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Nitt Picks Has a Full Plate

The men who run college football are all meeting in a swanky hotel in Hollywood, Florida this week coming up with ways to take the fun out of the game and squeeze more coins out of your pockets. The hot topic of debate is the possibility of tweaking the BCS to include a "plus-one" game. Jim Delany isn't buying into it and says, "he's not the only one.

With little or no change expected to occur in the way college football determines its national champion, fans and media have been quick to blame the Big Ten and Pac-10 conferences, which seem to be most opposed to a proposed plus-one format.

Not so fast, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Tuesday.

"The perception that the Big Ten and Pac-10 are holding this back is not right," Delany said, after exiting a Tuesday morning meeting of conference commissioners and bowl and television representatives at an oceanfront hotel here. "We're seen as obstructionists when we did what we did to evolve the system. The calls for change are external. Ask others here how strongly they feel for a call for change. I don't see it."

And that would be who? Certainly not SEC commissioner Mike Slive.

On Wednesday morning, SEC commissioner Mike Slive will present a proposal for a plus-one format, which would change the current BCS system to two semifinal games in advance of a national championship game. The changes couldn't take place until after the 2009 season, when the current BCS contracts with bowl games and TV networks expire.

And how about ACC commissioner and BCS chairman John Swofford?

"I feel good about where the BCS is at this point in time," Swofford said. "But I think it's important to look at models like this that might improve where we're at. I think there are a lot of people in the room who are happy with the way things are right now. I think the question is: Is there a better way? I think it's all about looking at opportunities to improve the BCS."

Talk about your wishy-washy answers. Is Swofford in favor of the "Plus-One" game or not? I can't tell from that quote. He feels good about the BCS but he wants to explore making it better. Whatever. But Swofford does raise some good points.

Swofford said league commissioners and athletic directors attending the BCS meetings have raised specific concerns about the plus-one model. The logistical difficulties of getting a team from a potential semifinal game at Dolphin Stadium in Miami to a championship game in Glendale, Ariz., seven days later, is among the concerns. Swofford said having a two-week period between the semifinals and BCS title game, like the NFL does with the conference championship games and Super Bowl, probably isn't plausible because university presidents have adamantly opposed extending college football's postseason beyond the first week of January.

"You run into the problem of taking it too deeply into second semester, which the presidential level says is unacceptable," Swofford said.

The Nittany Line has already done his best to shoot this down.

Yes, getting a WHOLE team from point A to point B WOULD prove extremely difficult because it's so hard to find a plane these days. We certainly wouldn't want to run into the second semester because... ah... well... I have no idea but it's just bad, take our word for it.

Excellent points from my colleague Galen, but Swofford does make sense to me. My biggest hangup with instituting a playoff in college football has been this insistence on simultaneously preserving the current bowl system. Dreamers say rotate the championship game among the BCS bowls and let the other BCS bowls host semi-final games.

It seems feasible. Teams could easily fly from Florida to Arizona or California in time for a game one week away. But what about the fans? Is it reasonable to expect Nittany Lion fans in State College to travel to Arizona one week and then have to turn around and fly to California the next? Most people I know can't afford to do this. The cost of airfare, meals, hotel, and tickets is pretty outrageous not to mention the time off of work. Some people would do it, but not enough to fill 80,000 seat stadiums. The bigger schools like Notre Dame, Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State would stand a chance, but imagine the horror in years when a small school like Rutgers or Wake Forest qualify. And that will scare off the bowls from agreeing to such a deal.

College football playoffs have been around for years in Division I-AA. But they play home games through the first few rounds. The home town fans are already in place and the visiting fans only get maybe a few thousand seats. There is no way you will ever see this happening in Division I-A. The bowl games are entrenched and here to stay. They are never going to agree to just walk away and let the NCAA take their ball and go home. So how do we fix it? Sadly, at this point I don't think we can.

But I can tell you what I would do in a perfect world. First of all four teams isn't enough. If March is madness, then I want December to be demented. I would like to see eight or sixteen teams. That would make for three or four rounds of playoffs. All on Saturdays and most of them falling over the winter break. Don't give me crap about "preserving the student athlete" when you send basketball players on the road for over half of every spring semester.

But to take a page from the book from NCAA basketball, the best solution I can see is to have regional quarter and semi-final games like the NCAA tournament. Have an Eastern, Southern, Midwestern, and Pacific regional bracket and host those games in geographically strategic areas. Host games in New Orleans, Miami, and Tempe and call them the Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls if you want to. But come up North and host games in Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia as well.

