Game Day Open Thread - Michigan State Spartans
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The PSU uniforms in 1924 were ugly...
…I am glad we don’t still have those!
WE ARE.......PENN STATE!
I wish...
we still had the leather helmets though.
Who wants to...
win the Big Ten today?
Bring it, sparty; we own you.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I'd say "may the better team win"
but I don’t mean that.
Here’s to Michigan-Ohio State being the undercard today. I think we can all drink to that.
To the victor goes the Borg Cube of football trophies . . .
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A statistical look at Michigan State basketball, with a dash of football talk
by spartansweblog on Nov 22, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions
Awesome...
….I never thought of it that way, but that is true…
…center stage!
WE ARE.......PENN STATE!
Missing my first big game in 3 years today
Not since Wisconsin 05 have I missed a game of significance. However, I have an excuse. Bethel Park is playing for the AAAA WPIAL title today at Heinz Field. Go Hawks!
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
hahaha
Pryor Sucks Wangs!
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno
we're just too country... lol... whatta knob
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
TP damn near threw a pick 6
on tOSU’s first drive… lol
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
If you haven't seen it yet
watch the pep rally video in fanshots.. pumped me up this morning
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
they'll credit Laurie with 2 sacks for that hit
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
Michigan sucks...
fuggin wankers
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
I'm just glad
They put the meaningless games on early so that we can watch some real football later.
You know your game is meaningless when it’s not even one of TEN possible pick ’em choices…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Why is the OSU in on offense?
Oh wait, that’s Pryor…and he’s throwing the ball. Nice hangtime though.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
*The OSU Punter
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Nov 22, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I feel bad for their D
those kids play hard on DickRod’s O sucks
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
oh lord... what did I do? lol
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure...
…but it sounds hot.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it worked out ok, after all... lol
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
is anyone on tOSU's staff
interested in COACHING this Pryor kid at all? Or do they just think his “natural athletic ability” will allow him to dominate the Big Ten for the next 4 years?
And that right there...
…is why UM is 3-8.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
yup... some of those kids
should see some time on Sunday. They really do have some talent in the front 7
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I need to vent.
Has anyone seen this goddamn Vizio commercial where LaDanian Tomlinson and the Vizio AAU squad is tearing apart a team with dark blue jerseys and white helmets? It is ridiculous and offensive and very preachy about poor tackling fundamentals which everyone knows we are solid on. And a huge stud linebacker WITH THE NUMBER THIRTY ONE absolutely whiffing on game-deciding goal line stand? All I’ve learned from this commercial is that Vizio employs a ton of bitter Ohio State fans.
I hope we tear apart Michigan State.
saw it and it pissed me off, as well... lol
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
JoePa the featured story on Yahoo
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yay... Pryor gets smacked
was that Laurinitis?
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
freshman myopia: tp haz it
the inability to see the entire field… especially when a d-back is coming to fold you in half
Wow
How ‘bout the announcers drool over Laura a little more? Wow, he hit the QB after he got rid of the ball!! Congrats, you almost got there on a blitz. You’re now equivalent to Josh Hull.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
he threw the block that sprung Wells
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe we gave up 17 to M's offense
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
Laura will get credited for a solo tackle anyways
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Nov 22, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say.. they are hitting out there
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
Nice gang tackle there
Is it an unwritten rule that if there are multiple tacklers on the play, assisted credit MUST be given to Laura?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Sup Party People!
jp in tha muthaphuquing houuuuusse! Pass me a beer.
Whatd I miss? Catch a brotha up….
pax et amor
ohmygawd... lol
you have missed a limp DickRod offense and Laurinitis has like 70 tackles for loss and 12 or 15 sacks and I think he has both touchdowns
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thugs
my gawd, buckeyes are thugs. Just the classlessiest play-UHs ever. From the coach on down. just a squad fool of dbags.
pax et amor
4th and inches...
…has got to be JL’s wet dream.
“This is gonna be a SWEET pile!!”
