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After the Blue White game I was looking forward to getting home and listening to Joe's post game press conference. It was indeed entertaining, but it featured the usual questions from David Jones.

I admit it. Upon entering the Beaver Stadium press room before Sat urday's Blue-White scrimmage, attended by an estimated 73,000 people, I was not interested in who might be the second-team fullback or the gunner on punts.

An answer to the Clark-Devlin question is at least months away, likely evolving into an ongoing drama that stretches well into the season.

No, I wanted to ask two questions I believe many of those 73,000 would ask Joe Paterno if they could.

Nice to see David Jones now believes he speaks on behalf of all Penn State fans. But anyway...

First, won't the contract standoff between Paterno and Penn State president Dr. Graham Spanier necessarily make it tougher for the PSU assistants to recruit? I said I'd been fielding an awful lot of e-mails from readers who were afraid of that.

Here's how that went:

Joe: "That's ridiculous. You take a look at the wideouts. [Deon] Butler was a walk-on. [Jordan] Norwood only had one scholarship [offer]. The best skill position guy we got is [cornerback Drew] Astorino. He was going to go to Kent State if we hadn't offered him a scholarship. You guys all get caught up..."

I tried to knife in here and say I didn't put any stock in the "star system" of recruiting sites, if that's what he meant. The coach was already assuming I was bashing his just-signed crop, which I wasn't.

Others have. But I don't believe in the people who rank high schoolers, especially nationally. It's ludicrous when most of them never play anyone of their own talent. But there was no stopping him.

Joe: "I think we've had a heck of a year recruiting. That's your problem."

Me: "It's not your problem?"

Joe: "Naw, it's not my problem. Why is it my problem?"

Me: "The fans support this program."

Joe: "You're succumbing to the Web site mob. And that's what it is. Those people who write in and don't sign their names."
...
Me: "Well, a lot of players would want to know who the coach is in two years. Don't you agree with that?"

Joe: "Don't you think that they talk to me about that? I tell 'em this: Some of the guys who tell them I may not be here are washing streets and doing dishes and things like that, all right? I don't get into that.

"I tell them exactly what I think: 'I'm here. I hope I'm going to coach while you're here; I may not. God only knows what's going to happen with me.'

"'I'm excited about the team I got. I'm excited about our prospects of recruiting you. I'm excited about your being interested in Penn State.

"'And if I'm not here, the people you see around you, the facilities, the commitment to this program, the kind of attitude that Penn State has had about athletics...'

"We have a whole mess of kids up here today. We must have 50 high school juniors here. Take a look at this place and say, 'Hey, this must be one heck of a place.'

"And if I walked down the stairs, they may not even know me."

Me: "They won't know you?"

Joe: "They may not."

I'd love to meet the high school kid thinking of playing for Penn State that could not pick Joe Paterno out of a lineup. That's pretty comical.

Anyway, I see what Jones is trying to do, but frankly I'm getting a little tired of it. You can rephrase the question as many ways as you like, but you're not going to get Joe Paterno to tell you how long he intends to coach. And he's not going to tell you his wish for a succession plan and you're not going to get him to confess he thinks he's hurting the program. So why bother?

I feel the same way when I cruise the message boards and see people write 1000 word essays on why Joe is hurting recruiting and we'll never be a national title contender while he's here. Here's my advice to all of you. "Well duh!"

Do what I've done. Accept the fact that we'll likely be an eight or nine win team over the next few years. We're going to see a lot of talent choose to go play elsewhere. We're going to lose a few games with conservative gameplans. That's the way it's going to be. Maybe we'll get lucky and they can put a ten win season together and we'll manage to go to a BCS Bowl game. But for the most part mediocrity will be the norm until Joe is gone.

But we should enjoy the time while he's here. Think of it as an enjoyable ride down a country road instead of flying down the interstate at 80 mph. You're looking out the window at lakes and pastures full of horses instead of rocks and trees and filthy rest stops. Joe's days are numbered. Everyone knows he can't do this much longer, and when he's gone I think we're all going to miss him.

The day will come when we will be a power again. I read the quotes from all these kids we go after. They all come away from Penn State completely blown away by the atmosphere. They all rave about the facilities and the stadium. We're sitting on a gold mine here, people. They all list Penn State in their top two or three schools, but they just can't pull the trigger on us, and it's because of the uncertainty of the coaching staff. Keep in mind that when Joe leaves we'll probably lose Galen Hall and Dick Anderson too, so there will be an infusion of new coaches on the offensive side of the ball. Choose the right people and we can effectively put up a fence that extends from Lake Erie down the PA/OH border and down through Virginia to the Chesapeake and claim everything inside it as ours. Penn State will dominate the east coast in recruiting when we get a new coach. Write it down.

