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I have heard from countless Big Ten fans that my team has no defense, thats just not true. I would like to see Penn States slow defense try to keep up with the likes of crabtree... And there is a reason that the Big Ten is "looked down on"... All I can say is, win out, got to the MNC, and kick some ass (unless it turns out to be Texas). If you don't like being the "underrated Conference of the nation" then do something about it. I happen to like Penn State for the most part, Mainly because my brother is a huge penn state fan and couldn't be more delighted with the season Joe Pa is having.

I have read much of your open thread and just want to say from the comments I have read, my team is better than what they looked like last night. The first half was abysmal, the offense wasn't working, tech dominated time of possession, our D-Line and O-line was getting dominated. We were on the road, on national spotlight and getting our asses kicked, and still... Our boys had it in em to fight back, and yes in the game lose, but lose with class. I cannot stress enough how proud I am of my team, I wouldn't trade em for anybody...

With all that being said, go out and kick some SEC ass! Big Ten fans are not the only ones sick of hearing about how "great " the SEC is...

HOOK'EM!

BTW, by now I reckin all of you have seen the polls, and I am just curious, do you think Texas is a top 5 program? Last night we were off our game, particularly on offense (which gave up 9 points).

 

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How Is OSU our fault?

Listen my man. We’ve taken care of our postseason business the last three years. We beat FSU in the conferences last BCS win. We beat Tennessee in the Outback bowl in 2007, and took down A&M last season.

Further, we went out and smacked OrSU, a team that handled USC. I don’t know what we’ve done to be lumped in with Ohio State other than play in the same conference as them. WE haven’t blown it in big games, so why are we taking the abuse as if we had?

If you want to talk about a fraud, lets talk about Oklahoma. What have they done outside the Big 12? They’ve blown it to LSU, USC, WVU, and Boise BCSvbowls. Why don’t they suffer? They’ve failed just as much as OSU has, if not worse, and yet that reputation doesn’t pursue them. If they’re failures don’t follow them, why do we get punished for the sins of OSU in games we wern’t even a part of? Makes no sense to me.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Nov 2, 2008 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because the rest of the big twelve wins....

as far as why you have gone down with tOSU, because they have owned the big ten and the gotten their asses kicked. And if you really want to compare team VS team VS team, exp PSU beat OSU but OSU beat USC so PSU must be better than USC, wrong. USC handled tOSU, and Penn State barely barely beat tOSU, so USC must be better than PSU, again wrong. As far as why the Big Ten has taken such a huge hit, is because the best of your conference gets their ass kicked by the best of every other conference, with the exception of penn state beating the best of the very worst conference BARELY in 05 (FSU). And then to be blunt, all of your other bowl wins have been crap :(

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

USC played OSU at home with no Beanie Wells and no Terrelle Pryor.

PSU played OSU on the road with Beanie Wells and Pryor.

Slight difference

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At night

I might add.

AND beat the Vegas spread. All things considered, most people don’t really understand how momentous of a win that was. Especially considering OSU was starting to get their legs underneath them after pummeling MSU.

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by 06Lion on Nov 2, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas still looks better than most other schools out there

and did keep it close last night to a new top-3 team.

As far as how your team looked, maybe it was just last night that your offense couldn’t get it started, but that seemed about par for the way the defense has been playing all season (at least looking at stats, and from the 2 games I actually watched)

Not sure how many Penn State games you’ve seen, but it can’t be that many if you are calling our defense slow, but yes, I think pretty much any defense would look slow compared to Crabtree.

Penn State continually does what it has to. We generally win our out of conference games, even against other elite BCS teams. I know people are looking at the out of conference schedule this year, ignoring the Oregon State game, and saying, “wow, Penn State plays weak teams”, but for anyone that actually follows the team and looks at their out of conference schedule of the past decade, they’d know they don’t schedule down, at least any more than any other school. With that said, we would love for the chance to prove it on the field against any team.

Let’s see if the voter’s opinions will allow that, though, because you know, Ohio State has shit the bed 2 out of 3 of their last national championship games (people conveniently forget how they actually won the 2002-3 championship in what many say is one of the most exciting bowl game/championship game/any game ever, and just look at the oh so large sample size of 2 games, while ignoring the rest).

