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How do you Beat Penn State? Here's how to beat SC.

Hi guys.  Big SC fan here.  I'm going to go out on a limb and assume we beat UCLA this weekend and end up playing you guys in the Rose Bowl.  While I must admit that I, along with many other SC fans, was rooting for Oregon State to win last weekend so that we could play in the Fiesta against Texas or perhaps an SEC team, I still think the Rose Bowl will be an awesome game between two well matched teams.  While it's true that if SC wins, the national media will probably not give SC much credit for beating another Big Ten team, I won't let that fact temper my enthusiam for this game.     

With that said, I look forward to some great banter between our two fan groups over the next several weeks leading up to the big game.  My question for you guys is this: What do you perceive to be your teams biggest weaknesses, and what gameplan should SC employ to exploit those weaknesses and win the game?

I'll go first and give you this one fan's opinion on how to beat SC.  I've dissected every game SC has played this year (as well as the last ten years) so I would hope I some insight on the subject.  Let's start with the big one, How to beat SC's defense.  Well, I'll tell you, it won't be easy.  SC leads the nation in just about every significant defensive statistic and by a good margin at that.  Then again stats can be misleading and don't always give a complete picture.

In my opinion SC's greatest asset on defense is that the entire defense is composed of outright athletic freaks.  These are big strong fellas who are amazingly quick for their size.  The starting linebackers (Cushing, Maualuga, Maiava) are arguably the best groups of LBs in the history of SC.  (and please although Big Rey is a walking highlight, overall Brian Cushing is easily our best linebacker.  Dont' let anyone tell you otherwise).

All that said, despite all their physical prowess, this SC defense is not always the most disciplined group.  In their zealous pursuit of a ESPN top ten highlights, they have a tendency to commit bonehead penalties.  And I mean a lot of them.  I haven't looked it up but I'm almost certain that SC was the most penalized team in the Pac Ten this year.  And this isn't a recent trend either.  We've been one of the most penalized teams in the Pac-10 over the last several years.  If SC's comes out a little too loose on Jan 1st and starts making a lot of mistakes, then it will go a long way towards neutralizing their stout D.

So how does one attack the SC defense?  Well, for starters don't run the ball against them.  It's just not a good idea.  However if you must, then never EVER try to run the ball around the edges or corners.  The LBS and secondary are simply way too fast and shut almost everything down around the edges.  If you're going to run it, run it up the gut every time.  When the defense has struggled this year (ie that horrible game in Corvallis) it's been against quick shifty backs who shoot the gaps up the middle.  If Penn State can establish a rhythm in their running game where they're gaining 5, 6 yards at a time, up the middle with a decent consistency, then their chances for success increase exponentially. 

How about in the passing game?  Carroll's basic defensive philosophy is to take away the the home run plays from the opposition by playing a soft zone coverage most of the time.  Although he certainly has the personnel to play shut down man to man, he just doesn't most of the time.  What that means is that the quick slant routes are there for a good QB who can read the defense and get rid of the ball before the inevitable blitzes come.  I'm actually really surprised that more teams throughout the year didn't attack SC on this front.  SC has phenominal defensive passing statistics but that's partly the product of not playing many teams that consistently attacked their secondary as well it being a down year for QBs in the Pac-Ten.  So as far as passing goes, the dink and dunk is definitely the way to go against SC.  (Also just as a word to the wise, Penn State would be wise not to try too many deep passes against the SC secondary.  Taylor Mays the free safety, is probably the biggest athletic freak of them all and lately has just been blowing people up.  Just a word of caution if you value the well-being of your WRs).      

Anyway, this is just a springboard to get some good analysis going and this is just one fan's opinion, albeit a little oversimplified.  Anyway, since I didn't get to watch many Penn State games this year, I'd love to hear more about your teams weaknesses and what not.  Take it easy.

 

 

 

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So basically what you're saying is that

PSU and USC have freakishly similar strengths and weaknesses. At one point I forgot you were talking about USC (“basic defensive philosophy is to take away the the home run plays from the opposition by playing a soft zone coverage most of the time”) Yeah, we complain about that every week.

Basically both teams match up very similarly, in an earie way. We’re both even starting walk-on LB"s. We both play a zone scheme that relies on rushing 4 and blitzing LB occasionally. Neither seems to go man-to-man very often despite having the athletes to do so.

