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Obviously there has been a lot of debate about what went wrong in Iowa on Saturday. Fingers have been pointed at the play calling, the execution, and even the officiating. But I want to focus on one area that has seen a lot of criticism since Saturday that I haven't seen a good argument for or against yet. We're going to go back to Iowa's final drive and examine Penn State's time management and their refusal to use any of their three available timeouts. To do this, we'll examine each play going over the situation and determine if a timeout was warranted or not. We'll start at the beginning of the drive and go play by play. We're only looking at the timeout scenarios here, but I'll add my comments on the officiating since that's also a point of contention and I'm taking the time to review these plays anyway.

3:46 (Time) - 1st and 10 on Iowa 29

Ricky Stanzi is sacked by Jared Odrick for a five yard loss. The clock continues to run. At this point I don't see any reason to call a timeout. Iowa is deep in their own territory, the first play went backwards, and the clock is in Penn State's favor. Iowa has to drive the length of the field and score. Right now it doesn't appear they are a threat to do so.

 

Star-divide

2nd and 15 on Iowa 24

Stanzi throws a two yard out pattern to Shonn Greene who drops it. He probably wasn't going to get more than a yard if he had caught it as he was one step from going out of bounds and Rubin was barrelling down on him. The clock is stopped with 2:59 to go.

3rd and 15 on Iowa 24

The infamous pass interference call. Paul McGuire quickly points out Scirrotto "went through the receiver which you cannot do." Except for the fact Scirrotto was in place and basically jumped straight up in the air before the receiver ran into him. So if that's "running through the receiver", then yeah. Meanwhile back on the defensive line Maurice Evans stunts to the inside where the center puts his arm around his neck and tackles him to the ground. No call.

The end result is 15 yards and a first down for Iowa. The clock is stopped at 2:50 to go.

1st and 10 at Iowa 39

Iowa hands off to Shonn Green who runs up the middle for five yards to the Iowa 44. There is 2:42 to go when the play is whistled dead. The clock continues to run.

This is the first opportunity for Penn State to call a timeout to preserve the clock. At this point Iowa is still in their own territory with three timeouts of their own. If we stop the clock we are only helping them save time. Giving up five yards on first down has drastically hurt Penn State's chances of getting a stop on this set of downs. Calling a timeout if you don't get the stop will allow Iowa to run out the clock later in the drive. They are still backed up in their own territory, so in my opinion the correct move here is to let the clock run and hope to get a stop.

2nd and 5 at Iowa 44

Iowa snaps the ball with 15 seconds to go on the play clock and 2:16 to go in the game. Stanzi completes a five yard pass to the tight end Myers, and the official marks the ball as a 5.5 yard gain. Bad spot, yes, but he may have had the first down anyway even if they spotted it correctly so it doesn't matter much. There was 2:09 on the clock when the play was whistled dead. The clock stopped to move the chains and then restarted.

Should Penn State have called a timeout here? It was a 25 second play clock after the first down. Iowa was at the 50 yard line still with all of their timeouts. The burden is still on them to score and they still need another 25 yards or so to feel good about their chances for a field goal. Personally, I wouldn't call a timeout here. It's still about yards here. Not clock. You don't want to give Iowa more time to get yards.

1st and 10 at the 50 yard line

The game clock is at 1:46 when they snap the ball. There are still 11 seconds on the play clock. Stanzi tries a four yard pass to the tight end. Bowman makes an excellent play to knock it down. Clock is stopped with 1:43 to play.

2nd and 10 at the 50

Stanzi drops back to pass. Josh Hull comes on an outside blitz and he's just a step away from getting there (yeah, I know). But he forces Stanzi to try a quick outlet throw to Shonn Greene who drops another one. Even if he catches it Tony Davis is there to shut it down for no gain. The problem here is that the dropped pass stops the clock.

