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Pat Forde: The Worldwide Leader In Stupidity

Bumped from the FanPosts because it's a perfect example of how Pat Forde's idiocy knows no bounds.  As referenced in the comments, everybody always forgets that Penn State throttled the team that beat mighty Southern Cal.  In Pat Forde's world, losing to four-loss Ole Miss at home is totally excusable because (1) it's convenient to his ridiculous argument, and (2) OMG TIM TEBOW AND S.E.C. SPEED. 

Does anybody actually believe that a one-loss team which lost its game at home to a marginally-decent team deserves the benefit of the doubt for anything?  "Oh, but Ole Miss has four really close losses!"  Yeah, so does Iowa.  Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and USC all have more compelling arguments if we're talking about which one-loss team deserves to sneak into the BCS Championship Game.  Forgive me if I can't figure out where all the Florida love is coming from.  In my opinion, they belong in the back of the one-loss line. -- RUTS

[Late edit to the above paragraph:  I should probably take a look at Okie State's schedule, huh?  They've beaten Missouri and nobody.  Glad I caught it before someone forwarded it to EDSBS.  I'd still put Florida behind Texas and Oklahoma, but way ahead of Oklahoma State.]

Samantha (Longview, Texas): Is it safe to say that if a 1 loss team wins the Big 12 that they are going to the NC title game?

SportsNation  Pat Forde: (2:13 PM ET ) Samantha: Not completely safe, but I think there's a good chance. I think it's possible to have one-loss champs of both the Big 12 AND SEC in the title game and undefeated Penn State screaming its head off. But I also believe the voters (esp the coaches poll) will skew heavily to the Nittany Lions because of the JoePa factor. Gonna be REAL interesting to see how all this plays out.

Chad (LA): What JoePa factor? How about undefeated factor?  For the history of time (before the BCS) college football has been about awarding the team with the best season the NC. Just because some "biased" people believe team A is better than team B doesn't mean it actually is. If PSU is undefeated they deserve to prove they are the best, even if they lose. P.S. if a team wants to win a NC it helps not to lose to Ole Miss....thoughts?

SportsNation  Pat Forde: (2:22 PM ET ) Chad: Undoubtedly, it helps not to lose to Ole Miss. It also helps to play Coastal Carolina, Syracuse, Temple and the Big Ten instead of Miami, Florida State and the SEC.

"whiteoutonly" adds: "It seems to me he has made up his mind that no matter what, Penn State is undeserving."  Indeed.  Thanks, Ohio State!  And while I hate to get involved in these arguments because 95% of them are just intended to generate increased interest and discussion, I can't let this one slide.

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For the sake of argument, which current one-loss, major-conference team most deserves to be included in the BCS Championship game?
Texas
369 votes
Oklahoma
43 votes
Florida
203 votes
Oklahoma State
7 votes
Southern Cal
43 votes

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He forgot

Oregon State. They always forget Oregon State. It’s just Temple, Syracuse, and Coastal Carolina. How do those teams compare to Florida Atlantic, UTEP, Arkansas, and Rice? Why does Texas get a pass on that non-conference slate?

I guess because they beat Oklahoma who killed Chattanooga, Cincinnati, Washington, and TCU. And they beat Oklahoma State who beat super powers like Washington State, Houston, Missouri State, and Troy. That makes them an impressive win I guess. But then they lost to Texas Tech which is understandable since they are clearly a power house having beaten Eastern Washington, Nevada, Southern Methodist, and Massachusetts.

The media has it in their head the Big Ten sucks and it’s impossible for a good team to come out of it. Our only saving grace is that the computers don’t care that Ohio State has laid an egg the past two years. My only fear is that the BCS system mixes human polls with computers meaning it’s just a matter of time until the human factor tries to influence or outsmart the computers. Watch for more and more voters dropping us to #6 or #7 to counteract the computer rankings.

by BSD on Nov 6, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas Tech

“Why does Texas get a pass on that non-conference slate?”

The bigger one is Texas Tech, who played 2 Division IAA schools. Special kind of bullcrap there. The BCS needs to tell the statistical rankings to stop including games against Division IAA opponents. I think those two games are actually helping Tech slightly right now in Sagarin and Massey because Division IAA is considered “not that bad” (because there’s a chain of despair from Duke, and Duke’s not that bad in Massey/Sagarin, so half the flippin’ conference floats up – all the way to #20!!! in Sagarin).