Also, not sure if you recall, but Penn State also had an away game against a top 10 team on the national stage not too long ago (last weekend to be exact). We won that game and didn’t move at all, in fact some people were clamoring to drop us, since it was such a “snooze-fest”. You guys lost, and moved down only 4 spots. I imagine if Penn State lost the public perception would have dropped them out of the top 5, by more than 4 slots, and probably even out of the top 10. That’s the way polls work, though. The voters pick their favorites, and generally vote them up, while deciding to pick on other schools and vote them down.

Going along with the whole “big 10 sucks, look at OSU”, well, honestly Texas fans, how would you like it if people said the same thing about you and compared you to Oklahoma’s last few BCS performances (arguably worse than Ohio State’s).

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and thanks for your support

I hope you guys have a good, satisfying end to your season as well, with a likely BCS at large bid, or maybe even more (just as long as it isn’t a win over PSU in the MNC game ;-) )

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

generally

I feel that the reason PSU would drop out of the top ten (possibly), would be because of their strength of schedule. look at Texas, we beat OU, beat the hell outta mizzou, beat okie state, and lost to T Tech on the last play of the game. Bottom line is that we didn’t take care of business in the first half or the las minute thirty, but because of our strength of schedule, we won’t fall as far and rightfully so. As far as PSU getting to the MNC, unless they find a way to lose, they will be in it. Bama is gonna lose to florida, and tech will lose sometime in the next two weeks. I look forward to seeing what you can do against a top tier program.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Brother

I feel ya but unless invited, we should stay off of other teams blogs.
Even though your original post was well intentioned, you can see what happens.

by Longhorny on Nov 2, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It was mainly just a post to see what another top ten team

not in the big twelve thought of us. and for the most part, i feel that I have got positive feedback.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of the PSU fans don't hold anything against Texas,

 we just wanted you and Alabama to lose at least one game to help our chances of getting to the NC game. Personally, I’ve been looking forward to seeing a PSU-UT NC game. I’d like to see how we compare to the Big 12, which appears to be the best conference this year. And then when we win, we can hand out some “I-told-you-so”.

by NJ lion on Nov 2, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"to help our chances of getting to the NC game"

because of all the bad press we’re getting this year, I think we need all the help we can get!

by NJ lion on Nov 2, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with what you wrote

As far as Texas being a top 5 team, they might very well be at season’s end, but I don’t think I’d call them one right now due to the loss. There are still too many other teams in the mix, including Texas Tech, who the Longhorns probably would’ve beaten 7 out of 10 times.

And as for the Big 10, we do have something to prove as a conference. Yes, we didn’t lose 2 straight NC games, but we also didn’t beat Ohio State in order to get the shot.

by NittanyNutz2 on Nov 2, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My honest opinion of Texas

I like Texas. I really do. They’re my favorite Big XII team. My four year old is trained to say “Hook ’em horns!” when we’re watching Texas and that’s no lie.

I’ll admit I wanted Texas to lose last night for selfish reasons. When I watched that game I saw two teams with great offenses and terrible defenses. You could tell at the end of the third quarter it was going to come down to who got the ball last. While the media may fawn all over games like that saying they are exciting, the fact is it’s hard to win championships when you’re counting on your offense to outscore theirs. At some point in a season your offense is going to come out flat and you’re going to need your defense to step up and win a game for you. Penn State needed their defense to win a game in Columbus. Texas needed their defense to win a game last night. Today Penn State is still undefeated and Texas is not.

The media loves scoring, and teams that average 40 points a game get high rankings. It’s just a fact. You can win all your games, but if you only average 20 points a game the media will say you struggle and play down to the level of your competition. I honestly think the Big XII was grossly overrated this year because everyone loves big name quarterbacks and high scores. But they seem to forget Penn State has been hanging 45 points on everyone until they went to Columbus. Now we’re suddenly a boring low-scoring team. Yeah ok. We’ll see you with whoever you want to pair with us in Miami.

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It may be cliche...

