Dorian Bell
Dorian Bell, a top 25 recruit from Gateway HS, outside of Pittsburgh, commited to Ohio State earlier today. It is a small article, but it could be found at
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08112/875261-100.stm
It would have been nice to see him here, but if there's one position that we have a blue-chipper turning us down it would be linebacker. The 6-foot-1, 215-pound linebacker turned down a list of schools that include Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia and Florida State. Gateway also has a talented receiver in Corey Brown, so we'll see how that affects his recruiting. Justin King was the last player we got from that school, with kids like Cam Saddler, Bell, and Shane Hale keeping us in their top five then picking other schools
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So what
Well, if that's your attitude, then sorry. Penn State probably isn't for you anyway. He's looking for a place he can step in and play right away without much effort. I guess Tressel promised him what he wanted. But if that's his attitude then OSU can have him as far as I'm concerned.
by BSD on Apr 21, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And we already had 3 linebackers commit last year
by PSU Nick on Apr 22, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So What?
This is disastrous. The best players in Pennsylvania are going out of their way to not play for PSU. No other major program is having the same problem. Not one.
by TRW88 on Apr 22, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.......
I agree with you by the way. Teams that get guys to commit despite being loaded are the ones that "reload" and don't "rebuild".
Get ready for an onslaught of responses to your post talking about how over rated recruiting is and that our 4 stars are higher character than their 4 stars. Its fairly predictable.
by ech2os on Apr 22, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ready to hear how recruiting is overrated.
It seems like FL, TX, LSU, USC and Ohio State, etc., think it's pretty important. You know, top calibre programs.
They can talk, they shoot for national championships while we think competeting for third place in the Big 10 is a reasonable expectation.
by TRW88 on Apr 22, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting
These sites are merely an educated guess at how this kid, strong emphasis on kid, is going to develop over the next 4 years. The 40 times, the bench press, etc are all great for getting a rough idea, but they don't tell you half the picture.
We can't completely base our faith in the program on how well Rivals/Scouts says we did in the offseason. To do so would be to accept their criteria as THE standard, whenever their job is to simply sell subscriptions. We need to judge our recruiting classes on the Penn State standard, which does include the physical tangibles but a lot of the intangibles as well.
Remember, Rivals listed Poz and Tony Hunt as 3 star recruits and they turned out to be the rocks of our defense and offense before heading to the NFL. Maybe we can defy Rivals again this year with DC (another 3 star).
by 06Lion on Apr 22, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great talent.....
I have to remind everyone who buys into the recruiting website BS.....Stefon Green was a two star player and now he is being touted as the second coming. BTW....Poz and Lee were only three star recruits out of high school....so I think the coaching staff KNOWS what it is doing when it offers kids (and they did offer Bell). Backer is not a big need for us this year. DBs, WRs and QBs are the big needs. IF we pull in the requisite number of quality kids to fill those positions we will be fine! Judging from the Blue/White game, 08 has the opportunity to be a special year. Realistically this could be one of the best PSU defenses ever if the DBs step up. Let's keep the negativity to a minimum and get excited about 08!
by pic15 on Apr 22, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always loaded at LB?
by JGuiher on Apr 23, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect
The Penn State coaches went after the kid, but he wasn't interested. He said our depth chart was too full of good players. We're loaded at linebacker so why complain? A few years ago we took a boat load of great defensive linemen. Ever since then all we can get is a few project type kids to commit to us. That's the way it goes.
These kids aren't stupid. When given the choice of going to school A and sitting on the bench for three years and going to school B and playing early they will pick school B nine times out of ten.
Step away from the ledge. Wait until February to judge our recruiting efforts this year.
by BSD on Apr 22, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Presuming This Response......
Similarly, I seem to hear a lot of talk here about how over-rated speed is and how the SEC speed blah blah blah.......but the 2nd Stehpon Green breaks a run off in practice everyone here is having involuntary ejaculations over how fast he is. Just cracks me up.
I could go on and on about this, but frankly I already have. I'll take my chances on 4 and 5 star Johnny and Mike, you can poke and hope that the pipeline is full of walk on's and 3 stars that pan out. The end result will be what we have now.....here are a few stats I posted in the Je'Ron Stokes thread (we probably forgot about that talent exodous already, guess Penn State is loaded at WR too).
Only 10 teams in the country have particpated in 3 or more BCS games since 1999. Over the last 5 years those same teams have averaged recruiting classes according to rivals as follows:
LSU 9
USC 3
Miami 10
Florida 6
OSU 10
Okla. 8
Mich 9
FSU 8
UGA 7
Va Tech 27
Va Tech with an average recruiting class ranking of 27 is also the only one of the 10 teams listed to be winless in their BCS appearances.
Penn State 22
So while I understand the notion that recruiting is subjective and you never know what you are going to get........the teams that are winning more games and playing more often in significant bowls are also recruiting top 10 classes consistently. Take it for what its worth.
Additionally, see our record against Ohio State and Michigan over the last 10 years 3-15.
I'd love to discount what the recruiting services say, but I can't. Of course there are going to be surprises and busts, but when evaluating overall classes they seem to be fairly accurate.
by ech2os on Apr 22, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One More Thing.......
Having said that, I think its insulated to dismiss the recruiting agencies ratings of players. I don't recall hearing anyone upset when we landed Morelli or Williams or King...and I didn't hear anyone going apeshit when we landed Tony Hunt, Daryl Clark, or Poz.
by ech2os on Apr 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is understandable...
by 06Lion on Apr 22, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morelli......
by pic15 on Apr 22, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morelli
They want to be number 1 draft choices and if they're as good as they think, come out early.
