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Over 700 comments in the previous thread, so here's another for your post-game reactions.  Penn State could have done a lot of things differently, but Iowa won the game with their red zone defense and final offensive drive.

Daryll Clark had a nice stretch of completions halfway through the game, but he started and ended poorly*.  The playcalling relied heavily on Derrick Williams in the backfield, and I think it's fair to wonder if the coaches were being too careful with Clark in light of his previous concussion.

The Rose Bowl is still within grasp with victories against Indiana and Michigan State, but a weekend of mourning and dissection is more than appropriate.  What went wrong, in your opinion?

* - Upon slightly further review, Clark received next to no assistance from his offensive line.  They were totally fine on rushing plays, but pass blocking was atrocious.  That may not even be a strong enough word, and it was even worse when Iowa unleashed its blitz packages.  You know how Penn State's defensive blitzes never work?  Think the exact opposite of that.

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It’s your fault, Mike

FAIL

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

*too

starting with a typo…

ERIK -————- FAIL

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

God

I always blame God – he’s the greatest scapegoat.

And I blame Evan Royster for not punching it in the endzone on our 2nd possession in the 1st quarter.

by cjapsu on Nov 8, 2008 9:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Weather

I’m not blaming this solely on the weather, but it was an undeniable factor today. One of our greatest strenghts is how balanced our offense is, but what we didn’t take into account was how much we needed that balance. If the first horribly called series showed us anything, it was that the weather took out one of our greatest strenghts in passing, and shifted the whole balance of the offense to the RBs. Granted, yes, we never should have called three pass plays on the first drive, especially knowing it was already windy, but we haven’t had a situation this year where the weather took out a portion of our game as much as it did today, and that hurt us. It’s also not something you can practice, which makes it even harder to adjust to.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2008 9:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

With the wind and cold, the passing attack was stunted. 9 times out of 10, this doesn’t happen, and while I’m happy for the win, I’m a little sad that the conference is now unlikely to be in the MNC game.
Good luck on the rest of the season, and if it shakes out this way, beat the snot out of USC in the Rose Bowl.

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 8, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Somehow Stanzi threw the ball all over the field to get them the last three and I am pretty sure he was playing on the same field

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's simple...

Look, we had several chances to score TD’s and failed. That goal-line stand where we had, what, at least 4 chances to get in really hurt us. Just think — one of those turned TD could have saved us.

Clark going 9/23 is just…. horrible, and it makes me think there was still some lingering effects from that hit two weeks ago (I don’t buy that it was ALL the wind’s fault).

Some play calls were pretty shady, and Quarless catching a pass would have been nice in those clutch situations.

However, as I think most of us knew already, our defensive secondary is full of holes and gives receivers easy short receptions. The d-line did pretty well, but you know they beat us through the air… not the ground.

by smashtheguitar on Nov 8, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

who else has hotel in florida on January 8th?

"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno

by pslion on Nov 8, 2008 9:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll be there

Luckily my wife is joining so the reservation is at the Four Seasons. At least it will be a comfortable three nights.

by 87Lion91 on Nov 8, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So True.

So many times of coming so close will make getting there that much sweeter.

I used to be in the “blame God” category, actually I was there like 2 hours ago, but we’ll be shown favor one of these days. Bank on it.

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Nov 8, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah innocence

Leave it to a child’s innocence to put things into perspective. That fills me with hope, but this still stings like lemon juice to a paper cut, only constantly right now

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had that moment

(what year was it), in the Iowa game where we made the great comeback only to lose it in OT (the infamous JoePa chasing down the ref game). I was tres bummed. The next day I was still feeling the effects when I was with my boy (he was 2 at the time) at the Military Museum in Boalsburg. It was a beautiful day and he was having a blast and watching him got me realizing “we lost and the sun still came up and it’s a new day” and everything was all better.

Still, this was very disappointing. I sincerely thought we had a championship team this year. I’m going to say “Congratulations” to Iowa and that this loss makes me no less proud of this team. I look forward to watching them give IN, MSU and our Rose Bowl opponent a serious thrashing.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean

Wifey hit me up with that story in my fanpost and I see you guys had the same feel better tonic I did with my 4 year old. Puts it all in perspective and keeps you looking forward. Right now I am playing Barbies while leaving the room every once in a while to check on scores / emails and the game is becoming a memory and not something that will scar me for life but rather a temporary dark cloud.

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike, I agree

I definately agree, and the team played a great season so far, and our record is still going to be great, we’ll make a bowl game and probably have one of the best seasons in PSU history, but I want to be selfish. Two teams get to make the national championship, why couldn’t we be one of them? God, I really thought this was the year and everything was falling in place for us. That’s what kills me the most. A couple months ago I read a blog about the Penguins after they lost the Stanley Cup. And in it the writer talks about how after the game he just sat there for a while and started to cry. Not because the loss was so terrible, but because that team will never be the same team, he’ll never watch that team play again. That team was a team of destiny, with the trades, injuries, players stepping up, historic wins (Game 5). And that’s how I feel now. I figured we’d probably be in the Rose Bowl anyway, but this team deserved to go undefeated

by WPIALkid22 on Nov 9, 2008 2:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike...

….that is exactly how I would describe the game, my thoughts, and my reaction…only substitute your two kids with my dog.

The Wiz and Orn switch…what was the reason? Wiz has been a stud all year. It is not like they decided to run left more. They actually ran right more.

DC was definitely not himself and I have to think there was some aftermath. I hate to be this way, but is it possible that Devlin gets some extra reps this week, because Clark obviously was tentative. I am guessing Clark not being 100% is one of the reasons that D-Will carried the ball 15+ times and was the best offensive player in a PSU uniform.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sitting in a Raleigh BW3 watching Penn State and Iowa

because the game was blacked out in favor of Florida State-Clemson (ugh), I was receiving dirty looks and in-your-face expressions from several SEC fans because I was openly rooting for Penn State and LSU (while wearing an Ohio State t shirt). (And believe me it was hard to root for LSU.)

Penn State fans, don’t get too down. All the ingredients are still there for a great season. Plus I don’t know how many players are expected to return but I’m guessing you’re in a pretty good situation for next year too.

To put this in perspective for you… after the USC game I sat in a bar with several tOSU fans just miserable and filled with angst. We’re losing something like 22 starters next year. And it was starting to feel like maybe the last four years have been a complete sham (when you combine the USC train wreck with the LSU & Florida dismantlings). I’m bringing this up to make the point that things could be worse.

So buck up. Focus on Michigan State and USC. And please, please shut up Pete Carroll on Jan 1.

Go Lions. Go Bucks. Go Big Ten.
greg

by NCBuckeye on Nov 9, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

thanks

Nice post, great to see/hear that from a bucks fan…. thanks, and I hope we really crush Southern Cal

by Bstoner52 on Nov 9, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn nice of you, bro

Thanks for the kind words and here’s hoping the Big10 wins all of our bowls

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moving On...