…but it’s also true. Offense wins games, defense wins Championships.

by The Mess on Nov 2, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY

Offense wins alot of “oohhh, ahhhh” games, but a defense will win you a title. Mike said it best, and its what I’ve been saying to alot of people I have the debate about – every good offense is going to have one game out of 12 that things aren’t clicking, the rhythm isn’t there. When that game happens, a good team doesn’t always find itself with a huge problem – that your defense isn’t going to be able to have the offense’s back. No matter how Texas Tech got their points (pick 6, whatever), they scored 39, and that just isn’t excusable from a team that wants to play for a nat’l championship. A good defense at least slows down a good offense. I can honestly say I don’t think Texas Tech would score more than 24 points at the most on Penn State, for many reasons.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to play devils advocate

I think very very few defenses can “easily” contain dynamic offenses like Tech and OU. But let you remind you that Illinois put 24 on us. If your argument is that Tech’s offense is not even as good as Illinois, i’m going to have to vehemently disagree. I think PSU could beat Tech handily – just like I think Texas beats tech 9 out of 10 times – but to make the claim that they wouldn’t score, I can’t swallow that.

by PSUhorn on Nov 3, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

20% of the time I agree every time

I couldn’t agree more that the Texas Tech offense is very, very good in its own respect. Crabtree is arguably one of the best WRs in the nation, and there isnt a team in the country that wouldn’t take Harrell as their qb. The Illinois offense is crap compared to that of the Red Raiders, agreed 110%.

But…

This stigma has been snipped at a few times, but Tech really doesn’t know what its like to face a defense. Almost unfairly to them, if they would play PSU, they wouldn’t have faced a real defense yet, thus not knowing what to think when Harrell is harassed in the pocket, the receivers have to play physical, and it will be a new thing for Harrell to not be able to eat a sandwich in the pocket before picking a guy to throw to. Seriously, we’d play nickel D on these guys the whole game, still get a great pash rush, and present them with something they have yet to see. Probably ever.

Proof you ask?: Less than 300 days ago, Texas Tech faced Virginia in the Gator Bowl. Now, Virginia’s defense was pretty good last year, but I doubt many would say great. Above average we’ll call it. Heading into the 4th quarter of said game, Texas Tech had amassed an entire 14 points. If you go back and look, yes, you’ll see that Tech won the game 31-28 via a wild 17-point flurry in the last 3:30 that was as much Virginia’s fault as it was Texas Tech’s credit. But the point is: Penn State 2008>Virginia 2007. C’mon. Texas Tech had scored 40+ points in all 12 regular season games last year, yet struggled mightily with freakin’ Virginia. Harrell’s numbers in the game actually look relatively impressive, then again, he threw 69 damn passes. The last 4 minutes of that game were the anamoly of the situation, the first 3 1/2 quarters were the constant. Mix in a 2008 Penn State team that would likely have its way offensively vs. their D (thus keeping Tech’s offense off the field more than other teams do), toss in a stout defense that has only given up more than 17 points once (24, Illinois), and I really REALLY like our chances, including a blowout. Which means a 3 touchdown victory, without having to cross the 50 point barrier to do so.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that our offense would be on the field that much

I think we might have a lot of quick scores against that defense rather than long, clock-eating drives. I’m not saying that I disagree with the rest of what you say, just that I think we’d score pretty quickly ourselves. Can they tackle Royster?

by Elihu on Nov 3, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They couldn't tackle Graham Zug

Then again, who can. He’s a superhero.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A game is 4 quarters

If you want to divide it up like that – Tech didn’t score an offensive TD in the second half until that very last one. That is the dynamic of these spread offenses – they can suddenly put on points quickly. Watch Oklahoma. They will at times go three series with a 3 and out, and then put up 21 points in 5 minutes.

Also, I think you would find that the D-line personnel at Texas and PSU are very similar. Texas did get quite a bit of pressure on Harrell, but their offensive line was also very effective at holding without being called. Maybin would get the same treatement.

