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Fear Not That They Fail, Laugh Instead

 

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You can't spell "mediocre" without d-o-m-e-r.

Tonight Notre Dame will try to break their nine game bowl losing streak in Hawaii. It is college football's longest streak, made even funnier by the fact that it has actually been fifteen years since they last won in the post season. So let's enjoy it, root for the Rainbow Warriors and hope Weis shows up in a mumu. This is a meaningless game, totally unconnected to Penn State; schadenfreude at its best.

Wait, what's that Rittenburg?


I cringe a bit as I type this, but the Big Ten should want Weis to succeed in 2009. The Big Ten needs Notre Dame to be good again, if for no other reason than to boost its nonconference strength of schedule. Three Big Ten teams play the Irish every year -- Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue -- and Notre Dame should present the opportunity for a quality victory. Michigan State's win against Notre Dame on Sept. 20 has lost a lot of value since the Irish sputtered down the stretch.


Of course it can't be just a game, everything that happens in the universe has to somehow be introduced as evidence in the Great Conference Debate.

While I like where Rittenbug's head is at, and he's a fine writer and does good work, I have to completely disagree.

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The big misconception in college football is that you need the perennial powers to succeed in order for the sport to succeed. I don't buy it. When the Ivys eliminated scholarships after being the dominant force in the sport, college football moved on. When SMU was a successful team (claiming three MNC's including two in the 80's) and received the death penalty, college football moved on. Penn State, Miami, Florida State, and countless other "big time" programs have struggled from time to time, yet the sport has shown consistent growth.

A good example: Nebraska hasn't been relevant since 2002, and still the Big XII is considered the most talented conference this season anyway. The Big East was completely ransacked, losing the only two teams that had ever received an auto-BCS bid, yet WVU and USF were both highly ranked last year and were both given enough support from the public to control their own path to the MNC game (both failed, of course).

College football is a powerful being and when a marque team stumbles there are 118 other teams ready to fill the void.

Bringing this a little closer to the specific situation: Notre Dame only hurts the Big Ten.

  • Chicago newspapers have the difficult task of covering both the biggest name in college football and about half of the Big Ten conference. When Notre Dame is at the top they dominate the coverage, overshadowing publicity for the rest of the league.
  • Notre Dame recruits nationally but is still picking up most of their roster from the Big Ten recruiting base. If Notre Dame consistently underperformed, these kids who used to be easy pick-ups for the Irish are going to end up at Big Ten schools, thus raising the talent level in the league.
  • Notre Dame has a contract with NBC to put all of their home games on national television, however when they play on the road the games are broadcast at the option of home team's suitor . This is usually ESPN. So when ESPN has the chance to pick up a popular ND game at the expense of a Big Ten league game, what are they to do? Notre Dame fans are most dense through Big Ten Country, and if they are playing well it's unfortunately an easy call for them. This lowers the visibility of Big Ten games. If ND is struggling and lacking drawing power, the Big Ten gets the more prominent platform.
  • No one wins when Notre Dame gets a BCS bid, this won't happen if they continue to struggle.
  • Notre Dame does play several Big Ten teams every year, but it is still only 6.8% of the total OOC games the league plays.

What we need isn't for Notre Dame to become a competitive opponent, but for the the Big Ten to start winning the other 41 out of conference match-ups. Michigan State can't lose to Cal. Ohio State can't be embarrassed against USC . Michigan can't lose to a Toledo team so bad they fired their coach. Wisconsin can't beat Cal Poly on a missed extra point in overtime.

Now, playing a weak OOC slate is definitely a problem for the league, but:

(1) it's a problem in all of college football, not just the Big Ten. In fact, you could argue the situation we are in right now is a direct result of there being no common games between Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech,USC and PSU . On top of that, I'm only aware of one relatively competitive common opponent, Oregon State, and that's between 27 total out of conference games! No one is playing anyone.