Is always hard to do after a tough loss. I’m still not 100% over this but a beat down of Indiana will help. Also, we run the table, we play in the Rose Bowl. If that happens I want USC in a big way. I want this team to have a moment like it did in 05 after the Orange Bowl. This year however, beating a USC team, with the “best defense” in the country would be awesome. It would give us a shot to finish top 5 which I believe we are and also give Ohio State fans something chew on after that piss poor effort in Southern Cal back in Sept. I love this team…I wanted a national title so bad but now I have to look forward and to me that’s the Rose Bowl and an SC beat down.

WE ARE…

by PSUROLLS on Nov 10, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PSU Blew It

The Offensive Coaching staff blew it in the second half when State could go for the kill they elected to go in the turtle shell and hide…just hope they could get out of the game with a win..

Daryl Clark choked….enough said their.

Defense couldn’t get press on the quarterback (which he is very worthless) and he looked like John Elway leading a game winning drive…

The team joked….that is all could be said.

I think we had our hopes up for a perfect season and realistic thinking is we should of figured a game like this…just not against IOWA…maybe Wisconsin or Ohio State or even maybe THEM but not IOWA….

I’m very disappointed and Rose Bowl just doesn’t sound good right now to me…I hope the Nittany Lions come out the next 2 weeks and look possessed because they haven’t over the past 2 games…I should say the offense doesn’t

Final thought…when JoePa and gang could of ran up the score they elected to play run game 3 downs, punt, and hope the defense could get the win in the second half…I thought we were past that and we had this awesome HD offense….stick it up your A@% Jay…

Going to go drink a 5th of wiskey now and hope to wake up with a better attitude because PSU put me in a fighting one…

by ACtheStud1980 on Nov 8, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also wanted...

to say this: how many recruits watch this game….i hope this game didn’t hurt us in the recruiting game. i was really starting to get excited about this recruiting class but now what is going to happen….just food for thought!

by ACtheStud1980 on Nov 8, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No change

A close loss like this won’t (re: shouldn’t) make a difference. This is still a team in the driver’s seat for the Big Ten title and a Rose Bowl birth. If that’s somehow not “good enough” for a recruit, they’re in for a sad reality when they finally make it in.

If we we’re in a lackluster transition year (see Michigan and WVU), that’s how a loss or two can give recruits second thoughts. If anything, it gives recruits something to achieve that the team they watch now didn’t do.

by IcersGuy on Nov 8, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But...

What would have looked worse, to choke big later on with an MNC on the line, or a close game now where we can still finish 11-1

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another thought...

The one thing that is bringing me down the most right now is that Joe Pa in all likelihood won’t get another chance at a MNC. But here’s to the future and whoever steps into his shoes…

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Nov 8, 2008 9:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good Chance Next Year

Very few road games. Ohio St. comes to Happy Valley. Michigan will still be rebuilding. This will be year 2 at starting for Clark. Lee will be back at LB. In a lot of ways, next year was the more likely year than this year.

by christof2000 on Nov 8, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OL and Secondary Rebuilding

Two units will have to be replaced. That’s not a good formula for success. This was the year, at least for another 2-3 seasons.

by gcdyersb on Nov 8, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think we’ll win 8, maybe 9 games next year. Let’s not forget we also lose D-Will, Butler, and Norwood at WR.

by psuquinn on Nov 8, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Next year is going to be tough. We lose the three WR’s, three guys on the O-Line, and three DB’s. But we return our QB, RB, D-line, and LB’s. So it shouldn’t be a drop off where we’re just happy to make a bowl game. Eight or nine wins sounds about right. 10 or 11 if some youngsters step up and fill those holes well.

by BSD on Nov 8, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think 10 wins easy next year...

…we have 8 home games and 4 patsy games OOC.

Lee coming back will be HUGE next year. We miss him so much, because Hull is just plain bad. He was clueless in pass coverage and just does not have the size and/or speed to be a big time LB.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind...

2009
Sept. 5 AKRON
Sept. 12 SYRACUSE
Sept. 19 TEMPLE
Sept. 26 IOWA
Oct. 3 at Illinois
Oct. 10 EASTERN ILLINOIS
Oct. 17 MINNESOTA
Oct. 24 at Michigan
Oct. 31 at Northwestern
Nov. 7 OHIO STATE
Nov. 14 INDIANA
Nov. 21 at Michigan State

by speedomike on Nov 9, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what saddens me about this loss

That, and the fact that D-Will will not get the championship he wanted to bring to Happy Valley. That sux.

by PSU Jen on Nov 9, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa played properly.

Allow Clark to make the difficult throws. This was especially effective with the weather. If he makes them, Iowa is screwed. If he doesn’t the strategy pays off. It really is a roll of the dice. Ferentz is a very good coach and sometimes the other team is just better.

I think Iowa is more talented than some here want to give them credit for, and maybe, just maybe, teams had enough film on this HD offense to make it look analog.

by FSUncensored on Nov 8, 2008 9:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think "properly" is a good word for it.

I can’t say that Penn State was doomed or screwed by anything other than (a) themselves and (b) Iowa.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 8, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where were the defensive ends???

I thought Odrick played well, but the DE’s didn’t have much of an impact. I figured we would have 5-6 sacks against their offensive line

by psuquinn on Nov 8, 2008 9:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what about the timeouts?

Why not use all the timeouts? I’m am outraged that the games ended and PSU had two timeouts in their pockets.

as soon as Iowa hit our 40 we should have be coaching against the clock. Iowa killed nearly 2 minutes before we called a timeout to “ice” the kicker before a twientysomething yard attempt.

by WETSU on Nov 8, 2008 9:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why Give Iowa more plays?

If Penn St.called timeout, it would have stopped the clock. The defense was holding up well on first and second down, but was giving up first downs on long third downs. Calling timeout would not have helped.

by christof2000 on Nov 8, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes it could have

Iowa got thier last fist down down around the 15 or 20 whatever it was with 48 seconds left. they then ran three plays to set themselves up for the field goal. we could have used TOs and got the ball back with at least 30 seconds… not much but would have be a chance for long pass plays.

by WETSU on Nov 8, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TOs

That might’ve pissed me off the most. When you let the team have the ball at the end of a close game, they, and not you are in control of who wins. I remember screaming at the TV, “Call Time Out, Call Time Out!!” and looking at my friends like, wtf? and knew it was over after that

by WPIALkid22 on Nov 9, 2008 3:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa is a Very Good Team That Is Just Started to Learn How to Win Games

Iowa has lost 4 games this season by what? 12 points? Turnovers nearly killed Iowa. But for the turnovers, Iowa would have won by double digits.

