BSD Staff Predictions - Michigan State Spartans
RUTS Says...
Perhaps it's simple human nature that has so many people worried about this game, despite the experts in Vegas making Penn State a two-touchdown favorite over Michigan State. (I think Michigan State covers, for what it's worth.) The team has clearly wobbled since stepping onto the field in Columbus. They're back home tomorrow and while it will be cold, the weather shouldn't substantially affect the play of either team. These are all good things for the Lions, who are likely to start fast with so much on the line. For Michigan State, it's been a very good year, but I don't expect them to give Penn State too much trouble. All of the standard caviats apply here -- turnovers and missed red zone opportunities can keep any game close -- but Penn State is the better team. Enjoy your last opportunity to see Derrick Williams and his fellow seniors at Beaver Stadium. As for Joe Paterno...
Penn State 33, Michigan State 20

Kevin Says...
For all the reasons the Iowa game made me nervous, I'm very optimistic about Michigan State. For one thing, the point spread seems unusually high, meaning Vegas has some confidence. From the quotes in the media, it sounds like Clark is back to himself. The game is at home and I have to think the team and crowd will understand the significance of what is essentially a championship game.
I detailed Penn State's first down play calling because I really think that is where this game is won or lost. Even with a horrible Iowa game, Evan Royster is still averaging 6.5 yards per an attempt, and I expect the offense to use him often on first down. Michigan State is giving up 4.3 yards per an attempt, that's 10th in the Big Ten, and the offense will be very effective if they can consistently get into 2nd and 5. If Penn State can avoid the negative yardage play (either from sacks or miscued outside runs), they should be able to grind this one out. Michigan State will likely try to do the same, but I'm not sure they have the passing game to keep Penn State's defense honest. I suspect the Penn State defense will look a lot like the one that played in Columbus, with the Spartans moving the ball on a couple of big passing plays but otherwise being relatively inept with the ball.
Penn State 28, Michigan State 10
Mike Says...
If there is one thing I've learned in the past two years, it's that in football past results are an indication of future gains. The offensive line has been struggling lately. I suspect a lot of it has to do with Wisneiwski's injured knee. Royster hasn't had much room to run. Clark has struggled with accuracy and confidence. Recievers have trouble catching the ball. But through it all the defense has been good when allowed to be aggresive.
I see Penn State coming out to another slow start. Stop me if you're heard this before. The game will be tied at the end of the first quarter, but Penn State will get a few scores and pull away in the second quarter. We'll later wish they were touchdowns instead of field goals. We'll come out and extend the lead early in the second half, and then Tom Bradley will sit back in that damn Cover-3 and the corners will line up eight yards off the line. A blown coverage will give Sparty an easy score to get them going. The offense will go three and out after running right up the middle on first and second down. Hoyer will start picking us apart nine yards at a time and Michigan State will climb back into the game. We'll adjust in the fourth quarter and go back to playing tight in the secondary, but by then MSU will be back to within one score. They'll hand the ball off to Javon Ringer who will run over a defense that is gassed from chasing guys around since halftime.
If I'm right, this game is going to be a dog fight. I think Michigan State is going to find the ball in their hands with a chance to win the game late. Penn State is going to find themselves in need of a defensive stand to preserve their Rose Bowl season. I honestly I think this game can go either way, but the team that wants it more and finds a way to overcome the fatigue is going to win. Look for the winning team to get a few lucky breaks from the officials.
Penn State 30 Michigan State 24
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Jeez, Mike...
I nearly shit myself reading your prediction. It was like Iowa ‘08 and Mich ’05 being brought back to life. I cannot say I disagree with you, though. Bradley and his D calling scares the hell out of me when we have the lead.
Here’s to hoping RUTS and Keving can say “I told you so” on Sat night.
WE ARE…
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM EST
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yep. . .
Mike’s been negative nancy recently. . .putting a damper on things.
by The IC Lion on
Nov 21, 2008 2:27 PM EST
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Iowa '08 and Mich '05
Or Purdue ’07.
Or Indiana ’07.
Or MSU ’07.
Or OSU ’08.
Luckily we held on for three of those.
Like I said. Past results.
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 2:35 PM EST
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I know I know...
I didn’t say I was disagreeing with you but that you should write horror novels. I started hyper-ventilating and sweating reading your notes.
