Post-Paterno Era: Ferentz and Schiano
Quietly, over the last week or so, a little light was cast on the Post-Paterno Era. Not all of it was good news, but it was news none the less and things must be discussed.
Ferentz. The Iowa Saga has been well documented at this point. In an apparent effort to ease the PR impact of rape allegations, the Iowa administration fell into a classic FAIL that may end up with all of them being dismissed. Seeing as the accused were on Ferentz's football team, he appears to have at least something to do with the disturbing news.
Regardless of the outcome here, it's clear that Penn State isn't touching this with the proverbial ten foot poll.
Schiano. His rejection of two legitimate offers has been widely misunderstood. Miami was a total disaster. The idea of throwing away everything you've worked for at Rutgers (bowls, rankings, etc.) for a Everything Is Broken version of the Hurricanes seem foolish no matter how long you held the DC position there.
As for the pass on the Michigan job, this all depends on who you ask. It's further complicated by the amount of ego involved: who was actually rejected in this situation, and for what suitor? And so goes the message board banter.

So to get back to biased analysis, no one would actually turn down the "Job Up North" for Rutgers, would they? It seems unlikely, even for the most loyal of leaders. Yet it happened, maybe. Unless he turned them down for Penn State.
So in light of some reasonably reliable evidence that Schiano was this close being issued an M block polo shirt, how does one Penn State fan fit that into their current paradigm?
Facilities and buyouts. And of course the recent buzz (thanks to Jesse for the Fanshot):
A clause in Rutgers football coach Greg Schiano's contract allows him to leave without financial penalty if the university does not complete the 14,000-seat expansion of Rutgers Stadium by 2009, The Star-Ledger of Newark, N.J., reported Wednesday.
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Rutgers officials say the first phase of the $102 million stadium renovation, which will add about 1,000 "premium" seats, will be completed by the Sept. 1 home opener against Fresno State,. But officials said earlier this month bids on the second phase -- adding another 13,000 seats to the stadium -- came in $18 million higher than anticipated, the newspaper reported
Penn State's facilities are infinitely better than those currently in Rutgers, and while they are trying, it's going to take a lot of time, money, and bureaucratic nonsense to get them up to the level Penn State.
The money. This news comes after the accounting sidestep that allows RU to guarantee their coach an additional $250k without having to report it. That original side deal also included a $500k buyout, the one that would be voided if the above mentioned stadium upgrade isn't completed. So in one hand you have the additional compensation that would be turned down if he decides to jump ship, but he also potentially saves himself the buyout.
What's important to note, I think, is that we aren't actually talking about very much money. Not for Penn State, Rutgers, or even Schiano.
The connections, exposure, etc. So we are actually left asking the same old questions. For a quick review of the pro's I'll defer to Mandel:
1) Schiano spent six seasons at Penn State learning from Joe Paterno during the early, formative stages of his career, as opposed to two seasons at Miami under Butch Davis following a stint in the NFL. Which do you think he has stronger ties to?
2) At Penn State, Schiano would likely be able to maintain his hold on New Jersey talent while also tapping into the far-richer Ohio and Pennsylvania pools. He would likely help restore the school's national cachet as well.
3) In 2006, Rutgers went 10-2 and wound up in the Texas Bowl. The same result at Penn State gets you an invite to a BCS game. Last season, the Scarlet Knights went 7-5 and ended their season in Toronto. At Penn State, 7-5 still earns you a trip to Orlando.
4) Most importantly: Penn State can likely afford to pay Schiano nearly triple what Rutgers does (especially with all the money it's saved by not having to pay Joe Paterno market value these past 40 years). [debatable --ed]
The biggest counter point I keep reading is that Schiano would be foolish to leave a potentially easy run at multiple BCS games for a Penn State team that hasn't been able to get over the hump in two years. Now that RichRod is out, why give up wide open spaces for the crowded and juggernaut heavy Big Ten.
I don't quite get it. Playing against crappier teams doesn't make you any better at your job, and it doesn't make your team any more talented. It sounds like a situation where you let fear of failure trump increased opportunity. That doesn't sound attractive to me. Being afraid to lose is what got us here in the first place.
