Comcast Loses, But Wins Because They Say So [I'm Confused Too]
Why will no one, and I mean no one, even make an attempt to explore the facts of this agreement? After months of bashing Comcast and piling on the Big Ten in the newspapers, after all the time and effort that was put into high horsed rants, you'd think one guy would try and break down the agreement for their readers. Unfortunately, all we get is more of this crap:
Hey Big Ten fans, this deal should make you nervous. I have only one thing to say about the Big Ten Network's deal with Comcast: "Whether you're a superfan or a budget-conscious consumer, this isn't fair."
That last sentence is in quotes because he pulled it from one of the internet's most misleading and flat out stupid web sites: puttingfansfirst.org. I'd explore this further but nothing that follows really links to this supposed thesis.
The Big Ten, meanwhile, said its network absolutely, positively, had to be on expanded basic. And the Big Ten gave in, too. In the spring of 2009, Comcast can move the network to a digital tier.
Right, a digital tier that will keep the BTN in over 80% of footprint houses and have no effect on the number of subscribers in non-footprint houses. This is the same 80% that will probably become 95% in under five years because of the appeal of DVR and the overall, non-BTN related push by Comcast for all of their subscribers to move to digital.
But Big Ten representatives were far more honest about their goals than the Comcast people were. And that's why this deal should make you nervous.
That makes no sense.
After all this haggling, we still don't know what Comcast's goals are. Yeah, sure, we know that Comcast wants trucks full of suitcases full of oodles of piles of cash.
Is Dennis Dodd writing this article? Did he really just say one thing and then say the exact opposite without so much as a line break? And how is Comcast working negotiations to maximize profit different than what every single publicly traded corporation does? Why in the world am I nervous?
It is tempting to say that viewers will decide -- that if there is enough interest in the Big Ten Network, Comcast will put it on expanded basic. That makes sense to a degree: Comcast will supply what the customers demand.
Let's be very clear about this: Comcast does not give a damn about their customers. They didn't care when millions of people wrote to complain when the BTN was totally blacked out on their network, and they sure aren't going to care when a very small fraction of that number write in to whine about this. The 20% who are affected are a lot more likely to simply upgrade than cross their fingers and write letters with nasty words in them. This is, of course, exactly what Comcast wants. Putting the network on expanded basic only decreases the amount of money they make, it has no effect on the amount of expenses they incur. Besides, most people don't have a lot of cable options; Comcast has little incentive to actually care about what their customers think.
The SEC, by the way, is likely to decide very soon whether to launch its own network. That might explain why Comcast is putting the Big Ten Network on a one-year trial. Comcast can maintain the threat of demoting the Big Ten Network. And that threat could scare the SEC into signing a deal with Comcast. [emphasis mine]
This deal, along with the existing non-Comcast agreements, means that the BTN is going to be available on expanded basic to 13 million subscribers in the footprint and 42 million non-footprint subscribers through the sports tier. If Comcast follows through in this apparently terrible threat of "demoting" the BTN, it will be available on expanded basic to 12 million subscribers in the footprint and 42 million non-footprint subscribers through the sports tier. For those of you who learn better through charts:
| Area | Pre-Demotion | Post Demotion | % Change |
| Footprint | 13 million | 12 million | 8% |
| Non-Footprint | 42 million | 42 million | 0% |
| Total | 55 million | 54 million | 2% |
I apologize if I took the doomsday out of your story but I just don't see it. I'm left sitting here asking myself it you lied to us on purpose to setup a punchline or if you are just too lazy to actually read the agreement.
Comcast is in this to win.
And Comcast gets to define winning.
Stay tuned -- if Comcast will let you.
He actually spaced his sentences like that.
This is really why I wrote this post: I'm tired of reading stories about this agreement in which the author miscommunicate facts, or simply lies, in order to fit the deal into some type of preconceived opinion about what is actually going on. I'd love to play along and join in the suspense, but the deal is done and I'm afraid we are all going to have to start coming up with new material.
