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Grading The Defense: Iowaaaaaaaah.

Time to stop crying.  You survived Michigan 2005, Toledo 2000, Minnesota 1999, Michigan 1997, Ohio State 1996, that whole 1994 thing, Notre Dame 1992, and Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.  Trust me, you can handle this one.  The 2008 Nittany Lions have been playing with house money for a while, mostly due to two very obvious things:  the Big Ten is relatively shitty, and Penn State hadn't taken on any proficient passing offenses yet.

On Saturday, a number of things caught up to the Penn State defense.  How badly did they need Sean Lee?  Chris Baker, Phil Taylor, and Devon Still?  Most frustrating of all, the soft zone you love to hate made a fateful appearance on Iowa's last drive, and it was repeatedly torched on third downs.  Oh, and bad luck.  Don't forget the bad luck.  A sure STANZIBALL turned into pass interference on Anthony Scirrotto, and then Stanzi suddenly morphed in Chuck Friggin' Long.  Brian Cook might be correct to label Iowa's effort as Flat Out Heart, but there's another side to that.  Sometimes, you just are what you are.  You're a team with an average defense.  You're a team that starts poorly on the road.  Flat Out Heart needs a dance partner, and it found one dressed in white.


Defensive Line: B

If someone told you before the game that Shonn Greene would run for a 4.2 yard per carry average, you'd have been relatively happy, right?  Jared Odrick is making his case for Defensive MVP honors this season, but by the end of the game he was gassed.  Same with the rest of the defensive line, who got absolutely no push as Iowa took to the air at the end of the game.  Could've used a little depth in the fourth quarter, especially once Josh Gaines rolled his ankle.

 

Linebackers:  C-

None of them shed tackles particularly well.  Hull and Sales (who made a nice, if easy interception) are still slow to the ball.  Aside from a few plays, Bowman was practically silent.  Not their best night as a group, after playing out of their minds against Ohio State.  That effort in Columbus seems to have spelled the end to any meaningful playing time for Bani Gbadyu and Mike Mauti -- a shame, because they should've been used at Kinnick.

 

Secondary:  D+

At the beginning of the season, most of us knew this day would eventually come.  Nobody figured it would be against Iowa.  The nightmare scenario for this team has always been the thin defensive line wearing down, and the secondary subsequently faltering.  Lydell Sargeant made such a beautiful play on a deflected pass earlier in the game, but he'll never forget the interception he dropped.  Same goes for Scirrotto's pass interference penalty -- a 50/50 call if there ever was one, but you have to expect the referee to make that call against you on the road.  It was pass interference, the only possible saving grace(s) would be the combination of the awful throw and Scirrotto's play on the ball instead of the receiver.  Many people think that Scirrotto hasn't been the same since he was arrested.  It's a thought, sure, but he's been living on his interception bonanza of a few years ago.  Same as a certain pile-jumper in Columbus, really.  He shouldn't be destroyed too much for the pass interference, though.  Kid's just trying to make a play to win the game.

Defensive Coaching: C-

Angry.  Very, very angry.  Angry at the soft zones.  Angry at blitzes that practically never work.  Angry at the personnel choices.  Angry that the team can't generate a pass rush when it's most needed.  So while I'd love to write a blistering critique of Tom Bradley, it's a little difficult.  Why?  What else could he have done?  He burned all of his defensive linemen.  The linebackers are what they are.  Same with the secondary.  This defense has been held together by scotch tape and paper clips all season long.  Once Gaines and Astorino were taken out of the equation, things slowly fell apart.

Also, how many blatant breakdowns of deep coverage have we seen this year? 

 

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Also, how many blatant breakdowns of deep coverage have we seen this year?

We’re past the point in the season where you can expect a defense or a unit to come together. They are what they are at this point and we’re stuck with them. They have been averaging one major screw up per game. We should expect more of the same going forward. We might as well gift every team seven points from here on out.

by BSD on Nov 11, 2008 10:27 AM EST   0 recs

They have been averaging one major screw up per game.

We may be over-reacting a bit here. One major screw up per game sounds like a good average to me. Obviously you’d like that number to be 0, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find a secondary that averages only 1 ‘major screw-up’ every 2 games.

Did the defensive depth hurt us late in the game on Saturday? Absolutely. But we’ve known that could be a problem since the beginning of the season. One game in tough conditions where we didn’t make a stop does not prove that this unit makes up ‘an average defense’. You said it yourself RUTS, take Gaines and Astorino out, and there are problems. That’s 2 key contributors on D, of course there will be a fall-off.