This isn’t an attack on Penn St. I am a Penn St. fan. Iowa, however, is the better team. Had the ball bounced differently in a couple of their losses, they could easily be undefeated right now.

by christof2000 on Nov 8, 2008 9:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

But they didn't win those games

They were close, but thats exactly the point, they didn’t pull those games out when they should of, so I don’t know how you can say they’re the better team. They also didn’t beat Wiscy AND tOSU on the road. There’s too many “buts” in your argument to make it legitimate, and I’m not trying to be bitter or a sore loser, but if they were truly better than us, they would have pulled out those wins, it just so happens that they managed to pull a squeaker out today.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Float this one..........

to the rest of the country. This loss looks bad. Maybe after bowl season it won’t, but right now it doesn’t look good. Right now we look like a team that can score on a bunch of boobs, but not really on anyone else.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 8, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue

that Iowa is not a “very good team”. But we are a decent team that’s getting better.

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 8, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But for the turnovers...

Turnovers are such a huge part of the game though. If Darryl Clark doesn’t throw that pick at the end, maybe Penn State goes in for the touchdown, putting them up by 10. Then it’s us that wins by double digits. You can say that about any team for just about any game. They would all do a lot better if they didn’t turn the ball over.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 9, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DC's INT

was on 3rd and 24. Although if he completes that pass it is an easy first down. That was an easy throw that any D-1 QB should make (without wind). I don’t know how much the wind played on the pick but I am hoping it impacted the throw alot because it wasnt even close.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, if DC doesn't hold the ball over his head on the 3rd play of the game...

then he doesn’t fumble it down to the 1 yard-line and we actually have some room to punt.

Giving then a 25-yard field on their first drive killed us. They had no trouble scoring, and that helped build early momentum for them and give them confidence. Clark’s play just did not give us a chance to win like we should have. Yes, the o-line should have been blocking better, but for god’s sake, HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL!

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That sucked

I mean, it really, really sucked. But remember that most of us were thinking 10 wins at best this year. I’m still pissed, but…

On to Pasadena!

by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps the worst thing

will be hearing the lame Pitt fans saying “we beat Iowa, so we’re better than PSU”…

by psuquinn on Nov 8, 2008 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

easy....

It could be so much worse, bro.

See: University of Washington

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Truly a team loss

We lost due to a combination of Iowa winning the battle at the line when we were on offense and a lack of execution from our skill players.

Quarless’s dropped pass because he tried to run before he caught it. I’m fed up with Quarless. I get to watch him come out of the tunnel every game by HIMSELF dancing around like he’s god’s gift to football. He hasn’t done anything but he has the biggest ego on the team. Combined with some off the field issues I’m amazed he’s still here. I hope he sits the entire game against Indiana. Schuler is highly underrated.

Clark’s overthrown ball to D Will that got intercepted.

Norwood’s dropped pass off his chest.

Sargeant’s dropped interception.

Scirrotto’s pass interference (although this was questionable).

Our key skill players didn’t execute. The blame doesn’t rest with any single one of them – they each had distinct opportunities to make plays to win the game and didn’t. This reminds me of our offense last year and it makes me sick. It’s so frustrating to watch such a powerful offense with so many weapons come just short of gelling and getting it done.

Coaching was another issue too. You put D Will in the backfield and score a touchdown in the RZ with that nifty direct snap, fake handoff, D Will draw play. I’m sitting there thinking “D Will is a high school quarterback, I bet they’re opening up a pass play for him later on.” Sure enough, next drive D Will has that fun completion. Cool, you had a bye week, you got some new toys to play with. Next play, they keep D Will in the backfield and Jay Paterno knows that he just established the pass as a threat so he can run now! Except everyone in the stadium knows Penn State isn’t going to call two WR pass plays in a row with D Will under center – the run goes for a loss and there’s another drive that stalled out.

I think this is a huge indication that Clark isn’t 100%. In warmups, he still looked a LITTLE out of it when they showed his face close up. It wasn’t anything really obvious but he just didn’t have that focused, determined look like he used to (I’d love to see screen caps of his demeanor before today’s game and others to compare). I felt like as Clark was to Morelli in the Alamo Bowl, D Will was to Clark today. It really seemed like they were putting D Will in situations that they used to use Clark for. A QB draw would have been much more effective when you have your QUARTERBACK under center and not the fastest WR on your team.

The other error the coaches made – the timeout situation in the last minute. I don’t remember the specifics, but I remember watching the clock just ticking down in the last minute between plays and just feeling sick to my stomach that they weren’t taking a timeout. Iowa is in field goal range, they have more than enough timeouts themselves left, you need to hope to force a FG and then come back with a TD – you need to have the time to do that (although I wouldn’t have minded letting them score a TD and giving your offense 1:20, 2 timeouts to control your destiny). It was an absolutely boneheaded decision to let the clock run down like that. I have to hope that that wasn’t JoePa’s call.

I was really upset with this loss, but at the end of the day, I’m still grateful to get a Rose Bowl out of this season. Daryll Clark played like who I thought he was this game. I’ll take 11-1 with wins over tOSU and Michigan and a Rose Bowl bid. It beats the 10-2 Capital One Bowl season I was expecting.

by PSUMBBtrumpet on Nov 8, 2008 10:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

NO BIG DEAL

suck it up, this is a great season!

by millzners on Nov 8, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

3 hours ago I would have sworn at you, but yeah, you’re right.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See... people are coming back to the light

Best part for me is I can hopefully meet some of you out here at the Rose Bowl. Worse things have happened throughout the course of time

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what a dick... LMAO

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to get back to being

the little kid. Back to a simple time. When I did care more about just juice, and not the lost trip to Miami.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 9, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Either way you looked at it...

It was funny however you read it. I know you’re cooler than that but it was funny the first time I saw it. If we make it to the Rose Bowl I’ll bring some ‘juice’ to our tailgate

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, fair enough

Would love to drink some juice with TME at a Rose Bowl tailgate. Here’s to hopin they figure out some of the shizzit that went wrong Saturday (can’t do much about cold weather, dropped passes, Scirotto pass interference, but sure can about DC & Devlin), and do some damage on Sparty and the hoosiers, to make that happen.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 9, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right on!

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moral of the story is...

…nothing is a given in college football. And I’m not just holding us fans accountable for all the hype and debates the last few weeks, but also – and most definitely – the sports writers/analysts/journalists/hacks, some of whom actually have a say in who deserves to go in what bowl.

I’m looking especially at Tom Dienhart, Pat Forde, and that insufferable weasel, Mark May. It’s one thing for them to assume we would go undefeated and earn an undeserved spot in the BCS championship, but it’s a whole other story when they tell us “We told you so” after today’s loss. Which they will.

(It’s better to wield the double edge sword than to be at its end)

No, they did not tell us anything of value. Don’t let them fool you into thinking otherwise. They didn’t predict our loss to an unranked Iowa team and it certainly does not validate their expertise of this game. Just about all of them said we would go undefeated and just about all of us (especially yours truly) said the same thing.

Just like us, they are just flying by the seat of their pants on a Lazy-Boy recliner, playing Sunday Morning Quarterback, all the while utilizing hindsight to their advantage: all disguised as professional expertise.

Now they’re going to say the BCS is a terrific system because, as this weekend showed, the season works itself out eventually.