Joe's Next Career

I for one will miss Joe's press conferences. He's always good for a one liner or two. And you always get a perspective from a man frozen in time some thirty years ago. He's always pointing out how silly we are to focus on things we call news that he considers insignificant. One of the drawbacks to attending the Blue-White Game in person is not being able to hear Joe in the broadcast booth as is his annual tradition during the scrimmage. Here are a few samples from the broadcast.

"I'm going to shoot you, Beachum!" JoePa yelled, after freshman running back Brandon Beachum fumbled.
...
Paterno continued: "I tell you, I'm going to shoot the lineman that ran by the guy who made the tackle. ... Who made the tackle?"

Minutes later, Paterno laughed when sophomore defensive tackle Ollie Ogbu jumped offsides.

"Those kids from Staten Island (N.Y.) are so dumb," he said. "We used to go over there on a ferry when I was a kid -- from Brooklyn (N.Y.) -- but they were too dumb to find the ferry, so we had to build a bridge. The Verrazanooooo!"
...
After one failed play, Paterno said, "Who was the left guard in there?"

Jones: "Johnnie Troutman, I think."

Paterno: "Yeah, he was lousy."
...
He praised his players, too, and was predictably bullish on his program.

Jones undoubtedly got more than he bargained for when he asked Paterno to appraise sophomore defensive end Aaron Maybin.

"He's got body fat of about 3 1/2 percent, but I'm angry with him," Paterno said. "He doesn't eat well. He's gotten wrapped up in a fraternity, which I like, but they're keeping him up nights -- a little hazing, missed a meeting, missed a practice. ... Right now, he's in my dog house."

When you're 81 years old you get to say anything on your mind and you don't really care what people think. That's why Joe belongs in the booth.

I've got more to share, but I think that's long enough for now. Everyone get back to work and I'll put up more later this afternoon.

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Jones
I actually like David Jones, he has the stones to call Joe Pa out and raise some questions that other reporters will not ask.  

Should he show more respect to the man who built this program...yes but Joe no longer cares about the future of this program and is to stubborn/power hungry to let go.  

PSU is losing tons of recruits to other programs all the time. he is killing the future of the program...that being said I think PSU will be very good this year...in 2 years we will suck.

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow
what a load of crap..."Joe no longer cares about the future of this program"...if there is one person that cares more about PSU football than anybody else it is JoePa and as for loosing these recruits, I am some what happy with some of these kids staying away from PSU, I would rather recruit a classy kid with a strong work ethic that realizes that their shit does stink...keep your Prior's and Bell's and who ever else thinks that b/c they are good at high school ball they can breeze through college and make an NFL team (i.e. Austin Scott) Give me a DWill or a Norwood or a Devlin that will work with the team and work hard at school...seriously people if you are this upset at the program just stop watching...I love PSU football and I would watch even if we didn't win a game all season (I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would watch it all the same)...What happens in 2 years when we go 10-2 will you feel like an ass or will you say that you knew this whole time we would be good...like Joe said you don't know what is going to happen tomorrow or next year for that matter so you might as well not worry about it until that day comes

all the "JOE MUST GO" guys are a bunch of whiny pussies if you ask me...appreciate what you have b/c it won't last long

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are nuts...
Lion Alum -

Here is the problems with your argument.

1 - We are not getting the recruits that once upon a time would love to be a nittany lion.  PSU is a great football state, most of the top players are going to OSU, UM, PITT, and the top QB went to Rutgers...yes Rutgers.

2 - If Joe cared about the program he would have made more than ONE recruiting trip in the last 2 years, would not work from home, and not leave his staff in limbo.  You can't run a major D1 program from home and not hit the recruiting trail.  Meyer, Carroll, RRod, Zook, Tressel all attend b-ball games, text, call, and show their mugs at the high school on a regular basis...why doesn't Joe???  He sends his people while every other program sends the HC.

3 - You are obviously blinded by the blue/white kool-aid...get a life you are the pussy who can't get over the fact that Joe should step down sooner than later.  

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great...
we are really looking mature here...

This is the type of people Joe was refering to when he mentioned the "internet people".

by carolinaeasy on Apr 22, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes...
... I'm not trying to be an ass here, but please save that "kool-aid" talk for a Laschout post.  I really can't stand that term and they throw it around over there with obscene regularity.

by BSM PSU 93 on Apr 22, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy now
Name calling and personal attacks won't be tolerated. First warning.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Apr 22, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typos
Sorry for last comment...typing too fast.

PSU = PA is a great football state

and Here ARE the problems w/ your argument...stupid fat fingers!

