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Week 10 Blogpoll Ballot

Here is my blogpoll ballot with some explanations below. 

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1 Penn State 1
2 Texas Tech 3
3 Alabama --
4 Florida --
5 Southern Cal 2
6 Texas 5
7 Oklahoma 1
8 Oklahoma State 1
9 Utah 1
10 Boise State 1
11 Georgia 3
12 Ohio State 2
13 Missouri --
14 LSU 1
15 TCU 2
16 Brigham Young 2
17 Ball State 2
18 North Carolina 2
19 Michigan State 2
20 Florida State 8
21 Pittsburgh 5
22 California 4
23 Georgia Tech 3
24 Maryland --
25 West Virginia 1

 

Dropped Out: Minnesota (#16), Tulsa (#22), Oregon (#23), Boston College (#25).

Ok I'm sure to take some heat for my top five, so I'll try to explain myself. I've had Penn State ranked ahead of Alabama for a few weeks now so it should be no surprise to anyone to see them out of the #1 spot. Alabama's wins over Clemson and Georgia look less impressive every week, and they have had trouble with teams like Tulane, Kentucky, and Mississippi.

I have to put Texas Tech in the #2 spot based on their win over Texas. But honestly, I'm not as impressed with the Big XII as the rest of the country is. Sure, they have some great quarterbacks and great offenses, but their defenses are terrible. I watched the Texas-TT game last night and by the third quarter you could tell whoever got the ball last was going to win. I saw missed tackles, poor pursuit angles, and just overall poor defense. I can't see Texas Tech going undefeated.

Penn State in my opinion has been the most solid team in all three phases of the game.  The defense has been stellar. Only Illinois scored more than 17 points on them. You can say, "Yeah big deal. Who have they played?" Perhaps a fair point, but look at teams like Oklahoma who have given up 26 points to Cincinnati, 35 points to Kansas State, and 28 points to Nebraska. Or Florida who have given up 31 points to Mississippi. Or even Texas Tech who gave up 24 points to Eastern Washington, 19 points to Nevada, 28 points to Kansas State, and 25 points to Texas A&M. At some point every team comes out flat and needs their defense to pull out a win. Penn State has a defense that can do that. Everyone thinks they are a boring low scoring team, but they forget that before we went to Columbus we were hanging 45 points on everyone. Put them in the Big XII and I honestly believe they would score 50 points per game. That's why they get my #1 vote.

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PSU

Still has the #1 margin of victory of all FBS schools, even after the 13-6 game. No complaints here.

My only comments:

1) I’d put Georgia at #14 and TCU around #12. TCU got smoked by Oklahoma, but I think their defense could hold up to anyone. I think of them as a Mountain West version of Ohio State. LSU and Missouri look like paper tigers, no pun intended. Georgia dropping further reflects how mediocre the league is outside of Bama and Florida.

2) Georgia Tech below Florida State?

by Cairo on Nov 2, 2008 7:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd put Georgia at #18 at best

They suck. Some of it isnt their fault due to injury, but they’ve gotten railed twice in big games so far. Their best win is at LSU, and LSU couldn’t stop Central Catholic defensively right now. After that, its probably a 2-6 Arizona St team. But, its the SEC, where you go 7-5 and finish in the Top 20.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 11:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listening to Rivals Radio this morning

and Bill King nailed it. Georgia is soft. They have the talent to win 10 games every year, but they don’t have the toughness to show up for big games. It’s like a country club there.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Before the season began

…I said that Georgia was, at least, a three-loss team. They’re on track.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 3, 2008 2:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I watched the majority of the TX-TX Tech game

and I have to say, all bias aside, I think we could take either of them. I think our offense is more than capable of scoring on either of them as well as owing the TOP game. While I don’t think our defense would exactly shut them down, I think they have shown that they are capable of forcing teams to punt, forcing teams to settle for three and forcing turnovers. Plus I’m confident that Coach Bradley knows how to prepare that squad for just about anything an opposing offense might throw at us. Coach Paterno’s record for preparing a team for a bowl game speaks for itself.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 2, 2008 7:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been saying this all along

The idiotic media doesn’t know it, but PSU could would score 45 on either team and laugh when they tried to match it.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 11:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two complaints

1) I think you’re undervaluing the Big XII a bit – USC’s riding on a single game (the beatdown of OSU) because they have no other wins of even mild consequence, and Florida is pretty close to the same (I’m not at all impressed by the victory over LSU, for reasons you’ll see below). At least you’ve got Texas ahead of Oklahoma; I just about went ballistic when I saw that reversal in the coaches’ poll.

2) What has LSU done to merit ranking at all? They’re benefiting from a huge boost from beating Auburn before we knew just how bad Auburn is. The only two real games they’ve played – Florida and Georgia – ended with them getting carved up like Thanksgiving turkey. I can maybe see them near the bottom, but top 15? Absolutely not.

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOSTED FOR TRUTH

LSU is not a top 15 team. No way. They have one win over a team with a winning record: South Carolina, at 5-3, and only three wins over teams that have one any games at all.

Florida State just lost to Georgia Tech, and they still have a better resume than LSU.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 7:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thing with LSU

It’s not that I think LSU is that good. It’s that I have a hard time believing mid major teams like TCU, BYU, and Ball State deserve top 15 rankings.

Again though, every week I post these polls and I’m bombarded with “So-and-so is overrated” and “So-and-so shouldn’t be ranked that high”, but nobody ever tells me “So-and-so should be ranked higher.”

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 11:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

Boost Michigan State, UNC, Florida State, Georgia Tech – if you’re downgrading TCU/BYU/Ball State because of mid-major rankings, then the guys one step below them should be higher. Does Michigan State at #15 or so seem odd? Maybe, but it’s waaaaay better than LSU.

LSU barely deserves to be in the Top 25. Michigan State’s beaten three teams that are at least somewhat good (Northwestern, Notre Dame, Iowa) – by “somewhat good” I mean at least in the top half of college football. LSU’s beaten one – South Carolina.

Seriously, I could make a very strong claim for every team underneath LSU to be higher than LSU. That’s a bad sign. I could see putting LSU at #20-25 – almost for nostalgia reasons – but #14? No way.

UNC or Michigan State at #14 is pretty defensible. If you put UNC up at #14, boosted Florida State by one, and dropped LSU to #20, I doubt you’d get any complaints.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Georgia...

Georgia and Ohio State have both played two Top 10 teams.

Georgia got absolutely blown out by both of them, and had no real excuses on either, as they were pretty healthy for both.

Ohio State got blown out by one (on the road, with injuries), and played near-flawless football in the second.

Other than that, they’ve got pretty equivalent schedules depending on how you think of Minnesota/Michigan State. I think Ohio State’s defensibly better than Georgia.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont worry

no way TTU or Bama makes it to the dance…

Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!

by Kunza on Nov 2, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Florida over Texas?