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Actually
Le’ts play a game: see if we can name three classy players or coaches on the field right now. There’s gotta be three right?
pax et amor
is he on the field
How about Laura? he is classic :)
Does anybody know anything about Morgan Trent?
I get the sense he might be a decent guy, but realize I don’t really know jack about him.
pax et amor
Frick
great effort by Minor. Jenkins is a freakin stud, tho. Asshole, yes, but a stud who’ll play many sundays.
pax et amor
10am and 77 degrees
no sign of chill weather in the forseeable future
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Totally Michigan...
then we don’t have to share the title.
Man
If you are worried about the words “Ohio State” showing up next to “Penn State” on some Wikipedia page, you’re missing the point. No rational Ohio State fan thinks they have a better team than us this year. This has been a very disappointing autumn in Columbus, and there is a real chance they are going to completely whiff on the BCS.
j TO THE P
It’s not a party until you’re on here. I always root for maximum chaos in college football.. I will not be satisfied until Penn State finishes a season 13-0 and all 118 other teams finish 6-6. So, Michigan.
Fair enough
Big shout back atcha, gumbo! Refresh my drunken memory, please: was it you who told a story in here about droppin a deuce in a hockey house party, locking the door, turning up the heat, then jettin out the window?
no offense intended if I’ve got my bsd’s twisted….
pax et amor
Haha, yes.
I just threw out the cargo shorts that I tore up getting out of that window. College was fun.
IMO
There’s a simple way to look at this. If you need only to win your game to smell roses, you’re the conference champ. If you need to win your game AND watch the scoreboard in order to smell roses, you’re NOT the conference champ.
Any Buckeye fan that buys “2008 B10 Championship” memorabilia is a complete joke.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
an earthquake?
no really, I guess tOSU. If tOSU loses, that pretty much destroys State’s higest-quality win of the year. I know we’re past that whole style points thing, but you still have to feel good about yourself, you know? Plus as much as I loathe the sweater-vest, I can’t see a situation where I root for DickRod. Maybe UM vs. the Al-Qaeda all-stars? IDK.
What the hell?
Seriously, does UM have more than three offensive plays?
1) Minor up the gut.
2) WR screen.
3) QB rollout/bounce pass.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
I hope
OSU and Michigan beat each other. Is that possible?
Totally possible
It’s like a gang war. Couple groups of thugs try to outthug each other and all end up dead.
pax et amor
2 hours
To kickoff and a trip to the Rose Bowl!!! Get em JOEPA!!
TOTALLY on-point
All we have to do is take care of business in 2 hours and this tOSU/scUM Toilet Bowl will be nothing more than background noise.
ROSE BOWL or BUST!
LET’S GO STATE!
WE ARE!
Tressel's a slimeball
Talks all smoothe and pc, and yet he turns his head on his dbag thuggery of a program. Can’t trust him as far as I could throw him.
pax et amor
yeah, kinda
just cuz he’s not as blatant? His sliminess is more subversive tho, which I often find more disgusting.
pax et amor
wow
CJijr72, Was 72 the year you were born? You don’t look a day over 26 in your little profile picture!! ha ha
2nd half
of NC State game is starting. Be back when its over!
That freakin' WR screen
Has that netted more than 2 yards yet?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Annnnd right on cue...
…a QB rollout/bounce pass.
Be more predictable, Mr. “Offensive Genius” DickRod.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Pat White
Today went over 5,000 career rushing yards. He’s 6-3 this year and the past three years was:
2007: 11-2 with a Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma
2006: 11-2 with a Gator bowl win over Georgia Tech
2005: 11-1 w/Sugar Bowl win over Georgia
Just wanted to give a shout out to a GREAT college football career.
pax et amor
Devil's advocate
He’ll still be a kick returner in the NFL.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
lol; that's pretty devilish for cpiritual!
It’s true, tho. Two totally different games, the college and the pro. I still love to give some love to the great college players.
pax et amor
Even more stunning
In, like, all but one of those losses he was knocked out with an injury. I hope WVU fans have enjoyed the run.