I realize i’m not going to change anyone’s mind here, so agree to disagree. I think in any case, its just hard to compare. Incidentally, I don’t think TT would even play a close game if they played Texas again. Four weeks against top 10 opponents is draining. Likewise, I don’t think they’d beat PSU, but I think it would be a game.

by PSUhorn on Nov 3, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

If PSU can win a MNC, to me at least, they deserve all the credit they get. I am just not sold on them right now…

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

We have a lot to prove, no doubt. What makes us mad is that too many people say “Well Ohio State got destroyed the last two years so we better not give Penn State a chance.” That burns us up.

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And yet again

I agree that it isn’t fair to judge one team off of another performance. The only problem is that the big ten has appeared so weak… It would have been one thing if PSU had demolished tOSU, but the dogfight makes PSU look really bad considering USC torched em. just my 2 cent…

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BCS nonsense

This year has clearly demonstrated the need for a playoff, due to its vast inconsistency. How is it that in the past, a team loses late in the season, whether it be to a lower ranked team or a high ranked team, that they drop 10 spots. And the team that won, moves up maybe 2 spots. Now, the #1 team gets knocked off twice, and both leap frog into the top 2. That makes no sense. And then, the #1 that lost, remains in the top 6 or 7.

Reading every article about “don’t let the big ten in” is also another valid cause for a playoff. To decide just because you don’t “think” a team can match up, dictates what team gets in the BCS title game is a joke. Come up with a consistent system that puts the best team in for the title.

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 2, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya

I never said no to a playoff. I think a playoff would be great for college football.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and yet again...

how many times does it have to be mentioned that Beanie and Pryor were not in the backfield for that game. Where were you when every pundit talked about this “new-look Buckeyes” that bore no resemblance to its Coliseum incarnation and that just demolished Sparty? I suppose a McCoyless and Shipleyless Longhorns team is the same as your current team. Gimme a break

hopes Maybin wipes his ass with some TP

by conquering lion in the 215 on Nov 2, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you thin Beanie and pyor could put up 35+ on USC defense?

And what about the USC O? I didn’t see PSU putting up 28+ on OSU.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't know if they'd have won....

but they would have made it competitive. Oregon State dropped 33 on the vaunted USC defense, though. A Beaver team we beat by 31 points.

hopes Maybin wipes his ass with some TP

by conquering lion in the 215 on Nov 2, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope people haven't misunderstood what i have been saying

PSU is a very good team don’t get me wrong. I just am not sold on if they are a top 5 team. We will know in their bowl.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did Texas

demolish Oklahoma? How about Ok State? That’s what I thought. Conference wins are tough dude. O$U is our biggest conference rival and it is usually a close, tough game. All of this is moot because there is not a team in the country that is better than us in all 3 phases of the game. Period. I hope and pray we get USC or Florida so we can put to bed how mediocre we are.

by swift_retribution on Nov 2, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did Texas demolish OU?

no. OU hasn’t been demolished this year though…

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right...

OU has only been exposed in its last 4 BCS appearances. using that logic of underachievement, no Big 12 team should be in contention for the BCS based on the last two years. That argument sounds familiar……oh wait….nevermind

hopes Maybin wipes his ass with some TP

by conquering lion in the 215 on Nov 2, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Difference

Texas won their National Title.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but...

Wasn’t it the year after Ohio State won theirs?

by han_solo on Nov 3, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I was about to say

I thought Texas was busy beating OkSt at HOME by 4 right around the same time we were beating OSU on the road by 7. Christ.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats just it man

You and the media have such a skewed definition of whats “bad” and what’s “good”. Thats the angering part. You know what? I thought the game on Saturday night was bad. I saw bad defense, bad tackling, linebackers looking like fools, defensive backs getting abused, you name it.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas schedule

As you can see, the way things have played out this season, Penn State’s out of conference schedule is better than yours just considering the Oregon State win. Arkansas sucks this year. The Missouri win???? I think we have found out Mizzou was a little overrated. They will play in the Big 12 Championship, and our sixth place Illinois team gave them a very good game at the start of the season. Plus, Mizzou just beat Baylor yesterday by 3 points, needing a field goal to pull it out at the end!!! The Oklahoma and OK State wins were very good, though. However, I think with some better coaching at the end, the OK State game could have been much closer.