I also don’t think that the human voters will drop us. For one thing, we’re not that high in them right now – my Alabama Plan also doesn’t have us jumping them until near the end of the season, when it hopefully will be more obvious that Penn State’s schedule could easily be better than Alabama’s (if Oregon State wins out and Florida/Georgia pick up another loss).

But probably more importantly: people don’t usually shuffle unbeatens in human polls. Most people probably have their minds made up about Penn State/Alabama/Texas Tech. Texas Tech beating Oklahoma State won’t change that: TT is ranked above OkState, so they’re expected to beat them.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 6, 2008 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nearly every "journalist"

omits the OreSU victory. It’s not like they are forgetting it. Call it “selective” journalism. It’s just that stating every OOC opponnent PSU has faced besides OreSU wraps a simple, inane theory up into a nice little package.

In short, if they were to mention the OreSU drubbing, they would have to further explain their position.

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 6, 2008 5:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forde is right, Penn State fans need to calm down

He didn’t omit Oregon State, he is giving PSU credit for beating Oregon State. The only teams he lists are the bad teams Penn State beat then compares them to the better teams that Florida is/will play.

He is speculating on possible scenarios. Everyone needs to calm down. He’s actually being a good analyst to predict alternate possibilities for the BCS.

It is very possible that a 12-1 Florida jumps PSU in the BCS. They have two big games left this year in FSU and Bama. If Bama is undefeated and the Gators beat them, that would be a huge jump for the Gators. The would probably get some #1 human votes and a huge boost by the computers. Its not unrealistic for Forde to say that could happen. He is speculating on a scenario in which PSU is left out of the BCS NC. Its not wrong of him to do it.

The reason no one discusses Oregon State is that no one respects Oregon State. They all assume it was a fluke that they beat USC. Oregon State is 1-3 on the road this year with their only win against winless Washington. If the Beavers do manage to win the Pac10 then the story will be vastly different for PSU. But most writers are expecting the Beavers to lose again. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lose twice more this year.

For the time being, PSU fans just need to calm down. The Lions have a big zero in the loss column and should be able to keep it that way. They only need a little help in the polls to get to the BCS NC game. Go back to enjoying football and worry about the BCS when the SEC/BigXII are playing their championship games.

by DrDetroit on Nov 7, 2008 7:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are just dead wrong

How did he give us credit for beating Oregon State by not even mentioning them, and in your own words only mentioning “the bad teams Penn State beat then compar(ing) them to the better teams that Florida is/will play.”? I could compare Ohio State to the Citadel, or Hawaii, but that wouldn’t be fair to the Gators.

If no one respects Oregon State then why does every Penn State basher ignore them when mentioning our easy OOC schedule? If “no one discusses” Oregon State because they don’t respect them, why do they have no trouble discussing Syracuse, Coastal Carolina and Temple?? They respect Temple?

Clearly the Oregon State/USC game was a fluke, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happened. And it means that undeniably it was a possibility to happen to Penn State…but we throttled them like a bunch of high schoolers. WE DESERVE SOME AMOUNT OF CREDIT FOR THIS, NOT FOR IT TO BE IGNORED BY EVERYONE.

I have trouble just brushing all of the negative press off because 1) it’s coming from everywhere, 2) it’s without reason a decent amount of the time.

I agree that the Big Ten is down, but I hate when writers overlook that to bang on our non-con schedule, which is comparable (and in most cases favorably so) to those of all the other big boys out there.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 7, 2008 9:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conference vs Non-Conference

1. Everyone bags on PSU’s OOC because the Big Ten is down. No one cares that TT didn’t play anyone because they have to play Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. If Michigan was 8-1, Illinois was 6-3, and Wisconsin was 6-3 no one would care about Penn State’s OOC. But the Big Ten sucks this year. Literally the signature win for the Big 10 is Penn State over Oregon State. If the Beavers go on to win the Pac10, that will mean something. Until then, it hurts the Big Ten and especially Penn State. You can’t cry foul because the media says, “Well, the Big Ten sucks, who else did Penn State play?” You’ll also notice that USC is never mentioned in the BCS debate. They only have one loss. Why aren’t they discussed? Its because the Pac10 sucks and USC lost a Pac10 game.

