"The Only Retirement I'm Looking Forward To Is Yours."
That was the quote Joe Paterno dropped on Harrisburg Patriot-News columnist David Jones a few years ago at a press conference, so perhaps it's only fitting that Jones has a new column debunking the current (and annual, for that matter) Joe Paterno retirement rumors:
Paterno is about to have total hip-replacement surgery. It's a procedure that's been done for decades and has a high rate of success, even in octogenarians. That should take some stress off his right knee which has been hurting him like crazy all season.
If it works, trust me, a largely pain-free Paterno is not quitting. The best guess here is, provided reasonable success by his team to supply him the necessary clout to continue, he will coach through 2009 and probably through 2010, as well -- then hang it up.
That's right, Jones is conditionally predicting two more years of Paterno. If that's true, we can play this "will he or won't he?" game a while longer. The rumors flying around are rather silly and speculative. There are eight million former players returning to campus! Sue Paterno reserved every luxury suite for friends and family! If Joe's on the sideline, we'll know it's his last game!
Still, for whatever reason, I can't escape the notion that Saturday will be Paterno's last home game at Penn State. No hard information here, just a hunch.

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I'm in agreement.
I just think it’s the last one.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 19, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To me, it's about more than just the hip.
Remember, he was in very, very serious condition when he got the flu a year or two ago. He said recently that he’s looking forward to getting the hip surgery and doing some recruiting, but how many recruiting trips has Joe taken since Derrick Williams’ recruitment? Two? Three?
This is a giant exercise in reading tea leaves, but the “get out there and do some recruiting” line kind of stunk to me. Not buying it.
You know what the weird part is? If he retired, I don’t even know if I’d be happy or sad. Probably a lot of both.
by Run Up The Score on Nov 19, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be sad
Like virtually everyone that follows Penn State football (and I’d probably guarantee EVERYONE that has ever read this blog), I’ve never known Penn State without JoePa. Someone recently made the analogy to Thanksgiving without Grandpa or something along those lines. Well my grandfather passed away about 10 years ago, and let me tell you, our Thanksgivings have flat out sucked since then.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
…BSD should go over 2,500,000 all-time page views this weekend. Yay!
by Run Up The Score on Nov 19, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, added the poll.
Don’t want to get into the various scenarios too deeply (Should he retire? If he coaches from Heaven, does that count?), just interested in the general feeling of the fanbase heading into the game.
by Run Up The Score on Nov 19, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weekend at Beaver's
let’s make it happen!
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
simple polls are the best, IMHO
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 20, 2008 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But for the record
If he does coach from heaven – Yes, it does count. That’s no different than coaching from the press box.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 20, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe does retire
I assume its only going to be as head coach. You know they’ll give him some title like “Head of football integrity” or something and he’ll spend all his free time at the Lasch building…or he’ll finally go get that law degree his father wanted him to have.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 19, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Retirement
They should make Joe Emperor of College Football when he retires.
MR. PATERNO WILL BE FINE THANK YOU
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 19, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As far as hunches go
I think Jones is probably close. Knee, hip, whatever, I haven’t bought into the “this is the last year” throughout this season. The decision to go for surgery (pending what the docs say about recovery) soon after the MSU game actually sealed the “probably staying” scenario for me. If “post bowl = beginning of retirement”, then why wouldn’t he wait until then when he would have TONS of time on his hands for recovery?
Plus, I think he probably forsees being competitive over the next two years. And possibly looks forward to the idea of at least seeing a “Royster-and-Devlin-as-seniors-backfield” before handing over the reins.
But, not going on anything here but gut feeling/instincts. Guess it won’t be too much longer until we’ll know one way or the other.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 19, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't have the faintest idea
But my gut tells me he’s leaving.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 19, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think his health will give out...
before he mentally gives out, and when I mean gives out I mean heart attack, stroke, or cancer….that is what it is going to take to get him out…
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Nov 19, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Retitement is not in Joe's thinking
At the beginning of the season I believed Joe would coach 3 more years (now 2) as Jones is predicting. Whether that happens will depend on a debilitating health condition occurring that would prevent him from doing so. We should have a pretty good idea by January whether the hip surgery will corrected his current problem or not. If he is mobile, without pain then it’s 2 more years God willing. I think he needs to prove to Spanier in January that he is recovering and is physically and mentally capable of being head coach.
by ageing lion on Nov 19, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe doesn't have to "prove" anything to Spanier
Joe > Graham. He owns him and there’s nothing Spanier can do about it.
by blogue20 on Nov 19, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, unless he's a dummy, Spanier knows it
That meeting is probably more like a “So what do you think, Joe? Are you thinking you’ll come back? Just need to know if you want me to start looking or not.”
