a few years. Yes, I still hated them, and losing to them, and the way we lost to them did suck, but it just didn’t hurt nearly as much as 1999 Minnesota (and I think the 2005 team was way better than that 1999 team was, too). The only thing I can think of is that in 2005 I was happy to have an improvement over 2004, and we already hit that mark by week 4. Combined with the magic that was the Northwestern game (which I was also at), and the Ohio State game (which is the one game I regret not having gone to), it just made the 2005 Michigan loss a bit easier to stomach.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JuggerNitt in the stands....

FAIL

All of these losses were your fault. I now feel as though we have identified the problem. JNitt has to watch the games at home. :)

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 10, 2008 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've already thought this numerous times over

I was also at ND in 2006, and some other big losses. But I figure I’ve also been at a lot of big wins, so it all cancels out somewhere.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ND Game

I was there too, it was my birthday and it sucked. Hard

by letsgopsu on Nov 10, 2008 4:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh and also

Due to outside circumstances (work, moving, and school), 2003 and 2004 were the only years I didn’t go to a single game (and didn’t get to see a lot of them on TV, either). I think I only managed to even watch the wins in 2003-2004 (which shows how many games I missed those years).

The only home game I missed going to my entire time at Penn State (1998-2002 seasons) was the 2001 Miami game.

I figure they’ve lost plenty of games that I didn’t attend, and won more games than not when I did attend, that I’m clear of any potential curse.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 5:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the real question is...

Will the JNitt make it to our bowl game?

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 2:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I have a standing agreement with the girlfriend

(and by “standing agreement” I mean that she doesn’t agree, but the subject is non-negotiable for me) that any National Championship game, I am going to. Any BCS game I am going to unless there are extreme circumstances. I was at the Orange Bowl in 2005, apparently with a case of mono, as I figured out a few days later…which probably explained why I felt like shit for all of the Christmas holidays, and why I nearly passed out (read: if not for grabbing onto my friend standing next to me, and some stranger standing on the other side, I would have fallen over) when Penn State looked like they scored a safety on F$U. As for any non-BCS bowl games, it is really dependent on the cash situation, the timing, and what bowl it actually is. The way this year is going, that means probably no for anything non-BCS.

The biggest complicating factor is that the girl is a New Years baby, and hates sports in general (so not hot), but college football especially (why do I even date her?) for how much time it takes me away from her. I tried to work in the whole, “c’mon a trip to Miami Pasadena will be a great way to celebrate New Years and your birthday!” but she wasn’t really buying it. What makes the loss to Iowa hurt even more for me is that she was willing to go to Miami.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But she can go to Hollywood and all that stuff

chicks dig that tourist scene… could help ya

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 12, 2008 2:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, I mentioned that

she replied something about “family” and “friends” being back here in Michigan…whatever that means

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 8:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, with mine

it means “I dont want to go… and if you do I’ll make your life miserable.. for an unannounced, unspecified period of time”

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Nov 12, 2008 9:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if only she understood

that missing the Rose Bowl (or MNC game…or any other BCS game) would make my life miserable, for a pretty specified period of time, especially if it goes on to be a big win and/or classic.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 9:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think this year’s team is anywhere as close in talent to that ’99 team. The coaches lost it that year for them. The ’99 defense is the best defense ever at Penn State.Period. That was the toughest sporting event I ever had to watch in my life.

by PSU4ever31 on Nov 11, 2008 12:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While that defense was arguably better

that offense was nowhere near as good

I’d say :
1999: Offense = C or C+, Defense = B+ (probably would have rated them an A before the final 2 or 3 games, but they seemed to either just give up, or get beaten up, cuz they gave up 24, 31, and 35 points in those final games)
2008: Offense = B, Defense = B (before the Iowa game I would have put the grades at B+ and B+, and before the OSU game I would have put them at A- and B+)

Of course, there’s still more games to see how this team/season turns out.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 12:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kevin Thompson

and that offense in ‘99 were definitely not nearly as good, I’ll agree with that 100%. As the season wore on, my dad and I worried before every single game that the offense was going to put a turd on the field and we’d lose because of it. Well, sure enough.

by blogue20 on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would that turd on the field be Thompson's game ending fumble against Michigan?

because that’s what it looked like. Sure we already had the loss to Minnesota at that time, but man that Michigan game was crappier (didn’t hurt nearly as much, but was crappier).