This is my cause of the week. Texas beat two teams in your top ten, and lost on the road, at night, in the last few seconds, to the team you’re ranking #2. Florida’s two best wins, meanwhile, come against your #11 and #14 teams, and they lost at home to Ole Freaking Miss. If you’re arguing that Florida’s playing better football right now, I won’t argue with you, but unless you’re doing this power rankings-style, how can you put UF above UT?

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by Sean on Nov 2, 2008 7:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The eyeball test.

That’s how. Texas, as usual, isn’t as great at the sum of their parts in my opinion.

I am going to expand on Fugi’s point from another post……..when have Texas and/or Oklahoma lived up to their hype in the last 5 years ? Take away the single greatest individual performance in a NC game by Vince Young and you have Mac Brown still searching for a title despite the roster absolutely exploding with talent from arguably the most talented HS football talent in the country.

For the record, I like Texas. But I think they, like Oklahoma, are over rated.

Penn State will run the table because of Paterno’s tried and true methodology……..win with Sr’s. Which frankly, is why I tihnk PSU is actually under-rated. Teams like Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, and Florida seem to win football games and be in the picture with younger talent each year. So the pollsters figure they are going to come in the next year with that talent plus the crazy recruiting class per usual. Penn State doesn’t rock the recruiting world and trudges along without making much noise for 2 or 3 years and then shows up, per Paterno’s formula with a Sr. laden team to the party, but they weren’t really invited. This year, its the line and the WRs that are mature.

Penn State will be just fine.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've had a few........

that last Florida was supposed to say LSU and or USC.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when have Texas and/or Oklahoma lived up to their hype in the last 5 years ?

Since when are we voting on the last 5 years and not this year? What Texas has done this year is well ahead of anything Florida has done this year.

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2008 8:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"We" aren't voting.......

last I checked. But I think those that do vote have biases that are completely natural and when you consider that Florida has pummeled LSU and UGA and basically everybody else they have played but Ole Miss, then I can see it. Its not like Florida is WAY ahead of Texas.

Also, I was expanding on another post with the last 5 years comment. It was a tangent and not necessarily a response to this poll.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also.......

like it or not……..I think it makes sense that a team is suppose to be playing better as the season goes on. Therefore, a loss to Ole Miss followed by 3 complete blowouts is looked at differently than a loss by Texas to Texas Tech a month later into the season.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pummeling LSU doesn’t really mean much this year. I mean, what’s LSU’s best win so far? South Carolina by a touchdown? A really bad Auburn team by 5? The Croominator by 10? It’s an absolute joke that LSU is in the top 15 in the polls right now.

If you consider LSU and Missouri about equal (I don’t think it’s even close), Texas has one more quality win. If you think Missouri counts and LSU doesn’t, it’s two more. Florida lost to a 5-4 team at home. Texas lost to a 9-0 team on the road.

This isn’t close.

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2008 8:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said.....

I am not saying Florida is light years ahead of UT, but if you would like to give me Florida and the points against Texas I would gladly take them.

But are you trying to say the Missouri team that just beat Baylor…….Baylor……..by a FG is light years ahead of LSU ? I will be the first to admit I don’t think either conference is as good as advertised and I am confident that the bowl season will bear that out. Having said that, I will take UF over UT head to head based on watching them both play several times this year. I’ll also take Urban Meyer over Mac (I’m an awe shucks nice guy who without Vince Young would still be searching for a NC despite being loaded with 5 star recruits year in and year out) Brown in a coaching matchup.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 9:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missouri has, with two exceptions (Baylor and Illinois, the latter of whom made it a look a lot closer than it really was), annihilated every unranked team they’ve played and was competitive in a game against a current top-10 team (Oklahoma State). LSU got destroyed by both ranked teams they’ve played (one of whom is no longer top-10) and has barely survived some games against mediocre teams in the SEC.

Based on that evidence, yes, I would argue that Missouri is way ahead of LSU at this point.

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2008 10:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be honest........

we won’t know until we think we know and even then we really won’t know.

I say anyone in the top 6 right now could be NCs.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 9:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is exactly why we need a playoff

Because I agree that any of the top 6-8 teams could be NCs…which is why it’s such a shame that only 2 will actually get a chance to prove that they’re worthy of the NC.

It’s all BS how this thing works…you can lose to a shitty team in the first couple weeks, win out and still make the NCG. Lose to that same team in the middle or end of the season, and you’re done.

Or win every game of the year, then lose your conference championship to another top 10 team, and your hopes are dashed, while the same team that lost at the beginning of the year to a shitty opponent goes to the NCG.

Case in point – Florida will leap Bama and play for the NC this year.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 9:21 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure someone else said this, but I haven't read through yet

but “since when are we voting on the last 5 years, and not this year?” well, ever since people are saying Penn State doesn’t deserve to be in the NC game because OSU got blown out in the last 2.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2008 9:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For what it’s worth, I think that anyone who pulls that argument against Penn State is a blithering idiot. But it really doesn’t help your cause to make that same sort of argument to justify Florida ahead of Texas. (If you’re going to put any one-loss team ahead of Texas, Florida’s the only one that makes even a little sense, if you want to argue it based on how they’re playing now rather than full-season results. But I still think it’s the wrong call.)

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2008 10:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The "eyeball test"?

The “eyeball test” should tell you that a good team could easily lose to Texas Tech, but has absolutely no excuses to losing to Ole Miss.

Ole Miss has three wins over BCS teams. They lost to Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Wake Forest.

There’s just no way you can justify putting Florida over Texas. They both have about the same resume of wins, and Florida’s loss is sooo much worse it’s not even funny.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 8:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many Florida games......

and Texas games have you watched this year ? Just out of curiosity.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three of each

Florida-Ole Miss, Florida-Georgia, and Florida-LSU. For Texas, I’ve seen Texas-Oklahoma, Texas-Oklahoma State, and a portion of Texas-Texas Tech.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 10:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They lost.......

to the number one team in the country by 4 on the road and that is supposed to be an indictment on the quality of that program ? Just sayin. If you aren’t paying attention, Ole Miss is pretty good.

For the record, I can’t stand Florida. But they are solid and I can see them ahead of Texas at this point in the season.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 2, 2008 8:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Psst – I don’t think Alabama’s a great team, either. Ole Miss has played close in all of their losses, but they’ve played close in virtually all of their victories, too. That’s not the sign of a pretty good team. That’s the sign of a mediocre team.

The only way Florida over Texas makes any sense is if you’re ranking predictively, rather than by resume, and ignoring the Ole Miss loss.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 10:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Style points

Texas’ defense is terrible. They are giving up a ton of points. Florida is blowing out everything in sight since they got caught looking past Ole Miss.

