Spring Is In The Air
Today is the start of Penn State's spring practice. To the college football junkie this is like taking a whiff of second hand smoke off the crack pipe. It's a time for hope and debate, but nothing gets settled on the field and at the end of the 15 allotted practices you just find yourself wanting more. Hopefully, if Joe Paterno woke up in a good mood today, we'll get a press conference this afternoon and a lot of our questions will be answered. But don't count on it. With Joe's future and contract situation up in the air and half the defense residing in the doghouse I suspect the program will be on lockdown until opening day. And if we do get a press conference I'm sure every question will be answered with some version of "Aw heck, I dunno guys."
So since spring practice is always full of more questions than answers, here are the five biggest questions BSD sees on the board this year in no particular order.
What is the linebacker situation?
In 2006 Paul Posluszny moved from outside linebacker to the middle. In 2007 Dan Connor made the switch to middle linebacker. Could it be Sean Lee's turn in 2008?
The idea is floating around out there, but nobody can confirm or deny it. You need a strong leader in the middle who can diagnose plays and call them out to the defense. Lee certainly fits this bill, but the question is would he be best suited there? And who would replace him on the outside?
Tyrell Sales and Navorro Bowman are both in Paterno's doghouse which puts us a little bit thin on experience if they don't play. We have a ton of young talent with Nate Stupar, Andrew Dailey, Mike Zordich, and Mike Mauti, but only Josh Hull and Bani Gbadyu have any experience. On the inside we have Chris Colasanti who cracked the two deep lineup late last year and saw considerable playing time. Everyone agrees he has the football smarts and the athletic ability to make a major contribution this year. So I'm thinking it makes sense to leave Lee on the outside and name Colasanti the starter on the inside. Josh Hull played admirably last year when Sales and Bowman both went down, so I'm completely comfortable with him on the field. I think this gives us the best set of linebackers we can get on the field until Bowman comes back.
Who is going to step up to provide depth in the secondary?
Justin King is gone. Knowledge Timmons and Willie Harriott can't seem to stay out of the doghouse. That means A.J. Wallace is now the man responsible for stopping the opponent's best receiver. Lydell Sargeant will play the opposite corner after starting most of last year before losing his job to Wallace. But who will claim the #2 spots behing these guys? And who will play the nickel? Devin Fentress? Drew Astorino? Don't be surprised to see true freshman D'Anton Lynn seeing considerable playing time early. I almost wish we still had Brendan Perretta hanging around. Almost.
The situation at safety isn't much better. Anthony Scirrotto is locked in as a starter at Hero. Tony Davis will most likely line up at free safety, but he has trouble staying healthy. He platooned there with Mark Rubin last year. Rubin is a converted wide receiver. He's a good hitter and tackler, but I question his top end and change of direction speeds. All three of these guys are seniors playing in their final year. So somebody needs to step up as credible backups this spring.
By all accounts redshirt freshman Nick Sukay is making decent strides behind Scirrotto. This will be an important spring for him to establish his place in the pecking order. At the other safety all eyes will be on redshirt freshman Chaz Powell. But I suspect we'll see a few more bodies moved over to the secondary from the offense to boost depth.
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How's that rehab coming?
Penn State was ravished by injuries last year. Devon Still had to have reconstructive knee surgery before the season started. Jared Odrick had his season end prematurely on a broken ankle against Indiana. Jerome Hayes went down with an ACL tear. Lou Eliades sat out most of the year with a foot injury. Chimaeze Okoli Quinn Barham suffered a season ending broken ankle on the scout team. (Ed. note - My bad!) Tom McEowen suffered a knee injury last spring and was never 100%. All of these guys will be counted on to come back and make major contributions in 2008. It's important they do so. And it's important we not beat ourselves up too much this spring and emerge as healthy as possible.
Who will claim the #2 running back spot?
Evan Royster is the odds on favorite to win the starting job after an impressive freshman year where he carried the ball 82 times for 513 yards and 5 TD in backing up Rodney Kinlaw. But you have to question his durability after sitting out a few games with nagging injuries like thigh bruises and ankle sprains. That's why it's important that someone step up as a viable second option to rest Royster and keep him fresh.
Brent Carter appears the logical choice. He was called in to duty against Michigan State when both Kinlaw and Royster went down. On the final drive he carried the ball three times for 23 yards before Jay Paterno and Anthony Morelli decided we needed to take the ball away from him and try to throw it into the endzone. It probably cost us the game. Not that I'm bitter or anything. Ok, maybe I'm still a little bit bitter. The point is that Carter looked good in the role.