And I’m probably wrong, but I’m just throwing this out there. The Big 12 has all these teams ranked at the start of the season, but how many teams have played a quality BCS opponent out of conference??? Besides Mizzou and Illinois, which I have already pointed out, it seems the OOC schedule just isn’t there. The Big 12 teams have only played each other. And Oklahoma hasn’t done too well in their last few bowl games (and played worse teams than Ohio State), but you don’t see us complaining about another Big 12 team getting a BCS bowl bid. So, quit agreeing with the popular consensus from the media, their preseason polls every year alone show they know nothing at all.

That is my argument against the old the Big 10 sucks and PSU plays nobody statements…

But, what do I really think??? I think the BCS sucks and the players should settle it out on the field with a playoff…making all of this easy schedule talk irrelevant. I think the top 3 or 4 programs of each BCS conference have the talent and are “capable” of beating any team on a given night. Heck, USC has proven that you might not even need that much talent (Stanford).

So, quit bitching that PSU plays nobody and you aren’t “sold” on them yet. Don’t come onto a PSU blog and try to make us feel guilty about liking a team just because all they have done this season is win.

And just wait until next season, PSU doesn’t even have Oregon State!!!

by bbeck223 on Nov 2, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok...

First off, I never came onto your blog and “tried to make you feel guilty about playing a bad schedule”. In fact to clarify this, I wanted to see what all of you thought about my horns.

Second, If you are questioning the strength of schedule of the big 12, then look at bowl games. And compare big ten to big 12. And I think that it is pretty obvious that the big 12 is an elite conference.

third, while your out of conference schedule is very impressive (coastal Carolina, Syracuse, mighty temple, and osu) may be tougher than Texas, that at this point isn’t saying much..

And i will not apologize for not being sold on PSU, I already said when they do something worth being impressed over, I would be sold, but they have not yet so I am not sold.

And lets not lie about this, if PSU had an off game agianst Tech they would lose too.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok. Let's talk bowl games

PSU is 3-0 the last three years with wins over Florida State, Tennessee (when they were good), and Texas A&M. Michigan beat Florida pretty bad last year I seem to recall. Wisconsin usually holds up their end of things.

Don’t doubt us because Ohio State chokes in big games.

I doubt Texas could have gone into Columbus and won. There. I said it.

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness

Texas did win in Columbus “recently”, against an arguably better OSU team. That texas team and this team I believe are pretty statistically similar. Not trying to bash you at all – just pointing out that I wouldn’t say Texas could not win in Columbus.

I’m in a particularly interesting position here, since I grew up a UT fan, but attend PSU. I havn’t even thought about comparing Texas and PSU, but I do know that both teams are incredibly talented, and are 2 of the top 4 teams in the country. Other Texas fans don’t know, cause they havn’t watched the PSU games and seen the Lion team that we have seen. With that said, Texas I think is easily good enough to win in Columbus.

by PSUhorn on Nov 2, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if anybody...

…has an off game, they would lose. period. doesn’t matter if you’re PSU, Texas, whatever.

one could argue that our offense had a “off” night during the Tosu game, however our defense does what is always does and stepped up to the plate. where was texas’ defense (or tech’s defense) for that matter.

i actually wanted to see a PSU/Texas NC, but alas, i’ll have to settle for someone else.

by amandakt on Nov 2, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may not have to settle for someone else...

If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, and Alabama loses to Florida, then everyone else who matters has 1 loss, and Texas could very well (and is currently in position to) jump back up to #2.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 3, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GOOD TEAMS

FIND A WAY TO WIN EVEN WHEN THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR BEST. Do you seriously think that every time a team goes undefeated in any given year, they played perfectly in all 12-13 games???!?!??!?!? HOLY SHIT. I’m getting angry.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you only wanted to see what all of us thought about your horns??

And then you added this:

I have heard from countless Big Ten fans that my team has no defense, thats just not true. I would like to see Penn States slow defense try to keep up with the likes of crabtree… And there is a reason that the Big Ten is “looked down on”… All I can say is, win out, got to the MNC, and kick some ass (unless it turns out to be Texas). If you don’t like being the “underrated Conference of the nation” then do something about it.