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Who was the top QB that went to Rutgers?
Savage from Cardinal O'Hara? That's your idea of a top QB? Thanks, but no thanks.

by Nick Blonde on Apr 22, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad prediction
"Accept the fact that we'll likely be an eight or nine win team over the next few years. "

With the recruiting damage he's doing, we're going to be an 8-9 win team next year; then perhaps one more year at that level; then back to the Dark Ages (bottom of the conference).

Seriously.

by M1EK on Apr 22, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Marketing
I'm not so sure a return to the dark ages is around the corner. Penn State has done a much better job of playing to their strengths, which are the facilities and atmosphere. Guido and the marketing guys have done a fantastic job of reshaping our image and making PSU a hip place even though our coach is 81 years old. We may not get the players to compete with Ohio State, but we're still getting better players than eight or nine of the other teams in the conference.

Besides, we don't know how this recruiting class is going to shape out yet so to predict a return to the dark ages in 2010 is a bit premature. If this recruiting class is a bust I'll agree with you, but with the small class we took last year the kids we recruit this year will be the major players in 2010.

Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Apr 22, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

recruiting
Mike -

This years class was solid (not great), it's next year I worry about.  

PSU should have 20+ scholorships available and w/ no plan in place many kids will go elsewhere.  How motivated would you be if you were an assistant coach???  I would be looking for a new gig in case there is a change at the top, these men all have families and bills to pay.

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Competing w/ tUoOS...
Now I know these are just verbals and they're also premature rankings as the recruits still have a year of HS ball to play, but they're commitments none the less...

tUoOS:  2 five's stars, 6 four stars.
PSU:  1 one star.

tUoOS is obviously well above everyone else at the moment, but it's discouraging when you are already behind them and falling faster by the minute.

by Screen Name 20 on Apr 22, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting a class of 2009
If Penn State plays pretty well this season then the recruiting for 2009 class should be pretty good. 2005 Season is a good example. We picked up a lot of great players after that.

I think if the team stinks and the talk about JoePa gets worse than the usual, then we should be concerned. But right now, I think we're fine anyway.

by DeafPSUFan on Apr 22, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right...
a lot rests on our performance this season.  If we can put things together and grab ten wins and a New Years Day bowl game, we'll get all the four star recruits we need to be competitive for Joe's remaining years at the helm.  Along the way, we'll need to hammer Michigan at home and put on decent performances at night in Madison and Columbus.  If we actually win either of those two games, we'll probably be in BCS conversations as the season draws to a close.

But, yeah... a 10 win season will set the stage for a great recruiting year.  

by BSM PSU 93 on Apr 22, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones and Stepping out on a limb prediction
On  Jones:
Nothing against Jones, I don't even know him and only ready his column once in a while, but I highly doubt he is trying to do anything more than get a rise out of Joe to sell papers and make a name for himself.  Don't fool yourself into thinking that he is doing any of this for the fan's sake. I'm tired of the question being asked over and over and over.  The answer, or no answer, is always the same.  I don't need him or anyone else to ask it week in and week out.  The end of the line is soon for Joe.  :-(  The grass is not always greener.  Ask Nebraska and Oklahoma.  Both programs took incredible dives after losing successful coaches. I am just going to enjoy the ride while it lasts and when Joe decides it's time to hang it up I hope we can keep the ship in the right direction and not have a coaching carolsel.

2008 outlook
I would not say I am overly optimistic but I do think we may have a good chance at a BCS bowl this year.  College football starts with your line.  I don't care how good your specialty people are, if the O and D lines are not good you are in for a long season.  If the line is solid they make every one around them better.  Running backs have holes, QBs have time, Line backers don't have as many options to choose from, DBacks don't have to hold single coverage that long and when they play zone they know when the qb is throwing the ball because if he does not the line will collapse on him.  It all starts with the line.  Throw in the fact that we have a lot of talent and speed in the other positions on offense and our D is pretty strong with the exception of some holes in our DBackfield we may be looking at pretty strong season.  Our Schedule is pretty favorable also (although it was last year, there in lies the doubt).  Ohio State looks like a National title contender again this year.  I think Penn State can come in second and we may have what it takes to get off the shnide against Michigan.  Catch a few brakes and we could win the Big Ten.  I can easily see us with a 10 - 2 or better regular season.  I hope I am right!  :-)

Peter

by psuboy on Apr 22, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

+ 1 with M1EK
How many "big wins" has this program/coach produced this decade?

Nebraska, OSU 05', UT, a few splits w/ Wisconsin...can not think of many more.  I don't consider A&M a big win even though it was a bowl game...they are not a top tier team.

Many of the 8-9 wins PSU obtains are against less than stellar programs...cupcake city.  We do well against mid level and worse teams, but stink against the big boys...real elite program.