And what are we saying? That Joe Pa needs to retire. That we need to open up the playbook. That it’s JayPa’s fault. That we’re too conservative. That we can’t win when it counts.

Back to 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 we go!

I swear, no other sport screws with our collective American heads like college football. They should torture Guantanamo detainees with this God foresaken game and its byzantine logic system.

by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 8, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Kudos, Mr R

well said… very well said

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i am blaming...

…the refs right now. or at least that one line judge that on the final drive called that insanely horrible pass interference call, spotted the ball twice at least 1 yrd past where greene went down and yet failed to call intentional grounding when stanzi was still in the pocket…bite me damn ref!!!

the worst part was the fact that i was in a bar full of ohio state fans that were enjoying it. i wanted to yell out to them “hey you mother f-ers…this just screwed your chance at the rose bowl idiots!”

tomorrow, i will be happy about the rose bowl. but tonight…tonight i mourn for joepa.

this was his year.

by amandakt on Nov 8, 2008 10:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not trying to get on the ref bandwagon here...

I was wondering about the ‘grounding’… did I miss something on that one? Ball didn’t seem to hit the LOS and he still seemed to be in pocket. I dunno… I was a bit puzzled by that one (but then that happens to me a lot)

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm pretty sure...

…that line judge was paid off by mark may. that is my only explanation for that last drive.

i’m not the smartest when it comes to picking up the penalties, but when i can clearly see something, there is an issue. (anyone else questioning the “holding” call when the iowa guy fell down and our guy landed on him? there wasn’t any holding before the guy went down…)

i know it wasn’t the refs fault…but that was the straw that broke the camels back LOL that and those damn commentators during the game. was anyone else wanting to mute the TV. if i had to hear the fact that we needed a fancy game one more time i was going to throw my beer at the tv!

by amandakt on Nov 9, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple things

Did PSU even convert a 3rd down in the second half? Um, that’s a big deal, guys, especially when you spent the 1st half abusing Iowa by always gaining one or two more yards than you needed.

Two, as has been pointed out before, you’re still going to the freaking Rose Bowl.

Last, I rather like PSU and most of you fans, so I sort of wish this huge win for Iowa could have come against, like, OSU. But I value my folks’ feelings over yours, so… don’t take it personally, y’know.

P.S. Please do not lose to MSU.

AKA Shadow

by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 8, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear God

Help us all if Sparty goes to the Rose Bowl. We’ll have a hundred MSU blogs pop up in a week. But thankfully they will all go dormant a week later.

by BSD on Nov 8, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think in general

they just didn’t handle the pressure of having to win. For lack of a better term they seemed to play “tight” today, who played at an elevated level today the whole game other than Odrick?

Stefon Green took a screen pass 80 yards vs. Michigan. Have we seen that play called since? Were there any screens today? With the wind today would have been a good day to feature screen passes.

Am I the only person who thinks DWill had alligator arms on the late Clark INT? He’s really not that good down the field as a receiver, think back to the dropped ball against Wisconsin. That aside, I was really disappointed the defense let them all the way down the field to score the winning field goal. Hopefully this team can keep its focus to win the next two games.

Dissect the playcalling as you will but this mainly falls on the players. There were many opportunities to put Iowa away.

by Joe 96alum on Nov 8, 2008 10:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Screen Passes

I wondered the same thing on screen passes today. I’ve thought in the past that there are games they go to it too much. Here, on a day when the wind allegedly was a factor, a few screen passes seemed to make a lot of sense, yet unless I am mistaken, I don’t recall one.

by Nittany Lawyer on Nov 9, 2008 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't have the numbers on it, but I agree

I figured we’d see a ton of screens today.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alligator Arms? Really?

Come on man, are you serious? DWill is not seven feet tall – Brackett wouldn’t make that grab. How can you dismiss him? I felt bad for four people yesterday: my roommate and I (who had Dibz to the game), JoePa, and DWill… DWill has given himself to that program for 4 years. Everyone thought he was nuts when he said they are aiming for a NC this year. Everyone says he hasn’t lived up to being the #1 recruit in the nation. Why did it take the 10th game in his senior season to involve him in the offense so heavily????

by Bstoner52 on Nov 9, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clark threw it to Tacopants.

Apparently, Tacopants still had eligibility and has transferred to Penn State.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Williams' effort

Didn’t get a great angle, but I couldn’t understand why he didn’t at least get his arms up.

by 87Lion91 on Nov 8, 2008 10:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute...

That ball was an easy 10 feet over D-Will’s head. The reason he pulled his arms down was because he probably thought it was intended for another PSU receiver. That ball was so horribly thrown. It reminded me of that nightmare I would have every Saturday in 2006 and 2007.

I think one of the last players to criticize in this game would be D-Will. He played his ass off.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, wasn't trying to criticize him

That’s why I said I didn’t think there was a great angle. Not only did he stand out yesterday as having an excellent game, but I see him as largly responsible for the program’s turnaround over the last few years. I will always love the guy for what he has done for us, but when I watched the play I had the same reaction that Joe did, that’s all I’m saying.

by 87Lion91 on Nov 9, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No prob...

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IOWA a good team?

Who are some of you fooling. Iowa is at best a mediocre, one dimensional team. They lack skill position players on O an D and rely heavily on a good (not great) RB.

PSU coaches and players shit the bed, that is what happened. What happened to the draws, the misdirections, the option, the screens and the wheel routes???

This was NOT the PSU we’ve seen in 2008. This was the PSU of 2004, where we’d force the ball to Robinson in any number of positions. For the life of me I can’t imagine what the coaches where thinking with this game plan. Not a single member of this staff deserves to get paid this week. They all sucked on a biblical scale.

Big Ten title? It doesn’t feel right when we have to use a tie-breaker to claim it (the win over OSU).

by brd119 on Nov 8, 2008 10:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They lack skill position players on O an D and rely heavily on a good (not great) RB.

I assure you that’s an ignorant statement, though the very nature of your ignorance necessarily means you won’t listen to anything I tell you.

AKA Shadow

by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 9, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? Take the blinders off homer

There is not a single skill position player (outside of Green) who is going to make anyones All-Big Ten team. You are an average football team with average players who beat an overrated PSU team. Good win for you, horrible loss for us. Congrats and blow me.

by brd119 on Nov 9, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take

Mitch King over any other D tackle in the Big Ten. That guy is impressive.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately

their best skill players on O and D happen to be in the run game, which unfortunately was the game to be played in the cold, windy conditions on Saturday. Our only real advantage over them (the passing game) was neutralized, and they were able to exploit their running game, which is at least as good as ours, if not better, and their run D, which is also just about as good as ours. Throw in home field advantage, them getting fired up for this game, while our guys overlooked it, and you have 24-23 Iowa.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

boy

that kool-aid tasted delicious, a little watered down right now, but hey its the name of the game i guess. im kinda numb, but we did it to ourselves. 9 points from the red zone instead of 21, right there is the game. play calling was sub par, as goes the same with execution. we were sloppy, thats the bottom line. you can sit and bicker about the holdings, the P.I. call, and the crappy spots (believe me i already have). we really shouldn’t have been in the position to HAVE to complain about the calls. Here’s to getting our moxie back and finishing out this season, we’ve already exceeded expectations. lets take it to the Rose Bowl and show ’em what for.