But keep an eye out for Stephfon Green. The former high school track star reportedly lit up the first team defense in his time on the scout team last year. The coaches thought long and hard about burning his redshirt last year when Austin Scott was suspended and the injuries to Kinlaw and Royster started to pile up. But when it became obvious that 2007 was going to be a disappointing year they decided to build for the future instead of risking injury to the freshman. Now he's had an off season to grasp the play book and put on some pounds in the weight room. Look for Green to make an immediate impact in 2008.
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What was the other thing again?
Help me out here. There was one other thing. What was it? Dammit. I hate when I can't remember things. Oh yeah. That's right. The QUARTERBACK SITUATION.
This spring should feature our first open quarterback competition in nearly a decade (we're not calling it a "quarterback controversy" yet). Daryll Clark and Pat Devlin will be fighting it out to replace Anthony Morelli at the helm.
Clark served as the backup last year completing 6-of-9 passes for 31 yards. He's a dual threat quarterback as he proved in the Alamo Bowl rushing 6 times for 50 yards and a touchdown. He's a thick player standing 6'2" and 232 lbs in the mold of Michael Robinson. But some say he lacks the speed to be an electrifying homerun threat like a Michael Vick or Steve Slaton. What observers say is Clark's real strength is his presence in the huddle and command of the team. But then the observers said the same thing about Anthony Morelli too. Though this time the confidence doesn't seem as fabricated to me.
Pat Devlin was a high school phenomenon in southeastern Pennsylvania where he set state records for passing. Angels blew their trumpets in central Pennsylvania the day he decommitted from Miami to play for Penn State. But then we all know what happened the last time the Nittany Lions got the best quarterback prospect in the state. So, yeah. Thus far Devlin has been quietly lurking on the sidelines much like Morelli did his first two years. He has one career pass attempt that fell harmlessly to the turf against Florida International. Other than that nobody has seen him do anything other than hand the ball off to Brent Carter against Temple. But the ever suspicious "internet rumors" suggest he's got a cannon arm and clearly throws the ball better than Clark.
So the main question becomes which guy is better suited for Jay Paterno's new "Spread HD" offense? Question 1a is how come these guys didn't see more playing time last year? How great can these guys be if they couldn't push Morelli for playing time? If Clark is a natural leader and Pat Devlin could hit a pimple on Charlie Weis' ass from 80 yards away, why were we forced to ride the Morelli train right over the cliff? It's becoming a real pet peeve of mine how Jay Paterno and this coaching staff repeatedly refuse to develop these quarterbacks before they are named the starters.
It should be an interesting spring as always.
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Does not compute
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"If Clark is a natural leader and Pat Devlin could hit a pimple on Charlie Weis' ass from 80 yards away, why were we forced to ride the Morelli train right over the cliff? It's becoming a real pet peeve of mine how Jay Paterno and this coaching staff repeatedly refuse to develop these quarterbacks before they are named the starters."
by M1EK on Mar 24, 2008 12:13 PM EDT 0 recs
The thing that bothers me the most is when
1. Validate that the coaching staff made the
right decision naming Morelli the starter.
2. Validate that Jay knows what the fuck he's
doing.
Whatever it was, the coaching staff accomplished neither. Is there any logical explanantion why a program of our so-called elite stature can only produce one NFL quarterback per decade?
by Ab4PSU on Mar 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Morelli
This isnt baseball, where some teams are way out of it in the 2nd half and bring up young guys in September to help them with experience. Its college football, where the difference between 9-3/8-4 and 7-5/6-6 is huge. Would you like to have seen Devlin blow it in a tight game with Purdue? I didn't think so.
Yes, they both should have seen significant time against Temple, and didn't, but I'm not going to blame what they do this season on not getting reps last year in the games.
by fugimaster24 on
Mar 24, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Temple
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Personally,
by Ab4PSU on
Mar 24, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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When was the last time Miami put a guy in the NFL that was any good? Seriously, it was Bernie Kosar.
Rex Grossman is making Florida proud. Florida State?
Michigan has had good one (although they thought Drew Henson was better) and a couple of duds.
Ohio State? I guess Troy Smith got off the scout team for a game or two last year, and I'm sure Krentzel's and Hoying's success in the NFL was inspirational to him.
USC? I'll spot you Palmer (exactly one trip to the playoffs), but Leinert still has some work to do. Booty's going nowhere, but don't forget about Rodney Peete.
Texas? Vince Young and who?