By the way - I love PSU and because you criticize the program does not make you less of a fan, I want this program to be elite again.

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Talent had nothing to do with it...
If defense came to play against MSU and Morelli wouldn't have F*d up Illinois....we would have been 10-2.   Do you actually think either of those programs is better than us?

Seriously???

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Apr 22, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will people please stop
using the term "KOOL AID" drinker if you accept stuff for what it is...just b/c you post a rant on a chat room or a blog doesn't mean that you are changing the world...Yes it is ok to critize the team for not playing hard or making dumb mistakes but critizing just for the sake of it is stupid and there is no point for it...what did we loose by Joe not recruiting this year, an QB with alot of natural talent but also with his head up his ass, a RB that was swindled by some snake oil sales man and what else maybe a WR (that didn't want to redshirt in the first place)...Joe not going out is taking away from some recruits but that doesn't mean he isn't calling them emailing them or writing them letters, for god's sake he is 81 freaking years old, my grandmother is 81 and she can barely get out of the house let alone coach a D1 football team, I doubt that some of you middle age wannabe's could even coach the team on your xbox...I am sorry if I sound a bit "ranty" but I get really tired of spoiled people who can't appreciate a good thing until it's gone...I cherish Joe Paterno and all he has done for PSU he has worked hard for everything he has and he deserves so much more...I wish he would coach until he was 100+...and until we start paying players with corvettes and free grades in easy classes we will never get the "thug" recruits tOSU does, and I am proud of that

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

81
The Pope is 81 and he tours the world.

Why can't Joe visit some top players in PA/OH/NJ?

But the Pope does have god on his side.

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
in a glass bubble...I would like to see him run out of the gate infront of 110,000+ people...

you are blinded by your ignorance

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...
You seem to hae a ton of anger...it's not good for your health.  

All I am saying is the Pope traveled all over the world (yes first class...so can Joe...he has the money) and Joe Pa can't visit a few high schools???

Plus the Pope didn't crap himself...just saying

Strike First...Strike Hard...No Mercy

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 22, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must
be the healthiest person in the world...you have never experienced diarrhea or had the shits before...ya know I have to hand it to your originality I have never ever heard anybody use that arguement before...seriously did you ever think about writing for a paper b/c you just broke that story to me...

and obviously Joe can travel how ever he sees fit, I was just stating that he Pope travels in a glass bubble and then when he gets some where he sits for a couple hours and gives mass he is not exactly showing a kid how to block or telling them to pull thier shirt down (to show that they have respect for themselves and the uniform they are wearing)...watch the youtube video and tell me that Paterno can't coach b/c it sure as hell seems like it to me

yeah I am angry...at the people who have no respect...I have a lot of distain for my generation and the generation after me b/c they believe that everything should just be given to them and they should get their way all the time they have no consideration for other people, they are too wrapped up in thier own little coddled world to know how to appreciate something

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Negativity
What is with all the negativity lately?   PSU is not headed back in the dark days or ages.   We have a lot of scholarships to fill this year and we have the ability to offer high school kids something they want....the ability to play and start early.  PSU should have a very good WR and DB class this year.   Don't blame Paterno for the recruiting situation....this is Spanier's doing!  He and the trustees should have made a decision to either extend JoePa's contract or end it after this season.  THAT is what hurts recruiting!

As for 08....don't know where all the negativity is coming from on this site and others....but the B/W game showed we should be better than ok.  Yeah we were 9-4 last year.....with three horrible losses (Michigan, Illinois and Michigan State).  Where any of those schools better than PSU....Michigan would be the only argument.  But the overwhelming answer for Illinois and Michigan State is NO! So if PSU played to its ability last year and even assuming losses to OSU and Michigan we would have been 10-2 going into the post season.

2008 will be a good year for Penn State and we will be back to the point we were in 2005, with everyone on the bandwagon again.

If we stay healthy on defense this year it will be a special year!

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Apr 22, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I will tell you what happened...
Mike posted his take on the Paterno presser, and all the "Joe Must Go" crowd has crawled out of its whole and reared its ugly head.

Face it, no matter how much any of us dislike the current situation, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT! We aren't, and I am assuming here, memebers of the board of trustees, we aren't Curly, we aren't Spanier. Those guys will do what they will, just sit back and enjoy a few years of life with the legend.

by carolinaeasy on Apr 22, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

OSU
Why are we setting OSU as what we expect from OUR program?  Lets face it folks, they're on another level right now.  Trying to keep up with them in recruiting is going to be darn near impossible.  Tey have the ESPN glamour and hype surrounding them, and they get attention from the RIVALS.Com hyped kids.  