For the glory

by lionalum05 on Nov 8, 2008 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure USC can score 30...

But they can score 10 against Cal through 3 1/2 quarters. Woo hoo.

Hey, maybe Oregon State can run the table. What a Rose Bowl matchup that would be.

by NittanyBadger on Nov 8, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

I think if we play USC we take out our frustration on them. Going into the Rose Bowl (and I’m getting ahead of myself again), all of the Mark Mays of the world will be dissing us up one side and down the other. It won’t taste as sweet as making them shut up after an MNC victory, but it’ll still taste delicious.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lose by 30?

Holy shit, you are unbelievably negative after we lost our first game of the season on the road by 1 point on a last-second field goal. Take a deep breath man.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 9, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Josh Hull the problem...

Or is the overly predictable and repetitive zone defense mixed with a 4 man pass rush?

My 2003 co-ed Intramural flag football team could move that ball on that defense.

Yo Bradley, man-up. And feel free to blitz.

by NittanyBadger on Nov 8, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hull over-runs plays, is out of position frequently

and can’t shed blocks. THink Gino Capone. But yes, he is just one part of the larger problem which is the scheme. We play zone, ALLLLL the time. Our boys have no idea how to play bump and run man coverage, which kills us late in games. 2005 at Michigan should be all the evidence needed to change some of the things we do. I’ve never been impressed with Bradley as a D. coord. Our scheme is very vanilla, and it simply relies on individual match ups favoring PSU. I could coordinate that

by brd119 on Nov 8, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The zone it was

like Michigan in ’05 when you knew they had to pass, and kept waiting for someone to jump a route and get an INT, but it never happens.

by Joe 96alum on Nov 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i seriously

hate the zone!!! in that close of a game it should be man all the way. our secondary should be on the receivers like white on rice. they play so far off the receivers that of course they are going to make those catches

by amandakt on Nov 9, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But There Was Still One Small Victory...

That “Greene-Out” / "Black-Out.

It paled in comparison to a 107,000 White-Out in Happy Valley.

Victory: Penn State.

by smashtheguitar on Nov 8, 2008 11:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's no consolation

but, things really wouldn’t have been any better if we get the 23-21 win. We would have gotten beaten up by that just as bad. Especially with the whomping TT just put on OK State. I think I’m almost a little more sane right now than I would have been had we gotten dicked over with a 12-0 record.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone still breating?

Want to make sure we didn’t have any casualties after this one…

It was a hard fought game on both sides, and Iowa did more when they needed to. I think most of the major points have been touched on – soft defense at times when we really didn’t need it, not taking advantage of early opportunities, questionable playcalling at times, and Clark’s worst performance this season.

I think one thing that is starting to kill us is our inability (or unwillingness – chicken/egg scenario) to blitz. The front 4 can only do so much every week. Combo that with our desire to drop 7 into a weak zone, and opposing receivers are finding the soft spots very easily right now.

On the offensive side, the O-Line had a roller coaster day. They started shitty, solidified during the middle half of the game, and then reverted to shitty. Dropped balls, missed opportunities, yadda yadda yadda.

Let me take nothing away from Iowa – played their game (mistakes and all), and took advantage of our shortcomings. At the end of the day, they had more points and that’s all that matters.

At the end of the day, we have to suck it up and move on. We have our choice of seasons (of recent memory) to replicate – one good (there was an Orange Bowl with that one) and one not as good (something about finishing 9-3). This is still a very good football team that has, to this point, outperformed the vast majority of expectations set out by anyone with an opinion. There is always the chance that one of the cogs doesn’t work one week – you just hope that the other pieces pick up enough to cover the lapse. Today, too much of the machine was broken. Make the repairs and move on to next week.

It may not be perfect, but it’s still been, and can end up being, a pretty damn impressive season. At the very least, we’ll have a few caged back-monkeys to take from this season.

by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My Silver Lining

Tech and Bama both won tough games today. Goind undefeated isn’t outrageous anymore for either. I think we’ll look back at this as a blessing, much like the UM loss in 2005.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Nov 9, 2008 12:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is no way bama goes undefeated

I watched that game, and had it not been for the worst qb I have seen in a long long long time, they (LSU) win that game by 2-3 touchdowns. The way I see it, there is no way Bama gets passed Florida. And if tech can get through OU in 2 weeks, they will go undefeated. I think we are lookin at Tech-Florida MNC match up.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 9, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TT

was extremely impressive last night. I think they are the best team in the nation. I hope they get the #1 spot.

Go Big 12….can we jump on your bandwagon to scale the Ivory Tower that the SEC lives in?

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame you

I am so sick of the ess eee see. (and Gary Danielson in particular) I watched the Bama-LSU game and it was not only one of the most boring games I have seen in a long time, but the two teams were both horrible. And if alabama is the best in the nation, then everyone else just sucks.

with all that said, I cannot believe that they are still #1 after last nights performance.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 9, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ESS EEE SEE

I was watching the sports reporters this morning and FINALLY Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe said that the ESS EEE SEE is not that good this year. They have two good teams and a bunch of mediocre or shitty teams.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He will be blackballed in the next 48 hrs

such blasphemy

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Went out

and had a few drinks. Had some fun. Got home and I’m still bummed. I’ll take the Rose Bowl as (hopefully) a fairly sweet consolation prize, but this one stings. After going into the season with cautiously optimistic expectations, I can’t complain too much — but shit. So close.

by Mr. Gerbik on Nov 9, 2008 12:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could blame something

I wish the refs put two more seconds on the clock. I wish Tom Osbourne was retiring. I wish M*rell* had been borderline retarded.

But none of those things happened, and we still lost. I think this one hurts more because it’s my fifth and final season as a student…I don’t know what to say or do. I hate this, especially since drinking hasn’t helped, and the Bills started sucking this year, so I don’t have them to rest on. Just once I wanted a shot at a MNC in my lifetime. And now I have to wait. This sucks.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 9, 2008 1:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Go back for a 6th year!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go Tommy Boy style

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Sadly, I’m outta here in a month and a half- my dad does not own a brake pad manufacturer

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 9, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The more and more

I see the PI call on Scrioitto the more and more I want to puke. It was an awful call that in the end led to a drive that cost us the game. Nevermind the missed blatant hold on Iowa. Yes, they won, yes the defense broke on the last drive. But it absolutely kills me watching Big Ten Officials SUCK ASS when PSU plays. The whiffed calls on holds 2 weeks ago vs OSU, this week on the PI and the blatant missed holds on Iowa. Just gives me that felling of 02 when Joe basically killed an official after the Iowa loss.