Whoever said I’m undervaluing the Big XII is correct. I don’t think the conference is nearly as good as everything thinks they are. Nobody plays defense in that league.

by BSD on Nov 2, 2008 9:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since they got caught looking past Ole Miss.

Which is why they should be ranked below Texas. Because Texas has not been caught looking past anyone.

Even if you’re ranking Florida predictively, I still find it hard to put them above Texas. So they’re blowing everyone out except for the time they didn’t. When will the next time they “get caught looking past” someone be?

Texas may be giving up a ton of points, but they’re scoring a ton of points on everyone, and for the most part they’re only giving up points to very good offenses anyway. And they’ve shown no evidence of being capable of turning into a pumpkin at any given point. Florida has.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 10:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm

That’s not a terrible arguement.

by queler on Nov 3, 2008 9:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it isn't terrible

since obviously if the offenses are that great, then the defenses will look worse, by comparison. That doesn’t account a lot of missed tackles that should be made, or broken coverage, etc. There are a lot of things that I’ve seen these Big 12 defenses do that were just plain bad playing and mistakes, and not attributable to playing against a good offense (except that the good offense could better exploit it).

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 12:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and no one in the Big Televen plays offense

the Ohio State-Penn State game was a snoozefest

There isn’t a single defense in the Big Ten that could handle Oklahoma State or Texas Tech’s offense.

You don’t have the secondary to control a Michael Crabtree or a Dez Bryant.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it would be hard

For Harrell or Robinson to complete passes to these guys from their backs. Just saying.

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right

b/c there are no DEs or LBs in the Big 12 ::rolleyes::

I wonder why no Big 12 coach has thought of rushing Harrell or Robinson and sacking them to stop them from passing the ball; geez, what a concept!!!!

It couldn’t be b/c it is damn near impossible to get to Harrell or Robinson in the shotgun, b/c by the time you get into the backfield, the ball is already gone, could it? Ever heard of a three-step drop? Do you know what a screen play is?

I think Tech has given up something like 6 sacks in 444 passing attemps so far this season. But I’m sure they’ve never seen BIG TEN DEFENSE [/sarcasm]

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

It couldn’t be b/c it is damn near impossible to get to Harrell or Robinson in the shotgun, b/c by the time you get into the backfield, the ball is already gone, could it? Ever heard of a three-step drop?

It’s pretty hard to have a three-step drop with the QB in the shotgun.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 6:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously

how often do you watch a QB take a drop in the shotgun?

How many Big Ten offenses even feature a QB in the shotgun most of the time?

Most QBs, when passing out of the shotgun, will take a short drop even with the distance they are already behind the LOS, often to re-set their feet or slightly move the pocket.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Illinois 99% of the time

MSU occasionally, Michigan a sizable percentage of the time (although they’re bad enough that it might not count), PSU frequently, OSU reasonably often since they switched to Pryor, Northwestern pretty often, Minnesota at least occasionally, Purdue most of the time, Indiana most of the time … I’ll give you Iowa and Wisconsin.

2 out of 11 (4 if you’re feeling generous and throw the “occasionally” pair into that bunch, although I’m not sure Minnesota doesn’t do it more often than that) ain’t bad, though, right?

by SpartanDan on Nov 3, 2008 6:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good

if you see it so often, why haven’t you ever noticed a QB taking a three step drop int he shotgun?

How is it possible to miss that?

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm, just take a look at what we did to you guys in the Alamo bowl...

But I guess when your team sucks and loses to Arkansas State, you have to come and serve as a fluffer for the decent teams in your conference, right?

So fluff away fluffer…fluff away.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when your only rebuttal to an argument is

we beat you guys when we played last year, you have no argument.

Seriously, go away and leave the discussion to those actually interested in discussing football.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 10:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, my rebuttal is that your team sucks THIS YEAR

As you lost to Arkansas State THIS YEAR…remember?

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 4, 2008 9:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which further proves my point

that you are incapable of discussing football

seriously, little boy, go away

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 9:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I'll stick around just to aggrivate you....

much like you have done for far too long on BSD.

Don’t you have an aTm blog where you can circle jerk with the rest of your Big 12 soggy biscuit buddies?

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

aggrivate?

you didn’t graduate from Penn State, did you?

Did you even attend college?

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 11:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A quarterback who takes three steps is not necessarily taking a three step drop. Three, five, seven step drops typically refer only to a quarterback under center.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 9:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and they can refer to a QB in shotgun

this is a minor issue not worth arguing over

but just b/c a QB is in shotgun doesn’t mean he never takes a drop

However, the original point I was making, that it is damn near impossible to get to Robinson and Harrell b/c of their quick game, still stands.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 10:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is it an issue not worth discussing? Look through any books on coaching/quarterback fundamentals, and you’ll see a 3, 5, 7 step drop, and a shotgun 2-step drop.

If you want to talk about football, you have to use the right terminology, otherwise people have no idea what you’re saying.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 2:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say it isn't worth discussing

I said it isn’t worth ARGUING over

You’re basically saying a three-step drop can only refer to a QB under center, which is not true.

One of the base series of the Air Raid offense is the Shallow Cross series, which features the QB taking a three step drop in the shotgun.

Arguing over what is and isn’t a three-step drop just b/c you don’t watch enough QBs pass from shotgun or don’t study spread offenses enough is a waste of time.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where the heck did you see that? Last time I saw a shallow cross from Texas Tech it was a shotgun 2-step.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 3:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I guess Vir-freakin-ginia

Had one hell of a time holding them to 14 points through 56 minutes in the Gator Bowl a mere 10 months ago. (and don’t even say that Tech ended up winning the game, the last 4 minutes were as much the fault of UVA as they were the work of Texas Tech)

by blogue20 on Nov 3, 2008 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF?

Now we have Aggie fans coming here talking smack? Didn’t we beat you down enough in the Alamo Bowl last year?

by BSD on Nov 3, 2008 4:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not talking smack

just pointing out what is obvious to everyone else in the nation except Big Ten fans:

The Big Ten is a mediocre football conference this year.

You have four teams ranked in the top 25 in the AP and USA Today polls.

The Big 12 has four teams IN THE TOP 10.

Didn’t we beat you down enough in the Alamo Bowl last year?

I guess in the Big Ten, a 7 point win over a team with no head coach is considered a “beatdown”.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but again....we did not lose to Arkansas State.

We’re talking about how good Penn State is because we have a good team and we know it.

You’re talking about how good your conference is because your team sucks and you know it. Why not rep your team instead of your conference? Oh, that’s right…because if you were to rep A&M, people would just laugh in your face.

True, the Big 10 may be down this year, but PSU definitely is not.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again

read my previous reply

If your only contributions to the conversation are, “We beat you last year and you lost to Arkansas State this year, so nyah”, you’re not worth replying to.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"the Ohio State-Penn State game was a snoozefest"

Can you come back when you actually know something about football?