First of all, “we” can’t do something about it. We hope our favorite team can. And I did not ask you to apologize for not being sold on PSU, but when Texas does something impressive on the road, let me know. All of your big games were virtually home games (yes, the Red River Shootout counts).

And we are just calling it how we see it….much like you are doing when you say PSU hasn’t impressed you yet. So, when we say Texas and the Big 12 defenses aren’t very good…well, its because every game is in the 40-50 point range. That just isn’t normal.

And if the media knew anything about the PSU tOSU game, it was that tOSU wasn’t the same team that got demolished at USC. So, once again, how was that not impressive? If you like to see defenses get shredded throughout a game, then go watch arena football….or Big 12 football…j/k (sorry, but i had to say it).

by bbeck223 on Nov 2, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets just agree to Disagree.

And as far as us arguing, I don’t really see what we are arguing about. There is only so much that fans can say, and then it has to be settled on the field.
But as far as defenses go, the I-formation is much easier to stop than the spread. There, nuff said

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who are you saying

runs the I? Ohio State? Becasue with Pryor they run a read option spread now.

by whiteoutonly on Nov 2, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They run a mixture of spread and I form.

I watched part of the game, and I saw some of both.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Last time I checked, Purdue, Penn State, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan St., and Northwestern all run the spread exclusively, or have elements of the spread in their game plans. But hey, go ahead and keep talking…

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Nov 2, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Elements of the spread being the key statement.

Ok look, you think that you have a great defense yada yada yada… lets wait tell PSU goes up against a top program ok? cause we can sit here and bs until the end of time, but we aren’t going to know who the best team is until bowl season…

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did beat a top program

Penn State beat Ohio State on the road. Ohio State is a top program. Their offense clearly is not dynamic, but their defense is outstanding, as is their special teams.

Should UT beating Ok State or Missouri be discounted because they’re NOT historically top programs? I think not. Arbitrarily deciding which program is good or bad is pointless.

by gcdyersb on Nov 2, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

misunderstood

when i said top program I meant doing well this year.. should have clarified.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt that Texas has faced more "top quality programs" this year

but to discount the #11 team in the country (and highest ranked 2 loss team, where those 2 losses came to the #3 and #7 teams) is pretty standard with the whole, “I don’t care about actual team performance, I’m gonna rag on the Big 10 because tOSU shit the bed in 3 of their last big-stage games” (with that being said, though, I don’t think tOSU has looked that impressive this year, and hasn’t really beat anyone other than Minnesota and MSU…we’ll see how “quality” those look at the end of the year).

What really makes ranking teams so hard is that except for a few non-conference games at the beginning of the year (before teams have really hit their stride), and also against generally no-name teams, all of a teams wins/losses come against each other, so you get a huge bias on rankings based on the pre-season rankings.

Imaginary scenario: Preseason rankings have OSU, PSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, and Michigan State all in the top 15. Despite how good they actually are, the media would look at Penn State’s “quality wins” and be like, “Oh my god, they are the best team ever!!!!” Would that be true? No, Penn State would be exactly good as they are now. The difference: they’d be ranked #1 instead of #3, because of the bias of those pre-season polls, and all the “quality wins over ranked opponents”.

None of it matters right now, though, since Texas Tech still has to go on and play Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. If they lose, then Penn State moves into the Top 2. If they win, then they rightfully deserve to be in the Top 2, JoePa gets screwed out of his 5th undefeated season without a championship, and JoePa and co. have more ammo for trying to get a playoff system.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean *WHEN* they lose

Tech can beat OK State, but they will lose to OU…bank on it.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"But as far as defenses go, the I-formation is much easier to stop than the spread"

I think you have to qualify that statement by saying that, currently it is easier to stop than the spread. Football strategy is cyclical I think. If you wait another 15 years or so the Power I will come back into the spot light. Why? Because defenses will have been recruiting smaller, faster players. Then offensive coordinators will realize, “hey we could just pound the ball up the middle if we put in a few more blockers”

"Boy that student section now is up and really making a gigantic amount of noise. You see the sea of white, the white out. Well they are 2 minutes and 28 seconds away from the whiteout of the Buckeyes here tonight." - Ron Franklin

by rmcmillen50 on Nov 2, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that is the most true statement on this whole thing

In time the spread will leave. It’s like the wishbone to be honest, it will take time to recruit the right players and figure out how to stop it.. That being said, we are talking about this football season.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone explain to me...