We should win the Big Ten outright, just sucks that the national title dreams went down the shitter with some pretty shitty calls.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 9, 2008 1:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh

and Mark May can f*cking suck it for his helmet sticker to Iowa’s kicker… what a f*cking douche.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 9, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1st and 2nd qtr

is when the game was lost……………….redzone offense terrible, you can’t settle for field goals. Someone had to get them “up” and punch it in, couldnt do it, iowa’s d was quite good, so props to them.

I am not going to begin to talk about the “other bowl” that we hope for.

focus number 1 = indiana

I say we score 80 on them to let out our frustrations

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 9, 2008 2:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I agree. The way PSU has played against decent teams this year they could definitely lose to MSU.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Nov 9, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? That's how it ends?

i know we should still be happy at the possibility of a rose bowl berth, but i cannot help but thinking that 24 hours ago we were 9 and 0. And today we are 9-1. It will take me a while to get over this one.

At one point, I flashed back to 1994 vs Illinois. I sat with my hands covering my eyes during that entire game. Only this time around, there was an awful outcome.

For the past several months I have been following all college football news religiously. Posting on blogs, laughing in the face of Mark F’ing May, and enjoying the season as it unfolded. Consider this week the beginning of my hiatus from all things college football in the media. I will still go to the games and cheer for State, but the pain of watching those “I told you so” analysts on ESPN makes me sick.

Consider me a sad jack, but unlike some of the above comments, I can’t get excited about a rose bowl berth. This season was so much more…

by peter3257 on Nov 9, 2008 3:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't give up.

Take the loss like a fan….it hurts at first, look back on it, and then put it all in perspective. Only 10 teams get to go to BCS bowls and we have a great shot at that.

Yeah, I sat silent for 30 minutes after the game, but I still am breathing and we still have a top 10 team and we still have a shot at a top 5 finish. We are getting looks from top recruits, so hopefully this is a trend that will continue as we continue to put top 10 and top 5 teams on the field in the future.

On a truly sad note, Joe did not look good at all today. I thought that was the worst he looked all season.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Injured Clark?

If the coaching staff were being to carefull with Clark in light of his recent concussion as you suggest, then he should not have played. He is a college student and doesn’t make enough money at this game to play with an injury. The first three plays of the game gave an indication that something wasn’t right with Clark. Play one, pass in the turf, play two pass overthrown, and play three it looked as if he forgot the play – sack and fumble. I hope when the dust settles that we learn that Clark was and is okay and the Iowa just beat PSU for other reasons.
Now what happens if the other undefeated teams lose and everyone is sitting around with one loss at the end of the season. That would be more fun to discuss. That is why the game of college football is sooooooooo much fun to watch and follow.

by IceLion on Nov 9, 2008 5:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think it should be noted...

at least dc faced the press after the worst game he could’ve played and took responsiblility for the loss, even though it wasn’t all his fault (drops, o-line, defense, play-calling)
I respect the hell out of that guy right now, compared to last year when the qb didn’t come out, whether it was his decision or the coaches’

that loss really sucked, if psu plays lilke that vs MSU they will lose again, forget the rose bowl

by psufan117 on Nov 9, 2008 6:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am still proud of Penn State, we still have a great team.

We have a great future ahead of us because this team is not about one player. We are going to end up in a great bowl and Clark will be back at the helm next year with alot of good players returning. Hopefully this is the first year of a new era.

I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?

by psu on Nov 9, 2008 7:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

going to go back and watch the game (it is certainly one to erase from the DVR) but my blame goes to the receivers. Sure Clark had a bad day but there were several passes that hit the receiver square in the hands/chest and were not caught. They make 1 or 2 of those plays late in the game and this one turns out much differently.

by PSiriUs on Nov 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Couple of ways to look at this...

Fortunately I was out to dinner with my girlfriend and her parents for the second half. Hence my sanity… But here are a couple of my thoughts.

1. We CANNOT blow up like the ’99 season and end up missing the Rose Bowl. That Minnesota game led to a 4-5 year odyssey which we have finally just about gotten over. If we win out we can still savor our return to the elite and lock up recruiting/respect.
2. A win over USC in the Rose Bowl would make me happier than a win over FlaSt in ’05.
3. Sean Lee is back next year.
4. So is Clark and our ridiculous RBs.
5. I put this season in the “over-achievement” column. How many teams could have put together a season like this with a first year starting QB, a d-corps that lost a host of starters including its captain, and a head coach in the coaches box?
6. Why does Ferentz pwn us like this? We are 0-3 vs. Iowa AFTER A BYE. Ridiculous.

by WarBird on Nov 9, 2008 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because Ferentz and co. are a better coaching staff

just look at the adjustments on Offense and Defense that were made at halftime, meanwhile the Paternos and Bradley continue to try the same tired shit.

by brd119 on Nov 9, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#3 is a huge point to make.

I can’t say how much Sean Lee means to this team and will mean next year.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn right

Hull may be a the greatest kid in the world but man have I missed Sean

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Put in Devlin

It’s been 2 straight games of Clark sucking, he has not performed against any top level teams.

Lots of bad, bad, bad decisions. He needed to take care of the ball, thats it….he didn’t do that.

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 9, 2008 9:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clark's Head

The QB was still hearing bells and should never have started the game. Worst of all, he couldn’t raise his head up, like a man, following the game and during interviews. Not a leader.

by ThirstNgoal on Nov 9, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

STOP BLAMING THE REFEREES.

I know it’s a horrible loss and we’re all searching for answers, but come on, people.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

With one exception

I’m still waiting for that intentional grounding call on Stanzi.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this somewhere else on here

Did we all miss something there?

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I watched it four times.

There was nobody in the area where Stanzi threw the ball. Nobody.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And

He was inside the tackles and it didn’t go past the line of scrimmage. It should have been intentional grounding.

Not that I’m whining about the officiating.

by BSD on Nov 9, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to beat on Barbaro

But also on the PI call there was a blatant hold on either their Right Tackle or Guard so if anything it should have been offsetting penalties replay 3rd & 15.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 9, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not whining...

about the officiating either…just that one line judge. the one guy blew the grounding call is the same one that threw the flag on the PI and spotted the ball another yrd farther than what it should have been…

so i only had a problem with the one guy…LOL

by amandakt on Nov 9, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mustache

did anyone notice that Clark grew a mustache? doesn’t he know you don’t grow a mustache after 9 wins? That is why Penn State lost the game my friends. Every sports fan knows about lucky socks and all of those things.

Mustache = Loss

"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno

by pslion on Nov 9, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My list of FAIL

1. Daryll Clark. Sorry, bro. You failed
2. Coverage in our secondary
3. Offensive play calling
4. Blitzes featuring Josh Hull
5. Dropped passes

Coaches tried to get too cute, it backfired. Coaches tried to blitz from the outside, none of them ever, ever got there. Coaches didn’t run any option (scared of DC’s head injury, I guess) in the red zone.