Penn State didn’t have a three-and-out the entire game, and didn’t have one turnover. They had bad field position because Ohio State played well on special teams and defense, which seems to be lost in the Big 12. Plus, the game was short. 8 possessions is a half against a Big 12 team.

What would “bad offense” look like? Well, something like 4 turnovers, multiple 3-and-outs, etc. You know, something like the Texas A&M/Arkansas State game.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 4:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
Penn State didn’t have a three-and-out the entire game, and didn’t have one turnover.

Now you have just contradicted Mike’s earlier assertion that y’all play defense in the Big Ten. If Ohio State can’t force a single three-and-out in four quarters of football, that isn’t good defense.

Looking at the box score, between the two teams, you ran it 68 times and passed it 48 times. Neither team was able to muster 300 yds of total offense. Like I’ve said before, unimaginative offenses are making it easier for defenses to shut them down.

What would "bad offense" look like?

Well, 281 yds and 13 points isn’t exactly “good” offense. Before you try to trumpet the toughness of the Ohio State defense, please, I watched the USC game; I know that’s a load of crap.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now you have just contradicted Mike’s earlier assertion that y’all play defense in the Big Ten. If Ohio State can’t force a single three-and-out in four quarters of football, that isn’t good defense.

.. followed by…

Well, 281 yds and 13 points isn’t exactly "good" offense.

Maybe, just maybe, a good offense versus a good defense produces… just about nothing. Which is, hey, what you would expect. In fact, literally what you would expect is very few turnovers, very few three-and-outs (i.e. move the ball a bit, punt when the drive stalls) and hey! That’s exactly what happened.

please, I watched the USC game;

1) vs USC: on the road. vs PSU: at home.
2) OSU’s defense really only gave up 28 points. There was a pick-six, which is the offense, not defense.
3) Check starting field position for that game. OSU’s defense wasn’t that bad – their offense was, and it put the OSU defense against the wall each drive. USC scored once when they started inside their own 30.

Football is not nearly as simple a game as you’re trying to make it out to be.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

playing on the home or on the road

doesn’t change the speed of your players

Ohio State couldn’t keep up with what is really an average USC team.

OSU’s defense really only gave up 28 points.

You say that like it is a good thing; giving up more than 20 points in any game is poor defense.

I thought y’all played defense in the Big Ten? Or does that only extend to when you’re playing other Big Ten teams?

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

playing on the home or on the road doesn’t change the speed of your players

Tell that to any defensive line in the country. Look, I can prove that home field advantage exists. Several times over, in fact, and the two teams in question have two of the largest home-field advantages in the country. So please, don’t even attempt to suggest that playing at home and on the road are the same thing.

You say that like it is a good thing; giving up more than 20 points in any game is poor defense.

No, it’s not. Jeez, f’crying out loud. Learn football. Defense isn’t about not scoring points. It’s about preventing yards and stopping drives. Offense isn’t about scoring points. It’s about gaining yards and continuing drives. When you say things like “more than 20 points per game is poor defense,” you just sound silly.

If an offense can’t manage to gain any yardage starting at their own 5, punts, and the opposing offense gets the ball, can’t get any yardage, and kicks a field goal, that’s supposed to be bad for the defense?

Watch the game – critically, this time. Look at the play by play. Ohio State’s defense wasn’t bad against USC. The offense was, and it put the defense in terrible position, multiple times. Put in that situation, giving up 28 isn’t that big a deal.

And for crying out loud, if you’re going to use “y’all,” use it all the time, not just in the portions of the sentence when you feel like sounding pretentious.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 2:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so you think USC

would lose that game if they played on a neutral site?

I wasn’t saying a home field advantage does or do not exist, that is superflous to this argument, I’m simply saying that Ohio State couldn’t match USC’s athleticism, and that is ultimately why they lost.

No, it’s not. Jeez, f’crying out loud. Learn football. Defense isn’t about not scoring points. It’s about preventing yards and stopping drives. Offense isn’t about scoring points. It’s about gaining yards and continuing drives. When you say things like "more than 20 points per game is poor defense," you just sound silly.

DO NOT tell me to “learn football” when you make damn stupid statements like “defense isn’t about not scoring points, it’s about preventing yards”.

The whole point of defense is to keep the other team from scoring, PERIOD. Yardage doesn’t mean a damn thing. You don’t win the game by piling up statistics, you win by scoring more than the other team.

And for crying out loud, if you’re going to use "y’all," use it all the time, not just in the portions of the sentence when you feel like sounding pretentious.

That has to be the first time I’ve ever seen someone who uses a Southern colloquialism accused of being pretentious.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 10:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DO NOT tell me to "learn football" when you make damn stupid statements like "defense isn’t about not scoring points, it’s about preventing yards".

The fact that you called it a damn stupid statement just proves that you need to learn how football actually works.

Offensive turnover occurs on your side of the field, your defense holds them to a field goal, and that’s bad defense? They gave up points, so it must be bad defense, right?

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 3:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with Bleed Blue 'n White

Florida looks great, but they lost at home to a mediocre team. Texas lost on the road against a good team.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

by wookieeman on Nov 2, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya

Gotta penalize Florida for losing at HOME. F’em

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

by wookieeman on Nov 2, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Though

If I did a poll Texas would be ahead of Florida, but if I had to bet, I would take Florida -7 over Texas.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

by wookieeman on Nov 2, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Florida

I think Tech and Bama BOTH must lose. I think Florida has a good chance of passing us with the hype they could get out of a win over #1 in the SEC championship while we sit at home.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Nov 2, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wha??

Check this out. This computer ranking, part of the BCS total, still has Texas ranked #1. Unbelievable.

http://www.colleyrankings.com/

by BA2000 on Nov 2, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's just one of the computers

their computer average is third, though, while TT is tied for first with Bama. PSU is 4th.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2008 9:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Texas has a really, really strong schedule, and Texas Tech is a good team. Losing to them just pins them as “not significantly better than Texas Tech.” Texas Tech’s schedule is still pretty weak, though, and so the likelihood distribution for where their ranking sould be is still going to be mostly around where Penn State’s is.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 2, 2008 10:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FSU is too high.

Our wins:

Miami (dominated them, despite score…out gained by 250 yards)
VTech (knocked out their QB)
NC State on Thursday Night
Colorado

Now, I know the offense is seriously clicking under Jimbo (despite having 3 true freshmen and 2 sophomore starters on the OLine), but we’re not that good yet.

How resume based are you? If not resume, then I think FSU is fine.

by FSUncensored on Nov 2, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A comment from BON

"If Penn State plays any of the top 5 teams in the Big 12… they lose by 21. A lot of this is mental masturbation and statistical self-gratification. I can’t believe anyone even considers Penn State better than a one loss OU or a one loss UT.

