Yeah, No Way Anyone Could Have Predicted These Results
by Kevin HD on Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM EST
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Nice, right? (Brought to you by ESPN, of course.)
There are two things I like about it:
- That Big Ten Country seems to have tired of Ohio State as well. If you take this exact same situation but switch the conferences each team is aligned with, I have a feeling those the Big XII and SEC states would be a lot more interested in voting along party lines than sharing their real feelings.
- That the state of Ohio doesn't care about anyone but themselves. Instead of being upset their conference isn't being represented in the BCS National Championship Game, they simply admit that they don't really care. Good for them, I guess.
And while it's easy to pile on here, I will defend the Buckeye to help create the appearance of balanced blogging:
A much better option than one that is a backhand jab at the Big Ten would be to suggest which team should have gone instead. So, rather than "Ohio State getting in", you could have said something like "Boise State not getting in" since they are the only real alternative option here. This is strikingly similar to last year's complaint about Illinois getting into the Rose Bowl. With the two per conference rule, the next best option was Boston College; a team that didn't have any legitimate reason to be picked ahead of the Zookers and would have probably met an equally embarrassing fate against USC.
An even better gripe might be "that Virginia Tech received an automatic bid" since they have, you know, twice as many losses as the Buckeyes.
But however you have to spin it is fine. And since ESPN is going to become a glorified MTV any day now it's all going to be irrelevant anyway.
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The right teams were picked for the MNC...
The problem happened last week when Ok was picked over Texas to go to the Big 12 Champ. Texas should have gone to the Big 12 Champ game and (Hopefully) beaten Missouri.
"For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled"- Hunter S. Thompson
by phishead_psu on Dec 9, 2008 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This only proves
That conference championship games cause more problems and confusion than they solve. It’s all about the $$$.
by millzners on Dec 9, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was no right answer
Yes, Texas beat Oklahoma, but Texas Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma beat Texas Tech.
If you had seeded the Big 12 “Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri” in a 4-team playoff, Oklahoma won. (OK/Mizzou=OK, UT/TT = TT, OK/TT = OK).
Of course, if you had seeded it differently (Texas, TT, OK, Missouri) you would’ve gotten Texas. That just shows you that there’s no right answer, and that playoffs don’t always produce a single “best” team.
Though, curiously, I do agree with you. I think Texas has had a more impressive year.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Dec 9, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But here is my biggest problem
and to be honest I’m really tired of talking about this. But…
Say the Sooners don’t destroy TT, call it a 12 point, hard fought game. So now you can’t count out TT because you think they are still very good, plus they lost on the road, and Texas can’t say “45-35”.
That’s not what happened, though, the Sooners dominated the team that beat Texas. And because of how well they performed, they knock TT out of the discussion and all of the sudden lose de facto to Texas? That doesn’t flow logically at all.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kneel Before Zug!
I hope for your sake the mighty Zug is feeling merciful when he reads your comment.
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Zug
for fear of his retributrion for getting slighted in this poll.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he already has a town named after him:
We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley
by psu on Dec 9, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and a see
We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley
by psu on Dec 9, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lake Zug
It sure is picturesque, isn’t it?
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The most beautiful thing these eyes have ever seen.
Even more beautiful than The Whiteout for Notre Dam 2007.
by Ab4PSU on Dec 10, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what you don't realize
is that that isn’t snow on all those hills. It is Penn State faithful wearing their white, and getting as close to Zug as they dare.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I fell in the damn lake and because it is zug lake,
it turned out to be yuengling, delicious.
We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley
by psu on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how it starts
a town here, a town there and all of a sudden it’s his world and you’re just living in it…
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're already beyond that
He already has his own Swiss state.
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has his own country now!
Zug has seceded from Switzerland. I read that, uh, somewhere.
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zug, indivisible
Zug is not subdivided into smaller districts. There are, of course, towns within Zug; the capital of Zug is Zug, Zug.
Here is a view of a beautiful sunset over Lake Zug from Zug, Zug:
by Aaron PSU on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know it's his state..
Their official coat of arms appears to be Blue n White in color. Cooincidence?? I think not!
by MicrobrewPSU on Dec 9, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unstoppable Zuggarnaut!!
Seriously, I’d take an all-Zug team over those pansies playing for Florida any day of the week.
Someone get their PS3 and NCAAF 2008 out and make that happen — then simulate the game for me. I’d like to know the results.
by millzners on Dec 9, 2008 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's still simulating the Coastal Carolina game
The Zug’s are up 144-0 in the 3rd Qtr. Regardless of the score, they have been going for 2 the whole game….and converting every time.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GRAHAM ZUG FACT:
Even if you don’t vote for him, Graham Zug still receives your vote!