Things that win:
My bank account, as I don’t need to attend the BCS championship or stock up on every single item that has “PSU 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS” on it.

Thing that makes me happy:
We’re furious about a potential 1-loss season. I remember very recently where we’d be overjoyed with an 8-4 season. This is good in my book.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 9, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Additional list of FAIL

As OPS suggested above, third downs in the second half. The PSU defense failed in three 3rd-and-10+ situations in the second half — (1) the TD pass to DJK on which Wallace was burned, (2) the P.I. call against Scirrotto (like or not, he was there early), (3) 3rd and 10 on the Iowa 50 on the last drive, Stanzi to his tight end Myers. Nevermind PSU giving up another first down on the ensuing 3rd and 9. There was no pass rush to speak of, and our secondary isn’t good enough to hold up in that situation. They’re just not.

Look, I’ve had a bit of a suspicion that PSU has stayed undefeated through a combination of self-improvement and the remainder of the conference absolutely cratering. This is much more of a missed opportunity than an instance of a truly great Penn State team getting shafted.

by Run Up The Score on Nov 9, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Additional sources of FAIL

Um, did Quarless not want to play at all? His blocking was lazy and so was damn near everything else he did.

Clock management.

Finishing in the Red Zone.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 9, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

time outs at the end of the game

I really dont think you burn time outs with a minute left giving Iowa more plays to get closer, by the time we could take time outs, with 20 seconds left around the 20 yard line, it was too late, but to say that we should have used the TOs with a minute left and them at our 40 doesnt make sense to me.

by JoePaPa on Nov 9, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your list of Fail is highly selective.

There was a lot of blame to go around.

O line, no pass protection which has something to do with your number 1 along wth the wind.

Lack of any pressure on the Iowa QB which has something to do with number 2. Other than Odrick, the D line didnt show up. Navarro Bowman is a star, but he was invisible – his worst game of the season I thought. Scirotto played a bad game. Rubin, did he play? Offensively, other than Williams and Royster, I didnt think anyone played a good game really. Qualrless was terrible. 2 for 2 in drops and a bad missed block on the golaline. Norwood and Butler, invisible.

Face it, they got whipped.

It’s always play calling when your O line is gettign beat, nothing works. You dont win by trickery.

Honestly, they look like they didnt want to play in the win and the cold. They werent ready to play which is hard to beleive considering the stakes.

by tr88 on Nov 9, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paterno Post Game

I think the most heart breaking thing about this loss is seeing and hearing it in Joe in his post game press conference. There is a sense that he knows it is over. This was the last chance in his career to go to the National Championship. I hate knowing he was this close but is coming up short. He deserved another shot.
  Yes we have great talent coming back, but we are losing better talent.
  Does anyone think we will come this close gain anytime soon? With Joe as head coach? Does this make his decision for him?
This sucks

"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno

by pslion on Nov 9, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Paterno

I got the same sense that Paterno is taking this likely last shot hard emotionally. The guys on ESPN after the game attributed it to failing health, but I don’t think that’s it. I think his demeanor over the last few weeks reflected that he thought he was going to the MNC this year.

by Nittany Lawyer on Nov 9, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Time will add perspective

I am hoping that time will put yesterday into better perspective. We must realize that we still have a good bunch of kids that will fight their way to end a season with sucess past even most of our greatest expectations. We must support Coach Paterno for however long we are truly priveledged to have him lead our program. We must look past X’s and O’s to recognize a half century of his acheivements that will never be duplicated at a university that we obviously care deeply about.

That being said it still hurts.

by Oscar68 on Nov 9, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what went wrong?

I think they avoided the running game at critical times. In the fourth quarter they started throwing the ball again even though it wasn’t helping. Royster, Williams, and Green were pretty much running when they wanted to and the coaching staff got away from that when all they really needed was another nice long drive that took time off the clock.

But oh well. Win out and play USC in the Rose Bowl.

by gman2797 on Nov 9, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Threepeat

Joepa’s love affair with the field goal has cost him yet another road victory. Someone really should help him with the math. Three is not equal to seven, and you have to kick three of those darn things to overcome one of the other ones. Why does everyone else understand this? When you’re in the red zone, a field goal represents a FAILURE to do what you got there to do. Just think of how many games that Penn State was able to dominate the line of scrimmage, own the time of possession and offensive stats, but kept kicking those ($@%& field goals and allowing a team to hang around long enough to find a way to beat us. It’s too depressing to think about it today. My head hurts.

by cmc59 on Nov 9, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

O-line terrible in both games

You can’t blame Clark for a poor blocking job by the O-line. There were numerous plays that showed an O-linemen helping Clark off the ground and then hitting his own chest referenceing “my bad”. And its also the reason Royster couldn’t get in the endzone when we had to kick 3 field goals.

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 9, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Big Ten Championship

It’s an age old saying:

You win as a team
You lose as a team

Two things stand out from yesterday. Clark looked completely ineffective;you have to wonder if the injury he suffered last week was worse that reported. Is there a bye week scheduled for next year ? If so, schedule The Little Sisters of the Poor University; anything to avoid a layoff.

If we beat Indiana and smack Sparty in the mouth we win the Big Ten Championship.

That’s something to play for.

Reg4

by Regulator4 on Nov 9, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A couple additional points...

1. I really think this loss hurt Joe about as much as any in his career.

2. What is the deal with AJ Wallace? Is he still hurt or just not any good?

3. I thought PSU should have gone for 2 after their last TD to make it a 24-14 game. I understand that if you don’t get it, you are only up by 8, but i thought it with the ways we were using D-Will we could have had alot of success on a 2 point play.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good question...

where is Wallace??? AND… how do you not involve a Chaz Powell in this game?

by Bstoner52 on Nov 9, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were a coach, which I'm not

I would have spent my off-week working on correcting offensive issues exposed by Ohio State. I would not have spent my off-week working on gimmick plays with Derrick Williams at QB. I have never been a fan of this formation, especially when you are replacing a QB who already has the threat of run in his arsenal.

It appears to me that teams are slowly drifting back to the steadfast strategy in stopping Penn State’s offense: stop the run and take away the deep ball. In addition, added to this strategy recently is the blitz on all passing downs idea. The way to destroy this strategy is to complete passes over the middle. I think Iowa was greatly aided by the wind, which took away our deep ball, so all they had to do was dare us to throw over the middle, which we attempted, but were unsuccessfull.

by cpm126 on Nov 9, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget, if Oregon State wins out, we get to trample them again in the Rose Bowl

by PSUMBBtrumpet on Nov 9, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rose Bowl

Are we absolutely tied to the Rose bowl? Can the BCS allow PSU to be in the Fiesta or Orange?

"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno

by pslion on Nov 9, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is possible

Obviously since we played the Orange Bowl in 05. If we win out, and OSU wins out, we tie them for the Big Ten Championship. There is no head to head tie breaker, ……..remember 05 we tied OSU for the BiG Ten even though we beat them, but they beat michigan, and we didnt, etc.