I think I just threw up in my mouth."

Pretty amazing how quickly teams and conferences not used to success will puff out their chests and scream “what about me!?!” Also pretty amazing how quickly everyone forgets that OU has been an embarrassment in the BCS for about twice as long as OSU.

But why let facts get in the way of knee-jerk reactions?

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ultimately, what the BXII comes down to...

…is the age old chicken/egg debate. Which came first?

Are the offenses that good because the defenses are terrible, or are the defenses so terrible because the offenses are that good?

There’s really no way to prove either except by looking at OOC games, but unfortunately no one in the BXII (outside of OU with Cincy) played anyone!!

Luckily for them, they’ve been quick to use the tried-and-true “SEC Excuse,” in that the conference is just “so darn tough!!” that they don’t need tough OOC schedules.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 3, 2008 8:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OU played TCU

That’s the one OOC game that I would trumpet if I were a BigXII fan if I were to debate the offense vs. defense thing. TCU’s defense is really good but OU stomped them at home by 25.

by Cairo on Nov 3, 2008 9:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missouri played Illinois

not traditionally a “great” team, and not really looking good this year, but at the time of the game both Missouri and Illinois looked good

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2008 12:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missouri sucks

They’re basically Texas Tech, before this year’s edition of Texas Tech. They can run it up on the wankers, but when it’s time to play a real team, it gets ugly.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 3, 2008 2:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

who has Penn State played who is any good?

A punchless Ohio State team which was blown out by an average USC team?

Temple? Syracuse? Wow.

Y’all were losing at halftime, and struggling with the WORST Michigan team of the last century.

What has Penn State done that validates such a high ranking?

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 3:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Penn State has the best out of conference schedule of all top 3 teams. Oregon State is better than any team that Alabama has played. Hell Temple might be better than any team that Alabama has played out-of-conference, and Temple is certainly better than any team Texas Tech played out-of-conference.

As for the Michigan game, you do realize that football games have two halves, right?

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 3:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alabama is overrated

I’ll agree to that.

Their high ranking is based on the fact that they beat an overrated Clemson team who has since fired their coach, and then beat a highly overrated Georgia team.

If Alabama doesn’t lose in the regular season, I think they’ll drop the SEC title game to Florida.

However, their weak nonconference schedule doesn’t make Penn State’s nonconference schedule legitimate.

Everyone knows Tech’s nonconference schedule is an annual joke; their administration sets up the schedule to guarantee enough wins to be bowl-eligible every season.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the way that MI-PSU game started

reminded me a little of last year’s Alamo Bowl. Hey, come to think about it the way it ended reminded me of last year’s Alamo Bowl, too.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 3, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus...

1) The plural of “you” is “you.”

2) No one here (that I know of) is on the Penn State football team, and so therefore “you” is inappropriate, in any case.

3) The “worst Michigan team of the last century”? I’m pretty sure that the 1934 and 1936 teams might’ve been worse. They also weren’t that good in 1958 or 1962. A century is a long time, you know.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 4:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

y'all

is a contraction of “you all”

In the East, they say “yous guys” or “all of yas”

In the South, they say “y’all”

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And yet, the plural of “you” is still “you.”

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 7:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that has no relevance

since I wasn’t referring to one person, but a group of people, hence the plural form

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not an attack...

merely a clarification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You

Although phrases like you guys/you all/y’all have become mainstays in everyday dialog, the proper second person pronoun is “you” in both the singular and plural case. Just one of those nuances…

by IcersGuy on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which is why

you should have said “you,” and not “you all” contracted to “y’all.” Again, the plural of “you” is “you.”

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 2:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still

doesn’t make it sound the least bit inteligent.

by MicrobrewPSU on Nov 3, 2008 11:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice
doesn’t make it sound the least bit inteligent.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

So an unintentional typo anally pointed out is supposed to make me feel bad and forget that you intentionally shorten words and sound like a moron. Oops. Sorry.

by MicrobrewPSU on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ohio State

Ohio State is good. They went to the last two national championship games and they were ranked in the top 10. Win or lose, that’s good. And they beat them on the road at night with the Big Ten championship and the Rose Bowl on the line.

Question for you: Who has the Big XII conference played that is any good? Don’t give me the four teams in the top ten crap. That’s just the preseason perception of the media. Who has the Big XII beaten outside of the conference? Hell, who have they even played? What is the best OOC win? Oklahoma over TCU or Cincinnati?

Last I checked Oregon State is the only team in the PAC-10 that controls their own destiny. They beat USC after taking a beating at the hands of Penn State.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2008 4:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you really

want to support your argument with this statement about Ohio State:

They went to the last two national championship games and they were ranked in the top 10.

Getting slaughtered in consecutive national title games does not mean Ohio State is “good”. If they were “good”, they wouldn’t keep getting blown out every time they play someone with speed.

Best non-conference opponents for the Big 12 are probably Wake Forest, Illinois, and TCU.

All three were bowl teams last season, iirc, and Illinois is the defending Big Ten Champion.

This still doesn’t make Temple look any good. Hell, I think New Mexico could take Temple.

So, your best non-conference win for Penn State is an Oregon State team that beat an average USC team, and is currently leading the weak Pac-10? A Pac-10 conference that is behind the Mountain West in conference strength?

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All three were bowl teams last season, iirc, and Illinois is the defending Big Ten Champion.

You do not recall correctly. Ohio State is the defending Big Ten champion. Illinois was 6-2, Ohio State was 7-1.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 6:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So then

You call Mizzou beating Illinois 52-42 “a good win”, but Penn State beats Illinois 38-24 and we haven’t played anyone? Your other good wins are a mid-major team and a crappy ACC team. I’m really impressed.

And USC is “average”? Really? I bet A&M would love to be that average. Penn State’s win over Oregon State is better than any non-conference win the Big XII has. We’re paying the price for the rest of the conference’s lousiness.

It’s pretty funny to see how threatened the rest of the country is by Penn State.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, USC is average

Tell me who on their offense is above average?

USC is dominating a crappy Pac-10 this year, but that doesn’t make them an above average team.

Other than Joe McKnight, who on their offense is above average? Can you even name their leading receiver without looking him up?

Penn State beats Illinois 38-24 and we haven’t played anyone

Penn State has played two top 25 ranked team so far this season, and has one (MSU) remaining on their schedule. You can’t even get out of the South division of the Big 12 without playing 4 top 10 teams. So, no, Penn State hasn’t played anyone.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also
It’s pretty funny to see how threatened the rest of the country is by Penn State.

If you think anyone is “threatened” by Penn State, you are seriously flattering yourself.

