Recruiting Update - Coming Down the Home Stretch
The regular season is over. With many high schools also wrapping up their seasons you can expect the recruiting news to start heating up again. So I figured this would be a good time to update all of you on Penn State's recruiting situation as we round the fourth turn and head down the home stretch toward signing day.
Back in the spring I looked at each position and tried to project how I saw the scholarships being allocated. This was the result of that endeavor.
| Position | Projected Scholarships |
|---|---|
| Quarterbacks | 2 |
| Running Backs | 2 |
| Wide Receivers | 3 |
| Guards/Centers | 2 |
| Offensive Tackles | 3 |
| Tight Ends | 1 |
| Defensive Tackles | 2 |
| Defensive Ends | 2 |
| Linebackers | 2 |
| Cornerbacks | 3 |
| Safeties | 3 |
| Total | 25 |
(Note: The links in the table will take you to each breakdown. Keep in mind these were written back in the spring before Chris Bell, Phil Taylor, Willie Harriott, and Chris Baker were all kicked off the team.)
To date, Penn State has 20 verbal commitments from kids to fill these 25 spots. Let's take a look at what we have to date.

| TE - Gary Gilliam | WR - Brandon Felder | |
| K - Anthony Fera | CB - Stephon Morris | |
| WR - Devon Smith | OT - Eric Shrive | |
| LB - Glenn Carson | OG - Frank Figueroa | |
| OT - Nate Cadogan | CB - Derrick Thomas | |
| WR - Christian Kuntz | CB - Darrell Givens | |
| RB - Curtis Dukes | S - Stephen Obeng-Agyapong | |
| OT - Adam Gress | OT - Mark Arcidiacono | |
| WR - Curtis Drake | S - Malcolm Willis | |
| DT - Sean Stanley | C - Ty Howle |
So when you stack these up against the my scholarship projections this is what you come away with.
| Position | Projected Scholarships |
Verbals | Deficient |
| Quarterbacks | 2 | 0 | -2 |
| Running Backs | 2 | 1 | -1 |
| Wide Receivers | 3 | 4 | +1 |
| Tight Ends | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| Guards/Centers | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Offensive Tackles | 3 | 4 | +1 |
| Defensive Tackles | 2 | 1 | -1 |
| Defensive Ends | 2 | 0 | -2 |
| Linebackers | 2 | 1 | -1 |
| Cornerbacks | 3 | 3 | 0 |
| Safeties | 3 | 2 | -1 |
| Kickers | 0 | 1 | +1 |
| Totals | 25 | 20 | -5 |
Let's go through each position quickly and I'll update you on where I think we are.
Quarterbacks
After not taking a quarterback in the past two years it appeared we were in pretty dire straights to get one this year. Truthfully, we still are. Last year we put all of our eggs in the Terrelle Pryor basket and came home empty. We kind of did the same thing with Tate Forcier and lost him to Michigan. It looked like things were going to be really bad, but then hope was renewed when Kevin Newsome decommitted from Michigan and started giving Penn State a look. So now it looks like we have all of our eggs in that basket. Newsome is planning on taking an official visit to Penn State in December. He plans to announce his choice at the Army All-American game and then he will enroll at the school of his choice for the spring semester. Signs are good for Penn State at this point with Virginia Tech a close second and Ohio State and Boston College tied for a distant third. We're also still holding out a slim hope for Antone Exum, who is also down to PSU and Virginia Tech, but I'm not optimistic there.
If we strike out it's bad, but not a complete disaster. I'm sure we have a few kids in the wings to fall back on like maybe Myles Gibbon. Curtis Drake is an athletic quarterback with potential that could fit into the Spread HD scheme, but I think they would rather use him at wide receiver if at all possible. We also heard Joe praising walk-on freshman Matt McGloin in the preseason, so if we take just one guy I tihnk we'll be ok.
Running Backs
At this time last year we all thought our running back situation was terrible. We hadn't taken one in a few years and the depth chart was getting thin. But we're all pleased with Evan Royster who has another two years of eligibility left. And Stephfon Green has played extremely well as a redshirt freshman and should provide ample depth in the coming years. Add in Brent Carter and Brandon Beachum and we're in pretty good shape for a few years.