2. Why do PSU BASHERS ignore OSU? Uh, because they are bashers! They exclude them because they are talking down about Penn State. Including the Beavers would make you a Penn State defender, not basher. Its pretty much the definition of basher. S, CC and T are included because you are bashing Penn State. Those teams all suck. So far, Oregon State doesn’t. If Oregon State drops its last 4 games you can bet that the bashers will include them. For now OSU is a ? though, so they will be excluded until its known where they stand. IE if they lose to UCLA people will start including them.

3. His comparison is to not be fair. That’s the point. He said getting to the BCS NC game helps if you don’t lose to Ol’ Miss. It also helps if you play a total crap schedule instead of a good one. (Albeit FSU, Miami and the SEC are better in name than in game play.) Then he lists the part of the schedule that is bad, ie Not Oregon State.

You can’t complain about reporters bagging on Penn State. Penn State’s two biggest wins so far are over an Ohio State team that has been a dissapointment and Oregon State who is 5-3. Dissing Penn State at this point should be expected. This type of bitching is what happens every year in college football. Who should be 1 and 2. And why should 3 through 5 not be. Its also the same arguments every year. “OMG they played a soft OOC, and their conference is down.” Its just that this year an undefeated team is on the receiving end.

by DrDetroit on Nov 7, 2008 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what jimbo said

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 7, 2008 11:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This keeps happening, but let's just set the record straight

selective listing of OOC games is the easiest way to spot a fraud and a lyer like Pat Forde:

Here’s our OOC vs. Florida’s. Let’s see if you can spot why he left out certain teams:

C. Carolina – Hawaii (Hawaii is 4-5 and in the WAC but still better)
Oregon St. – Miami (both are 6-3 but Oregon St. gets the nod for beating USC)
Temple – Citadel (Citedel is 3-6 (1-5) Temple barely gets the nod for the 3-6 (2-3)Syracuse – Florida State (FSU is blatantly over-rated this season, but still better)

Hrrm. Funny how he mentions coastal carolina but not citadel, leaves out oregon state but mentions miami….

These pundits have an agenda, clear and simple.

by millzners on Nov 6, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pay no attention to him

Pat Forde is an SEC Homer and should be ignored, unless of course youre looking for a nice place to get a steak in Lubbock Texas…. In which case ignore him again and ask Todd Blackledge

by JoePaPa on Nov 6, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Pat Forde is an idiote.

He’s making it sound like PSU is out of it but I’m not buying it.

Also, this is funny because it could be real.

by Kevin HD on Nov 6, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Go back and read:

“The Zook Murders” for one hell of a good laugh

by blogue20 on Nov 6, 2008 3:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"yeah man tits"

poetry…..

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 6, 2008 5:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention

that Florida hasn’t beat Florida State yet. Or maybe according to Forde just playing a good team makes you better, in which case the team with the toughest sos should automatically play in the BCS championship. No need to even play the regular season.

by kmpsu on Nov 6, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

USC didn't lose to Oregon State

they allowed them to win so Will Ferrell could put a fire out at practice….

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Nov 6, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got this question in on Ted Miller's ESPN.com chat (he is the Pac-10 Blogger)

Joe (State College): Why does USC get a pass for playing a terrible schedule. They don’t play a ranked team the rest of the year, yet get to stay in top 10. Should we be impressed with a victory vs. Virginia?

 Ted Miller: (3:33 PM ET ) Help me out… Does USC have a common opponent with Penn State…

Go won’t even answer the question because he knows he can’t explain the answer

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Nov 6, 2008 3:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is probably thinking of tOSU

and conveniently forgetting OrSU. Funny how that’s been happening a lot this year.

I wonder if we just say “We beat OSU 45 -14, and we beat OSU 13-6. USC beat OSU 35-3 and lost to OSU 27-21” if it would just confuse the hell out of all these sports pundits to the point that their brains explode and they shut up forever.

Or even a more simplistic: against common opponents, Penn State’s average margin of victory is 19 points, while USC’s is 13 points.

Am I going crazy? Does this only make sense to me? Is USC obviously that much more superior to PSU, despite averaging 6 points less per game against common opponents?

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 6, 2008 5:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For convenience.

