Cookin' With A Guy Who Is Talking Nonsense
by KevinHD on Jun 5, 2008 9:20 AM EDT
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PrintYesterday, Deadspin decided to continue their poll series by asking the readers what they thought of Beano Cook . Without even reading the post, or really knowing much about the old man, I did my part to further the Dissaproval Cause.
Why all the negativity, you ask? Because I can be irrational and short sighted. I also don't like it when people spew false information to make themselves feel better.
In response to a question regarding who will be awarded champion of the Epic Win Battle, good old Beano didn't dissapoint :
The reason Joe Paterno will catch Bobby Bowden and pass him either this year or next is because Penn State's non-league schedule is an absolute disgrace. May I say to these college coaches that refuse to play good non-league schedules, don't go to the pros. You don't have any say in the opponent, time or date of game. One thing about Bowden, he isn't afraid to play anybody and if the Indy Colts want to play him some Sunday, Bowden will show up.
Ya, the Indy Colts, and D1-aa schools Western Carolina and Chattanooga (Are you kidding me? Two in one season?). The guy has no fear.
Now to schedule them for financial reasons is one thing, but it's pretty clear this is simply a weak attempt to stall until the 453 players caught in the cheating scandal become eligible. Although that can't be the case, you see, because Bowden isn't bothered by half his team cheating in on tests:
Q: There was an academic cheating scandal at Florida State that involved a significant number of football players. As the head coach how did that affect you and did you feel responsible? A: It didn't bother me because I knew there was no involvement by me or my staff. But I didn't know about it until the president told me. My staff didn't know about it until I told them. I know some people will say 'you're the head coach' but there are a number of things like this that the head coach does not know.
[I'm not even going to get into this, you know what I'm going to say]
Then there is the rest of the schedule: we are taking about an ACC that hasn't won a BCS bowl game since 2000. So, you know, the other 2/3rds of the schedule isn't exactly loaded with power house squads.
Getting back to Beano: I suppose with him being a Pitt alum, and an old man, it doesn't make sense to try and figure him out...but as a self proclaimed "college football historian", you think he'd look something up once in a while.
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Beano
This is the same guy that predicted 2 Heisman awards for Ron Powlus when he choose Notre Dame.
the idiot formerly known as "joepadon"
I Like......
listening to Beano even when he isn’t saying nice things about PSU. He’s an original. I hope I can remember half the stuff he does when I am his age. Just hope I don’t have his Turkey Waddle.
I think Beano is suffering from a lot of what we suffer from…....remembering the old days…..the common sentiment is that Bowden played anyone anywhere back in the day to build the program into the power it was in the 90s.
They do have Colorado and Florida on the schedule. I don’t know that we can compete with those two OOC games. FWIW. Syrcause, Temple, and Coastal Carolina. Last year FSU played Alabama, Colorado, and Florida. That’s pretty impressive when compared to Buffalo, Temple, FIU and ND.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Mark May
I can deal with Beano, but Mark May, now that is a guy that drives me up a wall. that guy still thinks Larry Fitzgerald was the greatest WR of all time. I’m assuming he would also stick up for Antonio Bryant too.
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on Jun 5, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not here to defend PSU’s schedule, but to try call one Cuse, Temple, Coastal, ND, and Org St “an absolute disgrace” and then turn around and praise a guy who is playing Western Carolina,Chattanooga, Colorado (are they really much better than Cuse? They lost to a Iaa program not that long ago), and Florida?
Props for Florida, but to draw a line between these two programs is a little ridiculous.
Besides, this is only 4 of the 13 games teams play every year. The record isn’t “Most OOC Wins”. Also, and I don’t know the answer to this: do the win totals we look at every week include wins against D1aa teams?
I looked this up once
The win totals count all wins, not just Div 1[a] wins. If you backed out non-D1[a] wins Paterno would have more wins than Bowden.
SInce Bowden took over at Florida State, they have played 8 D-1aa schools, Penn State has played 3. Bowden also won 31 games at Howard which was a D-1aa school albeit before there was a distinction.