Can you get credited for a tackle on an incomplete pass?
’Cus if so, chalk up another one for Laura!!
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Deep down
He HAS to know he’s overrated, right? I mean, he HAS to!!
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
"freeman and laura
are virtually inseparable …"
“sherman just got a big mouthful of #33”
“this guy’s sensable, good lookin’…”
come ON people. come ON.
"even though they're superstars…
…they still play on special teams"
This is approaching the man-crush status of John Madden/Brett Favre.
Seriously, not sure if I can take much more of this. 75 more minutes…
"We're only amusing ourselves here"
Truest statement of the day.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Michael Shaw
How do you feel about your decision these days?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
'Uh, well...'
‘coach always tells us…and um…the saying here for years is been…those who stay…um..champions we’ll be…or sumpin like that.’
pax et amor
Freakish athletic ability aside
Pryor absolutely CANNOT throw the football!! That ball was easily underthrown by 10 yards. He punts the ball with his arm.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
No shock that this team can't get in the end zone against good defenses
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Gee that holding looks familiar
rehring just jumped on Jamison’s back….on that long completion.
pax et amor
Pryor drops back to pass...
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Do you get a "Buckeye Sticker"...
…just for showing up to the game? Seriously, Pryor must have 40 of ’em already.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
You know it's bad...
…when I find myself switching over to ND-Syracuse for some competitive football.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Yo Wazzup!
Here’s my pregame update.
Spent the morning waiting at the furniture warehouse while they dug out the pub table and bar stools I ordered for my game room. Just have to get my stain glass pool table lamp mounted, a 42" LCD HDTV, a black leather Lay-Z-Boy, the Neon Yeungling sign, and the Yuengling Dogs sitting at the bar painting and I’ll be set.
I see Michigan is stinking it up, so I’m watching the beginning of the ND-Syracuse game until kickoff. First two possessions the Syracuse defense totally owned JIMMAH. If they don’t get it turned around it’s going to be a long day for Charlie.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Homer ND Announcers...
…apparently define “good coverage” as having two DB’s approximately 5 yards away from the WR. Oh boy yeah, The Emu really had to thread the needle on that one!!
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Nice play call Charlie
4th and 2, power I. Boy, they didn’t see that coming.
I heard he’d be in MENSA by now, but unfortunately his application got lost in the mail.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Did anyone see the BTN
J Lehman is outside of the Beav at Gate A. Beaver Stadium and J Lehman together again. I think America just creamed its pants.
Nice
Photoshop. . . Did you just whip that up on the spot Mike???
No
The guys over at Illini Loyalty did that for us when they sat down for a little Malicious Internet Interrogation with us.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
"how are you gonna celebrate with your fellow seniors tonight?"
“oh, i don’t know if i can talk about that right now.”
aaaaaand I’m spent.
You've got to be kidding me...
…BC vs Wake on BOTH ESPN and ABC!?!?! I’m gonna hurt someone…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Ok...
…where’s the website that streams the game? Boston is dicking me over big time, who the hell cares about BC/Wake!?!?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Gladiator theme playing..
Tears are forming because this is it for the 2005 class (except for Sean Lee). The class that resurrected this team and saved us from the abyss.
GO STATE BEAT MSU
I wish I had more hands. . .
So i could give those Spartans. FOUR THUMBS DOWN!
NEED HELP ASAP
What’s the website that streams PSU games??
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Trying espn360 now, what's the radio station by chance?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
We Get the ball
Lets start fast….none of these slow starts
Starting a Rivalry begins Today
This game needs to continue to decide the Big Ten Title for the next few years for this to actually become a rivalry. Here WE GO! GIVE IT TO ROYSTER!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions
poor footing
looks like Royster is slipping everywhere. This changes the entire game.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
That was a helluva effort
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
3 and out
another strong start, cant blame anyone really here weather gonna screw with us again
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions
Everyone is looking at the catch
Nobody noticed the defender got there early.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Oh shit
we got Dave Witvoet…Well he is a Michigan homer, so at least he hates Sparty
woooohoooo
wanna see that all day long!