We have a verbal commitment from Curtis Dukes who has had an excellent senior year. All of our other targets are off the board, so at this point I think that is all we're going to take. So that -1 in the deficiency column is probably going to stay that way.
Wide Recievers
This was a major position of need this year after missing on targets like Vidal Hazleton and Deon Walker in recent years. The loss of Chris Bell made things even worse. But the coaches have done well in bringing in Felder, Kuntz, Drake and Smith. But like I said, Drake may end up being needed at quarterback. Also, Felder and Kuntz tore their ACL's this fall which may be why we're still talking to Bryce McNeal and Justin Brown as added insurance. And there is a good chance that Je'Ron Stokes may come back on the market with the changes going on in Tennessee. So we're not done here and it's conceivable we may end up with six wide recievers when we're said and done.
Offensive Line
We've met and exceeded my projected quota for offensive linemen. So at this point I think we're done in this area.
Defensive Line
I'm kind of shocked we haven't seen more action on the defensive line, but kind of not too. I really just based those projections on the fact we had so many scholarships to give out that it would make sense to take a few. But truthfully the depth chart doesn't look bad, and that's an area we've always recruited well in the past. Larry Johnson has shown no fear in plugging true freshmen into the rotation. We've got plenty of bodies for next year, so maybe they're going to take a year off and focus on other areas of need like defensive backs and wide receivers. We're still talking to Will Hill, Raynard Randolph, and Jason Ankrah. I don't get a good vibe from Hill and Raynard, and the on-again-off-again relationship with Ankrah seems to be off again. Next year our depth chart will look a lot more attractive to those five star studs.
Linebackers
We really don't need any linebackers this year. The depth chart is overloaded for the next several years. But Glenn Carson is a good get, and we're in pretty good shape with Jelani Jenkins who will probably announce his decision at the Army AA game. Plus we already have a commitment for 2010 from Mike Hull. I have no concerns in this area whether we get Jenkins or not.
Cornerbacks
Penn State desperately needed to bring in at least three cornerbacks in this class after taking only one defensive back last year. And they hit a home run with Morris, Thomas, and Givens. And if things get crowded with all the recievers we're bringing in, we can try moving some of those guys over to defense for added depth.
Safeties
This is another area of need but I'm afraid the coaches are a year late in getting to the party. At this point we really need someone that can step in and play right away in 2009. Obeng-Agyapong and Willis will get a chance to compete for a starting role almost immediately. We're also still in the running for four-star safety Gerald Hodges who is said to be 50/50 between Penn State and Rutgers at this point. Besides Newsome I consider Hodges the biggest must-get still on the board.
Status Report
We're pulling in a nice little class this year. We've addressed the major needs in the secondary, the offensive line, and at wide receiver. We've also addressed minor needs at running back and kicker. But we're still desperately in need of a quarterback, and right now Newsome is probably our only option. Fail to get him and we're most likely looking at starting a freshman or a walk-on in 2011. (Hello? Michigan 2008 anyone?)
I'm also a little bothered by how we blew off the defensive line this year. With so many scholarships to give out I figured we would have pulled in three or four kids. Since the amazing 2006 class that featured Maybin, Odrick, and Evans we've taken a lot of project kids that weren't highly regarded. Now we're probably looking at taking just Sean Stanley who is admittedly very good, but you need four defensive linemen in our 4-3 defense. We're putting a lot of pressure on ourselves to get a good class next year. Otherwise, unless guys like James Terry, Brandon Ware, Chima Okoli, Pete Massaro, and Kevion Latham turn out to be diamonds in the rough we may be looking around in 2012 wondering what happened to all the talent we used to take for granted on the front line.
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great post
I have to admit, as soon as I saw this post, I thought, “Maybe it’s time to write some diatribe about how much I hate recruiting rankings.” For their relative impotence, see: Weis, Charlie.
And then I read this post and really, really appreciated it. Because recruiting IS really, really important. And you take a good, solid look at Penn State’s needs and what the coaching staff is doing to fill them. And you do that without devolving into really subjective analysis of the recruits themselves.