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another Zugfact....
If Graham Zug has 2 dollars and you have 2 dollars, Graham Zug has more money than you.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Zug tackles you
he get credit for 2.5 tackles, 1 for a loss.
Oh, nevermind….I was thinking of Laura Nitis.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 9, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham Zug once visited a sorority and impregnated every female there...
Then the 1972 Dolphins were born.
All hail Zug!
"We are Penn State. We are not normal. We are Legends." - Deon Butler
by Stately NOVA Lion on Dec 9, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I propose...
…that a ZUG thread is started. Then we can place all our Zugamania there. Would be cool to watch it grow until next season. Just a thought…
"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."
by Touchdown on Dec 9, 2008 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
GRAHAM ZUG FACT:
If a thread is devoted exclusively to Graham Zug, the internet will actually explode.
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham Zug
would not let that happen. He would delete the internet and create a new and perfect internet called the zugernet. Here’s BSD’s new address….http://www.blackshoediaries.zug
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Mere thoughts about Zug would permeate every other thread anyway.
Something happened with your link; I updated it: http://www.blackshoediaries.com
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
The Zug must not have had the (dot) zug web address working yet.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
arrrggh
I meant to include the dot zug… efff, I effed it. sorry dude…..
Updated here again: http://www.blackshoediaries.zug
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 9, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zugernet
I for one welcome our not Zugernet overlord.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 9, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
We sure are digging deep for the obscure Simpsons references today, aren’t we?
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, wow.
That’s Brockman but not sure what episode.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Deep Space Homer"
Hail Ants!
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thread published
Zug help us.
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GRAHAM ZUG FACT:
When taking the Wonderlic, write “Graham Zug” for each answer. You will score a 50.
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In addition to his own city and see,
He also has his own island
pax et amor
by jtothep on Dec 9, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One time
Graham Zug stomped his foot, and the entire state of Michigan has been separated by that damn lake ever since.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 9, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Colors
I’m surprised (a little) that Pennsylvania and California aren’t blue as well.
by Laaaaazzz on Dec 9, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zug help us all
I read this comment twice, trying to figure out what it had to do with Graham Zug. Then I remembered what started this thread…
There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
Does anyone within the SBN use the polls for serious reasons? Don’t see why anyone would want/need to, but I was just wondering.
At least our polls are more meaningful than those from the Worldwide Leader in Shorts….
by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Serious reasons"?
As if Zug isn’t a serious reason. Shame.
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be honest
Not only did Zug know that this poll would be created, he knows the final results before we even knew how we were going to vote.
(And I voted for Zug, but he already knew that….)
by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For all our sake...
let’s hope that the Zug does not read your comment…
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Zug for obvious reasons
but my preferred option to vote for would have been more along the lines of “Wrong teams in the Championship game”. it Isn’t that I think Florida and Oklahoma are the wrong teams, it is just that I don’t think that Alabama, Texas, USC, Penn State, Texas Tech, or Utah are the wrong teams either, and are just as deserving.
If only we had a way to take 8 teams and figure out which one was deserving of a championship…
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 9, 2008 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zug would win
JoePa for governor
by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Complaining, complaining
Honest, simple truth: if people want to see more of Boise State, they should watch them during the regular season more.
The reason that Ohio State gets in and Boise State doesn’t is simple: because the BCS conferences have a larger draw, more money, and more influence at the negotiations with the networks than the non-BCS ones. Especially the WAC.
If people want to see Boise State, Utah, Ball State, etc., they should watch those teams during the year. They don’t. They watch teams like Ohio State, Notre Dame (well, kindof), USC, Penn State, Texas, etc.
So it’s really kindof funny that people are complaining now that Ohio State is on, because they watched them plenty earlier in the season.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Dec 9, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The thing is
people don’t want to see Boise, they just want to bitch about OSU.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 9, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
And it’d make me feel oh-so-worse for OSU if they stopped crapping the bed in big games.