3rd and 10 at the 50

1:40 to go on the clock. Stanzi throws a ten yard pass to Myers. Our good buddy the line judge gives him an extra half yard on the play. Once again he may have had a first down without the favorable spot, but you have to start wondering why Penn State isn't getting the benefit of the doubt anywhere by the officials.

The clock is stopped with 1:32 to go in the game, but starts once the chains are set. Iowa is still about 15 yards from comfortable field goal range. Maybe 20. They are going to need at least one more first down. You could make the case, and I would agree, that Penn State should have used a timeout here. At this point Iowa has all three timeouts and they have tipped the clock in their favor. Time is no longer an issue for them. Just getting 15 yards is their goal.

1st and 10 at PSU 40

The clock is at 1:10 to go with :06 to go on the play clock when they snap the ball. Evans beats his man to the inside. The left tackle appears to grab jersey and pull Evans to the ground. Maybin beats the right tackle and dives at Stanzi's feet. Stanzi steps straight back one step and throws the ball to the sideline. It goes out of bounds one yard shy of the line of scrimmage and there isn't a receiver in sight on the television screen. If this isn't intentional grounding I don't know what is. The announcers have nothing to say in the matter instead reminding us that Penn State's undefeated season is on the line.

There is 1:06 to go when the play is whistled dead.

2nd and 10 at PSU 40

Stanzi makes a great pass to the receiver who catches the ball at the 29 yard line and steps out of bounds stopping the clock after a ten yard gain. Insert grumbling about cornerbacks playing eight yards off the line of scrimmage here. There is 1:01 to go in the game. We just gave up ten yards in five seconds. Please scrap this defense.

1st and 10 at PSU 29

Shonn Greene plows ahead for a two yard gain up the middle. Iowa calls timeout with 0:57 to play doing us a favor.

2nd and 8 at PSU 27

Greene gains one yard and is tackled in bounds. The clock is at 0:53 when the play ends and continues to run. Penn State lets the clock run. Iowa lets it run down to 0:23 before they snap the next play.

So why didn't Penn State call timeout here? It's 3rd and 6 and your chances of getting a stop here are pretty good. This is the 13th play of the drive, so your defense is getting gassed at this point. You're basically at the point you have to sell out and go for the stop on this play. The fact that the clock is running begs you to take a timeout.

But on the sideline Iowa's kicker had been warming up since Iowa had crossed midfield. If Penn State was sharp they noticed it was Daniel Murray who had been benched for the past several weeks and hadn't made a field goal since the first week of the season. My guess is Penn State was trying to let the clock die so Iowa would have to kick the field goal from there which would have been a 43 yard attempt. And let's not forget the wind was pretty unforgiving that day. So weigh the options. Kill the clock and make them kick it from there? Or call a timeout and focus on getting the stop while also saving yourself 30 seconds. It's a tough choice, but I can see what the coaches were thinking here.

3rd and 6 at PSU 26

Stanzi completes a pass to the 15 yard line and a first down. The receiver gets out of bounds stopping the clock, but the game is basically over at this point. The chances of Iowa making the field goal just went up from about 25% to about 80% on that play.

1st and 10 on PSU 15

Shonn Green is supposed to run right to get the ball in the middle of the field, but he cuts it back to the left for a one yard loss. More importantly he's put the ball outside the left hash mark demonstrating he had no concept of what the bigger goal was on that play. Iowa calls timeout with 0:11 to go.

You know the rest. Greene gets it right on the next play and centers the ball. All our hopes and dreams go sailing through the uprights.

Conclusions

You can make the case that Penn State had five opportunities to call a timeout to stop the clock. In my opinion it didn't make sense to do so on the first two because Iowa was deep in their own territory at the time and there was still over two minutes to play. They needed yards and we didn't want to give them more time to get those yards.

When Iowa got a first down at the 50 with 2:09 to go you could make an argument that PSU should have called a timeout. Iowa allowed the clock to run down to 1:46 before they snapped the ball. But they still needed at least two first downs to get into field goal range, so I can see why Penn State didn't call timeout here.