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 19, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately, Spanier DOES know it
but instead of working how you suggested, it is more, (Spanier thinking to himself) “Man, how can I get Joe out of here so I can be big man on campus? Let’s see, I won’t offer him a contract extension, so if he has more than 3 losses I can just be like, ‘Joe, the game has passed you by, perhaps it is time to stay home with Sue more’, and if he goes undefeated or only loses one, I can be like, ‘hey Joe, why not go out on top?’ of course if he only has 2 or 3 losses, then I’ll have to figure something else out…”
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe
I’ve had every feeling possible this year. For awhile I thought he was done, once the season started I thought he wasn’t, then he went to the press box. Now my final feeling is that he will continue to coach. It’s all he knows.
by psuphiman80 on Nov 19, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've been of the feeling all year
and really every other year as well, that if his health holds up, Joe will coach until he is physically unable to. The injury and press-box appearances this year made me think this might be the end, but I guess it is all up to whether the surgury and recovery is successful or not. As far as octagenarians go, Joe would be #1 on my list of people I’d expect to recover fast.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paterno
Does anybody feel that the riff between Spanier and Paterno will actually make him more reluctant to retire? I just get the feeling that even if Paterno wanted to retire after this season, he would stay just to stick it to Spanier. Joe knows that he has tremendous bargaining power because of the team’s success this season, and I feel like he would use this power to get a new contract simply to prove that nobody else has the power to make him leave. It sounds like I’m slighting Joe, but I don’t mean to…I think he’s earned the right to make the decision, and if that means he has to show up Spanier, then I’m more than fine with that.
by DurtyPaul44 on Nov 19, 2008 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it has less to do with Joe getting another contract
as much as Joe wanting to name his successor from the inside. I could see Joe sticking around longer just to be able to do that (though really I can’t imagine his bargaining power being any stronger than it is this year, opposed to in the future when he is closer to retirement and/or suffers another potential setback like 2003-2004)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading couple of previous Spanier/Paterno
posts started getting me thinking along these same lines. Sticking around for assistants to get a little more experience might be a motivation to take away (Dr. Spanier’s) reasoning for going outside the program for a successor. Giving them more responsibility for game prep, recruiting, etc. is all stuff to say (to Dr. Spanier) “Hey it’s not (just) me that’s make us a winner. The assistants are doing all the hard work. We gotta give pass it on to {insert successor’s name here} the green light for keeping this program going the way it’s going.”
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 19, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The benefits to his assistants
was never even something that I even actually considered, but I think it’s a very good point. Joe is an unbelievably brilliant guy, and his brilliance certainly isn’t limited to football. I think it’s a great point that you’ve brought up. Maybe Joe has been coaching from the booth for a greater reason than his physical pain. He is clearly in pain and I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me that the assistants have received more national recognition this year as opposed to other years. So, maybe this is the reason Joe continues to coach from the box. Then again, I could be totally wrong and he’s just in pain. Regardless of whether he’s doing it intentionally or unintentionally, he’s making a strong case for the university to stay within the program with their next head coach.
by DurtyPaul44 on Nov 19, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did anyone else notice
(and I don’t know if they’ve always done this, and I just noticed it cuz it is the first game I wasn’t at since he’s coached from the box)
but at the end of the Indiana game, when Bradley went out to shake hands they had the title “Coach Bradley” and were basically talking about “Coach Bradley” as if he was the head coach, and they didn’t really do the normal pan up to the pressbox to show Joe.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say "yes I did"
but I’m not sure I would read too much into that. Part of that could just be chalked up to the fact that it was on the BTN.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 19, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
The announcer called him the “defacto head coach”. Kind of irked me a bit. As if Joe isn’t even coaching anymore. The announcer quickly caught his mistake though and quickly added “on the sideline”.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 19, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's certainly some merit
there, but I also think that some of the recognition that you mention (re: assistants) would have come with even with him on the sidelines. I think the need to coach from the booth is authentic “it’s physically uncomfortble to be on the sidelines”, but I think the rest of it could be spot on.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 19, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and I think it is a fantastic attitude! Go Joe. If he wants to sit in the press box until the end of time, he has earned it! Not just through what he did for PSU, but college football in general.
