Al Golden Not Interested In Syracuse. Let's Overanalyze It.
Just when it seemed the successor stories had disappeared, there were some interesting developments in the Coach Swap '08. The first rumor that got our heads turned was an unconfirmed report that Tom Bradley may or may not be interested in the Syracuse job.
The validity is questionable, no doubt, but the thought is interesting. If Bradley, one of the best D coordinators in the country who now has the added experience of working almost an entire season as de facto sideline head coach, is all of the sudden looking around after 25 years at the bit...well, that's something to take note of, even if it is just a rumor.
Then today, while stressing over the ever shrinking list of Greg Robinson replacements, TNIAAM finds another name to cross off:
Al Golden? Not interested. (Let that simmer for a minute..the head coach of Temple football feels as though he's better off there than coaching Syracuse.)
While at first it looks like a knock on the state of Syracuse football, maybe there is more to it.
The quote that was linked:
"Syracuse asked for permission to speak with Coach Golden, and it was granted," said Temple Director of Athletics Bill Bradshaw. "However, Coach Golden has indicated that he is not interested in pursuing the position."
Moving from Temple to Syracuse is an upgrade in every sense of the word. No offense to our Temple friends, but a BCS school with history, playing in a conference with no ten foot giants to overcome, is a better gig than coaching the MAC, even if you are on the rise. I mean, get better than Cincinnati and you are going to the Orange Bowl. He could even maintain most of his recruiting ties and knows he has the ability to turn around a struggling program.
So the only explanation, for me anyway, is that he is waiting for a better gig. The thing is, though, coaches running middle of the pack MAC teams don't get a lot of offers.
He's waiting out the Penn State job. I really think it's that simple. I'm not suggesting he is a lock for Next Head Coach At Penn State, but you don't turn down a job like Syracuse, where each passing day makes it look like an easier and easier land, unless you are confident that PSU will at least give you a fair shot.
He is a qualified guy, of course, with Penn State ties both personally and in his staff. We probably aren't doing this song and dance for at least another year, maybe two or three, but the setup continues to get more interesting.
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If we lose Bradley, I'm afraid we will regret it forever
Like you said, he’s a fantastic d-coordinator. Recruits as well as anyone, AND now can say he knows how to run the sideline. I still have some doubts about him, with defensive meltdowns at Iowa and at MSU, but so what — no one’s perfect. But with Joe in the booth and Bradley on the sideline we’re something like 13-1 — that is striking.
A year ago we were all talking about Schiano as the heir apparent. How turning down the Michigan job was obviously a sign he was waiting for PSU. Well now he’s 6-5 and facing Louisville tonight — fighting for either the International Bowl or the PapaJohns.com bowl. His defense looks about as uninspired and under-coached as any in the Big East — and he was supposedly a great defensive coordinator.
If you ask me, Bradley’s about as close as we’ve come to a new Head Coach since the 60’s. I’m terrified Joe’s arrogance and refusal to name a successor will leave Bradley no choice. The longer Joe waits, the more fuel Spanier or whoever will have to go hunting for the next flash-in-the-pan RichRod / Weis / Zook / Bielema.
by millzners on Dec 4, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's actually waiting for
Notre Dame?
Because trolling the MAC is where they are going to find themselves in a year.
by PSU Mudder on Dec 4, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I predict
TB get the Cuse job, Golden is the new DC and named HC in waiting.
by SweepTheLeg on Dec 4, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I don’t see TB going to Syracuse. That program has a lot of issues besides just the coaching. They need an overhaul of their facilities and it seems like they’ve sold their soles for basketball success. I’m not sure anyone can turn that program around until the administration buys into making it a winner.
And I’m not sure Golden would go from being a head coach to a coordinator at another program. I don’t see how that would advance his career. It looks more impressive to turn around a program like Temple than it would be to go to a school like Penn State, which already has a great defensive tradition, and just keep it out of the ditches.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 4, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Syracuse Athletic Department
Is truly one of the most dysfunctional departments around.
I think it was brought up yesterday how if Spanier leaves Penn State, there is a fear of a radical feminist type president coming in. One who is only concerned with academics and title IX compliance, who couldn’t care less about tradition, especially in the stereotypical boys club that is college football.
Syracuse has that president. Her name is Nancy Cantor, and she is much maligned for wrecking the Athletics Department and the football program. Sure, Syracuse is great in “Olympic” sports. But at the end of the day, who cares? Fencing, crew, and track and field aren’t bringing in the big money.
Any college coach has to consider that before going to Syracuse. The athletics department there really doesn’t care if the football team wins or loses.
by shadowfax on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The athletics department there really doesn’t care if the football team wins or loses.
Exactly. Robinson would have been fired last year AT THE LATEST at any other big BCS conference school
I still can’t believe Auburn fired Tuberville
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Dec 4, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Sold their soles"
+1, if that was unintentional
by mgr135 on Dec 4, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
He actually wants to spend the rest of his career at Temple….like JoePa at PSU
Joe knows what he is doing…he has been doing it for a long time.