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 21, 2008 2:44 PM EST
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i agree with mike....
i didnt hyperventilate or sweat when i read your prediction. in fact, i smiled. i smiled because that’s how too many of our games play out. too much “bend don’t break defense” and confused play calling from the odd couple up in the booth.
JERRY SANDUSKY, WHERE HAVE YOU GONE!?!?!
"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler
by Stately NOVA Lion on
Nov 21, 2008 3:33 PM EST
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interesting about Sandusky
b/c in the article about the ‘86 championship over miami…he gave a quote basically saying that he froze on the last series of the game and didn’t know what to call and he couldn’t even speak and basically he almost cried…yeah he was a good coordinator but to place on this pedistal like he can do no wrong is getting obsurd
by Lion Alum on
Nov 21, 2008 3:54 PM EST
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Bring back Rip Engle I say!
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 3:54 PM EST
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Why the hate on Bradley all of a sudden? If I recall its conservative offensive play calling that has made these last few games too close for comfort at some point. Yes a poor defensive stand appeared to be the end result for the iowa game, but we then forget about the 2 botched series that led to field goals.
No reason to hate on the man for his top 10 defenses year in and year out.
by MrBrianPSU on
Nov 22, 2008 6:03 AM EST
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Possibly Mike...we aren't sure...

PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on
Nov 21, 2008 2:34 PM EST
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I'm sorry, but I don't care who it is
beating us on Senior Day is a tall order. Even in the dark days, Senior Day was a game where we were somehow able to display the greatness that is Penn State football. I don’t think some of the concerns about the defense are uncalled for, but even if the secondary starts giving up some completions, I would expect the MSU receivers to pay dearly for some of those receptions by being on the wrong end of some brutal hits.
This year’s Seniors are not going to let their last game in Beaver Stadium be anything short of a statement game. PSU underclassmen historically have shown that they want to step on this day as a salute to the teammates that they are not going to be playing alongside of next year.
I truly expect this game to be more similar to Wisconsin than Ohio State.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on
Nov 21, 2008 2:35 PM EST
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I'm not buying it.
I’m just not buying all the "we’re invinsible because we’re playing for a Big Ten Championship on Senior day" stuff.
Michigan State is playing for a Big Ten championship too. They want this game just as bad as we do. If they win they’re looking at a New Years Day bowl game with an outside shot at the BCS at large bid. Lose and they’re looking at the Alamo Bowl.
I had this same feeling in my stomach I had before the Iowa game. But I blew it off and predicted a blowout. So this time I went with my gut, which is usually right on these things. I’m not always great at predicting scores, but I’m usually pretty good at predicting the mood and performance of the team. Here is what I wrote last week.
But I don’t think things will go quite that well. Many of the seniors on this team were on that 2005 team. They’ve lost plenty of games since then and they know how to shake off a loss and come back strong the next week. But for many of the younger players I’m afraid this loss may linger on another week until they remember what it’s like to win again. I think Penn State will win handily by 20 points, but we’re going to come away unsatisfied. This will be like some of those non-conference games in 2006 and 2007 where we win by 20 but you feel like we left points out on the field. I’m expecting Penn State to come out lacking focus and we’re going to see a lot of turnovers, dropped passes, and dumb mistakes. But the game will never be in doubt.
Penn State 33 Indiana 13
The final score was 34-7 and we had a lot of turnovers and mistakes. So you tell me.
Believe me I hope I’m wrong and you can all laugh at me on Monday. But I have to go with my gut here.
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 2:46 PM EST
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when the first post just isn't good enough...
j/k and I hope I can laugh at you on Monday, too
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 21, 2008 2:52 PM EST
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I don't like it
I am a big follower in the Colbert Nation and if your gut is telling you that we are in trouble
65% of the time your gut is right all the time
by Lion Alum on
Nov 21, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Trust me . . .
I hear what you’re saying and I think you make a sound analysis. The IU remarks are right on. None less so than “feel like we left points on the field”.
I’m just following my gut on this one (and I’ll make no claims about it being better than yours . . . probably bigger, but that doesn’t really have any merit here . . .) and there’s just something about Senior Day and I can’t make myself look past that.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on
Nov 21, 2008 3:03 PM EST
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Makes me wonder...