I just thought your claim that Penn State should be #1 over Tech because “Big 12 defenses are terrible” was laughable, and chose to come over here and debate that.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BCS Losses

Does that mean Oklahoma isn’t good? They haven’t exactly been stellar in there last few BCS games.
Did you seriously say USC is average. You must be high out of your mind. Come on dude. AVERAGE?

by psuphiman80 on Nov 3, 2008 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if I tried to prop up my argument

by pointing to OU’s BCS record, your point would have some validity

Since I have not done that, and since Mike DID try to use Ohio State’s BCS game appearances as bakcing for his argument, my point still stands.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one reading your blog?

So you come over here to troll the message boards? If your posts here are any indication of the quality of your analysis, it’s no surprise that no one pays attention to what you write.

Please go back to the ESPN boards if you need an outlet for your babble.

by gcdyersb on Nov 3, 2008 7:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

blog smack

Actually, my blog is doing quite well, thanks for the concern. It is amusing how quickly you Penn State fans resort to personal attacks.

As for why I’m here, I read about the logic for Mike’s rankings on the texas SBN site, and thought I’d come over here and see what was going on for myself.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You saw what was going on

then proceeded to flood the discussion with a seemingly infinite supply of mind-numbing posts.

by gcdyersb on Nov 4, 2008 1:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oregon state

im pretty sure they are good.

at least good enough to beat usc.

wait a second-TT needed an overtime to beat a sh!tty nebraska team. at home. when they were up 14 going into the fourth quarter.

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 3, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

TT were getting beaten by YOUR team, A&M, at halftime by 3.

of course, the second half was a little different.

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 3, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, they were

Considering A&M had forced two Tech turnovers to help them attain that haltime lead, it kind of blows a hole in Mike’s whole “they don’t play defense in the Big 12” theory.

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 6:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only there was a way to commit a turnover without defense…

You might call it an “unforced turnover!”

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 3, 2008 6:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oooh, a trolling Texas A&M fan!

I have a few questions:

1) Why did Jarvorski Lane start crying with 7 MINUTES left to go in the 4th quarter of the Alamo Bowl? Did he have no concept of how time works – or had he never played organized football to know that seven minutes is plenty of time to score two touchdowns. Perhaps he overheard the announcers and realized he was losing to a team with an “offensive braintrust” led by Jay Paterno and Anthony Pepperoni? Awwww, poor baby. That was such a meaningful game too. I’d treasure that Alamo Bowl championship ring for as long as I live! Boo hoo!!!! Jarvorski, be thankful your 7-5 butt got a Wii in the gift basket, you big baby.

2) Do you find that by trumping up the rest of the BigXII it makes your team look less crappy or are you just trying to hide the fact that you now look worse than the Baylor Bears? Which A&M win do you consider most thrilling this year – New Mexico, Army, Colorado, or Iowa State?

3) Are there any females that go to school at Texas A&M? It’s probably the only fanbase that makes Notre Dame look attractive in comparison.

———

Honestly people, if you’re trying to rationalize with an A&M fan named “Beergut” what do you expect? Rational debate? You have to stoop to his level.

by Cairo on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

1) A Penn State fan that brings up the Alamo Bowl. You guys are such original thinkers over here. If this is your only response to my comments, why even bother typing?

2) I’m not trying to “trump” anything, I just think the claims of Big Ten superiority over here are ludicrous. Trying to put Penn State #1 in the nation when they MIGHT finish 3rd in the Big 12 South (I’m feeling generous) is laughable.

3) Smack over women? Are you serious? I’ve seen Pennsylvania women, and you must either be legally blind or on crack to think Penn State wins that matchup with A&M.

As for the “Beergut” thing, do you not know what self-deprecating humor is?

 

by Beergut on Nov 3, 2008 11:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well for starters

I’m not sure that you’ll find a lot of claims about Big Ten superiority, sir. As you’re well aware, this is a Penn State blog. We’re Penn State fans and we’re Penn State alumni. This year we’re having a pretty f**king good time being proud of our 9-0 team. So forgive us for being a little pissy when someone whose team is, what 4-5(?) starts telling us there is some reason for us to be less proud of our #3 ranked team. I can guarantee if we were 4-5, we’d be here bitching about what we’re doing wrong rather than jumping on someone else’s blog and telling them why they suck.

As for women, what can I say, cold PA weather tends to put a little extra insulation on people same as brisket and barbeque sauce.

“It is amusing how quickly you Penn State fans resort to personal attacks.”

Let’s be clear about one thing. When I first became a Penn State fan, Chuck Fusina was throwing passes to Scott Fitzke and handing off to Matt Suhey. The first time I saw Joe Paterno was when I was in 7th grade and he was the featured speaker at the closing ceremony of Penn State’s 4H Days (later he stole the thunder from a band I played in after we got off stage at the Special Olympics closing ceremony, but that’s another story). So I have to say

“when they MIGHT finish 3rd in the Big 12 South (I’m feeling generous) is laughable”

THAT, sir, is a personal attack. That’s my NIttany Lions you’re talking about there.

And by the way

“Considering A&M had forced two Tech turnovers to help them attain that haltime lead, it kind of blows a hole in Mike’s whole "they don’t play defense in the Big 12" theory.”

When you’re 4-5, forcing two turnovers doesn’t really blow a hole in anyone’s “they don’t play defense theory”. The theory isn’t based on lack of turnovers, it’s based on the number of games that you allowed your opposition score more points than you did.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 4, 2008 12:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

btw

I wish I would have thought of “Beergut”. In my case it wouldn’t be self-deprecating humor, but it would still be funny. It’s beer that helps me keep my boyish figure after all.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 4, 2008 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I only took it

b/c Iron Guts was already taken, and Extra Guts doesn’t have the right ring to it.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the problem with that logic
it’s based on the number of games that you allowed your opposition score more points than you did.

I’ve seen teams with great defenses still get outscored, simply b/c their offense couldn’t stay on the field, so the defense would eventually wear down and give up a score to lose the game.

I’m in no way claiming A&M has a good defense, we’re far from it, but to say that everyone else in the Big 12 doesn’t play defense is ludicrous.

Right now, the Big 12 has a ridiculous number of upperclassmen QBs who are superior players, and when you put those experienced QBs in spread offenses, you end up with ridiculous offensive numbers. Two years ago, when Chase Daniel was a sophomore, Colt McCoy a RS freshman, Sam Bradford was redshirting, Graham Harrell was a sophomore, Zach Robinson was redshirting, Jerrod Johnson was redshirting, etc, everyone said the Big 12 was down as a conference. Now all of these QBs are starting and tearing it up, and people are claiming the Big 12 doesn’t field defenses? I don’t think so.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 1:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and people are claiming the Big 12 doesn’t field defenses?

