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Teach Them Once and For All

I've been a daily reader of BSD for two years now.  I've learned a lot of things from my Penn State elders here, chief among them preventing myself from getting into pissing matches with Pitt fans. 

Before I discovered BSD, I was a regular reader and commenter on Mondesishouse.com, and popular Pittsburgh sports blog.  I routinely got into heated debates that headed no where before the good people of BSD taught me to pick my battles, and just say "24-7-1" and walk away.

However, I'm afraid not all of us Penn State fans have learned this lesson.  The other day, Mondesi linked over to a Pennlive article in order to take this shot at Penn State.

That got the blood going, so I fired off the following email.

"Dear Mondesi,
You may remember me.  I'm Adam the Penn State fan.  I once fanned the flames of the Pitt-Penn State "debate" on this site to great enjoyment.  However, as time has passed, I've grown more and more indifferent to Pitt and their fans.

You might ask why.

While I could go down the beaten path of records, statistics, and pro prospects to point out why Penn State is better, I'm not going to do that because it ultimately, those aren't the reasons I root for Penn State

Earlier this season, I dragged a Pitt fan friend of mine along with me to the Michigan game.  The three hour trip to Happy Valley was filled with light hearted banter and joking.  He didn't know what to expect.  Then we pulled into State College.  The town was alive.  Every single person was wearing blue and white.  My friend said to me "The only thing remotely like this was Old Pitt Stadium, but this is a much bigger scale.  Its the WHOLE TOWN.".  We grabbed some sandwhiches at Jimmy John's and worked our way to the stadium. 

We took him on a little tour on campus.  We pointed out Rec Hall, home of the nation's premier college volleyball program (Both the men and women are National Champions), the Nittany Lion Shrine, and Paterno Library.  Then we made the right onto Park Avenue when the next epihany occurred for him.  The blaze oragne valley came into full view, scores of cars parked in the grass fields.  Almost every one had a tent behind it with which to tailgate.  "Wow".

We got to our parking spot, and emerged from the car.  The crisp country air greeted us, a mix of manure and grill scents.  "That..." I said to him, "...is the smell of college football".  As far as the eye could see in three directions were tailgaters.  RVs were everywhere, each one with a pop out flat screen.  Thousands of footballs popped up in the air in front of us.  "I get it now" said the Pitt fan, and he hadn't even entered the stadium. 

We got into the stadium right as the Blue Band was starting the pregame show.  Unfortunately, the drum major missed the flip for the first time I can remember, AND the Blue Sapphire (head majorette) dropped the baton.  Nevertheless, the pregame show went on.  The Lions took the field to the "LETS...GO...P-S-U!" chant.  The Pitt fan was clearly impressed, but, the big moment didn't hit him until after the Lions were forced to punt on the first possession.

With Michigan setting up first and ten, the stadium errupted into a deafening roar as the defense took the field when the Pitt fan realized what he had gotten himself into.  "This is as good as it gets" he told me.

Fear not, Panther fan, my Pitt fan friend did not turn in his blue and gold that day, but he left with a clear understanding of what his school lacks.  It lacks the sleepy college town.  It lacks the mammoth football stadium on campus, routinely filled to capacity.  It lacks the beautiful natural enviornment.  It lacks the electricity of 110,000 people who live for Saturday afternoon. 

Penn State football is a lifestyle, more than just a three hour football game, and THAT more than anything is, is why Penn State has it on Pitt.

So, tell me again about 12-0, or beating Iowa this year.  I don't care.  We are the Greatest Show in College Football.

We Are Penn State.

Adam [edit]"

If you really want to win an argument with a Pitt fan, point to the passion of our fanbase before you rattle off a single statistic.  The bowl wins, the championships, the all-time greats are all things to cherish, but the fact that our school epitomizes what college football is supposed to be like is the most important thing of all.

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Great Letter

I think your letter very precisely describes why the atmosphere, not just the team or the game, makes Penn State football great. Beautiful work.

by psuAE on Dec 4, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Only question

why did you waste a perfectly good ticket on a Pitt fan?

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 5, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

Amen.

But at least he got “it”.

I took a Clemson fan to that game and he got “it”, as well.

"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler

by Stately NOVA Lion on Dec 5, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I can't think of any fan

that has actually experienced a Penn State football game and tailgate that didn’t at least respect it

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 5, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

My brother Bilo Pitt fan, he break his cage and GET this…

by Screen Name 20 on Dec 10, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

PENN STATE!!!

and that letter perfectly sums up why college football at Penn State is as good or better than anywhere else in the country.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 5, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome job

I’m definitely going to have to highlight this fact more often.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Dec 5, 2008 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

True - so True

My wife is an LSU alum and until she went to the OSU game in 2005 she didn’t understand how it could possibly better than death valley.

While she still prefers the sweltering south, she now understands that we take the whole gameday experience to a completely different level

by brubby on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Well done...