However, you're forgetting that Joe Paterno is a great FOOTBALL COACH.  Is he the best recruiter in his twilight?  No.  But, as long and you hand the man and his staff capable talent, I feel confident that he can turn the 2,3, and 4 star recruits into great players.  He always has.  If football games were won on the number of 5 stars you recruit, we should have sucked for about 10 years now.  But they're won on hard work, determination, and great teaching by the coaches.

Yes, sometimes his conservative gameplans cost us, but I'd argue that the things we saw the last few years were sprung out of having no confidence in Anthony Morelli.  He didn't have it against Michigan last year, and you could make the arguement that it cost us the game.  So Joe decided to give the people what they wanted.  He put the ball in the hands of Anthony Morelli at Illinois and Michigan St., and Anthony Morelli failed.  So can you blame the man if he was a little more conservative than many of us would have liked?

I think we're going to see a new offense this season, and I'm pretty excited to see what happens.  I have confidence in Joe, and I'm optimistic.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 22, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

competition
The most impressive thing about Beaver Stadium is that we built it. No bond issues, no threats to leave town, nobody held a gun to anybodies head. We just raised 100 million dollars to improve the football stadium, or to build an indoor practice facility, or a "football building". We built these things for Joe Paterno and our football team, but we built them, they belong to us.

We built these places in order to compete with the Ohio State's of this world because they are in our league, both literally and figuratively. We have to beat them to accomplish our goals of having undefeated seasons or winning national championships. If Ohio State or Texas are doing things better than us, it is incumbent upon our people to figure out what they are doing wrong and correct it. This is Joe Paterno's job.

Ohio State does not have any inherent advantages over Penn State; they simply apply their resources more efficiently than we do. It's Joe Paterno's job to correct that.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 22, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No
I think you've missed my point

We AREN'T Ohio St. right now recruiting wise.  The only other school at their level right now is USC.  Holding Joe Paterno to that standard in recruiting, or any coach for that matter, is foolish and setting the bar unreasonably high.

However, in terms of resources, yes, we are at Ohio States level, which is why we can weather this storm of recruits that OSU may pull in with the ridiculos amount of hype and attention they get.  Joe Paterno, with the resources available to him, has shown he can do more with less.

My point was that this idea that our recruting not being on the same level as Ohio State's is not a reason to push Joe Paterno out.  As long as he can get capable players, he'll compete with Ohio State.  If we beat them a couple of years in a row, who knows, we may be in their position.

I'm not going to have a hissy fit because a few 5 stars turn us down over concerns about Joe's job security.  Its unwise and nearsighted.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 22, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fugi...
...then by your logic, we would be winning the B10 if we combined our superior coaching with superior recruiting.

So why aren't we trying to fix it?

You don't need to take it so personally every time someone suggests something is wrong with the current administration.  If JoePa was willing to put more effort into recruiting, then I don't think anyone would have a problem here.

And yes, before you go and cite examples like Poz, etc...usually the 5* players are pretty accurate, and more commonplace than the 2* heroes like Ogbu or Scirrotto.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 22, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um
First off, there isn't a recruiting "problem".  As I said, there aren't any schools that can recruit with Ohio St. right now.  The fact that we aren't right on their heels should not be an indictment of this coaching staff, because there isn't a recruiting staff in the country outside of USC that can routinely pull in the classes they pull in.

I also don't find the fact that JoePa doesn't go to basketball games and fly all over the country is an indictment of him either.  Hes the greatest coach in the history of the game.  He doesn't have to explain to some 18 year old in his living room what hes all about.  He has a legacy of turning out pros and winning, while at the same time making kids winners off the field.  If a kid is so arrogant that he'd write off PSU because Joe doesn't sleep in his guest room, then he doesn't belong in our program.

To have Joe Paterno ask you to play football for him in an encyiclical type letter should mean more to a kid that Urban Meyer leaving "Jake plz txt me wen ur done wit prct" on his phone every 3 hours.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 22, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um
You're not thinking like an 18 year old kid who's being recruited by the likes of tOSU, WVU, VaTech, FLA & Mich; and we'll throw in PSU....

If you are in this position, it is very likely you are too dumb to realize the effort that went into Joe's handwritten letter. Instead you are more excited that you are receiving text messages, during class, from Urban Meyer.

These kids don't care for letters, they have to sit down and READ them...and then write one back?!? Sure buddy. I'm sure their parents will think it's nice.

Virtually all smart recruits will recognize the professionalism and personal effects of a handwritten letter...but let's face it, virtually all of the best recruits are dumb.

by Stately NOVA Lion @ Black Shoe Diaries on Apr 22, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Then
Let me ask you this.  Do you want stupid idiots (see Chris Bell) playing for this team?  Do you want even more problems with thugs than we have right now?  Do you want to sell the soul of your program to get ahead?