The next opportunity doesn't make sense to me. Iowa got a first down at the 40 yard line with 1:32 to go. They are only 15 yards from field goal range and they have all three timeouts in their pocket. Time is no longer a concern for them. At this point we basically have to sell out and get the stop here. There is no room for error. I think a timeout was warranted to not only stop the clock, but to also regroup on defense.

The last opportunity came on 3rd and 6 at the PSU 26 with 0:53 to go in the game. You HAVE to call a timeout there. Stop the clock. Regroup on defense. Get the stop. Hopefully Stanzi throws an incomplete pass to stop the clock and Iowa is forced to kick a 43 yard field goal in the wind. Even if they complete a pass and you tackle them in bounds short of the sticks you can call another timeout. You'll still have one left and if they make the field goal you'll get the ball back with about 40 seconds to go only needing a field goal to win. But Penn State opted to keep the game going. The defense gave up 11 yards and Iowa kicks the easy field goal.

So they blew it twice out of five opportunites. That's great in baseball, but in football it means death. It wasn't the only reason we lost the game, but poor clock management on top of poor play execution on top of poor play calling on top of poor officiating was just too much to overcome.

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Overlooked gaffe, to be sure.

They absolutely have to call timeout before that 3rd and 6 play. That’s your game. You think Murray’s going to make the FG from back there?

by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2008 10:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been bitching

about the no-call on intentional grounding for the past few days. I have no idea how they could not call that, and WHY DIDN’T PSU CHALLENGE! That is one of the few challengable penalties in football.
Also, the PI was undefendable. Check the audibles board, I’m arguing for a no-call.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=3363444

From definition of terms:
© Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a Team B
player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and it could
prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable forward
pass.

From interpretation of rules:
Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.
Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.

That’s not PI, clear and simple.
Scirotto went up BEFORE THE RECEIVER DID! He was up in the air, and the receiver backed into him. Scirotto’s hands were the only contact and they were reaching for the ball. No, it’s not PI. Unless it’s clearly PI, then it’s not.

by DevonEdwards on Nov 10, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

Now I’m ticked off again.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say it with me

We may still play in the Rose Bowl
We may still play in the Rose Bowl
We may still play in the Rose Bowl

We were expecting a loss before the season
We were expecting a loss before the season
We were expecting a loss before the season

by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And adding...

We beat Meatchicken
We beat Meatchicken
We beat Meatchicken

We beat tOSU in Columbus
We beat tOSU in Columbus
We beat tOSU in Columbus

hey… it’s something…

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 1:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let it go ....

Tho bittersweet, a Rose Bowl bid may be okay. We kick USC ass and we’ll feel really good.

Imagine the horror if we were undefeated and did NOT get into the championship game ( a possibility >0%).

Just a pragmatist …

by markawiser on Nov 10, 2008 11:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, I'd be pissed about getting jobbed again

But I think I’d still rather take the win over Iowa and the undefeated season. Then DWill could say “I promised to bring a title, and, in my humble opinion, my teammates and I did just that.”

by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2008 11:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting Jobbed

Me too. At least getting jobbed would have allowed for us to say, we did all we could.

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Nov 11, 2008 12:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Imagining Horror

Um, if I read another ‘try to move us past this loss by mentioning the Rose Bowl or USC’ post I’m gonna vomit. If I want to imagine horror, I take the performance of this past weekend, consider the poor player execution, skeptical coaching gameplan/playcalling and general lack of noticeable preparation, and wonder what’s gonna change on the field this weekend.

What’s gonna change in practice this week? What are the coaches gonna do differently, to teach these kids about pressure? Who’s gonna make the needed changes to prepare for and execute against Indiana?