Shit, even with BYU you have to go back to Jim McMahon and Steve Young before you get anything but a carrier journeyman/back up out of them.
Name a school that has put three quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl in the last 25 years. Seriously, try.
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Michigan:
Tom Brady 2007
Brian Griese 2000
Elvis Grbac 2000
Jim Harbaugh 1995
Washington:
Marc Brunell 1999
Chris Chandler 1998
Warren Moon 1997
Boston College:
Matt Hasselbeck 2007
Doug Flutie 1998
Maryland:
Boomer Esiason 1993
Neil O'Donnell 1992
Notre Dame:
Steve Beuerlein 1999
Joe Montana 1993
UCLA:
Troy Aikman 1996
Steve Bono 1995
Miami:
Vinny Testaverde 1998
Jim Kelly 1992
West Virginia:
Marc Bulger 2006
Jeff Hostetler 1994
Sorry, didn't bother going back 25 years since I found two instances (Michigan, Washington) to refute your point after going back 8 years and 11 years.
by jerryyng on
Mar 24, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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I guess I spoke too soon.
While you didn't go back 25 years on the Pro Bowl appearances, you did go pretty far back in time to support your position. Warren Moon, Doug Flutie and Jim Kelly all played in the USFL. Joe Montana played at Notre Dame in the 1970's, Steve Beuerlein graduated in 1987. Jeff Hostetler went to Penn State in the late 1970's before he transferred to WVU because he couldn't get on the field.
Your going to go with Vinny Testeverde as an NFL success story? Be my guest, but Pro Bowl or not Steve Beuerlein, Brian Griese, Elvis Grbac and Steve Bono were not/are not anything more than a competent back-up journeyman who might win a couple of games for you.
You're right about the Pro Bowl thing, I didn't look it up. But if that list is the best you can do I think you proved my point.
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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No where in my post did I suggest that Vinny Testaverde was an NFL success story. However, Vinny did make two pro bowls and took his team to the AFC championship game which is more than I can say for a lot of other Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks.
Based on the data, you are now suggesting that using the Pro Bowl criteria is not an effective measuring stick in determining if certain schools are better at developing quarterbacks.
So what other criteria would you like to use?
How about most quarterbacks drafted in the past 20 years? Penn State has had 3 (Kerry Collins, Wally Richardson, Tony Sacca). MRob is not included since he wasn't drafted to play quarterback. Can you name any other perennial top 25 school that has had fewer quarterbacks drafted in the past 20 years than Penn State?
by jerryyng on
Mar 25, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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Top 25 programs without quarterbacks
How about Nebraska.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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The battle versus the war
My point was not that Penn State is a quarterback factory. My point was that there is no quarterback factory.
If I'm wrong then who is;
Washington? Warren Moon graduated in 1978, that's 30 years ago.
Michigan? They played Drew Henson over Tom Brady! If that's not clueless what is?
Miami? I was right, not one decent quarterback since Bernie Kosar in 1984. That is unless you want to take up Vinnie's case, and even then it's 1986 [snicker].
Notre Dame? Not one good quarterback since 1987, and that's if you count Steve fracking Buerline. It's a full generation ago if you don't.
Use whatever criteria you want to determine what a good NFL quarterback is, but get back to me when Elvis Grbac, Vinnie Testerverde and Chris Chandler aren't on the list anymore.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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You'll notice that I didn't include Eric Crouch or Scott Frost since neither of them were drafted as a quarterback.
Nebraska was a good guess though. Nice try.
by jerryyng on
Mar 25, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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Ummm...
Your still missing, or simply not addressing, my point. Or is your answer that Nebraska is a quarterback factory?
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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As most people know, Nebraska has traditionally employed a run oriented offense. Therefore, very few elite high school passers have attended Nebraska which would explain the lack of NFL caliber quarterbacks to come out of Nebraska in the past 20 years.
I completely understand the point you are making and I would have to agree with you. There are no schools with a history of consistently producing NFL quarterbacks.
But let's take a step back for a second and ask a different question. Are there any schools with a history of developing good college quarterbacks? There are a few that come to mind (USC, Florida, Michigan) but I definitely wouldn't include Penn State on that list.
by jerryyng on
Mar 25, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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Why not?
Since 1979 Penn State has had two quarterbacks win the Maxwell Award (Chuck Fusina and Kerry Collins) Todd Blackledge won a National Title and was a first round draft pick, Tony Sacca was a top five/ten draft pick, and so was Kerry Collins. Wally Richardson and Kevin Thompson both were serviceable starters and had a cup coffee in the NFL. Michael Robinson is a stud, if the NFL can't figure out how to use him it's their fault not ours.