Anyway, I’m hypersensitive to recruiting news, and bsd always does a great job of giving me the news I want without making me crazy. So thanks.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 25, 2008 5:25 PM EST 0 recs
the problem with most recruiting rankings
is they don’t really address how a team performed compared ot what it needed. They also don’t seem to take into account the number of scholarships available.
Theoretically a team could sign 20 5-star QBs and they’d get ranked as a high class, while not really adding much benefit to the team
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 25, 2008 7:09 PM EST
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Exactly
Remember last year when the U had arguably one of the best classes in the country?
Only problem is they signed 5 of the top 7 OLBs… not much else
Can someone tell me what defense you have to run to put 5 OLBs on the field?
Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive
by The VD Special on
Nov 26, 2008 6:16 AM EST
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thats easy
you run the 2-7-2 (and convert some of those OLBs to MLBs :-P )
Great for…um…validating your recruiting status…not much else.
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 26, 2008 8:55 AM EST
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Mitch King
Mitch King, the stud DT for Iowa was recruited as a LB. Two of Miami’s highly recruited OLBs could probably easily switch to DE.
So, you can’t really plast teams for overloading on a position. Sometimes a kids position isn’t known.
Its why they have the generic Athelete position for putting a kid someplace eventually. This also affects Penn State because of Curtis Drake. Throwing him into Athlete or WR or CB and you could hammer JoePa for not getting a QB.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 9:40 AM EST
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that's actually why I specifically said QB
since they tend to not do well at other positions (unless they are more of an Athlete, like Michael Robinson, etc).
I suppose I could have said 20 5-star kickers :-P
Though with the size of Fera coming to Penn State, I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe tries to convert him to LB also ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 26, 2008 10:57 AM EST
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I think that one problem with recruiting rankings
is that they don’t take into account a team’s needs, etc.
But I think the more pervasive problem is that they’re entirely based on really subjective analyses of 17-year olds who haven’t fully developed physically, atheletically, or personally.
For every Terrell Pryor—who everyone essentially rated correctly—there’s a Deon Butler—who was incorrectly rated by everyone except Joe Paterno.
It’s given that the nfl draft is a very inexact science. Most people expect about a third of the first round to be out of the league within a handful of years. And the NFL has a much, much easier job of evaluating talent than do college programs, and particularly college-football recruting websites, who essentially make money giving people something to think, talk, and argue about during the offseason.
When players declare for the NFL draft, not only have they developed more fully as people and athletes, they’ve also played against other competition that is fairly simple to evaluate. It’s fairly easy to recognize what it means to throw for 3,000 yards in a season if you go to Marshall, and how that’s different from doing it at Texas Tech. It’s incredibly more difficult to figure out what it means if someone runs for 2,000 yards in PIAA AAA or in Florida single A or in California 9-man teams.
The variables are so extensive for recruits, throwing stars on their value seems so difficult to do accurately, that, for me, those star-rankings are essentially meaningless. Put another way, I trust Joe Paterno and Tom Bradley more than scouts.com. So, if our coaches go after a kid, I don’t care if he’s got 2 stars or 4 stars or 18 stars next to his name. I figure he’s good for the Penn State program.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on
Nov 26, 2008 10:02 AM EST
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Its more than High School
The vast majority of the ranking system is not from high school games or film. Its from camps. The scouts (not the website, but the actual people) will have these camps kids go to and that is where the scouts get a lot of information about the kids. If the kids don’t go to the camps, they don’t get ranked highly.
One kid that did that is Keshawn Martin currently at Michigan State. His family didn’t have the financial means to send him anywhere so he was not highly regarded or recruited. He was a 2 Star at Scout and a 3 Star at Rivals. I think both under rated him.
Jordan Norwood was also a 1 star at Scout. So yeah, it can happen. However, the other way is also true, hello Anthony Morelli.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 10:22 AM EST
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as for Butler
considering he was a walk-on, I don’t know how highly JoePa regarded him, either.
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 26, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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Joe didn't have to give him a scholarship...
because he was willing to come to Penn State without one. No other major program made him an offer…Joe regarded him more highly than any other program.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on
Nov 26, 2008 11:11 AM EST
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Great work, Mike!