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Dec 5, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

lol

apparently he has to completely ignore all his friends that are Pitt fans, and can’t bring them along to a game, otherwise he can’t show indifference.

I’m fairly indifferent to crack addicts, but if I had a friend who was a crack addict I would probably try to get him some help as well.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 5, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome email

So well crafted. It’s something you can’t explain to some people I guess.

by PSUWifey on Dec 5, 2008 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Spot on, Fugi!

I feel like Cuba Gooding in Jerry Maguire, when he’s on Roy Firestone’s show and trying not to cry….’I’m not gonna cry, Roy, you’re not gonna get me to cry.’ Then he just breaks down and goes on a hugging rampage.

But now I’m more like Jimmy V, with no one to hug. My cubemates might get me arrested.

Viva la Penn State Football. Thanks for the awesome summary dude!

pax et amor

by jtothep on Dec 5, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

way to make our point, Pitt fans. I was perusing the comments section of the pennlive article that Mondesishouse references.

Posted by IH8PNST on 12/02/08 at 12:16PM
Here are some fun facts that people might not have realized about Pitt and PSU, and if any PSU fans dont believe me than just look it up.

Did you know that Pitt and PSU entered into the 2008 season with the same regular season records since 2000. Both teams were at 55-42 since 2000. Since 2000 Pitt has made 5 bowl appearances and PSU has only been to 4 bowl games. In that time both have made only one BCS bowl appearance. (PSU played a hog wash FSU team that was coming off 3 straight losses)

*So PSU fans can continue to talk crap, but if you look at the this decade it is possible that Pitt can finish better than PSU. *

I call this section on the rise and on the decline:

In the 90’s PSU went 97-26 with 10 straight bowl appearances. What a significant drop off. PSU is on pace to have its worse decade since the 50’s. when they had 62 wins. And you talk about Pittsburgh living in the past.

Pitt in the 90’s was 37-74-1 with only one bowl appearance. That is why Pitt fans are so excited about our future. Pitt is on pace to have one of its most consistance and successful decades, and join the 70’ and 80’s panthers with 70+ wins in a decade.

Oh yeah, one last tid bit, Pitt beat PSU 12 – 0 last time they played and Pitt beat Iowa this year.

Tell you the truth Id rather have this settled on the field, PLAY US!!!

So you’re saying that you “might” have a better record than Penn State this decade (but we all know that won’t actually happen), and this is one of Penn State’s worst decades, while it will be one of Pitt’s best decades. So even during your best and our worst you STILL probably won’t do better than us. Congrats on being mediocre, and thanks for doing the research to prove it (lord knows I wouldn’t have put forth the effort)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 5, 2008 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Dark years

There’s a reason we call the early part of this decade, “The Dark Years”. Has Pitt ever had a BCS game? If not, then we can point out we’ve turned around from The Dark Years, and are no going to be attending two BCS games in four years, not bad after all the sucking we did.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 6, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

pitt was in the BCS once

but instead of beating a “hogwash” FSU team they got taken down by Utah 35-7. I don’t know about anybody else but I’d rather win a game against a less than stellar team than smacked in the mouth by a, in all due respect, good non-BCS team.

by HookMania on Dec 6, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so sick

Of people throwing our record since 2000 in our face. Two years ago their record was blowing us out of the water. Last year they were slightly better. Now we’re tied. What does that tell you? This team is completely different from the team we fielded in the first half of this decade. It’s under different players, different coaches, and different philosophies. I can’t wait until 2010 when people start saying, “Well, if you take out the past five years, Penn State has a losing record since 2000.”

We’ve won two Big Ten Championships in four years. We’re riding a three and soon to be four Bowl game winning streak. They can’t even get a sellout in their own stadium unless West Virginians drive up from Morgantown. Penn State is back, and it drives Pitt nuts.

by BSD on Dec 5, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Amen.

It’s become a one-sided rivalry in my book. In my mind, there is nothing much differentiating Pittsburgh from Minnesota: schools in big cities with less than ideal tailgating, lots of old tradition but a spotty recent record and a spottier attendance numbers. At least when we play against the Gophers we get a bell – and they’re moving on campus next year too.

Tangentially, I’m optimistic about 2009 as well. Not to look too far ahead, but if we have 4 Big Ten championships in 16 years of Big Ten play the Dark Years shall be forgiven in my book.

by Cairo on Dec 5, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You said it Mike. . .

Penn State is back, and it drives Pitt nuts.

by The IC Lion on Dec 5, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Drives Pitt Nuts?...

Forget about pitt, how about Wisco, who now can’t look forward to a win every other year in Madison, or how about OSU, who can’t seem to beat a good team if their life depended on it. Make no mistake about it. Penn State is back, and not only should Pitt continue to keep their mouth shut and be scared, it should include the entire big ten being scared and having to worry about seeing state in their nightmares, but the nation as well. We’re back, and everyone should be worried

by Air Raid 84 on Dec 8, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

good post

I dont know how I missed it the first time, but I caught it after it was linked from Mondesishouse. The same thing happened to me this year. I took a kid how currently goes to Pitt to a game, and realized how different the two atmospheres actually were

by WPIALkid22 on Dec 5, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Some responses
Having Adam back in my blogging experience is the proverbial “turd in the punchbowl.”