That's seven guys. Not counting Shaffer who was a game manager who lost one game in two seasons, and Morelli who is going to get a look this year at some NFL camp and who made his own bed after having every chance to be successful.
Once you get it out of your head that by going to Miami or Michigan you are guaranteed to be a success in the NFL, selling Penn State's quarterback tradition gets a lot easier. We've had our share of good quarterbacks over the years, you can get to the NFL through State College.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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Again, check your facts.
by jerryyng on
Mar 25, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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No Shit
I really just write a lot of this stuff off the top of my head. I am generally just trying to make a point, which I think I did. You can agree with it or not at your leisure.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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I enjoyed the debate.
by jerryyng on
Mar 25, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Tony Sacca
The coach said, "Well, that's the ball we play with, son."
Tony didn't make it in the NFL. Too bad too b/c he was always my favorite PSU quarterback.
by Mike on
Mar 25, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Maybe If.......
Only twice in the last 13 years has Penn State's scoring offense outranked its scoring defense. And more often than not (see the last 5 years) they aren't even close to each other.
Off. Def.
2007 45 7
2006 72 9
2005 13 10
2004 109 5
2003 99 30
2002 13 11
2001 82 65
2000 81 54
1999 18 25
1998 48 12
1997 22 37
1996 30 13
by ech2os on
Mar 25, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Great Points Jesse...
by BlueWhiteLife on
Mar 26, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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And I forgot to mention that:
by Ab4PSU on Mar 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs
This is how Penn State does it for years
by Mike on
Mar 24, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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Yeah, but
by Ab4PSU on
Mar 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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M-Rob
BTW....Thought Guman scored in 1979....I know a lot of people still argue about that loss to this day!
by pic15 on
Mar 24, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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1979
I need a drink.
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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Burkhardt and Shaffer did two things that
by Ab4PSU on
Mar 24, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Shaffer's score...
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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the second score
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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Right.
by Ab4PSU on
Mar 24, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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Oh...
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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66-1
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 24, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Shaffer
The entire off season after the Orange Bowl, the very notable one in the 66 and one, There was a controversy, not situation, about who should start the 1986 season Shaffer, or wait for it...Matt Kizner.
Paterno did not name a starter after spring practice, after pre-season drills, or indeed until the week of the Temple game. Kizner even played in the Temple game despite the fact that Shaffer was sharp. There were headlines which anointed Kizner "The People's Choice".
It's a cautionary tale. Surely by the end of last season Daryl Clark was the "The People's Choice", just like Morelli was in 2004. Unfortunately, the people usually don't know what they are talking about.
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Well...
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 25, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
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"The People's Choice"
I was in the Kizner camp myself, I was 10, I was stupid, but I wasn't alone. That's my whole point. "The back up quarterback is better" is the most sophomoric argument in football. That doesn't mean it's always wrong, it just usually is. I learned that lesson when I was 10, and it has served me well for more than 20 years. Kizner wasn't better than Shaffer; Morelli wasn't better than Mills; and I doubt very much that Devlin was better than Morelli. If he was, he would have played.
That's where I was going with the post. I wasn't trying to restart the Kizner Shaffer debates of Spring 1986.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
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Cool
Anyway, I get your point now, Jesse. Sorry for misconstruing things before, man.
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 25, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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Is Shaffer paying you?
by pic15 on
Mar 25, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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23-1
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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W-L record
by pic15 on
Mar 25, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Look...
More recently, you said, "our running game and defense got us through the 1986 season". I have news for you, dude. Our running game and defense got us through the 2006 and 2007 seasons as well... and we wound up with 9-4 records. Why? Shaffer was a competent leader and Morelli was an incapable suckass. That's a big part of it, anyway.
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 25, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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To be fair
Penn State's defense in 1986 was supernatural, it wasn't simply good, or even great, it was touched by the hand of god. They should have lost to Cincinnati (blocked punt in the fourth quarter), Maryland (long interception return while trailing 15-10 and a stopped two point conversion attempt on the last play of the game) and Notre Dame (sack and tipped pass on the last drive), but at the instant the game appeared lost they made a play. Not just any play either, like some crazy oil-painting play. That was just to get into the Miami game.
In the intervening 22 years we have had better offenses, and in my mind, more talented defenses. But I would put forth that no defense before or since ever made more big plays with the game on the line that Penn State's did in 1986.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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True
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 25, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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We may not have gone undefeated with
by Ab4PSU on
Mar 26, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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The 86 defense....
by pic15 on
Mar 25, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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Fine...