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 9:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for some reason i haven't been overly upset

maybe its because i feel like strong seasons with 10 or more wins is going to be a regular occurance.

i’m just happy to have a team that i like so much and is still in the drivers seat to go to a BCS bowl.

by gbd106 on Nov 10, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and.... michigan

because its michigan, and because it felt like we were a flash in the pan that year a bit.

by gbd106 on Nov 10, 2008 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minnesota

That was the loss that started it all.

2000 – 5-7
2001 – 5-6
2002 – 9-4 (with a really bad beat in the bowl game)
2003 – 3-9
2004 – 4-7

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Nov 10, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surprisingly, not Iowa

For some reason, I’m not as upset about Saturday’s loss than I though I would be. We played down, got beat and lost. It sucks, but I can live with that.

It’s not 2005 for me either. That year kind of came out of nowhere and I was just hoping for a winning season more than a MNC. The worse part of that game was the controversial ending, obviously, but it’s not like that’s never happened to us before (i.e. Iowa and Michigan in 2002).

1999 was the worse for me. It was my junior year at Penn State and I thought that there was no way we weren’t going all the way, especially after dismantling Arizona and beating Miami on the road.

Although I thought we were going to good this year, I just knew we were supposed to be the best in ’99. Higher hopes lead to higher disappointments I suppose.

by The Mess on Nov 10, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The feeling of: "well we just blew it"

Came a lot earlier in the Iowa game. The TD throw by Iowa to close the gap to within 2. I knew it was over right then and there really. Mostly because of Michigan in 2005:

With Michigan I just couldn’t believe it, for days after I was still stunned. I thought there’s no way we’re losing this even after the TD catch at the end. I was in denial.

With Minny, well I don’t even remember it. Literally I blocked it out of my memory. I know I watched it, but I couldn’t tell you where or with who.

by millzners on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This was the toughest for me

Maybe because surprisingly this is the first one I witnessed on television. I was at work listening on the radio in 1999. And I was at a wedding following on my cell phone in 2005.

This one hurt bad, but I think I’m getting over it.

by BSD on Nov 10, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst for me too

I drank too much kool-aid. The possibility of a loss never entered my mind until the third quarter. I wouldn’t call it arrogance, it just felt like it was finally our year.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2008 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I felt

like it was ours until Royster got stuffed on the third and short before the roughing the punter. Then I was worried, but then we got the penalty and it was like it was all going to work out. I was just worried we wouldn’t win by a large enough victory to impress people. Then from the holding penalty on I was a wreck.

by whiteoutonly on Nov 10, 2008 6:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably Michigan '05

I don’t recall much from the tail end of ‘99. But when it’s only one of three losses, that’s not such a big deal.

Losing to a mediocre Michigan team when having a great season trumps the first loss in a good season any day.

The Iowa loss was somewhat of a relief, actually. Clearly there was no way an undefeated PSU team was going to be given a shot at the title after the B12 and SEC championships both spit out 1or 0 loss teams. The loss means that the decision was made on the field, not by herd mentality.

The offense sputtering at OSU was the first crack in the foundation. PSU’s offense is very good, but getting shut down like that made it clear this offense is not elite. The O-line has sometimes struggled in short yardage situations, while the play calling inside the 10 has overwhelmingly favored running up the middle. Defensively, Josh Hull isn’t an elite athlete and the secondary has typically completely blown a coverage at least once per game (often on 3rd down).

Iowa exposed all these problems simultaneously, which is partly good luck and partly good game planning. At any rate, this was the product of PSU losing the key battles to a good team. The loss was the function of a BCS conference schedule doing its job. I hate that PSU had the chance to be up by 2 TDs, but Iowa winning by dominating the red zone is a testament to the quality of the B10, even if it’s not the best conference.

by gcdyersb on Nov 10, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still would have preferred going undefeated and getting snubbed

Since then we’d still be able to claim another undefeated season for JoePa, and I really think that a snubbing of this calibre would help lead to a playoff, which would further JoePa’s legacy. As it is now, unless Bama and Tech lose, and the other teams keep on winning, so we have up to 8 1-loss teams (or even one undefeated and 7 1-loss teams), then everyone is gonna proclaim how the BCS actually works, like in 2005, when even a retarded monkey could have chosen the teams to go to the MNC game that year, giving in my opinion zero credibility to the BCS “success” story.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This year

Expectations were higher.