In fact I believe the main difference between the defenses is that PSU doesn’t quite have the athletes that USC does, but the defense is slightly better coached and more disciplined. Kind of a trade-off.

On offense, again, we are very similar. Great, physical, mean offensive lines. Great core of RB’s that feature speed and vision. Both our QB’s play with a ton of heart and emotion — to the degree that mistakes aren’t quickly forgotten; both our QB’s seem to let mistakes linger too much (I heard them say that about Sanchez during the ND game, it fits Clark to the T as well).

When you have a matchup as even as this, it’s all about coaching and discipline. Who ever has the better gameplan will win this one.

by millzners on Dec 1, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Running the Ball
So how does one attack the SC defense? Well, for starters don’t run the ball against them. It’s just not a good idea.

I guess Oregon State’s Jacquizz Rodgers didn’t get that memo when the 5’7" true freshman ran for 186 yards on that defense. We actually have a shifty back that is bigger and faster than Quizz.

You have to love athletic freaks…did you know that Mark Rubin beat Michael Phelps in a race when they were 12? Talk about athletic freak…

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Dec 2, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's right about the running thing.

Oregon State just lined up and went at the USC defense, with great results. Lots of straight ahead rushing plays.

by Run Up The Score on Dec 2, 2008 10:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Royster because of that.

There won’t be holes against USC, but there will be creases. Royster is the best back we’ve had in years at making the most out of a little crease here and there. A 4-yard gain from a 1-yard hole. If he can maintain that approach and let his vision and toughness get the extra couple yards, that will be ginormous for us on New Year’s. I haven’t seen anyone besides Jacquizz Rodgers run against USC this year, but I’d bet Royster is the kind of back that would give them a lot of trouble.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 2, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, Stanford

They ran for 202 yards on USC two weeks ago and the Cardinal were in it until the 4th quarter.

I know they haven’t played UCLA yet, but let’s look at the rushing offenses that play USC:

Rushing Offenses of USC Opponents
Oregon 4th out of 117 FBS teams
Stanford 23
Ohio State 28
Arizona 41
Oregon State 48
Cal 50
Notre Dame 98
Washington 107
Virginia 109
Washington St. 111
Arizona State 113
UCLA 116

Average Rushing Offense of all 12 teams: 71
Average Rushing Offense of bottom 6 teams: 109!

Let’s break it down further:
USC did shut down Oregon, but UO played with a third-string QB against USC, so the Trojans could just key on a highly one-dimensional offense. PSU equivalent: Wisconsin

USC beat Ohio State without Beanie Wells, and Stanford and Oregon State have already been mentioned. For reference:

Rushing Offenses of PSU Opponents
Wisconin 14th out of 117 FBS teams
Ohio State 28
Iowa 29
Illinois 39
Indiana 45
Oregon State 48
Syracuse 57
Michigan 60
Michigan State 66 (surprising, no?)
Purdue 86
Temple 110

Average Rushing Offense of all 12 teams: 52
Average Rushing Offense of bottom 6 teams: 71

USC’s run defense ranks 6th nationally, PSU’s ranks 9th. Don’t get me wrong, I think USC has an incredible run defense, I don’t think it is all-time great. Royster and Green should find holes in the middle like they usually do.

by Cairo on Dec 2, 2008 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To summarize:

do not pass the ball
do not run outside
only run up the middle
USC is a team of athletic freaks.

Here’s what you need to beat us: A cold, blustery night game in Iowa with a concussed QB – so things aren’t looking so good for SC in the Rose Bowl.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you forgot

Big Ten refs.. and the puckered play calling that we tend to have on the road, but, not in bowls

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Dec 2, 2008 10:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Athletic Freaks don't scare me

Everyone said we wouldn’t be able to compete against athletic freaks when we played FSU in 2005 and Tennessee in 2006. We beat them both. I don’t care how fast you are. If you’re not prepared and out of position you’re going to lose.

Petey is a great recruiter, but he isn’t a great football coach. He was a failure in the NFL. On the college level he has succeeded only because he can recruit superior talent at a glitzy school in a weak conference. Put him at a school like Minnesota and he’s middle of the road.