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 11, 2008 12:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Rec'd

I also cannot stand the people talking up the Rose Bowl right now. We are currently in a steep downhill of an emotional rollercoaster. I would much rather talk about good things after two concrete wins, knowing the wheels have not officially come off, than be emotionally devastated after another loss to Michigan State.

Also, any other PIAA/other high school referees on here? I think fugimaster24 is one. I am one myself, and watching the refs spot the ball favorably reminded me of my training, where I was taught to avoid controversy and sideline measurements whenever possible. It is really difficult to be precise within those margins, anyway, so any outcome complaints are mostly irrelevant. But the experience has taught me that refs are almost always looking out for number one first, and game equity second.

by gumbercules on Nov 11, 2008 1:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*Those margins being about 4-8 inches.

by gumbercules on Nov 11, 2008 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a high school football coach...

I hate refs! lol

no harm intended it just comes with the territory

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Nov 11, 2008 2:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A perhaps useful tip

You might already know this, but pester every ref who throws a flag for the offending player’s number (well within your rights as a coach). Besides being able to coach the player about his mistake, it will cause all but the most horribly bullshit refs to keep the flag in their pocket when they can’t make out the cheater’s number. I have seen blatant offsides and false start penalty flags picked up because the crew couldn’t decide who to blame or forgot the kid’s number.

by gumbercules on Nov 11, 2008 6:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on the TO

It should’ve been on the 3rd and 6 play. At that point they were already in field goal range. If we got a stop and they kick the field goal, which is at least 30 sec on the clock (because I think we still had another TO), so that would mean we could get the kickoff and at least 3 plays off. If they did get a first down, the game would’ve ended the same way, with them having the ball with no time to spare for us

by WPIALkid22 on Nov 11, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Intentional grounding

That play killed me. The fact that the announcers didn’t even mention it for a second was puzzling to say the least. It met all the requirements for the penalty:

1. In the pocket
2. Under pressure
3. No receiver nearby (at least from the TV angle)
4. Not past the line of scrimmage

Watching that drive was beyond painful…it felt so inevitable. No one was making plays, no one got pressure, we played our basic ‘no big plays’ soft cover 2. I was dying that they refused to call a timeout to give the offense a shot at winning.

by Governator on Nov 11, 2008 1:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The grounding

is still the only thing I am pissed about… I can almost stomach everything else

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 1:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New Site

Mike – I haven’t visited for a long time, but wanted to comment on your new site and format – it looks great, and your writing is as good as usual.

As to PSU football, that was a tough loss on Saturday, but what a season you are having this year with a new QB playing. Clark has done pretty well for you guys and every kid is due a poor game now and then.

Still, the possibility of going 11-1 is still very real and should be commended (MSU will be a challenge, but Penn State tends to rebound well).

On another note I was kind of shocked by how frail Coach Paterno looked in his post-game press conference. As I don’t follow PSU football too closely, was this just how he was that day, or is it how he is everyday now?

by rkohberger on Nov 11, 2008 6:09 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a story about the timeouts:

Joe has a little account set up at St. Peter’s Savings and Trust in which he’s saving his unused timeouts, earning 1.25% annually on them. As they have accrued over the many years, he is planning on cashing them in when he really needs them — when the Grim Reaper comes looking for him.

You see the story goes, Joe made a deal with God — he get’s to keep his unused timeouts after each game, and by virtue of those timeouts, he gets to use them when ‘his time is up’. Actually a pretty sweet deal if you can get it.

The more you know…

by millzners on Nov 11, 2008 8:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

The Timeout Situation

Is one a lot of coaches “mess up”. I quote that because I’m not sure it was a gaffe, but a general plan when it comes to timeouts at the end-game. I’ve seen a lot of games like this where the team with the lead refuses to call timeouts to try to save them some time if the other team manages to take the lead. While I have no basis for this conclusion, I think a lot of coaches view taking timeouts in that scenario as showing weakness, admitting to their team that they believe the other team will score. That’s my two cents.