How badly did they need Sean Lee? Chris Baker, Phil Taylor, and Devon Still?

I don’t think anybody wants Baker or Taylor back – no matter the result on the field. Lee and Still, yes, a million times yes.

by Kunk on Nov 11, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think it was more "one major screw up that the opponent's offense exploited"

our defense has been making way more than 1 major screw up a game, they’ve just been getting lucky.

Sorta like how Clark has been getting lucky that his passes haven’t been intercepted. I was rewatching the games a bunch last week, and noticed that he’s made some actually really bad decisions on passing when under pressure. I’m all for avoiding the sack, but those passes should be going out of bounds, not into double/triple coverage. Also, he’s had a lot of passes sail on him.

Anyway, this is a discussion on the defense, so sorry for going off track with that.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Now we find out....

If this team is like the 1999 squad, or the 2005 squad.

Paterno was right, we didn’t know how good this team was until it faced adversity. When adversity came, our “senior leaders” were no where to be found…all I saw on the sidelines was a lot of heads hanging.

You think MRob lets this team lose this game? I doubt it.

by Tom63 on Nov 11, 2008 10:42 AM EST   0 recs

Hold on

We faced adversity at Ohio State, in a way more hostile environment, at night, with our backup qb, when we were actually losing the game.

We were ahead in this game right up until the last-second field goal. I think our leadership is fine, just came up a little short in this one. It’s tough to win em all.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

one more parallel between this year and 2005

aside from a heartbreaking loss on the road with 1 second left on the clock (granted at Michigan their play started with 1 second, while this play ended with 1 second), but they both followed fantastic night games with huge defensive efforts against Ohio State the week before.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Forget 1999

There were two really, really good teams left on the schedule in 1999. We play Indiana this week. Just what the team needs.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 11, 2008 10:43 AM EST   0 recs

Right

Remember 2005. After the gut wrenching loss to Michigan MRob and the boys went out and dropped 61 points on Illinois. Indiana is just what we need right now.

by BSD on Nov 11, 2008 11:10 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

63, actually ;)

I think MRob had five touchdowns.

I’ll always remember one play from that game, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xZOsiPr_Eo

by ReadingRambler on Nov 11, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

another superfluous correction

he had 6 touchdowns if I remember right, and all of them in the first half. God I hope something like that is coming again this week. I wouldn’t mind Darryl Clark accounting for half a dozen scores.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 11, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

OUCH!

Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow!

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 11, 2008 1:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I say we crush Indiana, then go out with sledgehammers and smash up their rock.

At the least we should be able to beat them for a 12th time.

I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?

by psu on Nov 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Sigmund calls

“He burned all of his defensive linemen.”

Freudian slip, RUTS?

Oops Pow Surprise: "I'm stuck writing at the Titty Barn."

by Hawkeye State on Nov 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST   0 recs

Mauti

I actually saw Mauti in the game in the 4th quarter playing alongside Hull and Bowman. Granted, it wasn’t enough time for anyone to notice though. That pass interference call could’ve been a make-up for the roughing the punter on Boone a couple minutes before

by WPIALkid22 on Nov 11, 2008 12:22 PM EST   0 recs

you are way too nice

Saturday was a defensive debacle, through and through.

by telly on Nov 11, 2008 1:41 PM EST   0 recs

I expected it to be much worse than it actually was.

One more point on the coaching front. After Clark nearly gave away a touchdown on the first series, Iowa took over at the 25 and needed two plays to score. All of Penn State’s defenders were completely blocked at the point of attack on both plays. It was utterly embarrassing. They weren’t ready.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 11, 2008 1:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Agree it was a borderline interference call on Scirrotto, but as an experienced senior he needs to better evaluate the situation to try to make such a play. You can’t give the official a chance to make such a call. Also the pass was too high for the Iowa receiver to possibly catch. Scirrotto should have backed off or simply tried to deflect the ball instead of trying for the interception. Hey, I like to see aggresiveness, but a player with his experience can’t get caught up in the moment.

by jabama on Nov 11, 2008 2:10 PM EST   0 recs

No way

You can’t blame Scirrotto for going for the interception there. He had position and if the receiver doesn’t run into him he makes that catch. If he makes the INT the game is over. I can’t blame him and say he should have backed off. He was making a play on the ball. What he should have done is try to make the catch with his hands instead of trying to cradle it in his chest.

by BSD on Nov 11, 2008 2:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Bad Call

The PI was a questionable call, but like 2005, “cutesy” playcalling in the redzone was what killed us. It should have never come down to that last drive. If those three field goals were TDs, it’s a different story.