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on Dec 4, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The difference.
Penn State had room to grow, Temple does not. With the way college football is not, Temple has a very serious glass ceiling. Unless he is trying to get the school back into the Big East, which is something I never considered. But even that goal is difficult because they are going to deal with major attendance problems, even if they start winning MAC championships, plus never really be able to out recruit against Penn State, Rutgers and so on.
I just think he has too many ties to PSU to pass that up for a shot at making Temple the next Marshall.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 4, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also, wasn't one of the reasons that Temple got kicked from the Big East
was that they didn’t control the scheduling at their home field (the Linc)? Perhaps that was just an excuse they used to kick them out when they just wanted to get rid of the bottom feeders?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 4, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schiano, Bradley, Ganter, Golden, etc.
There’s a good chance that each of these guys passed up an opportunity to make more money at a program with greater prestige in order to just get the chance to be considered for the PSU job in the future. That right there should tell us how special Happy Valley and Penn State football is! We truly are the Camelot of college football!
by RNF18 on Dec 4, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We make assumptions
We assume every coach has stars in his eyes and wants to be the next head coach of a major program. If I were in their shoes I would rather be in a stable coordinator job or HC job at a program that I know won’t fire me after one mediocre season. That’s just me, but I have to believe some of these guys are content where they are.
We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley
by psu on Dec 4, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
that’s why you never got anywhere in life and you spend your time talking about football on blogs.
(j/k)
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 4, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what does that make you, RUTS and I?
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 4, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some days I wonder that myself.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 4, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely why I never got anywhere in life this year...
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 4, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, except to the Rose Bowl, that is...
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 4, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm comfortable with my mediocrity, in fact I am enjoying it just fine thanks.
We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley
by psu on Dec 4, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys set your sights pretty high.
Me? I realize I was put on this earth to be a bad example, and I take that job quite seriously.
I consider myself an amazing success.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Dec 4, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Tom Bradley?
Is there any chance that if Joe finally retires in 2-3-4 years, that TB might too.
Maybe he is content to be Penn State’s DC until retirement.
Any thoughts??
by NJ lion on Dec 4, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Time is in Golden's side
I’ve thought since last summer that Al Golden would be in the running for the next PSU HC.
The longer Joe coaches the longer Golden has to prove him self on and off the field. I see him at Temple as the Grand Experiment II. His success at improving the graduation rates of his players will give him an edge over many external candidates. If he can coach Temple to some winning seasons then he may be a shoe in. Bradley is getting to the age where his future coaching years are in single digits. Very few coaches go into their 70’s. Schools only permit those with legend status to continue coaching that long (Paterno and Bowden). Golden has the potential to be head coach another 20 years.
by ageing lion on Dec 4, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The other thing too
Being the head coach at PSU is a lot of politics. You have to be able to put on a suit and tie and rub elbows with the corporate sponsors that support the program. Like it or not it’s a big part of the job. Paterno could do that with the best of them. I’m not sure Bradley can pull it off. He strikes me as the type of guy that would wear a powder blue tuxedo to the country club. That’s just not his type of environment.
Golden, on the other hand, I get the impression would do very well in that type of setting.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 4, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is funny
It’s even more speculative than what we regularly do in here, but I’m with your impressions. Can totally see the tuxedo thing and Golden knocking it outta the park.
And where’s LJ fit in at that country club?
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 4, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in the middle of Centre County, PA?
best not to ask
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 4, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley and the Bend But Don't Suck
Question: is the bbds (not to be confused with bsd) a JoePa-mandated philosophy, and would it continue with Bradley at the topmost helm?
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 4, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder this a lot, also.
I suspect it’s a Bradley thing.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 4, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Penn State tradition
Mike mentioned the BBDS defense can be seen in the 1984 game against BC.
My sons (4 and 6) have become addicted to football this year. Since we’re running out of games I pulled out an old VHS tape (you youngsters can google it) of the 1997 Fiesta Bowl against Texas.
The first half, at least, was classic BBDS defense.
Awesome game by the way, with a great turnaround in the second half.
by confirmy on Dec 4, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall a lot of BBDS with Sandusky
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 4, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is funny
is that we won all of those games. Penn State was a big underdog in that 1984 BC game, we only went 6-5 that year. Maybe if Miami would have played a little BBDB defense they would not have lost to them.
If you want to watch BBDB work, get yourself a 86 Fiesta Bowl tape.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Dec 5, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I call BS
prevent nearly lost that game for PSU -
by PSUgirl on Dec 5, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which game?
They played prevent for the entire, and I mean entire, 1987 Fiesta Bowl.
What defense would you play against Doug Flutie in 1984? Say what you want, PSU went 3-1 against Doug, the defense worked fine.
I don’t recal that the 1997 Texas game was close.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Dec 5, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TB
Personally I love TB the man, seems like a standup guy and great recruiter.