So there is a chance even if we get a share of the Big Ten, we may not get the Rose Bowl, or both us and OSU could get a BCS Bid

by MrBrianPSU on Nov 9, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was different

In 2005 the Rose Bowl hosted the National Championship game, so they had to take USC and Texas. There was no fifth BCS game so the Rose Bowl had no choice. The Big Ten champ will get an invite to the Rose Bowl. If we are tied with OSU at 7-1 we will go to the Rose Bowl because we hold the tie-breaker with our head-to-head win.

by BSD on Nov 9, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AP

AP poll we are #7

by 1982 on Nov 9, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right behind USC

…we are also behind Utah in the Coaches Poll. I think we are #8 in the Coaches.

The same Utah team that whooped scUM by 3 points.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stewart Mandel on how the game affected the Big 10

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/the_sweep/posts/21761

Thoughts?

"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson

by phishead_psu on Nov 9, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybin has serious hops...

…take a look how high he got in the FG block….wow! I thought I saw someone get up pretty high during that kick.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Nov 9, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Darryl Clark the running quarterback

DC has had a great season up until this game so I’m not going to be too hard on him.

Others have suggested that he is still feeling the effects from the hit in the Ohio State game, I really doubt that he is having any physical after effects, I wonder whether it is mental.

He looked hesitant to run. And I think the reason we had Williams playing quarterback for the option plays that we kept on running was not to be gimmicky, but to protect Darryl.

by JoePaPa on Nov 9, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree

Clark looked straight up rattled for at the beginning of the 1st quarter, especially after he was pressured hard on the 1st few plays

"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson

by phishead_psu on Nov 9, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tough day

Heart ripped out by penn state, went to watch the pens beat the isles, and then came home to have my heart ripped out by my now ex gf after three years……damn

by farrellpsu on Nov 9, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

she couldn't wait like even 12 hours?

damn, women need to learn to pick their spots better

"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson

by phishead_psu on Nov 9, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your Ex-Girlfriend

Sounds not only not hot, but cold. A cold-hearted beeatch.

Your next girlfriend sounds super hot. And super cool.

Keep ya head up, Farrell and Lions fans.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Nov 9, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

brutal

Its been a long two weeks but kinda came to fruition last night……thats what happens when you date 22 yr olds

by farrellpsu on Nov 9, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

You’re imaginary 22-yr old girlfriend sounds hot.

by BSD on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

22 yr olds

don’t quite have the perspective on life…at least none of the ones I’ve met.

My particular 22 yr old gf keeps seriously wondering why I don’t treat her like all the guys in movies and fairy tales treat the girls. I have to remind her that I’m not imaginary.

My other favorite passtime of hers is when she cites examples of her friends’ boyfriends’ doing something over the top romantic for the girl. I point out that they’ve only been together a month or 2, and they’re still in the “honeymoon” period, and ask her to bring up that boyfriend when the couple breaks up in a few months (which they inevitably have done).

Not to say that there’s no room for romance and all that, but it seems the “youngins” expect every day to be a Disney movie.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Women don’t really get over that until they turn 30 or have kids.

by BSD on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa

I heard from two Pitt Fans last night. They could not be more pleased. All I heard was Pitt beat Iowa, Iowa beat Penn State.

We always choke.

by Lion Heart on Nov 9, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pitt fans

‘Nuff said. They’re not even going to win the worst BCS conference. They lost to a MAC team. They allowed Rutgers to look like an offensive juggernaut.

Pitt fans are just a sad group of people, and you’ll be best served ignoring them. Eventually they’ll go back to remembering they’re merely the 2nd best team in the state.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Third best

don’t forget about Temple!

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt Fans

Hear ya, this is what hurst the most. Iowa beat:
Florida International
Iowa State
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Penn State
Lost to:
Pittsburgh
Michigan State
Indiana
Illinois

We had better run the table.

by Lion Heart on Nov 9, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What happened?

Twenty-two 19-22 boys/men played a bad game. Maybe they weren’t focused, maybe they were rusty, maybe they cracked under the pressure, maybe they were cold, maybe Iowa was pretty good. I was there, right by where the players walked off the field. I could see tears in Maurice Evans eyes. I don’t like a lot of things Colin Cowherd says, but he talks a lot about how college football fans have a hard time keeping in perspective the fact that these are 18-22 year old kids whose emotions fluctuate all over the place, have limited time to practice, and have class to worry about. Winning a national title in college football is freaking hard. Yeah, okay we shouldn’t have lost to Iowa. Clark was awful. The defense made Ricky Stanzi look like Joe Montana. It sucks. And it really sucked being there. But, we are still in the driver’s seat for the Big Ten title and the Rose Bowl. We should contend for the same next year too.

My freshman year was 1998. These last 4 years have been so, so much better than everything from the Minnesota game my sophomore year through 2004. When I think about it that way, the fact that this loss hurts as bad as it does is a good thing.

by speedomike on Nov 9, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I have ALWAYS been optimistic

pretty much to a fault when it comes to PSU football. And I didn’t even realize it before, but still had a little bit of the kool-aid left and so I took a sip of it and started having these hallucinations.

And one of the visions I had was about this team, last year, that went 10-0 before they lost their first game. Some weird things happened in the weeks that followed and they still ended up playing for a national championship.

This is college football, after all. Strange stuff happens in college football. When Illinois beat Ohio State in their next to last game of the season last year, I’m pretty sure the “experts” used the phrase “and their hopes to play in another national championship game . . . crushed” in some of their analysis.

Just sayin’.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 9, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's always a chance

Everyone held their nose when Ohio State sneaked back into the championship game last year. They weren’t thrilled, but they said, “Ok. We’ll give them another shot.” Then they got destroyed for the second year in a row. Now the voters are saying, “We won’t get fooled again.”

Penn State will be at the bottom of the list of one loss teams to make the national championship game. In order for us to make it we’ll need Alabama or Texas Tech to lose twice and Florida, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma to all lose another game. Even then the voters might decide to give Utah or Boise State a shot over us. Not saying it can’t happen, but the odds are nearly impossible.

by BSD on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And let's not forget, tOSU lost to the #2 team in the Big Ten

not to the #6 team in the conference. Our NCG hopes are gone. This team better get it’s shit together and focus on the next 2 games. All this talk about the Rose bowl is making me sick. Have we learned NOTHING?
Everyone was looking ahead to the NCG, talking about how we deserve to be there, we would be undefeated, yadda yadda yadda. Now we lose a game, and everyone is saying, “Well, we get to stomp USC in the Rose Bowl.”

NEWS FLASH…we still have 2 games left, one of which is against a very good ranked team that also beat us last year. Let’s worry about a bowl game once we get through these next 2 games.

At this point, the Rose Bowl is no consolation because WE ARE NOT IN THE ROSE BOWL YET! There’s still a lot of football left to be played this season.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 10, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate it when you make sense

If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

by TheMightyErik on Nov 11, 2008 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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