I don't.

There are plenty of kids out there good enough to play for us that can appreciate what Joe Paterno brings to the table.  The fact that someone would write Penn State off because we aren't pleading with them and begging them says a lot about their character, and they aren't the people we need to be going after.  The ones that respond to a handwritten letter are the ones we need to worry about.  The ones that don't, to hell with them I say.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 23, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand...
...why you're getting so defensive.

All I'm suggesting is that JoePa ramps up his recruiting, which as you know, is kinda an integral part of being the HEAD COACH of a respectable program.

I'm not sitting here saying "God we suck, get rid of JoePa."  I'm saying that if he just put some more effort into recruiting, or who knows...maybe even gave the kids SOME kind of idea of where he'll be in 3-5 years, then we'd be getting some better prospects.

Which again brings me to my point that if we can coach up 2* and 3* players (at least on the defensive side of the ball), imagine what we can do with 4* and 5* players (see Evans, Maurice)?

We all want to see Joe go out on top...but part of that is on his end, and he needs to realize that in a way, his manner of handling things isn't ideal.

"But blah blah blah they're not the PSU type anyhow blah blah blah."

Tell that to yourself every time you see LeSean McCoy play the next few years.

Long story short, this is an INCREDIBLY FAIR criticism to throw into play at a HEAD COACH, no matter who he is.  Again, there's no need for you to take everything so damn personally because it comes off as the least bit critical.  This is valid, dude.  Deal with it.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 23, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um, about McCoy
He was committed to Penn State, but couldn't get his grades up to snuff. Even with a year of knowing that's what he needed to do. Correct?

by Nick Blonde on Apr 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't...
...recall him ever being committed, but I could be wrong.  Also, I seem to remember the "grades" issue being more like an excuse for why we didn't get him, but maybe that's just me.

Does this detract from my points?  I don't think it does.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 23, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy
Never committed to Penn State.

Going into last season, Penn State was deep at tailback, Scott, Kinlaw and Royster, and the coaches were (and continue to be) very high on Green. So he walks in fourth on the depth chart, and certainly redshirts. McCoy was never going to redshirt.

His grades weren't great, but he would have gotten into school, we've taken kids with similar academic troubles, including Daryl Clark. But from Penn State's prospective why give out a fifth tailback scholarship to a quasi-qualifier that doesn't want to sit out a redshirt year to get right academically.

It just wasn't a great fit for either party. It doesn't prove that Joe Paterno can't recruit or that Pitt is going to be a dominant force is eastern football. It also does not prove that McCoy is a primadonna or otherwise a bad kid.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 23, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he committed the previous year
then went to a school around Harrisburg with, I want to say but I'm not sure, Walton so that they could get their grades up and enter Penn State. Walton did, McCoy did not.

by Nick Blonde on Apr 23, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Clark is working his ass off
to get the grades. If that's the difference between Clark and McCoy, I'll take Clark every time.

by Nick Blonde on Apr 23, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem (as I see it)
McCoy held a Penn State offer in his hand, but decided not to take it. He went to Pitt because [a] he wanted to play right away, and [b] after his injury and academic problems we wasn't nearly the highly regarded superstar he once was.

To me, all this means is that Pitt caught a break. If Penn State isn't deep at tailback last offseason McCoy is in blue and white and you, I and everybody else love him because "he's a hard worker", just like Clark. But because he went to Pitt, he's "that punk Shady that couldn't cut it academically at Penn State. That's bullshit, and I think we all know it, whether we want to admit it or not.

I'm not pointing fingers, but I am always skeptical when people tell me that so long as we have "good guys" I don't care whether or not were winning (or winning big). You may be telling the truth, but so many people are just making an excuse. It's silly in this instance because we don't need to make excuses, the truth is perfectly acceptable.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 23, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW
I also think that it remains to be seen whether or not LeSean McCoy is appreciably better than Evan Royster or Stephon Green.
For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 23, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few observations:
1.  I like David Jones (I know, I know:  who gives
    a fuck what I think?). I think he has the
    guts to be a real reporter, and not to suck
    up to a legend.  According to a friend of mine
    who lives in State College, the Harrisburg
    Patriot News has more information on the
    football team than the Centre Daily Times.  
    That comes from real journalism, which some-
    times unmasks unpleasant truths.

2.  I agree with you, Mike.  I even said on the
    way home from Ann Arbor in September that at
    this rate, the best we could hope for is 8-9
    wins a year, and to hopefully keep our heads
    above water until Joe goes.  Maybe, with a few
    lucky breaks (we've had our share of bad ones
    recently), we could go 10-2 or 11-1.  Just try
    to stay relevant until Joe does go.  With our
    facilities and fan support, it won't take long
    for a young, energetic, and innovative coach
    to have us back in the high life again (Steve
    Winwood).