Facts as Facts, Joe Paterno has the most Division One Coaching wins, Bobby Bowden is the D-1a coach that the most total wins regardless of level. With 453 wins John Gagliardi has the most wins regardless of level.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
Win Totals
I would have to assume they include wins against I-AA teams.
But I thought only one win per year against I-AA opponents gets included into the BCS win formula for each team? That’s why you started to see teams schedule I-AA opponents b/c they counted in the BCS formula, when they previously didn’t. If that’s still the case, FSU has two in one year and would “lose” a win. Not sure if anyone can confirm that for me?
by Screen Name 20 on Jun 5, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And Keep in Mind
We play in the Big Ten, so we have conference games against Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin every year on top of the usual plucky teams like Purdue, Illinois, and Iowa.
FSU has to play in the ACC. While VT and Miami are traditionally respectable programs, they’re no Michigan and Ohio State. And once you get past that your next best teams are Virginia, Boston College and Wake Forest. Hardly a murderer’s row. And we don’t get gimme games against Duke and North Carolina every year. FSU has to schedule good competition out of conference because their conference is a disgrace.
Mike
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Plucky
Nice description of Purdue, Ill & IA! I’m not sure if Mich State fits in this plucky category, but I’m getting more and more scared of what Dantonio can do with them up there.
Convivite Nudem!
MSU
They will be respectable soon, but we’re still blowing them out of the water in recruiting. And with RichRod being all the craze in Michigan it’s not going to get any easier for Dantonio. So I’m a few years away from being worried about them.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Beano!
I don’t take him seriously, but I like him. He’s more than a little wacky, but he’s not as condescending as Mark May or as blatantly/stupidly arrogant as May’s role model, Trev Alberts.
-- Run Up The Score http://runupthescore.wordpress.com
by Run Up The Score on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
Beano
He picked us to win the NC before the season, so I wouldn’t get to steamed.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
Those two games...
vs Western Carolina and Chattanooga were actually scheduled after the cheating scandal broke. Sure, Bobby can say he wasn’t bothered, he didn’t know, and so on, but he certainly does care about that win total.
Missing 30 players for the first three games of the season? Schedule Western Carolina, Chattanooga and Wake Forest as your first three opponents. (Sure, Wake Forest beat F$U 30-0 last time they played in Tallahassee, but it’s still Wake Forest…)
WE ARE...
Wake Forest
That’s a conference game, so I doubt FSU had much control over scheduling that one. But something tells me if they could have put Troy on the schedule they would have.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Look.........
I am not a FSU fan….....trust me…....I can’t stand em. But let’s be reasonable here…...sure…..this years FSU OOC Schedule is lame…....but again….....Last year they had Colorado, Alabama AND Florida. Please….....when is the last time we scheduled that kind of OOCS. Looking forward, their 4 OOC games are made up with the likes of Florida, West Virginia, BYU, Air Force, and Oklahoma with Maine and Nevada as one time home paydays. Meanwhile, we have lined up Alabama and that is it. The last thing we can do is complain about FSU’s OOC until we do a little better ourselves. JMHO.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Weak non conference???
In the last 10 years here are some of the non conference games we’ve had:
Pitt, Nebraska (still the greatest game I’ve ever been to), Virginia, Boston College, Miami, Notre Dame, Arizona, So Miss (and Oregon State this year)
Try and name 10 teams, or better yet 5 teams, who’ve taken that many quality non conference games. You have to remember that these games are scheduled far in advance so even if Notre Dame sucks like they did last year, it is still a quality non conference game. Take a look at the non conference schedule for a team like Wisconsin. Joke.
As for Florida State. C’mon. They play Florida, who’s obviously tough and they have taken some tough games other than that. But to say that Penn State takes weaker games is ridiculous. I won’t lie, I think Bobby Bowden is a nice, respectful guy. But the fact remains that he runs a dirty program and has a lot of wins that shouldn’t count towards his total.
by fugghetaboutit17 on Jun 8, 2008 2:34 AM EDT reply actions
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