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Devon Smith's got the need....

The need for speed!

So our pint sized speedster, Devon Smith is playing in the Crab Bowl with the best of the best in Maryland.  They held a variety of competitions including the speed competition.

Well it looks like we got a fast one!  Smith ran a 4.19 forty.  I believe that is the number that Stefon Green would like to reach.

Can't wait to see a reverse or bubble screen with that speed.

Devon Smith is faster than you.

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That's awesome

Unfortunately, he’s only 155 lbs. So when he breaks free and the crowd erupts the shock wave will knock him over.

by BSD on Dec 19, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rumor has it...

that Brandon Ware and Devon Smith are not allowed to eat lunch at the same time…just incase.

Get in my belly

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Dec 19, 2008 12:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Holliday and Demps are little, too

Holliday was 5-7 and 160 when he went to LSU. Demps was 5-10 and 180. If Smith has close to the speed of Holliday, he should be a very good return man at the very least. He’s significantly smaller than Demps, though, so his upside as even a decently sized might mite is probably limited.

If he has any agility or elusiveness with that speed, he should turn into a guy who is helpful at least 10 or 15 plays per game between returns and designed plays. Small guys like that can be especially good going across the middle assuming the QB doesn’t hang him out to dry and he knows how to avoid getting mauled by a 260 pound linebacker.

by gcdyersb on Dec 19, 2008 12:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At some point wouldn't

he just run fast enough that he would phase right through tacklers.

pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.

by rahpsu92 on Dec 19, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4.19.... you have got to be kidding me

That is just wicked fast on any level. The only thing I know that goes that fast is my paycheck at this time of the year. I can see it now…. OMG BIIIIIIIGGGGG 10 SPEEEEEED… yeah right… lol

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 19, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quark!

I think Devon Smith falls into this category.
Stephfon Green might, too.

All hail the Quarkback!

WE ARE...

by dmoney350z on Dec 19, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quark!

I think Devon Smith falls into this category.
Stephfon Green might, too.

All hail the Quarkback!

WE ARE...

by dmoney350z on Dec 19, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quark!

I think Devon Smith falls into this category.
Stephfon Green might, too.

All hail the Quarkback!

WE ARE...

by dmoney350z on Dec 19, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uhhh...

…try again dmoney…

" We need MORE cowbell !"

by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 19, 2008 2:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he actually

went back in time and typed the message again and again.

pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.

by rahpsu92 on Dec 19, 2008 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And..........

he actually smiled for his profile picture on scout.com.

Reminds me of the line in family guy when Peter finds out one of his ancestors was black………..he said………….“I don’t know anything about black………except for the part about not smiling when I have my picture taken”.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought they were the same dude

and still would have if you hadn’t Id’d the ink blemished guy as Lil Wayne. Is that facial hair or a beard tat?

pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.

by rahpsu92 on Dec 19, 2008 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never gotten a tattoo

but, wouldn’t an adam’s apple tattoo be extremely painful, not to mention the neck tattoo period?

PS, is that a penis tattooed in between his eyebrows?

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 20, 2008 5:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm more excited about Green

Green has the balance and toughness to take a hit from a bigger player and keep his feet moving.

One of the things that will make Green so special is that unlike Williams he can get knocked around during his returns and keep churning. He’s got that pinball quality to him where not only is he really fast he’s got a low center of gravity and great feet.

Green will be a great PSU RB, and next season he’ll also be a great return man too, probably better than Williams…

by millzners on Dec 19, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep in mind

The article doesn’t mention whether this was hand-timed or electronically timed, and even if it was, I doubt it was IAAF-quality FAT timing. There’s no reason to do it for a silly head-to-head race tournament, and as a result the statement “Devon Smith is slightly faster than Caleb Porzel” is probably way closer to truth than “Devon Smith runs a 4.19 40” or “Devon Smith is .01 seconds slower than a peak Deion Sanders and could probably hang with Darrell Green”, though ostensibly from the numbers available on the Internet both could be true.

Actual 40 yd times below 4.4 seconds are pretty much always fake, fake, fake. Doubly so because they are great attention grabbing devices for advertising combines and all-star games. Though the IAAF doesn’t keep a record for 40-yard dash times, the last time I checked Ben Johnson had the fastest cold-start 40 yard dash (en-route to 100m) calculated at 4.38 seconds. And Ben Johnson was the world’s fastest sprinter at the time, starting from blocks on a Mondo surface in the most technologically advanced shoes and speedsuit available, in what was probably excellent weather, with an absurd amount of illegal anabolic steroids flowing through his system.

Also, the Wikipedia page on the 40-yard dash is shit. Maybe that serves as excellent commentary on the general public’s understanding of sprint timing. The takeaway from this article is that Devon Smith is most likely the fastest high school football player in Maryland; 40 yard dash times are a terrible absolute metric at the high school level and you’d be a fool to draw conclusions based on them.

by gumbercules on Dec 19, 2008 5:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No lie, huh? lol

It’s cool. Let’s just agree to say that he is fast

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 19, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zug once ran 60 meters in -1.2 seconds, however it wasn’t IAAF-quality FAT timing because he actually went back in time. Fortunately when he got there he had sex with Joe Paterno’s grandmother and invented Penicillin before returning to the present. The resulting birth of Joe’s father and about 10,000,000 lives saved were a consolation for the non-IAAF time.

by millzners on Dec 20, 2008 10:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOO Debbie Downer!

Don’t be jealous just because Devon Smith is faster than you!

by BSD on Dec 19, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

I actually almost lead off that comment with the line, “I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but..”

by gumbercules on Dec 19, 2008 5:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he ran the 40

in full pads…what would the time be, hand held or electronic, if he didn’t have the pads on…and he smoked the kids he raced

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Dec 19, 2008 6:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a track? With a gun start?

4.60 is my guess. 4.35 if he chooses when to start instead of the gun, which is how the NFL likes to do it, but then you get into bullcrap head-start territory with people who rock backwards or have longer arms who are good at keeping their hands on the sensor just ever-so-slightly longer during that first step. I’m all about stretching the limits of the human body, but dude, who believes he ran a 4.19 in full pads? If this is true, then forget football, he should be on the US national team running the 60m at the world indoor championships. We desperately need good sprinters.

by gumbercules on Dec 19, 2008 6:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can't really be all that fast

He’s going to a Big10 school.
Probably was a strong tailwind and he was running downhill.
I’m sure an SEC kid could beat him running backwards.

by NJ lion on Dec 19, 2008 7:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sure an SEC kid could beat him running backwards.

In the morbid realm of OBVIOUSLY FAKE 40 times, Deion Sanders was supposedly “clocked” at a 4.57 40 running backwards. So not only the SEC, but even the Big East/ACC could produce a faster backwards runner than the pathetic Big Ten players can run forwards. :)

by gumbercules on Dec 19, 2008 7:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Devils Advocate........

he’s short. He doesn’t have the ramp up time to get up to full speed like guys 6 inches taller than he is do.

I don’t buy the time either, but I used to smoke people in the 40 and then get creamed by those same folks in the 100 once they got their big ole strides going.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 19, 2008 11:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, yeah

We had this debate once before Eric, back when Usain Bolt was defying the laws of physics. Asafa Powell feels your pain. :) I just get a little annoyed when people compare tenths between high school recruits, because, man, there is no difference. Everybody invariably uses their best hand times and those should be accompanied with a +/- 0.4 sec qualifier. And the selective bias in choosing your reported time rules out the minus sign there. I’d be ten times as interested in their maximum power clean to body weight ratio, but that’s a little more dangerous for high schoolers to maximize.

Also, I don’t think all Olympic sprinters follow the start slow, win with long strides formula. Maurice Greene was a regular champ at 100m, 200m, and 55/60m. If he wasn’t the world’s best over 40 yards at some point in the late ’90s, he was damn close.

by gumbercules on Dec 19, 2008 11:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is a theory for you........

I have always been fascinated by the notion that Jimmy The Greek could be fired for what he said regarding slavery and the modern athlete (even though history and to a lesser extent economic theories on the longerm viability of slavery as an insititution support his statements and actually are esteemed theories in academic circles), but we never want to discuss why africans DOMINATE virtually all low barrier to entry speed AND quickness sports. 6 percent of the population comprises 100% of starting cornerbacks in the NFL and we don’t even talk about it, but 6% of the population makes up 3% of Division I football coaches and we are on the verge of the apocolypse. Anyhow, I work with TONS of black folks and we have some great conversations about race, culture and the similarities and differences between “whites” and “blacks”. Having said all of that, the most interesting explanation I have heard (and frankly the only one) that explains the delta between whites and blacks in this country to answer the question, Why do black americans dominate the NBA, the NFL, and USA track when clearly there are millions more white americans who no doubt share the same dreams yet fall short is this……its the outliers so to speak where the differences lie……….so its not the average white guy and the average black guy where the disparity in speed and quickness exist………its the outlier on the high end of the spectrum where the differences exist. The ceiling could possibly be higher for black americans than for whites. Its the top .00000xxxx percent of each population that produces the athletes we see in the Olympics or in the NFL so it would make sense that if this theory holds (albeit based here on no scientific explanation), that the few folks who actually run sub 10 second 100 meters would be black and not white.

Having said all of that……….I played Cornerback for about 6 weeks for Allegheny College in 1990. Our stud running back was a guy named Stan Drayton. Stan later was the RB’s Coach at Florida and is now at Tennessee. He was extremely fast (4.3x 40), but frankly……wasn’t that good a running back given his size and speed. Didn’t have the instincts or the quickness of say…….an Evan Royster. So obviously we all agree straight speed isn’t the only factor (Emmitt Smith) in how good a player you are, but all things equal it doesn’t hurt to have it and frankly………in a perception driven society where size and speed intimidate, the more speed you have the higher you seem to be regaded in the human piece of the polls and that obviously determines how far you have to climb in the polls to get to number 1.