Derrick Williams rightly or wrongly was rated extremely high and while he is a nice player and has had a decent career, I think the reality hasnt lived up to expectations. I think players with that rep are taking notice.
Morelli and Henne were both 5 star players and although we wanted Henne, he is going to be a high draft choice and Morelli will be lucky to catch on as a free agent. If that is coaching or not its difficult to say, but it doesnt reflect well on the next 5 star QB choosing between Michigan and us.
by TRW88 on Apr 22, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post ech2os...
Uncertainty of head coach = lost top recruits
Lost top recruits = lower ranking of PSU recruit class
lower ranking of PSU recruit class = not competing for national championship or BCS bowl bid
no nat'l championship or BCS bowl = mediocrity
it also equals us going 3-15 against THEM and tOSU.
by Stately NOVA Lion on Apr 22, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh......
If we are back in a BCS bowl this year or even the Capital One....assuming OSU wins the conference and the Big 10 only gets one BCS representative....is that a bad thing or suggest the program is in decline? Get off your crack rock if you think it does.
I agree that the losses against Michigan must stop...but PSU is far from what I would consider a mediocre program.
Think about it....do you, as a Penn State fan, really know what it is to experience prolonged losing at PSU??? Not really people. We had a couple of bad years but jesus....the last three years we are 29-9! WTF? Get your heads up and get excited about 08. This team is going to surprise some people...starting with the defense.
This is probably the Best d-line ever at PSU and most likely th Best d-line in the country (Including all those top schools Eric mentions)!
Whether we start Clark or Devlin this year....we do not need an immediate superstar. We need someone who takes care of the ball and does not put us in bad positions (opposite of A.M. at Illinois). If we get that....there are not many teams on or schedule who can beat us!
by pic15 on Apr 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
29 and 9
I like our chances this year and also love our d line, but I agree, we are probably playing for second.
by TRW88 on Apr 22, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are no gimmes
by PSU Nick on Apr 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by BSM PSU 93 on Apr 23, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are gimmies
A game anywhere on the planet against Appalachian State wasn't a "gimmie" last year.
by jesse. on Apr 23, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though
My distrust of recruiting rankings comes from reading "The Blind Side," a great book by the guy who wrote "Moneyball," and it includes a chapter about the guy who more or less invented independently evaluating high school talent. I understand why those services are worthwhile, but, especially in light of the book, I understand why those ranking should be taken with a grain of salt.
Speaking of books, I have a feeling that "How to Lie with Statistics" is sitting on the bookshelves of Eric's Atlanta home.
Nevertheless, I do think that a) recruiting is important and b) a trend of PA recruits going to OSU is troubling, regardless of where they're ranked by the websites. I'm not ready to say that there's a trend yet, but it's starting.
by spakajewia on Apr 22, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think recruiting is important???
recruiting to fit the program is just as important as recruiting good players. it goes the same for recruiting/hiring new coaches...look at michigan. I said from the beginning that, although RR is a good coach, he is a horrible fit for THEM. A school that has run a PSU like offense (just not as conservatively as us) for decades hires a coach that runs a spread offense for a team that does not have a spread offense quarterback.
That's putting all your eggs in one basket.....cough cough pryor
by Stately NOVA Lion on Apr 22, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re-read the comment
And I agree, you've got to recruit for your program.
I've heard JoePa say before that he puts a high premium on football players who are also excellent at lacrosse, because he thinks there's a lot of crossover in skills. Assuming Joe's right about that (and Jim Brown-the football hall of famer and greatest collegiate lacrosse player of all time--suggest that he is), it's an example of a coach knowing something about players (or players who would fit his system) that the rankings probably don't account for.
by spakajewia on Apr 22, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooops.
by Stately NOVA Lion on Apr 23, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try, but I can't
A lot of times you see a guy listed as a three star player. Then he commits to USC and suddenly the recruiting service "re-evaluates" him and gives him another star. I swear some of these recruiting bozos who never played a down of football in their life will give a kid an extra star just because he gets an offer from USC or Florida. So forgive me if the recruiting ranking argument doesn't exactly impress me.
by BSD on Apr 22, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isnt about rankings, it's about who isnt coming
There is nothing good at all to say about the top players in your home state choosing to go elsewhere, and it's happening with increasing regularity. I think it's important to understand why this is happening.
by TRW88 on Apr 22, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's about who the coaches want
by PSU Nick on Apr 22, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, it's who the coaches want
Doesnt that mean the coaches want them?
The fact is we arent getting them and the program languishes as a second tier power.
Why?
by TRW88 on Apr 23, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bell, yes? Every highly ranked kid? No
by PSU Nick on Apr 23, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Can't Win
Sure it would have been nice to land Bell, but the kid visited the school and decided Penn State wasn't for him. So be it and move on I say. I don't get bent out of shape over individual choices.
But I will concede there is a trend I'm concerned about. The trend of these kids loving Penn State enough to list us in the final two or three, but not loving us enough to pull the trigger. I have to think that's due to Joe's age and contract situation. Once that clears up and we get a new coach and new offensive staff, look out. Until then just enjoy the ride the best you can and appreciate Joe for who he is.
by BSD on Apr 22, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Ditto
by blt on Apr 21, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto was from there
by WPIALkid22 on Apr 22, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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