People are claiming that the Big 12 doesn’t field defenses because a Texas DB couldn’t catch a deflected ball in the air, and couldn’t tackle a receiver who had come to a dead stop when he had two hands on him.

The reason people said that the Penn State/Ohio State game was great defense had nothing to do with the statistics. It had everything to do with the fact that in the entire game, there were three plays where you could say that either defense made a mistake. Other than those three plays, there were virtually no blown tackles, missed assignments, or anything. The reason guys went down is because there was at least one defender there (sometimes more), and he made the play.

You could not say that about the Texas Tech-Texas game. That has nothing to do with the quarterbacks. The QB does not make a DB, in open space, after the receiver’s caught the ball, miss a tackle.

For someone who’s posted an absolute ton of completely exaggerated insults, you don’t seem to be that good at recognizing intentional exaggeration. Penn State and Ohio State have played very solid defense this year. Ohio State’s offense was absolutely abysmal against USC, and so the defense looked worse – but you could say the same thing about Georgia-Florida. Texas’s defense, on the other hand, hasn’t looked nearly as solid.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 2:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

well

if you are basing your whole “the Big 12 doesn’t field defenses” argument on two plays, then your agument has no support.

The texas safety who dropped the interception is a freshman who made a freshman mistake. The old joke about DBs being WRs who can’t catch aside, one mistake doesn’t mean he can’t play defense.

As for the DB who couldn’t tackle the WR who came to a dead stop, Michael Crabtree is a freak of nature at WR who won the Biletnikoff Trophy as the nation’s best receiver. The Big Ten doesn’t have a freak of nature at WR like Crabtree. The Big 12 currently has two outstanding wide receivers who very likely will make All-American in Crabtree and Oklahoma State’s Dez Bryant. The Big Ten hasn’t had to deal with a freak WR like them since Braylon Edwards graduated. I guess every time Edwards outjumped a DB on a fade in the end zone for a TD, that was just crappy defense by Big Ten DBs, right? It can’t just be that the WR is a better athlete the DB, can it?

there were three plays where you could say that either defense made a mistake.

So, if the defenses were playing virtually mistake-free football, what you are saying is that the offenses were very mistake-prone and poor? If these defenses were playing nearly-perfect football, these offenses were doing a piss-poor job of executing.

This goes back to my earlier point about offenses being too simplistic, making it easy for defenses to dominate.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 11:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how much Penn State football you've watched this year

because it seems like you are basing all your arguments on the PSU @ OSU game. For whatever reason, the coaches didn’t play offensively quite as aggressively as they had in others. Perhaps it was the environment, perhaps they knew that the OSU defense is good enough to exploit mistakes, so the best way to win was to minimize mistakes.

As you can see when Penn State has played unspectacular defenses, the offense has a field day, and produce just like the Big 12 offenses have, against equally unspectacular defenses. Against a tough defense, they tighten things up and grind out the win. Perhaps we could have used the whole playbook against OSU, and put more balls in the air, spread it out, etc, but again, OSU could have exploited that more, and in that game it was the turnovers that made the difference. Maybe we would have been able to put up enough points to overcome that, but maybe not. The coaches played the percentages there, and played it safe.

If you want to rag on the Big 10, that’s fine. If you want to point out some of the weak defenses in the Big 10, that’s fine as well. But to say that Penn State, or Ohio State doesn’t have a great defense, or to say that Penn State doesn’t have a great offense, because in ONE GAME against an elite defense they only put up 13 points is showing bias in your analysis. If you want to make the argument that OSU’s defense is bad based on the USC game, then look at how USC scored given different field position. Even the best defenses are going to struggle when their offense gives the opponent good field position, and OSU’s offense at the time is arguably much worse than the offense they fielded against Penn State (no Beanie Wells, no Terrelle Pryor).

Although they are separate units of the same team, it isn’t quite as easy to differentiate Offensive performance and Defensive performance as people like to make it seem. If your offense is so terrible that they can’t move the ball down the field, and gives the opponent a starting field position in your own territory (or god forbid in the red zone), then a lot of points are going to be put up against you. Heck, just looking at 2004, when Penn State had a REALLY good defense (the only team that year that had no opponents put up more than 20 points), and yet we went 4-7 that year. Basically the point I’m trying to make right here is that no matter how good your defense is, if your offense can’t score, or at least move the ball downfield for you, then you will look bad, and get scored on.

You also mentioned earlier about how great the offensive lines in the Big 12 are at preventing sacks. Check out how many sacks Penn State has given up. Really, go ahead, we’ll wait for you. While you’re at it, look at where Penn State ranks in every (meaningful) statistical category compared to any team in the Big 12. (Hey Mike, any desire to put up one of your “how we match up” posts for us and Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State (and hey, throw in good old aTm for Beergut to enjoy).

Say what you want about the rest of the Big 10, but at least have the intelligence to not lump Penn State in with them.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2008 11:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure

Penn State’s offense would have no problem staying on the field against any of the mighty Big XII defenses. If your only reference point is the Ohio State game, I suggest you watch more football. Penn State is scoring 40+ ppg with a team that builds itself on running and defense. The Penn State offense, in relative terms, is not unimpressive in comparison to the Arena League offenses of the Big XII. And yes, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Ok St., etc DO have very, very good offenses, and saying otherwise simply wouldn’t be true. But to think that the PSU offense couldn’t hold its own in a matchup against any one of those teams is ridiculous.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 11:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Odin's beard!

Does this mean if I keep bringing up the Alamo Bowl, you might actually go away? Nothing against you personally, but this entire run of fighting between the Big Ten and Big XII has gone completely over the deep end. Personally, I can only spend so much time in the land of hypotheticals before any/all arguments become moot and can only be solved with actual data.

To borrow from an old cliche, I’m sure there are many people (including a number of Red Raiders) who are glad they don’t play these games on paper…

Throw around all the stats you want, at the end of the day, there are too many “immeasurable” factors in play. (Yes, without all this blasted “weather” and “human error” BS, these games would be a lot easier to predict.) And because of that, we will continue to do this waltz of statistics, which leads to even more obscure and useless statistics, until something is actually done on the field with the teams in question.

(BBW – feel free to continue your statistical awesomeness and strike me down later. I’ve always been a stats whore. Merely making a point – this aggression will not stand, man!)

For me, I don’t care. There’s a game at Iowa this weekend that’s a must win. And another next weekend against Indiana, followed by one last regular season game against Michigan State. Win out, and Penn State deserves to be considered for the title by doing what is necessary – winning regardless of the team on the opposite side of the field. If there are other teams who have done the same and have “done as much or more”, then so be it.