If USC has problems with teams that can pound up the middle, then USC is in for a long day. Evan Royster and the offensive line are more than capable of exploiting that. I think our defense will hold their own against the USC offense which isn’t as great as past years. And if USC shoots themselves in the foot with dumb penalties and turnovers the Nittany Lions are capable of capitalizing on it.

by BSD on Dec 2, 2008 10:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I agree

Guys that are capable of running 100mph, are capable of running 100mph in the wrong direction.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 2, 2008 12:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AQ

eats athletic freaks for lunch and Project Mayhem eats 5* recruits for dinner

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Dec 2, 2008 11:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weaknesses? Penn State has no weaknesses!

Penn State fans, on the other hand, have a weakness for cold Yuengling.

Go State, beat USC!

by NJ lion on Dec 2, 2008 11:07 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely right

guilty as charged

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Dec 2, 2008 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pasedena beer?

Are we going to be able to get cold Yuengling in Pasedena? I don’t think you can carry that on a plane…

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 2, 2008 5:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunitely

I’ve never seen any out in LA. Plenty of Rolling Rock….although it is made in St. Louis now :(

by whiteoutonly on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can check it...

There’s nothing wrong with a separate bag just for the Yuengling. Ive brought some homebrew home to Mn that way.

Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Traped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.

by bconway6 on Dec 3, 2008 12:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, you can check it, and pray it doesn't get broken

as I mentioned in a previous thread, I was probably the last person to carry on a case of Yuengling, since I did it either the Sunday or Monday before the liquids ban started (I forget when exactly that started, but I do remember doing it just a few days beforehand)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 3, 2008 7:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both USC and Penn State

got by the most amazing athlete of all time in Lauinitis. I believe that should put us at #1 and #2 in offense rankings in the country.

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How to beat PSU

Well first of all don’t run the ball….PERIOD…ask a few of these guys how PSU’s run defense is…Chris Well, Javon Ringer, PJ Hill, and Juice Williams how easy it is to run against our front 7….

Secondly Don’t throw the ball over the middle or Scirrotto will light you up…I mean the dude is tough, he use to be a boxer and if he does get in trouble he has no problem calling some freinds to lay the smack down…

so basically stick to short out patterns and you shouldn’t have a problem

hope that helps

by Lion Alum on Dec 2, 2008 11:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scirrotto used to be a boxer?

I heard he was a 4th round pick in the MLB draft out of high school. Is any of this true? If so, he’s like Tom Zbikowski and Jeff Samardiza all rolled into one badass WR-killer.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 2, 2008 1:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok ok

you caught me…I just wanted him to sound tough

and yes my pants are on fire…does any one know how to get burn marks out of kahki

by Lion Alum on Dec 2, 2008 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Penn State analysis

USC is highly penalized. Penn State is only second to Ball State in fewest penalties. That has helped us a lot. Penn State also commits very few turnovers. In a word, we are disciplined.

I know this article isn’t about this year’s team, but it is a good read and is eerily similar to the situation we are in now. ESPN e-Ticket: The Night College Football Went to Hell

If you guys trully have trouble stopping a shifty runner who gains massive yardage up the middle…well then you do not want to play against Penn State’s O-line and Evan Royster. his stat’s don’t look all that impressive as far as total yards go, and his YPC dropped significantly over the last few games, but he is great at being a shifty back. On that note: prepare to hear that he got offers to play lacrosse at James Madison, but chose football at Penn State instead. The over/under of announcers saying that each game is usually set around 2-3, and usually towards the end of the first quarter.

Our defensive style is comparable to yours, and I also was sometimes wondering what team you were really talking about ;-) We call it the “Bend but don’t suck” offense. We’re hoping RUTS comes up with a shirt ;-) With that said, our secondary has been fairly solid this year, but it usually seems like they’re overachieving, and they have been known to give up a few big plays on blown zone coverage. The other place to attack is to run up the middle. If you can get past our D-line, then expect to get a few more yards as Josh Hull tries to take you down. Also don’t expect much blitzing up the middle by him. Basically I’m saying our MLB position is our biggest D weakness (if only Sean Lee wasn’t out for the season!).

Offensively, to stop us your best bet is to get Clark to make a mistake early, or perhaps if you can just get into his head or knock him around a bit early (rattle him up, but don’t knock him out of the game). When that’s happened, he seems to fold like a house of cards and makes even more and more mistakes. If you do knock him out of the game, though, don’t expect some weak backup to come in. Devlin is every bit as good as Clark is, and is a much bigger deep ball threat. He can also run, but hasn’t shown the “power” running that Clark on occasion has shown (but neither match up to a real “running” QB).