…when we last walked into a game against an opponent with an overwhelming winning record and said, “We are gonna KILL these guys!”.
And when we said it, we said it with confidence.
The same way Michigan taunts us, even during their down years.
I don’t know, but the more I read PSU fan posts, the more I believe it’s not in our genetic makeup.
Say it with me now.
Take a deep breath.
“We are gonna KILL these guys!”
by Mr. Rosewater on
Nov 21, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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Let's just be awesome on Saturday

PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on
Nov 21, 2008 2:36 PM EST
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31-20 Penn State
On a slightly-related note: I know there was another post discussing if this is Joe’s last game, but I just got a bizarre email from the Central NJ Alumni Chapter that included “On speculation….JoePa requested an extra box for family… Also held an impromptu coaches meeting yesterday in which coaches were seen leaving teary eyed… Programs are being reprinted.”
The rumor mill just keeps getting stranger.
by NJ lion on
Nov 21, 2008 3:04 PM EST
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maybe they were watching gametape from the Iowa game?
or maybe they finally saw that montage they did before/after the OSU game?
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 21, 2008 3:08 PM EST
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From David Jones column on November 18th...
“Paterno will quit only after he simply can’t go any longer. If his current health problems turn out to create that moment of epiphany, he’ll quit.”
This time I think Jones has it right.
by ageing lion on
Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM EST
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Impromptu coaches meeting
Hadn’t heard that one before. Very interesting.
by Run Up The Score on
Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM EST
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Uh, maybe I'll buy a program for this one
Also, anyone who leaves before the end is insane.
One of my roommates heard a sound check at the stadium today (Stadium West parking lots, wheee) where whoever was testing said something along the lines of “test, test, 1, 2…I don’t know, JoePa’s not as loud as me…” It’s not exactly the best proof of anything…but things are starting to build, it would seem.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Nov 21, 2008 3:48 PM EST
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Coaches meeting
Yeah that’s the latest rumor. I’ve been emailed three times today with that one. Everyone says “I heard this I heard that”.
“Where did you hear it?”
“My buddy emailed it to me. He’s usually good on this kind of inside info.”
“Uh huh. Does your buddy know any of the players?”
“No.”
“Does he know the coaches?”
“No.”
“Does he know anyone remotely associated with the PSU football program?”
“No.”
“Does your buddy have an subscription to BWI or FOS?”
“Yeah. He reads both. Why?”
“Cuz your buddy read some half cocked rumor from some pimple faced dweeb who just likes to spread unsubstanciated rumors on message boards claiming they are credible because he says so. That’s your buddy’s inside info.”
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 4:02 PM EST
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Where is the coaches' meeting rumor turning up?
I hadn’t seen that one yet.
by Run Up The Score on
Nov 21, 2008 4:24 PM EST
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It's getting crazy in the message boards
I saw a few threads, but can’t find them now. I think the mods have gone into lockdown/delete mode this afternoon. I did get an email about it today. It’s getting crazy now.
One guy said he was hanging out outside of Beaver Stadium while they were doing a sound check yesterday. He heard the PA announcer go, “Check one two one two…I don’t know. Joe doesn’t talk as loud as I do.”
Suggesting they were preparing a microphone for Joe to speak into. But I can’t imagine why anyone would be hanging out around Beaver Stadium unless he’s in Paternoville. And if that’s the case, how is he getting internet connection in his tent?
I don’t speculate or believe any of it. Whatever happens happens and we’ll cover it here on BSD.
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 4:38 PM EST
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My roommate heard the same thing- Lot 44/Stadium West are where they make commuters park now, where you hear everything from the stadium- last week I could hear them playing ‘The Bus’ over the loudspeakers while they worked. So that would be why someone would be out there.
Not saying it’s true, just justifying it.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM EST
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This just in
Paterno to announces his retirement so that he can accept President-elect Obama’s offer to become new Secretary of Defense. Taking Bradley with him as deputy. Spanier to take over as interim head coach for the bowl game. Considering taking the position permanently to become first-ever president/head football coach. Sources say they overheard that he’s considering taking over for Ed DeChellis too, if this year’s team turns in a decent record.
Story at 11:00!