Seriously, I keep trying to tell people – Tressel’s a heck of a recruiter but an awful coach, and it was only sheer luck that they won an NC in the first place. He’s like a slightly better Lloyd Carr.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that sorta illustrates one of the "problems" with college football
it is as much of a popularity contest as an actual competitive sport
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2008 7:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, my biggest gripe
Is that Ohio State and Utah should be swapped. The non-championship bowls are just for fun and making money anyhow (because although you can make a pretty legit case that there’s no reason to believe Oklahoma and Florida are any better than USC and Penn State, there’s virtually no chance USC or Penn State can come out of the game with an AP title, even after Florida and Oklahoma put on the expected 80% speed Big 12 South game), so putting Utah in the game where they’ll draw the best (the Fiesta) ought to be obvious.
And with Boise only marginally ahead of the Buckeyes in the BCS rankings (because, well, Ohio State only lost to a pair of one-loss major conference champions), and a much worse draw for TV and fans, I just don’t think they’ve got a case. They might have a better case for a playoff spot in an 8-team playoff than Ohio State, but not for a bowl bid.
by drothgery on Dec 9, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bowl placements
Actually, Texas Tech should be in a BCS game instead of Ohio State, if we want to really talk about what’s fair.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or
If you want “fair”, wipe out conference tie-ins so a 4 loss ACC team doesn’t get into a BCS bowl ahead of an undefeated or 1 loss team.
BUT I DON’T HEAR ANYONE BITCHING ABOUT THAT. NOOOOO, IT’S OSU’S FAULT.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Dec 9, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is OSU's fault
It’s a safe bet that most things wrong in the world come from Columbus, Ohio. Those that don’t, come from Ann Arbor.
I'm too country for Terrelle Pryor.
by NewJackCity on Dec 9, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Removing the conference tie-ins is a great way to improve the BCS.
Just have the top 10 teams, regardless of conference, play in the 5 bcs games. I don’t know about you, but I’m sure BSU and TT are really looking forward to watching the Cincinnati (11-2) vs. Virginia Tech (8-4) Orange Bowl.
by NJ lion on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they perhaps have an argument for being more deserving
but the 2 team per conference limit exists for a reason.
1) it would be boring if every BCS game had a team from the same conference (especially if that conference turned out to be weaker than perceived)
2) that conference could actually be very weak, which allowed more than 3 teams to look spectacular while playing in it
of course if the teams really are the best 3, then you could have some great games. Think of the 2 team limit as hedging their bets
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2008 7:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
- nails it on the head.
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
by HolyBuckeye on Dec 10, 2008 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was supposed to say number 2 nails it on the head…not sure what happened
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
by HolyBuckeye on Dec 10, 2008 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the auto formatting
quite handy for the most part, but unfortunately backfires sometimes, like when you start a line off with something like # 2 it interpretes that as “numbered list”, and for some reason deletes the number following it and defaults to normal numerical ordering.
Another common error is when people do the excited OMG!!!!1111oneoneone111 but put another exclamation point somewhere after the first grouping. The auto formatting uses two exclamation marks surrounding a link to display whatever picture that link points to. Since generally 111oneone11 isn’t a link, it gives an error, like so. OMG111
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2008 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one actually wants "fair",
we want our teams/ conferences represented in the BCS games while every other conference suffers in the Champs Sports bowl.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Dec 9, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol, that's probably actually true for the most part
or at least for teams that are ranked behind non-BCS teams ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder where the breakdown by county was from PA.
I didn’t see this poll or I would have definately voted like any other Nittany Lion fan. Depending on sample size they could have gotten Pitt fans which would have changed the total results of this poll. So easily skewed that its worthless.
by Rockin on Dec 9, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lackawanna County voted along party lines.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Dec 9, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Patience, people.
Zug will fix all the bowl problems.
by Ab4PSU on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last year's Rose Bowl
A much better option than one that is a backhand jab at the Big Ten would be to suggest which team should have gone instead. So, rather than “Ohio State getting in”, you could have said something like “Boise State not getting in” since they are the only real alternative option here. This is strikingly similar to last year’s complaint about Illinois getting into the Rose Bowl. With the two per conference rule, the next best option was Boston College; a team that didn’t have any legitimate reason to be picked ahead of the Zookers and would have probably met an equally embarrassing fate against USC.
I beg to differ. The best option (that didn’t involve the Rose Bowl negotiating some sort of deal with other BCS bowls) would have put USC up against West Virginia, Kansas, or Missouri. That would likely have put either the Big 12 #2 team or WVU in the Orange against VT (whichever one wasn’t in the Rose), Arizona State against Oklahoma in the Fiesta (Illinois and BC being the only other options, assuming they didn’t want Hawaii), and left the Georgia-Hawaii Sugar as-is (a train wreck that everyone saw coming, but almost guaranteed by BCS selection rules).
by drothgery on Dec 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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