by letsgopsu on Nov 19, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more
I’m so confused as to why the Penn State administration doesn’t embrace Paterno more. I think that his emphasis on academics is in large part what makes us so proud to have graduated from Penn State. By this I mean that for the most part, during Joe’s tenure, we have been a top-tier football school. This is certainly an achievement in and of itself, but I think that what most Penn State grads are proud of is that we have a top-tier football program AND that Penn State’s academics are very strong. I don’t remember Joe ever complaining that Penn State’s academic standards were making it too difficult for him to recruit good players. (I’m looking at you Steve Spurrier) Plus, don’t we have one of the top graduation rates of all division I football teams? And that library built by donations from Paterno? It seems to me that the administration ought to be touting Paterno as exactly how college football should operate. I just hope they don’t learn the hard way that not every head coach focuses on academics the same way as Paterno.
by DurtyPaul44 on Nov 19, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Where in the world did you get that Avatar. That is awesome.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 19, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just like how the first hit in Google Image search for Graham Spanier is this
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck That ^^
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno
by TheGunslinger on Nov 20, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice..
This picture pretty much accurately depicts $panier and his abilities.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 20, 2008 6:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite my belief that Joe Paterno is actually a robot
I think that he will be coaching his last game this weekend.
Throughout my years of watching Penn State football I have maintained that Joe Pa is inhuman, defying time and the rigors of a physically and mentally taxing profession with his ability to look young, act young and maintain such a mental sharpness.
Yet this year time did in fact catch up to him, and to my disbelief, he is human after all.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 19, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I STRONGLY DISLIKE DAVID JONES
I SOOOOOO wish I had time to look back through all of his old articles that cited “unnamed sources on the Board of Trustees” who assured him that Joe was as good as gone, and that there was going to be immediate action to get rid of JoePa.
Yeah, so much for that, Jones.
Now he chides other journalists with “It’s a lot easier than actually doing some real reporting on a story they can’t get access to.”
What, Jones – just like you do and your top-secret sources and useless info from “unnamed” trustees?
This? This is why I dislike David Jones. Not because I disagree with his point (he’s 100% right today), but because he’s a crappy journalist.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 19, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about David Jones
Years ago I stopped reading any article David Jones wrote that contained the word “I”. I haven’t finished an article of his in years!
by PSU89grad on Nov 19, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered
if there was ever a trustee who was thinking “man, I hope he doesn’t out me” or if every single one of them thought “man, who here spread those lies?”
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My unamed trustee source
Claims Joe’s success determines his future in the program. If Joe wins a lot of games it’s up to him and no one can do anything about it.
This season has gone really well, Joe’s not going anywhere.
This brings me to the following:
If Joe equates retirement with death (which he does), and he will be forced to retire if he’s not successful (I’m told he will), then it follows that Joe equates losing with dying.
I’m serious.
by millzners on Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe is hanging around....
so that he has more of a say in Jay’s future…. Jay has 6 kids and Sue doesn’t want Jay to pack up the family and leave for another school. The longer Joe stays, the more experience Jay gets and more of a chance he gets the OC or (gasp, dare I say) HC position….
by PSU Jen on Nov 19, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please Jen
DON’T say it. Especially the HC words.
Gulp.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 19, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get this reasoning
I don’t buy the nepotism excuse as a reason for JoePa staying. It just rings hollow to me. I could see him wanting to MAYBE get Jay the OC job, but I really don’t think Joe is sticking around to make sure Jay is in line for the HC position.
On the list of reasons JoePa might have to stay, I think this one is way down the list. And I’ve seen no evidence to prove otherwise.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 19, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dare! Dare!
(Sorry – can’t pass on the chance to reference Blazing Saddles…)
by IcersGuy on Nov 19, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Sue doesn't want Jay and the kids
moving in with her and Joe when he’s out of a job.
by NJ lion on Nov 19, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
Joe’s staying – at least through 09, and probably through 2010. First time I’ve agreed w/ Jonesy since about 2002…
by pennst92 on Nov 19, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will be but...
maybe it should be? I feel so torn on the subject I would feel ok either way I guess…
"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson
by phishead_psu on Nov 19, 2008 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Paterno will coach from his grave
He’s that powerful of an entity at PSU…
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 19, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not torn at all.