We thank you for your time and input, but the focus for now should still be inward before anyone starts grabbing for even a chance the title. The rest of this ego-stroking and mental masturbation can be just as easily played out on your preferred version NCAA 2009…

by IcersGuy on Nov 4, 2008 12:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Undefeated

I find it funny that last year there were no major BSC teams that were undefeated, and this year Penn State has a chance to do it after beating Illinois, a team that returned a shitload of players this year, and a OSU team that returned a shitload of players this year…the same OSU team that has only lost 3 homes games in the last 7 years…Wisconsin…a team hat was getting their shit tugged on by everybody in the country. OH NO! Penn State beats all of them, plus (a shitty) Michigan, plus Purdue who was supposed to be this great team with the best NFL-ready QB in the country, and now all of those teams were never good. Let’s not give Penn State a chance…the same Penn State team that goes into their bowl game every single time as the most well-prepared bowl team in history. And yes…the Big 12 has very very terrible defenses. Look at your picture…what a joke…I’m getting sick of this SHIT!!

by TheGunslinger on Nov 4, 2008 12:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there isn't some great conspiracy against Penn State

the reason people aren’t giving Penn State all that much credit is because the Big Ten really isn’t any good this year

The Big Ten is down this season, just like the SEC is.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 1:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look, most statistical rankings – you know, the ones that aren’t biased by preseason perception and for some insane reason have LSU still in the top 15 – have Penn State right around Texas, Texas Tech, and Alabama.

There’s no real logical reason to be so down on PSU.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 4, 2008 2:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not down on Penn State

I’m down on Mike’s reasoning for putting Penn State at #1.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The biggest flaw

In judging teams is when people base a team on their schedule, instead of seeing what they did with their schedule. The players don’t chose who they play, they simply are assigned an opponent every week and go out and play the game. Penn State, along with Bama, Texas Tech, the list goes on, have taken care of business against everyone put in front of them. Penn State has played some crappy teams, of course they have. The thing is, they did what a great team does to teams supposedly as bad as they are made out to be. The same cannot be said for alot of teams in the country. And they have done it week in and week out. These crappy teams have not gotten beaten by 35+ points to everyone they played.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 11:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This argument

has been made in many shapes and forms over and over again, but WHY oh WHY can anybody possibly make the argument that “PSU must be overrated because the Big Ten is down.” Think about that for a second. Why is it so impossible that one of the best teams in the country can’t come from a conference that is down. I understand the assessment from an outsider that PSU might not be that good because the teams it plays as a whole are not the stiffest tests. I get that rationale. Problem is, why is it being played out to be so factual when that argument has so so so many holes in it? Penn State is doing what a very good team does to opponents that are not perceived to be very good; blowing them out, winning convincingly, etc. Week after week. Why is one side of the argument the only theory being passed off?

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 3:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should also point out
35 points to Kansas State, and 28 points to Nebraska.

The Kansas State and Nebraska games were after OU lost their MLB for the season during the texas game.

Their defense has been a sieve ever since he went down.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we lost our all american LB in spring camp for the year with a torn ACL

and 4 starting defensive linemen for the year from injuries and dismissals. 2 more missed 3 games for suspensions.

We don’t look very sieve like, do we?

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2008 11:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AMEN

If a defense is good, it is comprised of more than one MLB, and doesn’t go in the tank without him. Good lord.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 11:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to further that argument

How “amazing” would Texas Tech be if Graham Harrell goes down in the first quarter Saturday. How fantastic would Texas be if Colt McCoy suffered a concussion and missed a game. How good would the Ok St passing game be if Dez Bryant sprains his ankle. There isn’t a single guy that Penn State could lose that would set back the team (as we’ve already proved that with the guys we’ve lost). Good team>good player.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Graham Zug

I don’t think we’d be quite the same without him.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2008 12:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all honesty

I think we’d suffer the biggest drop if we lost Royster, and had to downgrade from 7.2 to 5.9 YPC.

Devlin looks like he’s as capable as Clark, though I still think Clark has the edge and leadership.

The O-line is obviously important, so a significant number of injuries there would suck.

WRs…well if we had to drop down to only 2 amazing WRs, that could make our playbook a little bit more shallow.

DL: somehow with all our losses, we’re still ridiculously deep there.

LB: losing Bowman would probably hurt us a lot now.

DBs…we could take a loss or 2 and still come out a strong.

Basically any loss would just mean that the others would have to play with fewer substitutions, but the immediate quality on the field wouldn’t drop appreciably.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2008 12:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

Tech would just start Taylor Potts, who has some playing time in blowouts

They’d be okay.

texas has no backup for McCoy.

If Bryant went down, Okie State would keep on trucking. They aren’t a one-man team.

The fact that you people think that these offenses are made up of one man makes me wonder if you ever watch any teams in the Big 12.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 2:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, I have watched plenty of Big XII football

Ok St would probably survive the loss of Bryant better than any other team, very unlikely that Texas Tech would survive losing Harrell (c’mon, just because you can name the backup doesn’t mean….ugh, i don’t really need to go on further on that one), Texas would be f’ed.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 2:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um...I guess you didn't follow the train of thought that started with one of your comments

but it was mostly how OU, losing their MLB, has caused their defense to become, as you said “like a sieve”. Penn State could lose a number of people on defense (and has), and even offense and still has no sieve-like tendencies

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2008 4:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you want a cookie?

I don’t know what is wrong with OU’s LB depth such that the loss of one player means their whole scheme collapses.

They lost their MLB, they moved up a safety to replace him, and all of a sudden they can’t stop anyone.

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 2:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, good on the cookies thanks

I know why OU’s loss of their middle LB hurts them. Its because when you only have a few decent defenders, a loss of one of them exposes the rest when the team has a crap D to begin with. Proof in point, OU allowed 45, 31, 35 and 28 points in their last 4 games. Geesh. Add to that the 26 Cincinnati scored, and the only teams that haven’t scored much on them are UT-Chattanooga (yuk), Washington (still scored 14, their 3rd highest output of the season), TCU (10, thats possibly a decent defensive game), and Baylor (17, its Baylor). Ugly.

by blogue20 on Nov 4, 2008 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you also play in the Big Ten

it isn’t like you’re facing the offenses OU is

by Beergut on Nov 4, 2008 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since this is a PSU blog...

… and therefore did rank PSU #1 (which is the logical thing to do this week; if Texas Tech beats Oklahoma State next week, that moves them ahead of PSU in my book, but ‘Bama beating a borderline-top-25 at best LSU team would not), you don’t get my standard complaint this week.

My other one, though, you’re getting. Cinci should be ranked. 6-2 in the Big East, only losing at Oklahoma and at UConn, and coming off of a big win over USF… that merits a top-25 spot. Kick out one of the ACC pygmies. Or LSU or BYU.

And one very minor point — be a little bit of a Big Ten homer and put Ohio State above Georgia. There’s not a reason in the universe to think Georgia is better than the Buckeyes this year.

by drothgery on Nov 4, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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