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
Man's game, bitch
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
First big play of the game
BIG STOP HERE BOYS WHADDYA SAY
i feel so nervous about this game
we just need to start scoring
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Nov 22, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Gotta watch Ganntt all day
Hoyer loves Gantt, especially in the red zone gotta watch that guy
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions
wow... Hull is so quick on those blitzes.. :::sigh:::
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
How come?
Why do other teams make these eight yard crossing routes look so easy and we can never do that?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
wonder that every week
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sales Big Time
Senior day for Sales flying to that one
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions
lost an 'r'... my bad
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
That's what happens
when you go over the middle on ANTHONY SCIRROTTO!
good! keep him back... too slow on the blitz
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Laying the Boom
Even after tip it wouldve been caught, nice Scirrotto!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Direct TV........
so why am I getting Boston College on local TV and ESPN blacked out for the PSU game even though the ESPN coverage map show Boston College on ABC and PSU on ESPN in Georgia. WTF.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Turn to channel 211
I live in Charlotte, NC and just got home from work to watch the game and thought the same thing. WTF?
It’s on 211 though! Although I’m sure you figured it out by now!
by nittanysteelers on Nov 22, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
THERE IT IS!
Huge Stop, great push by the DLINE all drive
Please Stay Maybin
Gotta keep him around for a ridiculous defense next season!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions
D looks good today
Maybin will stay another year he is to small to go to the NFL
Projected First Rounder
Just worries that Maybin in projected to go in first round apparently, I did hear that second hand but still a concern.
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions
stupid snow!
that had TD all over it!
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Nov 22, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions
There IT IS
Confidence and Swagger is back for Daryll!!!!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions
he turned towards him... bummer
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Why WHY WHY
Stupid red zone playcalling, COME ON!!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions
Wasted first down
Now a third down pass and a likely FG, what happens to galen and jay inside the 20??
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions
THE MAN!
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Zug!
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Nov 22, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions
ZUG!!
Way to tight rope ZUG, hanging in Clark, Sick
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions
That was huge.
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Nov 22, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions
next year....
what other receivers will we have?
You find out life's this game of inches. And so is football.
by BleedingBlue4Psu on Nov 22, 2008 3:51 PM EST reply actions
Zug, Chaz Powell, Moye, and A.J. Price will prob be the top 4
by whiteoutonly on Nov 22, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
PENN STATE!!!!
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
:D
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was worried there
1st and goal at the 10 is usually death for us. I wish Norwood would have run to the sideline. Probably would have scored instead of letting the safety catch him. Worked out though on a nice play by DC. Nice rollout and throw. That’s the old Daryll.
What was up with the run up the gut on 2nd and goal at the 10?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I see Zug as Norwood next season
Zug will be a great possession receiver over the middle, Powell will be the DWill all purpose type receiver and Brett Brackett will give the height, i think the receivers will be solid!!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions
we have some new recruits that may play, as well
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
man we need to work on that
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
THE DEFENSE
WILL NOT LET THIS TEAM LOSE!!!!!
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions
We're getting them back
Our front seven is going to be sicknasty next year
whatever happend to
knowledge timmons?
You find out life's this game of inches. And so is football.
by BleedingBlue4Psu on Nov 22, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions
Finally a fake to DWill
Good play call to fake to dwill in the back field, gotta make the throw Clark
by GiveitToRoyster on Nov 22, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions
Jeremy Boone
I just noticed that they say “BOONE” when he hits a punt. That is a classy student section.
This just in:
The Berlin Wall has fallen
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I am so damn sick of hearing...
‘playing for a share of the Big 10 title’… how lame is that?
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
Yeah but
Ohio State gets a share of the title and gets to print Big Ten Champs T-shirts
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
then will someone please
tell Patrick to shut up about it!
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
that's what he should be saying
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions