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On Letting The Big Ten Season Stay Up Past Its Bed Time

 

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I have a theory I'm not really sure I believe in but made sense to me one Saturday afternoon while talking over the pre-Penn State games with a friend.  The theory? That Big Ten teams are built a bit differently than those in other conferences is order to survive in the unpleasant conditions of the late season.  Now, for the first half of the schedule Big Ten weather isn't much different than the rest of the country, but what happens when your high flying Texas Techish attack is playing in 25 degree, 30 mph winds?  I'm not suggesting that the Big Ten is "slow" or "old" or any of the other crap that comes with that line of conference blather, but it is almost a certainty that, playing in the midwest, you will face a situation where talent advantages are marginalized by mother nature at least once during the season and the winning team will be the one with the bruteness and balance that always seems to prevail on the muddy, wet, cold, windy gridiron.  The chances of the Big Ten's leader stumbling to an inferior team in these conditions is higher than it would be in, say, southern California. 

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Sure, upsets are usually a good time, but an increase in bad weather games is only going to increase their occurrence, thus lowering the conference's chance of sending a team MNC'in. Remember just one loss puts you behind half a dozen other teams that are closer to the front of the line; the negative effects are only multiplied if you lose later in the season (when the bad weather hits).

That being said, I don't really have any data to back this up.  Without looking up weather logs and charting teams with more pass heavy attacks... well it's a tall task and not really worth trying to prove anyway.

To get back on track here: I do think that pushing games further and further back into the winter, playing games during December*, is kind of asking for it.

Yes, it's better to be visible, idol teams dropping in the polls for no reason at all is a real thing, but I'm not sure all of our problems are fixed by simply pushing games further back into the year.  The problems are just different.  While the more popular teams in the league will draw fine in the cold, I don't know how easy it's going to be to get fans in Chicago to attend an already ill-watched Northwestern team.  Same goes for Minnesota's new outdoor stadium.

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I'm still interested to see how the Big Ten's scheduling decision, which pushes the last week of league games past Thanksgiving next year, will affect things.  It's already a done deal, for better or worse, even with Ohio State and Michigan opposing it (the fact that the change was done in spite of this is, in all seriousness, stunning to me). 

Lloyd Carr suggested, when this thing was still up for discussion, that Delaney loby the NCAA to allow the Big Ten to start a week early instead.  While this is clearly an attempt at protecting the season ending game with Ohio State from becoming an annual Ice Bowl, I prefer that idea as well.  The offseason is too long anyway. On the other hand, one might conclude that it's all an effort to replace the Land Grant Trophy with its much more awesome bearded version (for warmth, of course), in which case, I'm all of the sudden fine with it.

Because public polls always lead to a situation where everyone wins, let's hear what you think in the poll below.

*Note that this isn't actually possible right now.  The new rule allows games to be played the first weekend after Thanksgiving but not any later.  I looked up (yes, I actually looked this up) and it turns out Thanksgiving will never be any later then it was this year, meaning Big Ten football in December is allowed only via mediocre bowl games.

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Are you okay with Penn State eventually moving home games into the last part of November?
Of course, pass the hand warmers.
530 votes
No thanks, pass the leftovers and remote.
123 votes

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I agree with the "built for the conditions" aspect of Big 10 teams

and it is the same reason I think that a lot of those Big 12 teams would have a few more losses if playing up in Big 10 weather (not necessarily saying against Big 10 teams, just up in this weather). It is harder to throw and catch a ball in 20 degree snowy weather with a healthy dose of wind. Not impossible, just much harder.

Unfortunately, those pass happy attacks allow a team to exploit certain imbalances between teams much better in warmer weather, so I think a lot of these “big, slow Big 10 teams” don’t always adjust quite so well when the weather isn’t around to diminish those imbalances.

Another aspect that you didn’t really touch: if you are a speedy receiver, where are you going to want to go play? In warm weather where you will be utilized more AND have better conditions to perform in, or up in the snowy north?

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't all that long ago that the B-10 played after Thanksgiving

It’s been maybe a decade since they changed it to end sooner. So ending sooner in order to get the kids home was the real experiment, and they decided they didn’t like it, so they are simply reverting to the old way, and things were just fine.

We’ve played MSU plenty of times after Thanksgiving.

by PSU Mudder on Dec 2, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed.

It looks like it used to jump around a bit:

11/17/2007 @ *Michigan State (7-6) L 31 35
11/18/2006 vs. *Michigan State (4-8) W 17 13
11/19/2005 @ *Michigan State (5-6) W 31 22
11/20/2004 vs. *Michigan State (5-7) W 37 13
11/22/2003 @ *Michigan State (8-5) L 10 41
11/23/2002 vs. *Michigan State (4-8) W 61 7
11/24/2001 @ *Michigan State (7-5) W 42 37
11/18/2000 vs. *Michigan State (5-6) W 42 23
11/20/1999 @ *Michigan State (10-2) L 28 35
11/28/1998 vs. *Michigan State (6-6) W 51 28
11/29/1997 @ *Michigan State (7-5) L 14 49
11/23/1996 vs. *Michigan State (6-6) W 32 29
11/25/1995 @ *Michigan State (6-5-1) W 24 20
11/26/1994 vs. *Michigan State (5-6) W 59 31
11/27/1993 @ *Michigan State (6-6) W 38 37

by Kevin HD on Dec 2, 2008 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Us old-timers remember when we used to always play Pitt after Thanksgiving.