Our passing game usually consists of a lot of dink and dunk passes. We haven’t really gone for the deep ball that much, even when we have superior matchups for our WRs. It has been slightly frustrating, but I guess our strategy hasn’t really failed, so why change it?

Of our receivers, Norwood and Butler have amazing hands. Your best bet against them is to tip the pass completely away from them. They also like to make great acrobatic plays, so again, keep the ball away from them. Williams is our “home run threat” but his hands aren’t quite as good. We also never seem to hit any receivers in stride, so I wonder if you really need to prevent home run plays against them, since they always tackle themselves on the catch. Also regarding Williams, we like to use him a lot in misdirection. We’ll line him up in the backfield, which pretty much means he’s getting the ball back there. Usually it is a run, occasionally a pass (he was a QB in highschool). For some reason defenses haven’t been able to stop that play, but I imagine USC will have the talented athletes to do so.

If you guys have us on a third and short situation, and we line Stephon Green up in the backfield, then expect him to run it up the middle. Don’t ask us why. He is a speedy north-south runner, but doesn’t have the patience for a hole to open up and always runs into the line. He is great to the outside, but we rarelyutilize him like that.

On special teams: kick away from Williams.

So that’s pretty much the gameplan against Penn State. We have the players and discipline to beat any team in the country, but we also have our weaknesses.

Oh, and I think the biggest thing USC can do to beat Penn State is to not get all cocky and underestimate this team. I know I am a homer, and so obviously favor Penn State, but this is one of the best teams I’ve ever watched play. They execute their plays well, even against good defenses. They make very few mistakes.

We are obviously hoping that USC goes into the game just assuming they’ll win without having to really try or prepare. That will make winning for us all that much easier. If USC prepares for us like they are the underdog, then USC will probably win just based on athletic talent alone, combined with that preparation. These teams do look very well matched up, though, and if you look at all the statistical categories (which you pointed out can be misleading) then Penn State is usually right there with them.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was John Hopkins that offerred him a LAX scholarship....

just wanted to clear that up as I went to James Madison and our only claim to fame is a 2004-05 Football National Championship ……..I-AA that is. . .

"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler

by Stately NOVA Lion on Dec 2, 2008 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, sorry

I knew it was Johns Hopkins, but I was just looking at Elihu’s BCS spreadsheet and had James Madison on the brain :-p

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2008 2:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i figured it was a typo....

but thanks for the mention!!!

GO DUKES!!!!!!!!!!

"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler

by Stately NOVA Lion on Dec 2, 2008 3:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

soft zone

That would be much better than man to man pressure. Our small receivers are great at getting into the openings in a soft secondary, not so good when pressured on the line. There are similarities in Rogers and Royster that make me think we will do well running up the middle while your linebackers are off flexing for the cheerleaders.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Dec 2, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Cheerleaders... Song Girls

USC is above such contrivances as cheerleaders.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Dec 2, 2008 11:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How to win any game

Control the line of scrimmage. PSU’s offense won’t do much if the USC front 4 consistently gets penetration and frees up linebackers. It’s as simple as that for the PSU offense and USC defense. If PSU’s line can hold its own, Royster will be getting 5-6 yards per carry and Clark will be hitting Norwood and Butler for 8-12 yard gains on 1st and 2nd down. PSU doesn’t have a real vertical passing offense and tends to run between the tackles, which is probably the best approach against an athletic team. A few counters and misdirection plays may help to neutralize the speed if USC starts over-pursuing.

As far as attacking PSU’s defense, aside from keeping Maybin, Evans and Odrick out of the backfield, the key will be attacking the secondary. They play a soft zone most of the time, which leaves a lot of high percentage passes for moderate gains wide open. If USC gets the ground game going a bit, the safeties will play run first. The secondary has given up some big plays on blown coverages this way. Safeties come inside, corner releases receiver to the next level, next thing you know there’s a receiver on a corner route wide open.

by gcdyersb on Dec 2, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

consistent penetration

sounds hot

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Dec 2, 2008 2:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bravo, Sir!

Thanks for making my day.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Dec 2, 2008 2:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny you should menion it

My girlfriend hears “penetration” and “tight end” out of context and tells me that football sounds dirty.

Waiting for the obligatory reply ….

by gcdyersb on Dec 3, 2008 2:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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