Morelli the clueless
Morelli the visionless
Morelli the immobile
Morelli, the fumbling, bumbling, etc., etc.
DUDE!!!!! Really?
by BSM PSU 93 on
Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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Shaffer's Orange Bowl numbers....
Knizer struggled his senior year....but he didn't have the same team. Most of the starters on the 1986 squad were 5th year seniors who decided to stay because Shaffer F*d up the Orange Bowl!
by pic15 on
Mar 25, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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Is Kizner paying you?
1987 wasn't too bad; lost to Alabama (Kizner got knocked out with a concussion, we'd have lost anyway), got crushed by Syracuse (48-21, Don McPherson) and shut out by Pitt (Curtis Martin & and that fat guy...Ironhead Hayward).
Then we went to the Citrus Bowl and got buried by Clemson, but that was the year Blair Thomas blew out his knee in bowl practice, which in turn killed the 1988 season...
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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1987-88
Conlan, Gifto, Dozier, Smith, etc. all graduated.
by pic15 on
Mar 25, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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I was teasing...
1988 was tough because [1] we lost Blair Thomas who was really great; [2] we lost two quarterbacks in the Rutgers game (which we lost, ouch) so we had to play a freshman (who eventually turned into Tony Sacca); and [3] we played a killer schedule - games at both Notre Dame and WVU (Major Harris is still the best player I've ever seen in person) who played for the National Title. We also played at Alabama and home against Syracuse who was 10-2.
I don't think there was anything Gary Brown could have done in 1988. He did strip the ball from Ty Detmer and return it for a touchdown against BYU in the 1989 Holiday Bowl though.
by jesse. on
Mar 25, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Mills
by PSU Nick on
Mar 24, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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Quarterback
[1] Transition from fifth year seniors to fourth year juniors; and
[2] Routs, lots and lots of routs; where the aforementioned players got their reps for two seasons.
Prior to the Big Ten, PSU was usually a comfortable favorite at least 8 weeks a year, that's clearly not the case anymore. The games are tougher, and when you get one in hand you want it to end.
If you look at it, there was not a ton of garbage time this year. Florida International was an extension of spring practice; the starters needed the reps there. Buffalo and Notre Dame were "games" headed into the fourth quarter. You can't really let up on Iowa or Wisconsin, and the Temple game was much closer than the score indicated.
With the exception of FIU, I don't think that we played one game last year that our second team would have won easily, and it took the first team at least three quarters to finish off everybody we played.
by jesse. on Mar 24, 2008 3:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Wrong
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n20_v218/ai_15924171
he was even slated to start in 1992!
" The confidence comes from having his health back. He was supposed to be Penn State's starter in 1992, but he fractured his right index finger in a volleyball game days before preseason camp. He missed more than half that season and then spring practice in 1993 after he reinjured the finger in a humiliating loss to Stanford in the Blockbuster Bowl.
Collins is also relaxed, after experiencing a quarterback controversy between him and John Sacca last year. Sacca began the '93 season as the starter, but Collins replaced him in the third game and Sacca subsequently left school and transferred to Eastern Kentucky. Both have strong-willed personalities, and they could not have co-existed for another season.
"I think confidence is a big key," ABC-TV analyst and former quarterback Bob Griese says. "You can tell he's been around there for a while. He's made all of his mistakes when he was younger. He had that competition with Sacca. Now the job is his and he knows it."
Collins offered a glimpse of the future with a strong finish last season. He single-handedly brought Penn State back from a 20-point deficit to beat Michigan State, 38-37, for its greatest comeback victory in 28 years and then outdueled Heisman runner-up Heath Shuler of Tennessee in the Citrus Bowl."
by M1EK on Mar 24, 2008 4:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Paterno playing favorites
I think we can all agree that Joe is an old school guy, evident from always playing upper classmen and constant references to his Italian heritage. These two ingredients caused Joe to constantly back Morelli when it was obvious he was a below average quarterback.
I'm not blaming Morelli. He had the arm to be a great QB, but his decision making was atrocious, which could have been b/c JayPa was his mentor.
This is just a simple case of an old man too stubborn to give up on a fellow Italian was just not good enough to make it big.
by Stately NOVA Lion on Mar 24, 2008 5:21 PM EDT 0 recs
You could be on to something.
by jesse. on
Mar 24, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
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Devlin is an Irish surname....
This must be real tough for Joe to decide between a Black QB and an Irish QB....guess Cianciolo really does have a legitimate chance to play.
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