And the one that proved my point:

Hey, I want to thank him for teaching me ‘once and for all’

That the air is a ‘mixture of manure and grill scents’ there?

Yum.

It’s funny, but I don’t see anywhere their own mascot was arrested just before that same Michigan State game.

Or the 61 Penn State members of the football team arrested since 2002. Where is the shrine for that?

Being a Pitt fan, nothing would impress me like a tour of where the volleyball teams in Happy Valley play. Thank God there wasn’t a tour of the Cross Country trail-who could handle all of that athletic excellence?

Funny that you can see the Bryce Jordan Center from Beaver Stadium, but it wasn’t mentioned? How could you pass up the basketball program that went 25-31 the past two years? I know, you probably didn’t have time and wanted to get to your seat in time to watch the drum major and his ‘flip’.

Your right. We Pitt fans are missing plenty that Penn State has to offer.

Thanks for the education.

To which I responded:

Ahhh…yes, reactions like that to a post that did not even say a bad word about Pitt indicate how jealous you truly are. All I did was describe the things that I feel make Penn State great, and you responded with the some pretty derogatory stuff, from calling me a “turd in a punchbowl”, to belittling the accomplishments of our athletic department’s other teams, who work just as hard as the football players.

Cynics.

Rather than counter with the things that make Pitt great, you felt compelled to tear down Penn State. Stay classy Pitt.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Dec 5, 2008 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Also

when mentioning sports… Penn State in Directors Cup. Womens volleyball .. NC, Mens Volleyball..NC.. top 5 in wrestling.. top 5 in fencing… B10 champions in W soccer.. B10 cahampions in FH.. i refuse to mention the 2008 WVB.. tourney time…

it has always been about the talking up of us.. not the talking down of them, whichever them it might be.

Oh yeah, the woman on BSD.. sound way hotter.

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Dec 5, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

couldnt resist

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Dec 5, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don't we just simply say....

Pitt is going for their FIRST 9 win season in 25 years….

….in that same stretch….PSU has won 9+ games 17 times.

Enough said.

Pitt is a MAC school and nothing more.

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Dec 5, 2008 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Pittsburgh Panther Football...

…where the crowd literally IS the 12th man!!

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Dec 5, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Why I hate Pitt

This summer, I was at a Pirates game. My little Honda Accord (with NJ license plates) was innocently parked in the lot across the street by the Marriott. When we left, what had to be the $hittiest baseball game I’ve ever witnessed in person, I found that my two PSU magnets were stolen off the back of my car. It goes to show the jealousy that the PItt fans have for us. If I saw a car w/ Pitt magnets, I would laugh and not waste my time stealing them. What a bunch of losers. Get a life, Panther fans. I won’t even bother teling you to get a football program – that’s an exercise in futility!!!

by PSU Jen on Dec 5, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

I Know What You're Talking About

Tomorrow (Saturday) my high school team is actually playing at State College in a PIAA playoff game (Bethel Park, GO HAWKS!). Anyway, some Pitt kids in on of my classes were said this week “Maaahhh, I’m gonna wear my Pitt stuff, but I’ll probably get shot”. I wasn’t in the conversation, but they yelled it so I could hear it. I just turned to them and said, “Um, no one will care, I hate to burst your bubble”.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Dec 6, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't Pitt have the same colors as Michigan?

Corn & blue or something like that. :)

Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany

by Elihu on Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hehehe

You really got to that Burgher guy, Adam. Dude seems about primed to stroke out.

Too bad you can’t post that beautiful ‘Yellow Out’ pic over there beside a shot of a Whiteout.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Pitt

Has a football team?

Just kidding. Somewhere I have a button from back in the day that says Shitt on Pitt. I was just a kid but wore it with pride! I think my dad had a t-shirt, or at least one of my uncles.

by letsgopsu on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Pitt

I am a big Penn St. football fan, but I don’t hate Pitt. I have put my hate over the years on teams that deserve it, like Notre Dame(for their elitist attitude), Miami(for being thugs and criminals), Nebraska in the 90’s(for getting 1.5 championships that they didn’t deserve and being a steroid and prison farm), and Florida(for Spurrier and Danny “limp arm” Wuerrfel, who has Jake Plummer’s 96 Heisman Trophy). Those schools deserve much more hate than Pitt does. I don’t like OU, either, but I want them to blast the effeminate Gators.

by PABroncofan on Dec 11, 2008 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

It's 3:30 am

And Michigan still sucks. It’s fine that the monkey is off our back but I’ll never get over Carr and his whining for those two seconds.

by MicrobrewPSU on Dec 14, 2008 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

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