Anyhow, I don’t buy the 4.19, but to your point…….the guy is fast and the bottom line is he smoked everybody regardless of what the actual clock said the times were.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 20, 2008 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the guy is fast and the bottom line is he smoked everybody regardless of what the actual clock said the times were.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make — he’s faster than everyone he competed against. It’s the second a PSU fan genuinely thinks that this kid is 0.12 seconds faster than Justin King over 40 yards, or faster than King at all, that he enters the pseudo-science fantasy land of fake 40 times.

its the outliers so to speak where the differences lie

It’s possible, I don’t know what the distribution looks like. But it sounds farfetched, that there is this magical point in the bell curve where certain genes in some people activate to drop their 100m time by 0.3 seconds. An alternative viewpoint is that the outliers are the easiest to see because they are clearly in the public’s eye every Sunday on CBS. Calculating what an “average white guy” runs is a hell of a lot more work, and as far as I know the government isn’t dropping millions of dollars to pull people off the street and run 40’s.

Personally, I think that 10 second barrier you mention for white sprinters has been by far the most damning piece of evidence in terms of a observable racial difference in physical ability, because pretty much everybody who is fast in high school ends up running the 100m at some point. As for people like Jimmy the Greek, he has no business espousing an academic hypothesis — existing evidence is inconclusive and mostly anecdotal — as an NFL color commentator. He deserved to be fired because his very public opinion can create sweeping stereotypes that discourage all young white athletes across the country to even try, or suggest young black men focus on athletics rather than the piano or higher-order mathematics. An opinion of this sort belongs in a refereed paper with a ton of well-measured evidence and with heavy disclaimers on drawing unfair and damaging conclusions.

If you want to read a progressive opinion on race and the NFL, written by Drew Magary of all people, check out the Dick Joke Jambaroo from Week 3. It highlights a possible way in which a physical advantage for a quarterback is actually detrimental to his long-term success.

by gumbercules on Dec 20, 2008 12:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good stuff. I have a few questions for you, but have to think of how to put them. I’ll respond later.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 20, 2008 12:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So many factors to consider

And it really is a very thin line to walk when making hypotheses about such disparity.

One factor I would consider is background. The hometown I grew up in was very rural and blue collar. The graduating class at the high school was maybe 130. The football team wasn’t always the biggest, but the players were typically tougher, stronger, meaner, and even faster than their competition. Which included teams from more urban areas once the playoffs started. At PSU, our flag football team won the major division championship every year. I don’t want to sound like Al Bundy or anything and brag about it, but I think it counts for something at such a large university. We also won the softball championship every year and nearly won the bball one every year as well. And we were all white. We just didn’t grow up in an environment where athletics was simply just an after-school activity to fill time. Athletics were everything, and had been a big part of the areas culture for decades. Our rival produced Jim Kelly (then we absorbed their school district, but that’s another story). When I moved during high school, the school district I went to was larger and more affluent, yet the football team was awful. My new friends were apathetic to performing well in sports and it translated into less talent on the field.

I simply think that when a boy grows up in an environment where the most obvious opportunity for advancement is athletics and the culture around him encourages him to attack that opportunity, they’re more inclined to succeed in that field…just as a kid who grows up with two doctors as parents is more likely to be a successful professional.

There are always exceptions to everything, of course, but I just think that the cultural differences, irrespective of skin color, really influences a person’s performance on an athletic field.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Dec 20, 2008 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't find it now

since the site is down, but Malcolm Gladwell (www.gladwell.com if you don’t know about him, he is a good writer from the New Yorker, and writes in a way that makes you start to believe one thing, then switches it up and makes you believe something else, and he is pretty good at least at looking at scientific studies) wrote about this subject a while ago. He even went so far as to compare west vs east Africans (notice how Kenyans almost always dominate in the marathons, while people from say Nigeria are typically better sprinters).

I don’t recall the exact “conclusion” but I think it was something along the lines of distribution of talents (because as you note, the average white guy and the average black guy are VERY similar). If I remember to check later when the site is back up I’ll try to find the exact article.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

he’s a burner

"gotta love the HD"

by biscoiv on Dec 19, 2008 6:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is the video

of Smith running the 40s….notice him throw up the gang signs while chanting Penn State Baby!

Devon Smith 40 video

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Dec 19, 2008 6:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great video, he has some PSU pride, nice to see.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Dec 19, 2008 10:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jeeze, he is tiny

The helmet looks disproportionate to the rest of his body, but he is lightning, even if 4.19 isn’t completely accurate.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 20, 2008 5:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude ran back the 2nd half opening kick

for 98 yards in the ‘Maryland Crab Bowl’ today. Another DWill in the making on our special teams?

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 20, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.

I don’t want to be Debbie Downer, but let’s just hope he isn’t another Sam McGuffie. The Michigan games I watched this year, McGuffie was clearly to light to make any impact despite his speed. Hopefully Devon can put on some pounds and tear it up for us next year.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Dec 20, 2008 7:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Undecided

I’m not really sure if I should be excited or concerned about this kid. Yeah he’s fast but c’mon…he’s a midget. I don’t want to see him getting his arm broken while returning a kick like DWill did.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Dec 20, 2008 7:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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