I can’t imagine a Penn State season without JoePa, and I don’t want to. It will be a sad day for me when he announces his retirement. However, I don’t believe it’s going to be this year, based on his comments. I’m hoping that I can spot him pacing the sidelines at the PSU/Alabama game in 2010. Following the dismal years, where he had all of those naysayers saying that he should go, hasn’t the man proven that he can still put together a damn good football team (twice!!)??? Although we’re all disappointed about the Iowa loss, this team has exceeded everyone’s expectations so far this year. Screw Spanier and his wish for a legacy. Joe will go when he’s ready and Bradley will be the new head coach.
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Nov 19, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right On
I feel exactly the same way as Paige2PSU. This is the greatest man ever associated with college football and PSU ought to feel blessed every additional minute he the coach. I’ve said it before: He coaches until he drops on the sideline and they rename the stadium in his honor before the sun sets.
by hartmann on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget...
being able to say you had undefeated seasons in FIVE decades will be very impressive (note the optimisim). He’s at four now, I think he really wants to have that before retiring and I think he thinks theres a reasonable chance to have that happen in the next two years (technically 2010 isnt in the ’00 decade, but whatever).
Personally I dont know about undefeated seasons, but good seasons, sure.
Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Traped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.
by bconway6 on Nov 19, 2008 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it is the other way around
2010 is the end of the decade (just like 2001 was the first year of the new millenium, while 2000 was the last year of the prior). There wasn’t a year 0, right? so the numbering starts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
But what I would really like is for him to go undefeated in 2009 or 2010 AND in 2011, then he gets to add 2 more decades with an undefeated season in it :-D
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 19, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if it's his last game or not...
but if anyone other than Joe (or his doctor) makes the decision, I’m going to be ten kinds of pissed off. I will lose a lot of the pride I have for psu.
by borisborisboris on Nov 20, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking it's not his last home game
But I think he knows this year was probably his final legit national title team. I mean, not saying the next two years will blow or anything, but I think he saw this being the one to say “See? I can still get it done”, get a few more 7-9 win seasons and fade into the sunset.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 20, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I kinda agree with that...
That Iowa game may have pushed him further out. I think had we won that and gone to the MNC that he would have ridden out on top of that horse but I think he stays until he gets another shot (insert comments about that as you may) or until he cannot go on medically/physically (waaay more likely).
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 20, 2008 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe does retire
after this season, what are the odds of a David Jones article saying, “I told you so”, completely ignoring the article just written.
by cpm126 on Nov 20, 2008 8:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Forced
If Joe equates retirement with dying……if he is forced out at some point would that be considered murder? Joe should coach as long as he wants and I don’t think this is his last home game
by farrellpsu on Nov 20, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Distracting hype
I know there are ALOT of rumors flying around about something besides a football game taking place in Beaver stadium this Saturday. Sue Pa renting all of the luxury boxes, former players in attendance, No band at half time. If this is true, I do not beleive it is for a retirement announcement. Joe would not do it that way if he was retiring.
I do believe that there may be an announcement regarding Paterno. I think it is possible they are going to dedicate or rename the field or stadium ie: Paterno field or Paterno Stadium.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno
by pslion on Nov 20, 2008 9:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great... now this...
Just when I thought I could just concentrate on the game I see stuff like this and my damn stomach will be knotted up until Saturday afternoon. Rumors are ugly things…
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The band is playing at halftime
That rumor started on some message board and spread like wildfire. They will be performing the show they did not get to perform against Indiana due to the rain.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 20, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You Mike
This is why I only look to BSD!!!!
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno
by pslion on Nov 20, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard...
JoePa will be patrolling the sidelines on a 1985 Harley Davidson softtail… JohnCap is bringing his Heisman so he can use it to bash and destroy that awful Land Grant trophy at game’s end… the 82 and 86 NC teams will be in attendance handing out scientology ‘stress test’ forms… the Bermuda Traingle missing Flight 19 Avengers will perform a flyover before the game… 4 out of 5 dentists don’t really give a shit what kind of gum you chew… that kid Mikey died from eating pop rocks and drinking a coke… the airports might be crowded at Thanksgiving… the post offices may be crowded on tax day… OJ may be close to finding the real killer(s)… Charlie Weis is an offensive genius… there is nothing faster than the speed of light or, as we know it, ESS EEE CEE SPEED… any chick on BSD sounds hot… etc… etc…
take that! :>)
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 20, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank You Erik
This is why I only look to TME!!!!
pax et amor
by jtothep on Nov 20, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TME - providing cutting edge BS to BSD since 2008
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 21, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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