I follow recruiting closely and I have been pleasantly surprised this year as far as how we have been able to get some really nice prospects from out of our comfort zone like our new stud kicker, Mr. Fera from Texas.
We keep cooling on Ankrah, for some reason, and there are rumors why but I won’t speculate on it.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Nov 25, 2008 5:33 PM EST 0 recs
Nice update
Good post. I’m glad to see an update on recruiting. My only comment though is just because we have 20 guys, doesn’t mean these guys are legit. Most of the guys we recruited so far are project guys, especially at WR. I think Brown and McNeal are must gets. They have the size, speed, and hands from what I’ve read. Combine them with Moye and Smith at the slot, we have our WR’s for the next 4 years.
I love the Ferra sign. You never hear about kickers being recruited and this one made noise. He has a lef that hopefully we will see a lot of touchbacks on kickoffs for the next 4 yrs. I don’t think Ankrah will come aboard, I think a lot of that is because we don’t want him because of his lack of grades. I agree Hodges would be a huge get who is projected to play safety. A big physical safety is exactly what we need. Of course Newsome and Jenkins are the two studs who would push us into a top 10 class and give us stud athletes for yrs to come.
by Craig07 on Nov 25, 2008 5:48 PM EST 0 recs
Bryce McNeal
Is he making an offical to Penn State? From what I have seen he is not. I’m guessing that means Penn State has no chance of getting him. He is taking an official to all of his other top 5 schools.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 9:53 AM EST
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Pretty sure I saw
He’s coming to PSU first weekend in December.
by speedomike on
Nov 26, 2008 10:01 AM EST
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Evidently he has a Facebook page that he keeps up to date.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 10:05 AM EST
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Gerald Hodges
Scout shows Hodges has given a verbal commitment to Rutgers…is that true?
by DurtyPaul44 on Nov 25, 2008 6:27 PM EST 0 recs
Dude has been a Ruts verbal for a while...
He has since cooled and has taken other visits and has been in frequent contact with us. I think he is really looking to go to Happy Valley, IMHO
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 25, 2008 7:01 PM EST
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Stealing an RU recruit
Schiano isn’t going to be very happy. He likes to steal PSU recruits.
by NJ lion on
Nov 25, 2008 7:36 PM EST
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That's true... we may be lookig at this all wrong...
RUTS, did he ever verbal to you?
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on
Nov 25, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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RUTS hasn't responded so...
you KNOW it’s true..! He’s out buying the kid a suit…or fitting him in a BSD -T!
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on
Nov 26, 2008 9:49 AM EST
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Let's just say...
…that young Mr. Hodges will have all the grilled stickies and Peachy Paterno he can stomach. Oh, and in order to help him shovel down all those snacks, he’ll be roommates with Koroma and Evans.
by Run Up The Score on
Nov 26, 2008 10:14 AM EST
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lol
though where does buying snacks and ice cream fall under potential NCAA violations? I suppose I should get out the boosters handbook :-P
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM EST
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The official line
is that Hodges is still committed to Rutgers, but he’s also looking at Penn State. He’s pretty torn right now.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Nov 25, 2008 7:49 PM EST
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Project kids
Meaning football projects. Not to be misconstrued as from the projects.
My brother and I were talking this weekend about a post we saw in here during the Project Mayhem going pro speculation that said something about ‘not coming from a good area’ or something and we were like ‘um, have you ever been to Ellicott City?’ Anyway, just spellin that out fwiw….
pax et amor
by jtothep on Nov 25, 2008 9:39 PM EST 0 recs
If they call Ellicott City..
the projects then what would they call the rest of Baltimore? Ellicott City is where a lot of money is at. If people living in the burbs of Baltimore don’t live in Towson then they live in Ellicott City if they are rich. So who ever gave that speculation is wrong.
by Buzz05 on
Nov 26, 2008 6:24 AM EST
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Eh
There are some rougher parts of Ellicot City, but yeah. I taught in Bmore so pretty much anything is a “good” area to me.
by speedomike on
Nov 26, 2008 8:22 AM EST
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That
was from me, I thought he was from Laurel/Bowie area…you are correct Ellicot City is very nice….