But wow is it stupid. This is what happens when you lose, though. The convergence of things that happen that we can blame becomes staggering:

1) Clark’s Inaccuracy
2) Bad Officiating
3) Timid Defensive Play
4) Lack of Common Sense from Coaches Regarding TImeouts

And to think, after all of that, if Murray honks the field goal, none of those 4 things matter as much.

by Kunk on Nov 11, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is irritating but

 We shouldn’t have been in that position anyway. The loss didn’t come down to the last 2 1/2 minutes, it was the other 57 1/2 minutes. This was a game we had no business losing, but they outplayed us, and outcoached us. It feels like the loss to MSU must have felt to the Bucks in 1998 when they were ranked 2nd in the nation, blew a halftime lead to a so so MSU team. We had more chances that I can count to put this game away, and didn’t.

by Doc_P on Nov 11, 2008 9:07 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew it was over when their so-so QB lobbed a TD pass to a wide-freaking-open receiver. Scirrotto was supposed to provide safety help over top on that play so the corner could play zone and he blew it completely.

That was the turning point, from which we couldn’t regain any momentum.

by millzners on Nov 11, 2008 9:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the pass interference play

Was it only me, or did Seargent have an easy interception on that play? All he had to do was put his hands up and he just stood there.

by psuquinn on Nov 11, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Penn St. lost this game

On their first drive of the game. They had 1st and Goal from the 2…and had to settle for a field goal. Hell, if your boys turn any 1 of those field goals into 6 points, the argument would be centered around why Penn State still being #3 in the BCS. Penn St. dominated the 1st half of this game, and had more than one oppurtunity to put it away.
     Clock management on Iowa’s last drive didn’t cost Penn St. the game, and neither did the PI call – it was the Lions failure to take advantage of their complete domination of the Hawks in the 1st half that cost them.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 11, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understood

I’m not saying failing to call time out cost us the game. I’m just looking at one part of the game that has come under some criticism. There were many things that went wrong on Saturday.

by BSD on Nov 11, 2008 10:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Cost" isn't the right word

Correct – these things didn’t cost us the game. To paraphrase from the great film “Baseketball”, it’s a team game, and it took all of us working together to lose this one.

Better way to look at it would be that a different TO approach may have saved the game for us – whether it would’ve reset the defense for a proper stop, forcing a longer FG (or a 4th down attempt, if Iowa wasn’t comfortable with their kicker from that distance), or save some time should a final drive be needed.

by IcersGuy on Nov 11, 2008 10:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

that was I guess a much better way to say what I tried to say in my reply. It didn’t cost us the game, but it threw away our final chance to save the game.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 10:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it wasn't the "one thing" that cost us the game

it was just the last thing that cost us the game. If they call time outs on some of those final plays of the drive, we could have had a chance to drive back down and get our own game winning field goal. The earlier mistakes and miscues of course contributed to the loss, but it was possible to bounce back from them. It is, unfortunately, pretty much impossible to bounce back from a FG with only 1 second left on the clock.

Sure you can look at earlier mistakes that cost us the game, but if you go far enough back you could eventually be saying “it was our inability to score a TD on every posession” or “it was our inability to score a TD on every play, and get safeties on every defensive play”.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 10:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with your assessment Mike...

but one thing that noone has really mentioned is that who would have been in charge of clock management? Paterno is the obvious choice but he is up in the booth. What if he was on the field? Would the clock management have been any different? And would we have gotten a few more calls with a legend in the officials ears? I dunno this is all conjecture, but it is a feeling I have had since that drive took place.

The weather, execution, playcalling, officiating, and game management all contributed to a perfect storm that blew our national championship hopes.

Also to all the people jumping on PSUs case for this loss…I would LOVE to see Texas Tech try to win a game on the road in a 30 mph wind, with 16 degree weather…I think Alabama could win in those conditions, but NO WAY IN HELL does Texas Tech win…

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Nov 11, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my sentiments exactly

when a team’s strength relies in a passing attack…well then you were going to be severely crippled in that game.