Why is holding an opponent on the road to 6 points not impressive?

 Why is holding one of the best RB’s in the country to only 55 yards not impressive?

I just guess defense is not impressive. I personally would love to watch a 13-6 game that displays sure tackling and great defense over a shootout in which the only reason a team wins is because their defense makes one stop and they get the ball last.

Teams win championships with defense. It wasn’t the LSU and Florida offenses that overwhelmed teams over the last two years, it was their defense that dominated teams.

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Nov 2, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To answer the question about Texas...

I think Texas is one of the best teams in the nation right now. I believe they have a good defense, but it doesn’t appear so because of the explosive offenses in their conference. I believe Texas wins that game by 2 TDs if they are at home. It is very difficult to win road games at night in college football.

If I had to rank the best teams in the nation…this would be my top 5

1. PSU
2. Florida
3. Texas
4. USC
5. Oklahoma

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Nov 2, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hopefully

all of this can be solved in a Big 12 VS PSU national title game. That seems perfect right about now.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

man those odds are tough

you guys get 12 teams, and we get Penn State…I do feel sorry for you guys, and hope you can at least put up a fight ;-)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 8:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like Texas' chances

They have played what most believe to be the toughest schedule in the country, have played very well in every game they’ve played while losing in the final seconds on the road at night, and have a Heisman favorite at QB. Texas Tech could very well lose, and most people think Bama will go down to Florida. Texas, IMO, would jump back up to #2 and we’ll see a helluva title game if Penn State can take care of business!

by jimbo2psu on Nov 3, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if Texas jumps to #2, then we're in trouble

Because you can almost guarantee that Florida will jump to #1 if they beat #1 Alabama in the SEC championship game. That’s no bueno for us.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why

would Florida jump to #1 if Penn State is still unbeaten. I’m saying Texas would finish ahead of Florida.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 4, 2008 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thinking is

If Texas finishes ahead of Florida, the Texas will be #1 and Florida will be #2.

My logic for Florida jumping so high is that it would be a repaet of what just happened this past weekend. If Florida (#4) beats the #1 team in the country, they will jump us, just like this past weekend when the #7 team in th country beat #1 and jumped us. And much like this weekend, this game will take place on a weekend when PSU is idle and the media will be creaming their pants over the OMG best conference ever’s championship game.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 4, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "We Have A Defense" claim

Texas’s claim for a defense would be a lot better if the cornerbacks and safeties could tackle. Seriously, the corner didn’t need to prevent Crabtree from making the catch. He just needed to tackle him inbounds, and the game would be over.

Yeah, he’s a rookie – but the fact that you’ve got a marginal rookie QB starting is part of the whole “you don’t have a defense” thing.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that was basically my argument

yes, Texas and Texas Tech might have some defense, but you couldn’t tell from watching the games they’ve played. Yes, the Big 12 has some very powerful offenses, but that doesn’t explain all the plays that blow up for huge gains because 4 guys whiffed or got shrugged off on something that a sure-tackler would handle easily. It isn’t just that the Big 12 offenses are putting up a ton of yards and points, it is that the defenses look lost out on the field, miss regular tackles, and are just generally making a lot of mistakes.

It would be one thing if the Offensive Lines were blocking perfectly, creating huge running lanes, and there was good downfield blocking, creating huge gaps for the WR to run through; if the WR’s were running perfect patterns with such speed that they were blowing by the defenders. Sure, there is some of that, but a lot of the plays were just the defenses making mistakes, leading to huge gains from the offense. Those latter plays aren’t an indication of a good offense, but rather a poor defense.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 8:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry....