My bad
by SweepTheLeg on
Nov 26, 2008 12:41 PM EST
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I'm very optimistic
Suddenly we’re a top tier program again, even if next season isn’t stellar, returning all those all-conference players plus a favorable schedule should translate to 9-10 wins.
I think this class will be excellent and if next season pans out it recruiting could be even better. There were many prospects that passed us over early b/c we weren’t “supposed” to be competative this year. Now we’re en vogue, and even getting looks from kids from SEC territories…
by millzners on Nov 26, 2008 9:39 AM EST 0 recs
Need for DE
I still think the Lions need to get more D-line help. If Maybin and Evans don’t go Pro this year, they will after next year. That is going to be a disgusting d-line with Evans on one side and Maybin on the other. Those two are going to be a wrecking crew.
After next year though, the need to replace them will be immediate.
by DrDetroit on Nov 26, 2008 9:45 AM EST 0 recs
I can't believe that...
…Maybin and Evans are going anywhere.
Opposing quarterbacks are going to have roughly 0.5 seconds to throw the ball against us next year. It’s going to be awesome.
by Run Up The Score on
Nov 26, 2008 10:15 AM EST
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After 2009?
You think they will stay for 2010? I don’t.
I do think they stay for 2009.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 10:23 AM EST
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No, I just can't read.
Somehow, I managed to skip over a very relevant portion of a five-sentence comment.
As Mike said, Evans only has one year (2009) left. And I think they’ll both be gone after 2009.
by Run Up The Score on
Nov 26, 2008 3:15 PM EST
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Evans
Evans has to go after next year. He runs out of eligibility after the 2009 season. Maybin will still have another year if he wants to come back in 2010.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Nov 26, 2008 11:51 AM EST
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I love receiving Kuntz.
I’m interested in him getting playing time. Specifically:
How long do you think it will be for Christan Kuntz to get a high-quality snatch under his belt?
by Cairo on Nov 26, 2008 10:22 AM EST 0 recs
um...well
being Christian Kuntz and all…I’d imagine there won’t be much…um…playing time, until…um….marriage.
I hear Christian Backdoor is all the vogue, though.
by The JuggerNitt on
Nov 26, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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Wide Receiver
First Congratulations on a great post.
I think it’s almost a must situation to recruit either Brown or McNeal. Felder and Kuntz are reclamation projects coming off major injuries and Smith at 5’7’’ ( just like me) is a specialty type guy. I know somebody out there is saying, " Hey Deon Butler was a walk-on and he turned out just fine". True enough but that doesn’t mean lightening is gone to strike again. I hope it does but there are no guarantees.
Brown and McNeal are both four star recruits that have the opportunity to compete with Moye and Zug for playing time. This presents a convincing argument for recruiting them.
That moron Bell had a golden opportunity to become a star at a top flight program. If that guy had one tenth the desire or intelligence of a Butler,Williams or Norwood he would have developed into a top five draft pick.
Lastly, Scout has McNeal down to two schools with PSU in the lead. If the Lions can recruit him along with Brown, Newsome, Jenkins and a four star defensive back we will have a top five class.
Reg4
by Regulator4 on Nov 26, 2008 10:31 AM EST 0 recs
Zug should share playing time with no man
That is a cat you build an offense around
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by TheMightyErik on
Nov 26, 2008 1:38 PM EST
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this
But if Newsome commits and enrolls for Spring, then technically he counts for the 2008 class, correct? That frees us up to get another recruit this year.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 26, 2008 11:15 AM EST 0 recs
That's true
Fera is also planning on enrolling early so his ship will count on the 2008 tally. So we could sign 27 or 28 kids in this class.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Nov 26, 2008 11:53 AM EST
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Nice
Hopefully we can fill our deficiencies and still pick up a couple good receivers (Brown, Stokes or McNeal).
by Screen Name 20 on
Nov 26, 2008 12:13 PM EST
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The Limit is Two
The NCAA limit is that you can count two early enrolees to the prior years recruiting class.
And I think you need to do something to do that. IE tell the NCAA in some manner.
Does anyone know how many kids are thinking of enrolling early? I know Michigan has like 7 or 8 kids that are trying to enroll early.
by DrDetroit on
Nov 26, 2008 1:17 PM EST
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