3.  I think a lot of people are bitchy because of
    the uncertainty with where we're headed.  We
    all want to be back with the elite again, and
    God willing, we will be.  But nobody's sure
    when.  And a lot of us have a lot invested in
    OUR team (money, time, emotionally, you name
    it) and not knowing where we're going is  
    scary.  And fear can manifest itself in
    several ways.  Some can't see any good in any-
    thing, others can't realistically face up to
    the fact that, while still a major program, we
    are no where near the dominant, elite program
    we were in the late 60's, 70's, 80's, and  
    90's.

Just my opinion.

by Ab4PSU on Apr 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm with Mike
Many of the potential candidates for the HC job are hailed as pretty good recruiters, so I think when Joe finally steps down we will have a guy come in who can get whatever kids we want to come here.
I am willing to let Joe go when he wants to go. Despite some other people on the internet, I believe that Joe is a great person and has done great things for the greatest university in the world. I hope we can have a great season next season, and Joe will be able to go out on a high note. Patience everyone, patience.
JoePa is my hero.

by psuphiman80 on Apr 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It's still fun to read though
I'm in the "it is what is" crowd as well. Penn State will be a national power again someday, and I'm willing to be patient. I mean, Joe can't seriously coach that much longer.

But, you gotta admit it's fun to read the ridiculous things people post on message boards. You'd think we're talking about some life or death issue. I see words like "devastating" and "epic proportions" about a lost recruit. I want to meet guys like LionKing and HowardStern and remind them that it's freaking football.

Get up State.

by speedomike02 on Apr 22, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Those guys
They drive me nuts. Sports are great, they entertain and give great life lessons to fans and players, but is nothing bigger than football. All the internet nuts need to just take a break, go with the flow, and realize that what they post on the internet has no real bearing on the program.
JoePa is my hero.

by psuphiman80 on Apr 22, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
right on man...people don't realize that opinions are like assholes...everyone's got on and most of the time they are dirtier than they look

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry
"everyone's got one"

by Lion Alum on Apr 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike, great site
I've been a reader of your blog for a while, but your posts today left me feeling compelled to chime in.  Your blurbs on Paterno, Scott, and Lee pretty much sum up exactly how I feel.  Kudos to you for having a keen sense of perspective.  

I get disgusted with much of the negative, incorrect, disrespectful venom hurled towards Paterno on other venues.  It really just boggles my mind at times.  I am not blind.  I can see Paterno's faults and liabilities; he is human, after all.  But the man is a living legend.  I feel incredibly lucky to have watched him lead Penn State out of the tunnel since I was a kid, decades ago.  

I, too, will enjoy the ride for as long as the old man can hang in there.  Paterno righted the ship after an awful spell in the early 2000s.  2005 was magic, and 2008 has the potential to be very, very special.  

by rbeidler on Apr 23, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks
And welcome to BSD.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Apr 23, 2008 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perspectives
I get just as frustrated as the next fan, but last I checked, academics were primary, athletics secondary.  

They can't be a PSU football player if they can't be a PSU student, first.  

If that translates to 8 or 9 win seasons with the occasional lightning in a bottle (2005) peppered in there, then fine by me.

by Spats on Apr 23, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Cpiritual27
Allow me to continue this down here because it was getting a little cluttered up there.

I think what you define as "effort" and what I define as "effort" are two totally different things.  You see "effort" as texting players all afternoon and following them to every game they play aka ass kissing.  I think its utterly ridiculos that Joe Paterno should have to do that to get a kid to come to Penn State.  Personally, with the success hes had, I think Urban Meyer should be above that as well, but he does things how he sees fit.

My point is, if your a self respecting program, or a self respecting coach, you don't bend over backwards like that for a kid.  The good players, who more importantly have good heads on their shoulders, will find their way to Penn State.  If you "count the texts" with a school, then you're just the kind of asshole I can live with out.

As a football recruit, I consider an invitation from Joe Paterno to come to Penn State an see him as a request for an audience with the Pope.  Sure, for special occasions, he leaves the Vatican (University Park), but only for very special people.  If Joe Paterno wants to meet you, its a big deal, and that should really be enough for a kid to want to at least check out Penn State.  

I think people confuse his style of recruiting with a lack of effort.  I think he puts in the effort.  He knows every kid, and he knows a lot about them as well.  For that to be true, he has to know their backround as well.

I think you can get 5 star recruits this way, without treating them like false gods.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 23, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

But that's just the problem...
...it has always been said that JoePa could visit a recruit, and he'd sign the letter that day.  However, it's tough to do when you're not out visiting the kids!!