I voted yes.

I think trying to make future schedules based on the current style that your team plays is a mistake. Who knows – two years from now, Devlin could get hurt & maybe we will be a run-only team.

Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany

by Elihu on Dec 2, 2008 1:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would vote "don't care"

my only reason to vote “no” would be so there would be more time for a playoff ;-)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2008 1:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and/or for taking PItt to the woodshed.

by deihlba on Dec 2, 2008 11:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MSU game

It was cold as s and we threw that ball all over the field.

Temp isn’t or shouldn’t be a factor — rain/snow and wind are. It can be windy and rain anywhere, and that equalizes everything.

by millzners on Dec 2, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think the “built for” aspect applies to the big ten, given other schools who play in poor weather have played more open offense for decades. The Big East plays in the same conditions (with the exception of syracuse) and Montana, Wyoming and many Big West (or whatever they are now) schools play in snowy weather starting in October.

I think the brand and the traditions of the big ten have more to do with the offenses that teams tended to play. Whether we like it or not, this conference has been dominated by OSU and Mich over the past 50 years, and they are the ones who dictated the style of play.

We’ve seen plenty of passing in the big ten since Tiller came to Purdue. In fact, you can probably make the argument that the most run heavy team over the past ten years (this season not withstanding) is the one who plays in a dome (MINN)

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Dec 2, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stand it up and knock it down.

I never really thought the concept had legs, but it still is an interesting thought. After watching a lot of Big XII ball this year I couldn’t help but wonder what in the world lead to half the teams in the league being able to put up 55+ a game.

I still think the idea that this hurts attendance is ligitimate, though.

by Kevin HD on Dec 2, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where's the obligatory Graham Zug option?

No poll is complete without it…

As for the cold weather, I believe improvements in technology and cycling warm footballs into play have significantly reduced the drawbacks to passing in cold weather. If anything, a 50 degree rain in the South may be more of a damper to passing offenses now than a 15 degree clear day.

The big issue is the wind, but that’s a geographical issue. Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Oklahoma will always have a few games where the wind is gusting whether it’s September or December. You can’t do much about that aside from build a dome.

by Cairo on Dec 2, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted yes

But I don’t care about the weather issues. I think it kills us having our teams sit at home while the other top ten teams have an extra week against a major rival and a conference championship game to impress the voters. Nobody has ever jumped another team while sitting at home on their bye week. But teams on their bye week get jumped all the time. Sitting out the last two weeks while Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and Florida are racking up wins hurts us.

by BSD on Dec 2, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted yes..

and I’d like to see more Southern Teams and Western Teams come play up north in the winter. If the Rose Bowl was played in State College or Columbus I’d bet Big 10 teams would have a decided advantage. Also, to the person that said it can be windy anywhere, that is true but not completely seeing the big picture. In Big 10 Country and the Upper Midwest, the meteorological shifts of fall are more noticeable than in the South and West. They do not see huge cold fronts coming through and gusting winds to 40 mph in late October and November very often. Also, the thought of seeing snow at an ACC or SEC game that doesn’t involve Boston College or Maryland makes me laugh. It takes one hell of a cold snap and hitting it just right to have snow at a Virginia or Virginia Tech game and any farther south is like 1 in a million.

by psu1313 on Dec 2, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes vote from me...

I am a firm believer that football should be played in any type of weather. I was so pumped for the MSU game this year, because it was snowing. There is nothing like a Big 10 championship game in the freezing cold and snow. People who say that the Super Bowl or National Championship should be played indoors are wrong in my opinion. The best team on the field will rise above the conditions and win the game. The best teams win no matter what the conditions in my opinion.

by blt on Dec 2, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OOC Schedule

Let’s shift our big out-of-conference game to the end of the year. You know that game where Alabama comes to State College? Move it to November. I’d love to see these southern teams deal with the Big 10 winter.
(above said in jest, I know this would never happen)

by The Man with One Black Shoe on Dec 2, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh

No way USC/Florida/Oklahoma beat us in the weather we played MSU in. They just don’t have experience playing in that kind of weather.

by PizzaDelivery on Dec 3, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh, I'd say they could beat us

but it would definitely be more in our favor (I say more, since I’d already favor us against those teams cuz I’m a homer…and even if I wasn’t a homer I’d still favor us significantly against OU’s sieve of a defense)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i said yes...

because it’ll help us in the polls…keeps PSU fresh on voters minds. but i want to add Pitt instead of MSU being our last game. bring that back…or i agree by adding some SEC or Big12 team to the end of the season. let those pansies play in real football weather!!!

by amandakt on Dec 3, 2008 1:54 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re: Pitt

I thought we were trying to add a good OOC team to the end of our schedule

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

…that’s why i added the SEC/Big12 to the end…

I just want to see us beat up on Pitt again every year. that’s just fun.

by amandakt on Dec 3, 2008 10:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's IDLE not IDOL

Playing after Thanksgiving keeps Big Ten teams fresher in the minds of voters and also takes out the month layoff between the season and a bowl game. I don’t care if we bring back Pitt for the game or just have an extra bye week.

by mgr135 on Dec 4, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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