(2) the three extra competitive games, a small fraction of the total non-Big Ten contests, aren't really going to help that much. Especially when you consider that, over the next two years, neither Purdue, Michigan State, or Michigan are likely to being making any noise on the national front.

So relax Penn State readers, root for Notre Dame to fail and fear not the consequences.  A Notre Dame loss...

 

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Is a win for America.

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oh yeah

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Dec 24, 2008 5:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neutered Dames

They can fall off the face of the planet for all I care.

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 24, 2008 5:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome post, Kevin

And just for funsies:

H/T:Mr2Cents via EDSBS

by gumbercules on Dec 24, 2008 7:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Open Thread?

Anybody watching the game?

by BSD on Dec 24, 2008 8:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

What’s with Notre Dame putting names on the backs of their jerseys? When did they start doing that?

by BSD on Dec 24, 2008 8:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the first time

in the last 20 years… coincides with the last time they were decent.

by AdamShell on Dec 24, 2008 9:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Victory

Despite a late charge by Leman, Graham Zug won and defeated Leman by 9 votes. The poll is closed.

ALL HAIL ZUG.

Throw it to Zug!

by ReadingRambler on Dec 24, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all hail

dammit can zug please go help out the might rainbows, I cannot tolerate ND winning this game much longer.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Dec 24, 2008 9:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not watching

Anyway, it might be a blessing in disguise. Two things could happen:

1. Notre Dame blows lead. Charlie Weis fired and replaced by Lou Holtz.
2. Notre Dame wins. Domers get excited about next year’s impending “RETURN TO GLORY”. Notre Dame loses to Washington State. Charlie Weis fired and replaced by Lou Holtz.

Throw it to Zug!

by ReadingRambler on Dec 24, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lou holtz is a great coach

at the end of practice he gives a speech and no one needs to “hit the showers”, they are clean as can be thanks to his saliva (mixed with denture cream). Is ND playing a college team or is this the Honolulu high school team? Hawaii’s QB and team is on equal sucking level with ND unfortunately.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Dec 24, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Notre Dame's losing streak cannot be snapped

When you’re playing NOBODY you can’t win…

this is pathetic

by AdamShell on Dec 24, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sucks

At least we can still laugh at their record in the past 15 years worth of bowls, even if they managed to back into a win this year by playing that powerhouse Hawaii instead of a challenging opponent.

by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 25, 2008 12:04 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Merry Christmas, everyone!

From the HaloScan comments on Blue Gray Sky:

Please forgive me if this has been previously addressed… but seriously, the names on the jerseys?

Has Charlie completely forgotten what Notre Dame is about? Tradition, lore, mystique…

WTF is he doing?

Boy, took you a looooooooong time to ask that question.

Throw it to Zug!

by ReadingRambler on Dec 25, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Names on jerseys

Apparently Ara Parsegian used to do this for the bowl game too.

by mgr135 on Dec 25, 2008 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the names on the jersey

will do more damage to him then any loss

by psu1313 on Dec 25, 2008 9:08 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm...
The Big East was completely ransacked, losing the only two teams that had ever received an auto-BCS bid

I know it seems like ancient history, but Syracuse recieved a BCS autobid in 1998 (McNabb’s senior year), the first year of the BCS. Really, it was only ten years ago.

by drothgery on Dec 25, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW, as a Big East fan...

… what we don’t want is a mediocre ND team. If they’re bowl eligible, but not in the BCS, they can usually be taken instead of a Big East team in one of our top-level bowls. Since this is really annoying (because our bowl deals aren’t that great anyway), we’d rather have ND in the BCS or home for the holidays.

by drothgery on Dec 25, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for dropping by, Jerry

and best of luck on getting to the 8 win plateau next season. In all seriousness though, congrats on getting the bowl monkey off your back. There’s been a lot of not-real-nice stuff about Weis on here (and everywhere else) recently, sure, but you can’t honestly say you’re happy with Weis as coach. The guy is kind of a laughing stock.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 26, 2008 10:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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