I'm also not disagreeing with you about getting a letter from JoePa.  However, all the kids these days don't necessarily identify with him like maybe they used to.  This is not to say that they are bad kids, just that maybe they don't really understand the significance JoePa entails.

Again, this doesn't mean they're stupid, or immature, blah blah blah.  It just means that the recruiting game is a little different these days.

Even the Pope needs to adapt to modern Catholicism.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 23, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One last thing...
...I don't think we need to treat them like "false gods."  I mean, if you think that Bradley, LJ Sr. and Vanderlinden aren't getting in touch with these kids almost every day (a la Meyer, Weis, etc), you're crazy.

But a recruit sees the head coach coming to visit from one school, and assistants from another.  Don't you think he'll believe that School A cares a little more?  Just my opinion.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 23, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Youngstown St. could care a lot too, but that doesn't mean its the best situation for the kid.

Additionally, I have no problem with the assistants doing the daily communication, but I feel self-respecting head coaches should know when not to cross the line of being a pest and makeing themselves into cartoon characters.  Like I said, I think Paterno is above texting a kid 3 times a day given his record.  I also think a guy like Meyer should be as well.

If you're Ron Zook or Charlie Weis, who have experienced mix results, maybe you lower yourself a little more to get closer to the player.

As I said, I think Joe's style and say, a Weis's styles are competeing theories, and not an indication of one guy giving effort and another not.  Granted, Joe's approach hasn't worked as well as some of us might have liked the last couple of years, but its cyclical, and I think the way hes going about things is adequate.

P.S. this has been a solid debate.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 23, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youngstown St is a poor example
We're not competing with YS for players.  We are competing with tUoOS, Michigan, etc. and losing.  Not saying Joe has to go, but he does have to keep up with the times and the times require more persistent recruiting measures.  The times certainly require leaving State College more than once every two years.

by kijana32 on Apr 24, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea
He's a man stuck in the past.  I mean God, hes probably never left Happy Valley more than those 2 times for recruiting in his 40+ seasons.  Someone needs to bring him into the 21st century.

Cmon.  Give me a break.  If you havn't read the whole back and forth and what I've been saying for 3 days now, I'm not going to explain it to you now.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 24, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me...
...I think that the most crucial thing right now is that recruits know what's going on.  How long will JoePa be coaching?  Will the next coach come from in-house?

If he could just provide the answers for these questions, I don't think ANYONE would be taking shots at JoePa right now.

I'm not saying that he hasn't earned the right to quit on his own terms, but these recruits need to have an idea when it's going to be!!

You can't ask a recruit to sign on for 2 years of JoePa, followed by 1-3 more years of uncertainty.  Will we still be practicing the same styles of offense/defense?  Thinks Ryan and Mallett and DickRod.

JoePa may be a coaching legend, but he can't decide the 4-year fates of kids when he doesn't even know his own.  It's a simple decision at this point...talk to Spanier, figure out a succession plan, and go about business.

Just my opinion.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 24, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...
...dunno what happened with that sentence.

*Think Ryan Mallett and Dick Rod.

by Cpiritual27 on Apr 24, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how my comment
warrants such weak sarcasm.  I get it, you're a Joe apologist.  I'm not saying that Joe is stuck in the past; I know for a fact that he used to recruit.  But when he and the offensive coordinator have virtually no role (outside of State College) in the recruiting process it creates two clear problems.  One (obviously), it creates doubt as to how long he'll be around, who will succeed him, etc.  And second, it creates an opening for Tressel, Rodriquez, Zook, et al. to point out that they want to get to know the recruit - forget blowing smoke, do you think the current crime wave in State College would be going on if Joe knew a few of these players names before they show up on campus as freshmen? - whereas Joe can't be bothered or doesn't have the energy for it unless your name is Terrelle Pryor (sp?).  
Beating Michigan during the Bush presidency would be nice.

by kijana32 on Apr 25, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This past year's recruiting class
wasn't ranked very high, but then again it was a small class with limited schollies.  The players PSU obtained have pretty good rankings.  (but let me also say that I think recruiting ratings are a sham for the most part)  Lets also not forget that Dick Rod sniped a highly ranked player already committed to PSU.  Next year's recruiting class will be crucial, and a double digit win season will go a long way towards helping ensure a solid class.  Paterno had a rough fall and winter health wise.  He just didn't look like himself, I think there was carry over from the leg injury, mixed in with the flu.  In the video I've seen of him this spring he looks more like the energized Paterno of old.  Bradley and Johnson are great recruiters, and Paterno can still seal a deal like no one...if his health holds up next fall and winter.  Keeping the faith and enjoying the ride...

by rbeidler on Apr 24, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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