Don’t love his D, always play soft. I prefer the attacking model, like Buddy Ryan.
by SweepTheLeg on Dec 4, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BBDS is what it is
Bradley stops the run. The soft zone sometimes beats us, but mostly it prevents running and chunks of yardage in the passing game. Without the BBDS, I think people would be complaining much more about DBs getting beat. They wouldn’t blame the system, they’d blame the player.
A working system that’s imperfect is probably far better than what you replace it with. Exhibit A: Nebraska and Frank Solich. Exhibit B: Michigan and Lloyd Carr. You risk losing it all if you ditch what’s working pretty darn well already.
That’s not to say Bradley shouldn’t use man coverage at times. But the choice is probably between BBDS defense with Bradley and inconsistent defending with not-Bradley.
by gcdyersb on Dec 4, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Golden just loves his kids
Am I being naive?
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 4, 2008 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, you are not being naive
Al Golden’s tongue-in-cheek statement is up on Temple Football Forever
(Actually, I wrote it for him.)
Kevin is right. He can outwait Joe. He’s that young. If he has to park here for a while, he will.
http://templefootballforever.blogspot.com
by templefootballforever on Dec 4, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think the premise is wrong: I think Golden is better off at Temple than Syracuse. I wouldn’t blame him for staying at Temple given the current situations. For a number of reasons:
1. He’s making progress at Temple and making a perennial program like them into one that has winning records and gets to bowl games would be a real feather in the cap and a big boost to his rep.
2. Given the respective leagues/schedules, it’s easier to make Temple into a winner than Syracuse (laugh about the Big East if you must, but it’s far better than the MAC). He’s not going to pull in vastly better recruits to Syracuse at this point in history than he can get at Temple but he can do more with less at Temple.
3. Syracuse is a mess right now. There’s some history, but it’s distant and not that bright. They play in a dome, they are in a lightly regarded BCS conference. The football team is vastly overshadowed by the hoops squad. The coach that takes over for 2009 might improve and make a name for himself — but I think he’s more likely to kill his career by wallowing in mediocrity at a program where there’s just enough attention for people to know you are the guy who isn’t doing anything.
4. Golden isn’t looking to end up at ‘Cuse in all likelihood and will be looking for someplace else in the future. Jumping from school to school isn’t a big deal in college coaching, but it’s not a good thing either. Especially if Golden really does want the PSU job — a school that seems to emphasize loyalty and would probably appreciate it if he sticks at Temple for a while.
Whoever takes the Cuse job is not IMHO going to be a head coach at a smaller school. It’s going to be a coordinator who wants to finally break into the “head coach” category.
by Laaaaazzz on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I were Syracuse
I’d call UConn head coach Randy Edsall. That guy took a program that is less than five years old and turned it into a conference contender and a fringe top 25 team. He’s also a Syracuse grad that understands the tradition of Syracuse football. It must kill him to see his alma mater the way it is, and I bet he’d be willing to take over and try to turn it around.
Edsall began his coaching career in 1980 at his alma mater, Syracuse University. A former quarterback for the Orangemen, Edsall started as a graduate assistant from 1980-1982. In 1983, coach Dick MacPherson named Edsall running backs coach. He coached the running backs for three seasons at Syracuse (1983-84 and 1986) and coached the tight ends in 1985 before making the switch to the defensive side of the ball. He coached the Syracuse defensive backs from 1987-1990 and during that period the Orangemen were ranked amongst the National Division I-A leaders in pass defense.
In 1991, Edsall moved on to Boston College and joined the staff of Coughlin. He coached the Eagle defensive backs for three seasons (1991-1993) and had his secondary ranked among the national top 20 in pass defense in two of those three seasons. He moved with Coughlin to the NFL in 1994.
Success has followed Edsall at every stop along his playing and coaching journey. He has been a part of 10 different teams (nine as a coach) that made bowl appearances and came away with a victory seven times.
The Jacksonville Jaguars advanced to the NFL Playoffs in two of his three seasons, including an AFC Championship Game appearance in 1996. From 1985 to 1993, Edsall was a part of seven teams that made bowl appearances and in 1993, Boston College upset three top 10 teams on the road in Notre Dame, Penn State and Syracuse.
The guy is perfect for the job.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 4, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edsall
Didn’t he already come out and say he is not interested in the job? I swore that happened a week after Robinson was fired.
by mgr135 on Dec 5, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
He was still coaching UConn and Robinson wasn’t going anywhere until the season was over. You can’t pay attention when a coach says he’s not interested because he has to focus on coaching his damn fine football team.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 5, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was payback
because I believe he wanted the job a few years back.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Dec 5, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
If Syracuse is serious about wanting to win, and I assume they are since the status quo under Robinson wasn’t good enough, they need to call Mr. Edsall and make him an offer he can’t refuse. Syracuse needs a coach that understands Syracuse and its place in Eastern football. Not some hot shot coordinator from the south or west coast. Randy Edsall gets Syracuse.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 5, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they can make that offer.
I can’t say I know the salaries involved, but the UConn athletic department seems to be a much more successful and lucrative entity than Syracuse.
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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