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on
Nov 21, 2008 4:52 PM EST
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That's a lie
J Leman will be the new Secretary of Defense. And protector of all things American.
by NJ lion on
Nov 21, 2008 4:55 PM EST
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Yeah
My inside sources tell me that joe is going to be minister of Lets Have a Damn Playoff Already, a new executive department created by the president-elect
by borisborisboris on
Nov 22, 2008 7:59 AM EST
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I am reposting my rumors to offset the negative waves being generated in this thread
JoePa will be patrolling the sidelines on a 1985 Harley Davidson softtail… JohnCap is bringing his Heisman so he can use it to bash and destroy that awful Land Grant trophy at game’s end… the 82 and 86 NC teams will be in attendance handing out scientology ‘stress test’ forms… the Bermuda Traingle missing Flight 19 Avengers will perform a flyover before the game… 4 out of 5 dentists don’t really give a shit what kind of gum you chew… that kid Mikey died from eating pop rocks and drinking a coke… the airports might be crowded at Thanksgiving… the post offices may be crowded on tax day… OJ may be close to finding the real killer(s)… Charlie Weis is an offensive genius… there is nothing faster than the speed of light or, as we know it, ESS EEE CEE SPEED… any chick on BSD sounds hot… etc… etc…
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 21, 2008 3:47 PM EST
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Any chick on BSD sounds hot is not a rumor
That’s a fact, Jack.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on
Nov 21, 2008 3:49 PM EST
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I find it hard to believe
the he would do anything that would distract from this game or a bowl game. Not saying he isn’t (maybe) retiring, I just think he will wait until Jan 2 to do it.
by letsgopsu on
Nov 21, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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Exactly
I think he’s going to wait until February. Keep the recruiting class in tact. But more importantly, I think he’s waiting to see how the surgery goes. If he’s back to walking three miles a day by President’s Day he’ll be back next year. But if there are complications and he’s still in a lot of pain by the end of February he’ll hang it up. He’s not going to go through another year of golf carts and press boxes.
Mike
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by BSD on
Nov 21, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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There will be something if he retires
If Joe goes, and he knows it, and lets others know it, there will be some type of send off. Yes Joe wouldn’t want to be a distraction, but you can’t not have a proper send off for a living institution, I believe he would address the crowd.
by MrBrianPSU on
Nov 22, 2008 6:25 AM EST
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This game will be won or lost by MSU's passing game
Like against Iowa the defense will be stacked to stop the run and dare MSU to pass. So this game will depend on how well the bend but don’t break defense works. The one encouraging point is that Astorino will be playing most of the nickle back situations unlike the Iowa game where Wallace played that spot. Sometimes it is not the brightest star on the team that really makes a big difference and I think on defense it is Astorino.
I expect Penn State to win with the score difference greater then 7 (I hope so for my hearts sake) but less then 14 points.
by ageing lion on
Nov 21, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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31-21 Penn State
I know a guy who’s been to five Penn State games. They’ve never lost when he’s been up there. He’ll be there tomorrow.
Hey, it’s good enough for me.
by ReadingRambler on
Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM EST
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Our D is going to show up in a big way
MSU is going to be cold and shellshocked 42-10
I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?
by psu on
Nov 21, 2008 3:28 PM EST
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Yeah... them leaving the warm confines of East Lansing helps us out tomorrow
29°F
Current: Cloudy
Wind: S at 5 mph
Humidity: 70%Fri
29°F | 16°FSat
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 21, 2008 3:37 PM EST
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HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE HEATERS ON OUR SIDELINES...................JOE!!!!!!
"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler
by Stately NOVA Lion on
Nov 21, 2008 3:38 PM EST
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It'll be a cold day in hell
Because Joe doesn’t believe in them. Like how he doesn’t believe in clock-management, or retirement.
by millzners on
Nov 21, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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ESPN Insider Scout Inc Report
They predict it 31-13 PSU
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
by Kunza on
Nov 21, 2008 3:53 PM EST
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Mark May begs to differ
He just picked the Spartans as an upset.
His reason is that our offense has been anemic.
So now it’s officially, incontrovertible, undeniable, pure, cold, hard, FACT that we’ll win.
by Mr. Rosewater on
Nov 21, 2008 7:12 PM EST
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I just want
the Land Grant Trophy back in State College where it belongs
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on
Nov 22, 2008 12:24 PM EST
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ohmygawd... lol
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 22, 2008 7:47 PM EST
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