Why? Because Comcast was pwned. They not only compromised on their highest offer of 25 cents a subscriber, they also totally caved on 98% of the distribution issues.
And there is a bigger picture here: Comcast's total submission means that the other cable companies, which represent about half of the total cable subscribers in the country, are going to have to give into the exact same demands as Comcast. It's twice as nice for the Big Ten.
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by Holy Buckeye on Jun 24, 2008 8:44 AM EDT 0 recs
i was torn
pwn3d is also a popular choice.
i really wanted to use the term “pwnage”, but it wouldn’t really fit so I’ll have to save that for another post.
by Kevin HD on Jun 24, 2008 8:50 AM EDT 0 recs
It's $5, who cares?
I’ve had the sports tier on Comcast for years, since pretty much all I watch is sports.
Last night I was switching between Texas Tech’s crushing of Iowa State last fall and the Browns beating the Bills 8-0 in the snow.
Now if I could just get rid of all of the news channels and the women channels, I’d pay Comcast $5 more.
by CDRS on Jun 24, 2008 9:16 AM EDT 0 recs
My question is...
If you already have the Sports Tier with Comcast, will the BTN just be added to that package, or will there be an additional charge?
"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees
by kajpsu on
Jun 27, 2008 8:52 AM EDT
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no charge
although it is possible that they could raise the monthly cost.
by Kevin HD on
Jun 27, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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I'm just glad
that BTN’s gonna be on Comcast a few days after I move to my new apartment in August, especially since cable’s already included. I’ve enjoyed living in an apartment with D&E, because of their quick agreement with the BTN a year ago, and being able to watch games that weren’t “on TV” at my friends’ places. Too bad BTN will probably never have a better moment for me than when I came home from the FIU game to watch the last 2 minutes of the App State-scUM game. It’s been all downhill from there. :-)
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM EDT 0 recs
I watched the FIU game at the bar
left and missed the end of that game, still one of my biggest regrets.
Although I did get to see the replay about 7000 times over the next two days, so i guess worse things have happened.
by Kevin HD on
Jun 24, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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Switch to dish...
Comcast is losing more and more customers everyday and rightly so….it sucks….DirectTV and Dish Network are much better alternatives
by PSUfanSTUCKinSECland on Jun 24, 2008 10:34 AM EDT 0 recs
Cablevision in NJ
Does anyone know if BTN is going to available to Cablevision customers in north Jersey? I think comcast owns cablevision, so does that mean BTN will also be available to cablevision customers starting in August?
Also, just a shot in the dark….does anyone have extra Michigan tickets they are looking to sell for a reasonable price? If so, I’d love to buy them! Thanks.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jun 24, 2008 10:38 AM EDT 0 recs
Re: Dish
Take comcast’s shitty customer service out of the question(I have time warner, and always have, so I can’t argue specifically comcast versus dish), why is a dish so much better than digital cable?
I’ve never understood this argument. There is a reason that the FCC is allowing dish services to ‘downgrade’ their HD channels for the next 5 years. It is because it takes up too much bandwidth, and the dish services can’t handle it. If they were able to comply with the original deadline, February of this year, then you may have an argument. Now your dish “HD” package, doesn’t necessarily have to be in HD, even though they can still say that it is. Digital cable companies did not ask for any leeway, because they do not need it.
Its hard to argue against cable’s “triple play”-type packages as well. Unless something drastic happens, that’s going to be one hell of a competitive advantage for awhile.
by Holy Buckeye on Jun 24, 2008 10:54 AM EDT 0 recs
Verizon + DTV = Good
I just switched the above combo after having Comcast for a few years. The Comcast Triple Play deal is good, but there are so many surcharges other charges for upgraded services that my Comcast bill was approaching $160-$170/month. So far, I’m rather pleased with the DirecTV / Verizon phone&internet combination.