Oregon State = OSU
Ohio State = O$U
Oklahoma State = T Boone Pickens Tech

by Cairo on Nov 6, 2008 6:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next year....

They may have a point…

They may have a point…

Akron, Syracuse, Temple, and Eastern Illinois. Embarrassing.

This year we will win out this season and make it to the championship game. I have a feeling things will work themselves out – just like I was confident of a McCain comeback…

by dontcallmescooter on Nov 6, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One out of two ain't bad.

That’s why I hate to wade too deeply into this “who deserves it more” argument — I remember the last few weeks of last season.

But, Florida? Really? Texas lost to the current #2. Okie State and Oklahoma lost to the current #5. USC lost to a better team than Ole Miss, and lost on the road. This isn’t difficult stuff.

Now, the Big 12 could end up having some sort of circular firing squad, but as of right now, I don’t see any reasonable argument for Florida to jump over all those other teams and Penn State.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 6, 2008 3:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's the big problem with the disconnectedness of college football teams

For all we know, TCU is the best team in the country, cuz they come from the mountain west, who beat up on the Pac-10, so they must obviously be the best conference, and their current leader, TCU’s 1 loss only came to Oklahoma.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 6, 2008 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which is why

we have to go this year…..

http://glassesofjoe.blogspot.com/

by psudrozz on Nov 6, 2008 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Florida

could have the chance to beat an undefeated Alabama in the SEC title game. Since we don’t play that week, the voters will fall in love again with Tebow and let them jump us….out of sight, out of mind

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Nov 6, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really hated voting

in that poll. There is just no way to compare across coferences.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 6, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a present for all these pricks who don't know what they are talking about

Here you go

I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?

by psu on Nov 6, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could he have

Forde Dicks in Forde Boxes? Admired by Forde inmate lifers?

Good time for Pat.

Weasel.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Nov 7, 2008 7:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forde is a joke. Has he not noticed that the SEC is Alabama (reputation resting on beating the hell out of Clemson – who is terrible, but everyone thought they would be good – and Georgia, who has one convincing win against LSU and not a whole lot else), Florida (reputation resting on beating the hell out of Georgia and hoping everyone forgets they lost to Ole Miss), Georgia (annihilated by the two good teams they’ve played), LSU (ditto), and mediocrity? Compare fourth and fifth place in the Big Ten (Minnesota and Northwestern) to the SEC (LSU and … South Carolina? Vandy?). I’d take both of ours over South Carolina in a heartbeat, and at a neutral site I think both have at least a good shot at LSU.

The Big XII is the best conference this year, by a pretty wide margin (TTU’s non-conference schedule is abysmal, yes, but if they get through conference unbeaten they’ll have plenty of good wins). There’s a big dropoff after #6 (Kansas), but that’s in part because they have so far to drop. Most years the SEC is #1; this year it’s not, and arguably not even #2 (I’d put the Big Ten about even).

I’m convinced that TTU deserves to be #1 if they win out. Between Alabama and PSU, it’s a lot closer than I originally thought – but I think beating Florida in the SEC title game would be just enough to put them over the top if both Alabama and PSU win out. So I can understand leaving PSU out if there are 3 unbeatens – but no way should a one-loss team vault them.

(As for the poll: Texas. Not close. Florida a distant, distant second, and at this point nobody else anywhere near them. OU or OkSt can get close by beating the other and TTU, but OkSt won’t catch them and OU probably won’t either unless they end up in the Big XII title game. USC … let’s just say I hope the people who voted for them were picking at random.)

by SpartanDan on Nov 6, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Convince me, please

Spartan Dan: “The Big XII is the best conference this year, by a pretty wide margin”.

My question: how can you really know? Who, really, have they beaten – besides each other? What if it turns out that Bama gets dumped, and TTU wins out, but gets exposed by PSU in the MNCG as an ‘08 version of the WAC and loses by 3 TD’s? What then happens in the final rankings, as every ‘quality’ win by a Big XII team has just been shown to be bogus?

Yes, perception matters, especially if 3 teams remain unbeaten. We’ll probably get bypassed, and be Auburn’s trivia question twin in 2 years.