Perhaps that’s why the successful Big 10 teams are generally “run first, defensive” teams

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hate to keep bringing this up...

STANZI THREW IN THAT DAMN WIND… I am pretty sure other qb’s could have done so, as well

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 12, 2008 2:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bulk of his big completions

happened in the 4th quarter WITH the wind….I don’t believe Texas Tech, or pretty much any quarterback who relys on quick timing passes, and no pressure from the defensive line could have won saturday…

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Nov 12, 2008 7:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

while stanzi threw in the wind

a lot of the “big” passes were high floaters with the wind while our D was nowhere to be seen. Those “airball” type passes are easier to adjust to in the wind than something coming at you at 50 MPH. I’m not sure why Clark couldn’t adjust to the wind himself (perhaps as carolinaeasy says, because our passing offense relies on quick, timed passes), but if you take away the uncharacteristically dropped passes by our WRs, his stats would have been as good or better than Stanzi’s.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 9:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game

Was the exact opposite (for Iowa) of the Illinois game. The Hawks had 5 possesions in the red zone, and only one of those resulted in a TD. The other 4 resulted in 3 field goals, and a miss. Iowa lost that game by 3 points, a disturbing trend which finally came to an end Saturday night. Tight games are usually decided by 1/2 a dozen or so plays which are usually pretty easy to pick out when it’s all said and done. Iowa got the better end of it Saturday night.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 11, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not like we lost to a bad team . . .

Iowa is at least as good if not better then Penn State was last year. They are one of the few teams in our conference that could get a decent bowl bid, and help to vindicate the Big Ten by winning.

You Hawkeys really need to win out. I’ll be pullin for ya!

by TITCUS on Nov 11, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More Great Analysis

Definitely needed exploration in this kind of detail, given all our posts raising the question. I’m pretty fascinated in retrospect. I wonder how many coaching staffs (agree with Mr. Easy, too, on his open questions about our staff, who was in charge, what might have been with JoePa on the sideline) would have nailed this exactly right, given the turning tide of requirements as Iowa crossed the fifty?

I agree we should have changed our tune starting after the 3rd & 10 completion that brought a first down at our forty. That changed their tune, as you noted, to only yard concerns, dropping not-enough-clock off their concern list. And our concern list just changed too: those remaining yards became much, much more vital, meaning our gassed lineman needed all they could muster from their tank to get to StanziPansy. And our contingency plan just changed, too: we may need those clock-seconds. But all this is in retrospect. In any case, a rather fascinating case study in clock management.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 11, 2008 12:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

StanziPansy...

cmon, you can do better than that. I would expect that from an Iowa State fan. He picked your boys apart.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 11, 2008 3:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stanzi the Pansy who Wears Panties?

I had another post where I noted we had been calling him that. Til he manned up outta the nickname, marched down the field picking up 3rd and longs at each turn and yeah, shut us the hell up with a game-winning drive.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 12, 2008 9:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

water under the bridge, but..........

Does anyone recall if, on the last play (the kickoff) if the guy caught the short kick on the fly? If I saw it right, I think he did and threw it backwards. Now, I know this is a lot to ask, but if he had fair caught the ball (on the 25 yard line) the clock wouldn’t have started, right? Kelly could have come on and tried a FG, and I believe it would have been a “free kick.” A 42 yarder into the wind would have been a tough one anyhow, but it would have been a shot. If Penn State had used their timeouts like has been talked about above they could have had a few more seconds to try a FG.

by run4peach on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Between the tears and way too much beer, I'm not sure I saw it right

but I thought Iowa recovered the squib kick after the final field goal.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

it was a squibber – bounced the entire way. That’s why whoever originally tried to field it, lost it – it took a high bounce on him and he never stood a chance to grab it cleanly.

by IcersGuy on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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