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by Run Up The Score on
Jun 24, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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Comacast v. DirecTV
1. Take comcast’s shitty customer service out of the question - Why would I want to do that? I’ve actually called DTV and gotten blackouts taken off because they were incorrectly applied in my area (it happens about twice a season, no matter whether you have cable or DTV). I had a similar (but much worse problem) with cable 75% of the games on the PPV were blacked out, and they told me those were the breaks. DTV actually put me on the phone with ESPN once to get it sorted out.
2. The picture is much better. Cable goes through cable (Duh) and picture quality is lost to the cable and further, depending on where you live the actual cable cables get old, whcih is why the picture gets fuzzy and a lot of digital fearture don’t work properly.
3. Believe it or not, DTV is more reliable too….at least in my neighborhood. In two years I’ve lost picture twice, I used to lose picture at least twice a month when I had cable. My DVR works flawlesly, and the on-demand features on cable always shoddy at best.
4. Better access to pay-per-view sports. MLB and NFL are not even offered on cable.
5. You don’t have to get your phone and internet services through DTV to get a reasonable deal, keep in mind that introdutory offer expires at some point and you’ll start paying full price.
6. They install if free, and they’ll put the recievers anywhere you want them in you house. We have an older ouse that only had two cable hookups, and one was in a closet. DTV installed four different rooms for free, and put the hook-ups exactly where I wanted them. For free.
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by jesse. on
Jun 24, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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Wireless/Aircard
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by jesse. on
Jun 24, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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Dish vs Cable
I think you are taking a headline about dish and making assumptions that aren’t true.
1st, the waiver for dish systems only applies to the “local” channels not all of their digital channels. From this perspective you are correct that the cable system will provide a clearer picture of the local channels then dish will. However, this does not apply to the national channels (ESPN, HBO, etc). Both cable and dish systems compress their digital channels. It is my understanding that cable systems compress more then dish systems and that is why dish will appear crisper. Of course all of this is relative to the size of your TV. It you have a 30” screen I doubt you will notice any difference. It you have a 60” screen you will. Currently HDTV is broadcast in the 720 mode. So you will not see any difference on a TV that has 1080 capabilities versus a 720.
2nd, the dish systems have a legitimate reason to ask for the waiver. Cable systems need to allocate up to 10 channels to cover local TV stations. They reuse these 10 channels for each local market. Dish on the other hand can not reuse channels on their satellites for different parts of the country (the nature of the technology) and therefore needs to develop new technology to accommodate hundreds of local channels that will require additional band width.
In my opinion the best reception will be “over the air" broadcasts (no compression) followed by disk (but not on local channels) then cable. If you have a smaller TV then none of this really matters as the differences will be negligible so go with the cheapest.
by ageing lion on
Jun 24, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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Good Journalism
Kevin! I like analysis of others’ (lack of) analysis. One of my favorite things about reading this blog.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on Jun 24, 2008 1:26 PM EDT 0 recs
there aren't very many sites i like better than that one
and thanks.
by Kevin HD on
Jun 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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It's one of the best out there
I just love how they tear into horrible journalism. Of course Buzz Bissinger probably disagrees.
by speedomike on
Jun 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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While I agree with your main point and most of what you say...
I just wanted to point out that moving the BTN from Standard Cable to digital will affect those that have fewer cable boxes than TV’s, like myself. Since I live outside the Big Ten footprint, this won’t affect me personally, anyone in the footprint who has the same setup as me would be affected. I have a cable box on the good TV downstairs, but not the TV upstairs. Furthermore, I have the cable going into my PC and run a PVR, but it is near the upstairs TV. So, if I were in the footprint, I would lose the ability to record the BTN & to watch it on the upsatirs TV if it were moved.
As I mentioned elsewhere, the Sports Tier would cost me $7.95, not the $5 other get to pay. If I did get it, it would only be on the downstairs TV. Maybe I should convince my wife to move the cable box upstairs. She usually watches downstairs & never watches anything that isn’t on standard, analog cable anyway, well hardly ever.
by Elihu on Jun 24, 2008 3:15 PM EDT 0 recs