Still, to me it remains very simple: if you want to considered for the Big Game, don’t lose. Period. To anyone, anywhere. If you have a bad game, make sure you still at least win. I’m tired of teams demanding mulligans.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Nov 6, 2008 7:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas lit up Arkansas (even worse than Alabama and Florida did), OU smoked Cincinnati and TCU, Colorado (1-4 in conference) beat WVU, Missouri beat Illinois. Not that great a non-conference resume, true, but it beats the Big Ten’s. The SEC doesn’t really have much out of conference either – Florida beating Miami, Kentucky clobbering Louisville, and maybe Alabama over Clemson are the only decent wins they have out of conference.

I don’t think you can discredit a conference on just one game (you’d think PSU fans would be the last to do so, given how pissed off they are – justifiably – about OSU’s chokejobs being held against them) – did OU getting blown out by USC in the title game mean the Big XII sucked that year?

As to the last part: agreed 100%. A one-loss team should never leapfrog an unbeaten major-conference team. Even if that happens to be a Big Least team. (Of course, this wouldn’t be an issue if we had a playoff.)

by SpartanDan on Nov 7, 2008 12:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few additional Q&A's from Pat

Cairo: If Penn State goes to the BCS championship game and defeats an SEC team, Big XII South team, or USC, do they deserve the Sears Trophy awarded to the #1 team in FBS football?

Pat: I dunno. You gotta factor in that Coastal Carolina non-con game. I’d give it to a 1-loss SEC or Big XII team.

Cairo: Since Ohio State’s 2006 results in big games matters so much in the minds of the media who look at the 2008 Lions, where does O$U’s 27-7 victory over Texas in Austin fit into the conversation?

Pat: It is on the top shelf all the way in the back of the ESPN warehouse. It is sandwiched between the Michigan pasting of Florida last year and all of Oklahoma’s BCS bowl gag-jobs. In other words: "conveniently forgotten."

Cairo: Penn State’s 2009 non-con schedule features Akron, Syracuse, Temple, Eastern Illinois. Should PSU skip the 2009 schedule since it means they can’t possibly be competitive next season?

Pat: Probably. The only way I will accept PSU in the FBS next season is if the Eastern Illinois Panthers change their name to “Sex Panthers” (50% of the time, they work every time!).

by Cairo on Nov 6, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   2 recs

lovin' the answer to question two...

makes it seem like the Ark of the Covenant in the first Indy movie. hopefully it will make a brief reappearance when the warehouse in Bristol is ground-zero for a hydrogen bomb detonation (or the NCAA equivalent : PSU taking the chip in spite of the hate). as Stewie Scott would doubtless say after the mushroom cloud wafted away : “boo-yah”

hopes Maybin wipes his ass with some TP

by conquering lion in the 215 on Nov 6, 2008 6:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is the Big XII

the best conference in the nation? None of their teams have a defense. You have to be able to play offense, defense AND special teams to be be the best. Granted, I can’t answer who the best conference is this year, but I would put us above Texas Tech and any other Big XII team any day. They wouldn’t know what hit them (It would be Maybin, but he’d hit them so hard they wouldn’t know)!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Nov 6, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PSU might beat anyone in the Big XII … but I don’t think any of the top four teams in the Big XII finish lower than second in the Big Ten this year. The best conference isn’t necessarily the one with the #1 team.

by SpartanDan on Nov 7, 2008 12:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im so sick

of this BCS B.S. But i am torn, i do love the controversy it causes sometimes and the importance of every game. However, some consistency would be pretty nice.

Whatever happens, GO STATE! BEAT IOWA AND FEED GREENE SOME STUFFING

by hawaiipennstatefan on Nov 6, 2008 6:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I were a hack writer...

…and I wanted to attain a lot of hits for my article, and make lots of money for my employer, the first thing I would do is write like a high school junior, with one sentence paragraphs like this.

Then I’d follow up with a shorter statement like this.

Then a shorter one like this.

Then a “Wow”.

Wow.

The second thing I would do to garner a lot of attention for me, my employer, and our Lord and Master, the “Sponsors”, is that I’d ridicule, demean, and trivialize universities teams with a very rabid alumni or fan following who beat their chests with pride at the many wins their team has achieved. It’s even better when the team’s undefeated. I’d write a spiteful, facetious article, offer a “comment section” so that these rabid fans and alumni may respond with their opinions, then I’d respond back and defend my position with specious reasoning.