In 2005, we tried long field goals on two 4th and VERY short situations in the first half, and walked away with no points.

If Iowa was coming after Clark, why not move the pocket around. Roll him out. Put the edge defenders on islands.

by Spats on Nov 11, 2008 2:48 PM EST   0 recs

I just don't understand

how the defense had such a difficult 2nd half. They damn near didn’t even have to play in the first half at all. The blown assignment that left the IA receiver wide open for a touchdown, earlier in the drive where Greene scored IA’s last touchdown and earlier in the drive that resulted in the winning field goal were all possessions that should not have ended in points. That’s 17 less points for IA. Even if we don’t score more points, IA has 17 less, we have the ball more and it’s not even a game.

I don’t know if it’s coverage issues, too much zone, bad defensive strategy but we ALWAYS allow too many 1st down conversions. Particularly on 3rd and long (or so it seems, maybe those are just the times I remember) where forcing the opponent to punt in key game situations.

The offense held the ball for all but about 7 minutes in the first half. Sure that should have meant a whole lot more points and it should have also meant that we should have been able to just run the ball down their throats at will, but what more can a defense ask for? We only needed 13 points to beat friggin’ OH State.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 11, 2008 3:42 PM EST   0 recs

Actually

coming into the Iowa game Penn State was allowing just 12.8% conversion rate on 3 and greater than 7 or 10 (according to Espn the Mag). We actually up until tOSU game had not allowed a 3 & 10 or more to be converted.

Scary.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 11, 2008 5:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Wow

that just seems so unlike us (historically speaking). I know it probably just seems like we allow those conversions more often than we actually do. If it happens twice in a possession (am I spelling that right?) it makes it seems like we must have done it 10 times during the entire game.

I remember being at the “snow bowl” vs MI in (was it?) ’97. It seemed like we were giving up those long 3rd down conversions all day long (again, we probably did it like twice). My buddy and I started joking everytime the wooferines had a 3rd and 8 or longer “They got us right where they want us”.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 11, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The Snow Bowl was '95

I think ’97 was the year of that awful game where they beat us 34-7.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 11, 2008 10:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

my friend and I have had a running joke about that for a while

basically how we feel much more confident when the opponent has a 3rd and short instead of a 3rd and long. For whatever reason (probably the secondary playing too soft), we always give up short passes that get EXACTLY the yardage needed. On those 3rd and short downs, though, we jam them up.

Maybe our secondary isn’t good enough to play man and jam the receivers, but I wish we would at least try it more often instead of the soft zone we seem to employ at those critical times. I forget what movie it was, but I always think of that scene where the coach is like, “I want you to play big, to try as hard as you can. I don’t care if you make a mistake as long as you make it big”. Not every play, mind you, but on some of those critical stop type plays it would be nice (hence why I’m not upset at Scirrotto’s DPI call, since at least he tried for a big play)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 9:23 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

part of the problem is that our pass defense relies heavily on QB pressure (which I think we’re pretty good at and pretty successful at) and when we get into big/close conference games it just starts to get to easy get away with holding the pass rushers.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 12, 2008 10:51 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

"Penn State hadn't taken on any proficient passing offenses yet."

Are you saying that Iowa was that proficient passing offense?

All I know is I didn’t truly realize what a liability Hull is until I saw it from 8 rows up at Kinnick. I’m sure he’s a nice kid and it’s a great story, but he should not be starting next year. Our front 7 could be nasty if they put Lee in the middle.

by speedomike on Nov 11, 2008 9:39 PM EST   0 recs

Not at all. It was just a luxury we'd enjoyed so far.

They were stunningly competent in the second half, though.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 12, 2008 12:08 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Or the 4th quarter, really.

Anyway, the answer is still no.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 12, 2008 12:09 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I don't what specific thing it was

but I didn’t have any confidence that we would stop Iowa’s last drive.
The team just didn’t seem fired up enough.

by NJ lion on Nov 11, 2008 10:23 PM EST   0 recs

this was the first game where I didn’t really feel confident in our team on either side of the ball, and I had that feeling from pretty much that first drive of incomplete pass, incomplete pass, drop back to pass and hold the ball like a loaf of bread over top of his head fumbling it into the endzone, short punt, followed by, run, run, TD Iowa.

Then we kept settling for FGs…ugh. Where was our HD?

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2008 9:26 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

HD against Iowa =

Huge Disappointment
Half-hearted Display
Hefty Dump

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 12, 2008 9:49 AM EST to parent up   1 recs

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