In 2005 getting out of the big ten basement was a huge success, the run at the Orange bowl was great especially considering we didnt have a shot at the MNC anyway.

This year after beating Ohio State, anything less than an appearance at the BCS championship is a disappointment.

by JoePaPa on Nov 10, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'05 was the worst

Even though in the end it didn’t matter weather we won or lost because we weren’t getting in with USC and Texas running the table. It was just after that final touchdown for the lead and that high to being slammed down like that on the last play. Like whiteoutonly it didn’t even occour to me until the interception, that it was possible to lose this game, but from then on it was a very real feeling.

And I have something to confess…as a freshman in high school in Minnesota…I remember that ’99 game too. Saddly, I didnt know any better but to enjoy the annomoly. I had no idea I was going to attend PSU in 2003 and suffer the consequences of that game too. I easily would have given that game away knowing what it was going to mean for my true team for years to come.

Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Traped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.

by bconway6 on Nov 10, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen!

Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Traped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.

by bconway6 on Nov 11, 2008 4:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alabama in the '79 Sugar Bowl (or was it '78)

We hadn’t won any national titles at that point. It was our first chance to prove on the field that we deserved a title after having been screwed too many times before. We couldn’t punch it in on their goal line and lost 7-6.

by Elihu on Nov 10, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent point

Any older alumni I’ve ever talked to says that was the worst too. They laugh about 2005 and this last one, because they pale by comparrison. People drove 25+ hours to get down there, to watch us lose like that.

And for the record, not much has changed with Joe’s goal-line offense since 1978. Run up the middle. over. and over. and over…

by millzners on Nov 10, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and still probably the best decision

numbers-wise

Having not been born, and never seeing a replay of that game, I can’t attest to whether that specific situation warranted different play calling, but I usually get annoyed when coaches try anything but a run up the middle on short goal line situations.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 10:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By far

the 79 Sugar Bowl, my girlfriend at the time.. kept asking me why they didnt try something different…

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Nov 11, 2008 10:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

That one had to suck hard.

by BSD on Nov 11, 2008 9:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thankfully

I was 4 at the time. The first PSU game I remember watching was the ’83 Sugar Bowl.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't answer this

I just spent 8 unneccesarily tortuous minutes considering these different levels of pain. A fresh Tims kick to my nuts? A staple gun to my tongue? My gawd, the last choice on this poll should be: actually considering and weighing the choices listed in this poll.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 11, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, let's relive every tortured feeling you've ever had in your life

Your dog dying. Your girl leaving you. Your truck dying.
Now that I think of it, it sounds like an old country song.

by NJ lion on Nov 11, 2008 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Michigan in 2005 = worst

I loved that team. Zematis, Tamba, MRob, Poz, the freshman wide recievers.
It had the perfect mix of guys you’d been watching for a couple of years and wanting to see succeed with fresh faces, a new enery, and excitement.

I loved the ’We’re Back’ theme of the entire season.

The game had so much more than the Iowa one too. Kevin Kelly runs in a 2 point conversion? Zematis makes that ridiculous strip while still running?
Iowa seemed like a battle of which team was worse.

The Michigan loss was so sickening , I drove to Illinois because I just had to see them move on from it. I needed to move on from it. I’ve never been to 56-7 blowout that was as pleasing.

Loved that team, and they finished right where they belonged…they weren’t as good as either USC or Texas that year, but they ended at #2. Hey, maybe this year’s squad can do the same. Its not a National Championship, but #2 is pretty damn good.

by NittanyBadger on Nov 11, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just a few corrections

final score of the Illinois game was 63-10…perhaps you were thinking about the halftime score of 54-3 (actually I didn’t really feel the need to correct you, I just wanted to write that halftime score again).

But we didn’t end up at #2 at the end of the year, we stayed at #3 (and rightfully so, USC didn’t deserve to drop lower than #2 after that Rose Bowl game)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 8:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction to your correction

The halftime score was 56-3. I think its funny that Illinois was up 3-0. I’ll never forget the hilarity of watching the ESPN sideline reporter interview the mother of Illinois qb Tim Brasic, about how proud they were of him yada yada and how excited they were about him being in the NFL someday, meanwhile the guy is busy throwing bounce passes and looking like a Jr High qb, and he threw for a grand total of 47 yards that night. Great stuff.

by blogue20 on Nov 12, 2008 10:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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