Like clockwork, these rabid fans would tell other rabid fans about my article, then it would snowball from there.

Then I’d make a lot of money for me and my employers.

Then I’d write another article, using this same formula, except maybe to praise a team for their style and sexiness, and not their fundamentals, which is boring and torrid.

Then the first set of rabid fans and the second set of fans will get into it. Debating. Referring to my article.

Then I’d sit back and read the hornet’s nest I had stirred up.

Then I’d end this article.

And say “Wow”.

“That was so easy.”

by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 7, 2008 1:01 AM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

If we win out

If we win out, and bama or tt suffers a loss, we’re in. Unless the writers underlying intention is to set up a situation where the BCS must be changed. There is no possible way, writers can justify keep out a top notch program that goes unbeaten from the title game.

However stupidity is a plague, atleast our boys seem to have the right mind set focusing only on Iowa, and not all of the this other junk.

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 7, 2008 6:56 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remeber that the writers have no say

They could vote us 10th and we’d still be in the BCS championship.

I’m not sure about the Harris poll voters, but there is no way the coaches would jump a one loss team over us.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 7, 2008 7:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The "people" voted for PSU to be #2

it is the computers (which are really just the amalgamation of a bunch of opinions) that put PSU at #3 -

the “quality wins” and sos are what drive the computer rankings -

the humans will vote for an undefeated team – the computers won’t care.

So PSU has to win this weekend, next, and the one after that – and everyone else (in the top 5) needs to lose – at least once.

by PSUgirl on Nov 7, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we can continue to argue about this

But when it comes down to it are you really going to say that the Big 10 is as good a conference as the SEC? I know Florida lost at home to Ole Miss. I know Ole Miss is not that good. I think I DO know that Ole Miss would be better than every team Penn State will play in their Big 10 schedule save for MSU and OSU.

Forde’s comment on the OOC schedule is also good point. Yes PSU beat Oregon St, who beat USC. But that was the only challenging OOC schedule (not to mention is was at home) and Florida will be playing their toughest OOC at Florida St. (who is ranked btw).

We will play for the championship if we go undefeated. Florida is looking very strong now and if they win @Vandy, South Carolina, Citadel, and @ FSU they get to play Bama/LSU in the SEC title game. right there is 4 games against good opponents. Not to mentions they already KILLED Georgia and LSU.

They shouldn’t be there above us if there are 2 one-loss teams and us. I’m willing to bet the championship game will be PSU vs Florida and we can find out who the better team is then.

"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson

by phishead_psu on Nov 7, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But look at what you're saying

They killed Georgia & LSU which is impressive because….. what…. LSU won the title last year & Geogia was expected to be really good this year? They’re going to play FSU, but they haven’t yet & they could lose that. They get credit for beating teams that people thought would be good & games they haven’t played yet.

Alabama & Florida seem to be good teams, but to say the rest of the SEC is better than the rest of the Big Ten after us is just conjecture. The Big Ten always pushes jaOss (just another Ohio state school) & Michigan. When either or both of them are down, everyone says the Big Ten is down.

by Elihu on Nov 7, 2008 12:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Point

In the Big Ten, if michigan or OSU are down, but teams like Northwestern or Minnesota are up, then the conference is terrible! But if in the SEC, if a below marginal team has a good year, “that speaks for how good the conference is”………is BS

Can’t wait to lay the smack down

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 8, 2008 10:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But when it comes down to it are you really going to say that the Big 10 is as good a conference as the SEC?

Why not? LSU got destroyed in both of their real games so far and has one win over a team with a winning record (South Carolina). Georgia, in turn, got annihilated by Bama and Florida. Most of the conference’s reputation this year is based on preseason expectations that 1) the SEC would be awesome, and 2) Clemson was supposed to be good but turned out to be terrible; Alabama therefore gets a huge boost because they won before anyone knew just how bad Clemson is this year. (Same thing is propping up LSU and Georgia, really: LSU got a big boost out of clobbering Auburn before they were exposed, and LSU is Georgia’s only good win.)

by SpartanDan on Nov 7, 2008 12:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO

The only ESPN college football writers worth reading are Bruce Feldman and Chris Fowler, bloggers excluded. Schlabach, Maisel, Cook, and Forde are all just talking heads.

by gumbercules on Nov 7, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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