The next piece of the puzzle is deciding who gets to play. And in my opinion it has to be conference champions. I've always felt if you can't win your conference you don't deserve to play for the National Championship. I don't care if your team is a late starter. Start earlier next year. And I don't care if the fourth best team from the SEC could destroy the ACC champion. Don't tell me about polls and computer rankings and head-to-head matchups during the regular season. Win your conference. Consider it the unofficial first round of the playoffs.

Of course you have the problem of Notre Dame and the non-BCS conferences. Again, in a perfect world I would make Notre Dame join a conference. Their arrogant insistance on remaining independent has to be factored into any decision and frankly I'm tired of it. Get with the rest of the 100-plus college football programs and join the 21st century. As for the other non-BCS conferences, the easiest solution is to expand the playoff to 16 teams and allow them to send their conference champions to first round slaughters. But this creates a new set of problems.

As a Penn State fan I would not be enthused about having to drive to Indianapolis to watch the Nittany Lions play MAC champ Akron in the first round. I would probably be inclined to skip that one and hold out my money for a second round opponent. While not pretending to speak on behalf of all Nittany Lions everywhere, I suspect a lot of fans think like I do. Unattractive matchups will lead to poor ticket sales and television ratings which leads to less dollars. And we all know how the NCAA feels about less dollars.

So I think the best solution has to be an eight team playoff where the conference champions from the six BCS schools automatically get in. The remaining two schools will be selected from the conference champions of the non-BCS schools. This will allow the Hawaii's and Boise States to get in when they have good years, but we won't be forced to watch the lions and tigers eat the Christians like Roman days.

This post turned out longer than I intended. Sorry about that. But it's the offseason so let's have the college football playoff free-for-all debate.

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I don't necessarily agree....
with the conference champions as the only criteria for selection.  In addition to ND, what would you do for the Pac-10, Big-11, Big East as well.  We would need a playoff to truly determine conference champions and that means either changing the conference championship rule or adding 2,1 and 4 teams, respectively.

Not only that, I think you deprive some deserving teams of a chance just b/c they play in a tough conference.  If you look at the NFL, we'd most likely be looking at the Patriots as Champs instead of the Giants.  But on the other hand I guess you could look at CBB, as most teams that win the NC win their conference tournament beforehand.

by Screen Name 20 on Apr 30, 2008 1:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Traveling fans
Mike , you make a good point about fans having to travel with the plus 1 format. How would they sell tickets to a game when you don't know who was going to play until one week before. Would tickets be sold in advance to all 4 schools?
Then there's the whole situation of hotel rooms and air travel. I think the best solution is to continue the season with playoffs. The higher ranked teams would get home field advantage. In this scenario you would have a built in  fan base and ticket sells.
The championship game could be played the day after New Years. This would give 2 or 3 weeks for ticket sells and to make travel arrangements. The other bowls could host consolation games.

by ageing lion on Apr 30, 2008 1:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Who would go?
All the advance ticket sales just like the final 4 and Superbowl...
Peter

by psuboy on Apr 30, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fans
So fans would have to be willing to commit a couple of grand to go to a game their team may not be playing in?

by ageing lion on Apr 30, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Playoffs
BCS Conf. winners and next two in the BCS rankings period.  The season is the first round.  How many times can you truthfully say that a team from a non BCS Conf. that was not one of the next two in the rankings would deserve to be there any way.  The teams that do not get in can still have their bowl games.
Many of the March Madness games were not sell outs either.  
Teams and Alums/fans travel to see away games all season long.  Why would they not travel to see their team in a playoff game.
Peter

by psuboy on Apr 30, 2008 1:52 PM EDT   0 recs

The solution is soooooo simple
It really is...

You go back to the old bowl system, and play all of the games on New Years Day. Let the each conference cut whatever bowl deals they want, and then let them live with the consequences. You can't bitch if about where your league sent you, if your own league sent you there, right? The Bowls are saved, tradition is restored, the purists are satisfied.

You play a plus one game selecting the two teams using either the current or slightly tweaked BCS formula, which includes the results of the January 1 games, to select participants for the final game.