…we will be ranked #1 after next weekend.

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Nov 2, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Question to Hook 'em 13....

If OU beats Texas Tech next week, who is the winner of the Big XII South since TT, OU and TU all have 1 loss and would have beat each other?

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Nov 2, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well

to make a long story short, in the event of a 3 way tie, the highest ranked in the bcs, gets the go ahead. which at this point looks like it would be UT if TT lost.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bull Shit....

We are still #3 in the BCS….

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Did we let him get away with saying our defense was slow?

Didn’t our opponents say that before the last 2 bowl games. I think the outcomes were quite favorable with our slow defense.

Settle it on the field!

by PSUncle1981 on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ah, well let me educate you a bit

last year’s bowl game was where we beat that same Texas A&M team that you guys lost to (yeah yeah, I know, every team has off games, and A&M wasn’t that good of a team). The year prior to that was where we beat Tennessee from that “OMG best conference evar” SEC.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 8:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You nailed it JuggerNitt. Pretty sure

That was the same A&M team that hung 38 points and 533 f’in yards on Texas a month prior to us beating them. I really didn’t want to get upset this morning, but too late! Seriously, there are some opinions that can actually be labeled as ‘wrong’. I’ve seen quite a few of them on here. Ugh.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well it was lovely talking to all of you

Got some different input, widened my eyes a little wider, and got to connect with a new fan-base. Good luck on your season, hope you can make a BCS bowl or MNC.
hook’em

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 2, 2008 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

You have no idea how much this “Ohio State is a good team” business is killing us. We just want to mock them for being overrated and we aren’t being given the opportunity. We end up having to justify aspects of PSU’s and tO$U’s seasons. At the end of the day, the players aren’t responsible for the schedule. They just go out and play, and they have played better than any team in recent memory wearing the blue and white. I’m the first cynical guy out their when I see weaknesses in the squad that can be exploited by other teams. This team is exceptional. I don’t really see much in the play of the offense, defense, or special teams that looks like a major weakness (aside from some conservative offensive playcalling now and then). I honestly believe it’s the best team in the nation right now, and I only wish it can showcase it’s abilities in Miami.

One question though: If Ohio State always makes the Big Ten look bad, why did they beat Texas 24-7 in Austin back in 2006? It was a #1 vs. #2 game too. Seems like you can’t have it both ways.

by Cairo on Nov 2, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This looks like

it was written by a little kid. Wonder what the “13” stands for…

http://www.ingamenow.com

by rensational on Nov 3, 2008 4:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Texas vs Texas Tech

Texas deserved it’s #1 ranking. TX is clearly one of the top teams in the country.
If this game is not a night game at Texas Tech UT wins. Even though they did not have their A game (or even B game). Texas Tech should not have jumped PSU in the AP pool. The TX game all be it impressive was not like going into a top program like TX or Ohio State and winning. Plus, I think TX Tech will loose to OK State and OK.

Peter

by psuboy on Nov 3, 2008 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tech

Will get themselves taken care off vs either, if not both, teams. No offense, no matter how good they are, can click perfectly for 12 straight games. In the case of Texas Tech, if their offense doesn’t have it for 4 quarters, their defense can’t hold up their end of the bargain. I don’t want to hear that the Texas Tech defense is good, they held down McCoy, yadda yadda. Its just not that good. Somebody will put up 40 on them and Tech won’t be able to match it. Personally, I think OU will blow them out.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, OU will dominate Tech

They have 2 weeks to watch the tapes from the Texas game. OU has that game in the bag. I am convinced.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Something's that has not been said in all of this...

There was earlier talk in this post about Ohio State losing to USC because they didn’t play with Beanie and TP. Well we’ve played the entire seasom without Sean Lee and other D-line studs. Almost the entire D has been a no-name group and they’re still beating superstars like Juice, TP, those Oregon State guys, etc. Imagine how good we would have been with General Lee!!

by NJ lion on Nov 3, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

At this point

I’m thrilled that Lee will be the centerpiece next year. While we could certainly use him, we’re winning without him. With the personnel we lose after this year, he’ll be extremely valuable next year.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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