The final game is played the first Friday night seven days after January 1st, and it's hosted on a rotating basis by each of the leagues.  They can play it wherever they want, but it's treated like the Super Bowl (ie the tickets are allotted to sponsors, the host conferences teams etc.), not a college bowl game, where the participating teams have to sell all the tickets. How will Ohio State's fans get there? Who cares? They'll get a couple thousand seats at best.

This game would be a license to print money.

Further, the bowls would function as an uber-regular season week, all the games would theoretically matter, rather than just two.

Perfect? Nope. Simple, realistic and achievable?  Yup.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 30, 2008 1:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Or...
Imagine if you cut a deal with the NFL, who would play divisional playoff games at 12:00 and 4:15 on a Saturday and the National Title game kicks off at 9:30.  

I think that day might be bigger than the Super Bowl.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that day would be insane
All of those quality football games???  I would be in heaven
Roar Lions Roar

by rmcmillen50 on Apr 30, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

conference champ?
this basically means we would have to consistently beat AT LEAST two of the three each year (THEM, tOSU, Wisc.). . . i don't see that happening anytime soon.

BUT...i could be wrong.

I, too, hate hearing teams bitch about how they finish 3rd in their conference b/c it's tougher....but let's face it...it's true. Put Tennesse and Georgia in the Big East and see what happens. No way WVU or Louisville is getting through both those teams every year. Don't talk to me about Rutgers or South Florida...okay...they blow.

I think they should go through the season as they normally do...with rankings. And at the end of the year, they should take the top eight, ten, sixteen...whatever...and set up a playoff. Any team ranked 9th, 11th, or 17th can shut up. When have we ever thought a 9th place team should have a shot to play for the Nat'l Championship?

Season too long? Shorten the regular season by a game.

by Stately NOVA Lion on Apr 30, 2008 2:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Shorten the season....
and take away a possible home game against Coastal Carolina....blasphemy!!!!

by Screen Name 20 on Apr 30, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not happening
ESPN radio just reported that the meetings concluded  and the idea was put to rest. No play in games folks.
Angelo

by nittanyroar on Apr 30, 2008 2:33 PM EDT   0 recs

What! I am shocked....
ok just kidding. Some how i figured that is what would happen.

On a lighter note i would like to thank all of you for providing a worthwhile distraction from my German final tommorrow. If it wasn't for all of you, expecially Mike i might actually be done more of this. However, i am glad to be reading this and also read that we picked up our third committment Mark Arcidiacono today!

by PSUfooball13 on Apr 30, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

why
was a representative for ND present at this meeting?  They choose not to be in a conference, so screw them.

Am i also to infer that the representative from ND has as much influence as another commissioner?

JD

by psudrozz on Apr 30, 2008 5:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Why? Here's why.
I am embarrassed why we as Nit fans continue to bash Notre Dame.  Can't we support the 'Nits without constantly ripping a team we don't even play?  I really am beginning to believe we have an inferiority complex as compared to the Irish.

Why do the champions of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences get automatic berths, while the champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference only earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if their team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings???

Whether you want to believe it or not, it is harder under the current BCS rules for Notre Dame to qualify for a BCS bowl than for a team from the WAC, since ND can only be an automatic qualifier if they finish the season ranked number 8 or higher in the final BCS poll.  Do you realize that fact?

Regardless, Notre Dame is, was, and may always be the 800-pound gorilla of big-money college football. If Notre Dame is in your game, you are going to get better ratings, better advertising, and better ticket sales - period, end of discussion.

The BCS has made its bed - and the Irish are right there in it. Do the Irish deserve the BCS? Doesn't matter - they're there. They're in because the bowls, the other BCS teams and networks want them in. And so do fans. ND has long enjoyed a love/hate relationship with most of the CFB fan base. The Irish aren't going to be left out of the BCS any time soon.

by PSU1986 on May 1, 2008 6:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wait a second
so you don't have a problem with ND getting equal representation as an entire conference?

Given the blatent media slant toward Notre Dame, i would say that it is easier for them to get a BCS tie in.  and that's my conspiracy theory.  Just look at the last time they went.

i understand that ND = $$$, even in a down year;
i just find it dubious that a team that refuses to join a conference should be involved in a meeting that would involve such matters as BCS tie-ins.

JD

by psudrozz on May 1, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No problem here.
Notre Dame is currently a part of the BCS, correct?  As such, they should have representation.  To expect otherwise is silly.  Now if the argument is whether the BCS should exclude ND unless they join a conference, then that is a different argument, but one that is unlikely to ever happen.  No more likely than saying the BCS could exclude the Big Ten.

In all honestly, I don't see a blatant media slant toward ND.  I believe that Notre Dame has an equal media bias for and against them.  For every voter that votes ND higher in the pools than they deserve, there is one that votes them lower. Obviously, NBC favors ND because of their network deal, but ESPN and the other networks don't do the Irish any favors.  A recent New York Times article was posted by Mike on this site blasting ND's proposal with Rutgers.  A proposal that was the same as one our 'Nits had with Rutgers.  I don't seem to recall any uproar then from the media.  

My argument is that the Irish are both helped and hurt by their media attention.  If anything, I would argue that USC and Florida appear to be the media darlings.  How much negative press do you see against the mighty Trojans and Gators?

by PSU1986 on May 1, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great post Mike
I understand where almost everyone is coming from on the BCS. But you have to admit, college football is more popular than ever because of the controversial system in place now. And your best point had to be the feasibility of fans to travel from bowl game to bowl game in succession.

I was at the Orange Bowl in 2005 and that single trip down to Miami was both tiring and expensive. Hotel rooms, tickets, transportation. Can you imagine if Penn State made its way through a 3 round playoff to the national championship? Fans might have to go through destinations from Miami to Tempe to Pasadena. Not your average fan's price range.

Once again great post, I always enjoy your insight but in this case I have to make sure that I voice my support for a relatively unpopular system we currently have here:

http://nittanywhiteout.com/2008/05/01/the-rose-curtain/

by meanjoe on May 2, 2008 1:32 AM EDT   0 recs

Fans Traveling........
I think what you would see would be what Jesse intimated.......more of a Super Bowl crowd.  I don't know that it matters to the folks in charge how many PSU fans make one of those games as long as somebody goes to them and pays major bucks to be seen at them.  Pro teams play playoff games on the road all the time.  If you had a DII or DIII type system....maybe you have the two play in games take place at the team with the higher seeds home stadium and it sells out with their fans and few diehards.  Then the championship game is where the lower seeded teams fans put all the money for travel should they make it.  The higher seeded teams fans then can have a home game and then travel once just like they would now if their team played into the title game.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on May 2, 2008 9:59 AM EDT   0 recs

I wonder
if the SEC would be agreeable with that. As it is right now, teams from up north travel south (for the most part), but would the SEC want to come up and play in the cold?

by PSU Nick on May 2, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Trust me.........
I understand not wanting to play in the cold.....or for that matter spending vacation time, frequent flyer miles, and money to freeze my nuts off :)  However, it would be nice to see some of these southern schools up North once in a while.  It will be cool to see Ohio State and UT play each other and obviously I can't wait to see PSU and Bama play each other even though I imagine these games will be played early on when the weather isn't too bad.  
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on May 2, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly, they will be in Sept or early Oct
The same complaint can be applied to northern teams not playing in Florida in Aug or Sept. Really outside of Penn State playing away at Miami or teams playing conference games (like BC) no other matchups spring to mind. Hell, Texas almost lost at UCF last year when they opened their new stadium. My point is that a playoff is far more complicated than most people realize and while the SEC wants one, I get the feeling they want it on their terms. I don't believe they'd back an idea where they might have to play at Penn State, BC, Michigan (or St.), Ohio St, Wisconsin, Illinois, ND, Rutgers, Pitt, Washington (or St.), Oregon (or St.) or heaven forbid Minnesota's new outdoor stadium, when that opens, in a playoff game in Dec or Jan. It would be amazing to see games like that though.

by PSU Nick on May 2, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

F#$k `em.
The SEC doesn't want a playoff, Georgia does. This year. They'll want a playoff right up until they are number two and somebody else gets frozen out. Georgia lost two games last year. Georgia should shut the hell up. Auburn went undefeated and untied exactly once and didn't win a National Title...So? The theory that the whole world should stop because some SEC team didn't get a shot that they consider to be their birthright doesn't move me in any significant way.

1968, 1969, 1972, 1994.

Undefeated. Untied. Unrewarded.

Why don't Auburn and [snicker] Georgia try to find some pride and dignity in getting "slighted" instead of whining like a bunch of four year olds.

F#$k `em.

For the Glory National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on May 2, 2008 8:31 PM EDT   0 recs

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