The way I see it, this is working out either way. When Paterno finally does step down, Schiano will be one of the first outside hire interviews (although not necessarily the number one interview). If he is up for the challenge, great, that makes him a good option. If it makes more sense to him to remain in a weak conference, at a school with sub-par facilities and substantially less national exposure, all because the Big Ten is too scary, that's fine too. That isn't the kind of coach the program needs anyway.
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Recruiting
All opinions regarding Schiano’s coaching expertise aside – I think he’d be an absolute BEAST on the recruiting trail. You’ve got guys like the Zooker out their pulling in huge classes.. We’re still getting guys with minimal traveling by Joe – just think if you had a charismatic guy out on the trail… We still have the same history and clout of any team out there.. We’d be pulling down the top 5 classes.
by smashmouthsteel on
Jul 24, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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i tend to agree
he’s already built a strong base in PA, NJ and NY. If PSU could continue to recruit MD and VA, along a surge in western pa and ohio, he would be a monster.
He also has strong ties in FL.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Jul 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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ill blows my mind
i’m looking forward to that game.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Jul 24, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Mind Also Blown
Yeah, the more these dbags are hyped like this, the more it makes me want a really ugly beatdown. Round up the fellas, pile in the RV, head to the End Zone early Fri, move on to the RV park before closing, park that beast, and get our party on. Then let it build all day til an 8p whiteout slaying of these posers.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Jul 24, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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Fired Up!!!!!
I can’t wait for this game either – there is not a better way to enter the big ten season. They are overhyped – which will help us in any case – when we chase them around Beaver stadium for three hours attempting to stick a hot poker up Juice Williams ass. Exciting stuff indeed!!!!
by smashmouthsteel on
Jul 24, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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Deferring to Mandel
Usually pretty risky, but was nailed here. Thanks for staying away from any schoolboy ‘crushes’
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Jul 24, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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Fired UP
I can’t wait for this season…
....my bold prediction for this year is simple….
2008 O$U = 2007 scUM
Ton of returning Senior Talent and according to the talking heads a NC lock!
Pat Devlin in '08
by Nick7 on
Jul 24, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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Schiano
Actually getting back to the topic, I can’t seen Schiano leaving Rutgers now.
They converted part of a nature preserve so he could build his house next to the football facilities. That is one thing Schiano always wanted.
He also wants to be a Joe Paterno. IE coach at one place for 20+ years being everything to that program. He has that going on now at Rutgers.
Yes, PSU is an upgrade over Rutgers and it would make more sense to coach in State College, Schiano really is right at the edge of building a powerhouse in NJ.
I just can’t see him jumping ship right now.
by DrDetroit on
Jul 24, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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If the PSU job is offered he is taking it.....
As I have said before …...I have spoken with a few people that are close with Schiano (they were fraternity brothers with him at Bucknell). PSU is where he started his career and it is his dream job! Not to mention it is one of the premier jobs in the country. Not many other schools have the kind of luster that PSU does ….probably only Alabama, USC, OSU, ND, Michigan and LSU. And for those who say Nebraska….it does not even come close. Remember the pollsters had to give Tom Osbone his first title as we all know who the 94 NC should have been! Back on point…All that crap about him wanting to shy away from competition is BS. Schiano is a competitor! IF (and it is a big if, because JoePa wants his replacement coming from inside the program) Schiano is offered the job…....he will be the next coach at PSU! And I do agree that he will be a SICK recruiter. Look at his class this year. Right now he actually has grabbed a few guys we really wanted including Gerald Hodges! With the PSU tradition and facilities behind him, he will be competing for the cream of the crop with Miles, Saben and that j/o at at USC.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on
Jul 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
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Let me just say...
That I honestly hope you don’t have to go through the hell that was our coaching search this past winter, fortunately I’m happy with how it all turned out, but trust me, the process is pure agony. It is an absolutely abysmal time where daily rumors of “Ferentz was on a plane last night to Ann Arbor” will absolutely kill your morning, afternoon, and evening. Just trust me on this, it’s no fun. Then you wake up the next day and hear that now it’s Brady Hoke!!!
That said, I have to say that I think Schiano would be a TREMENDOUS hire for the Penn State program. He was one of the few candidates that we looked at during our hectic search that actually piqued my interest. He’s a solid recruiter (although he’d be stepping onto a MUCH more difficult recruiting stage than where he is currently), is a young and solid X’s and O’s guy, and he’s a defensive minded coach who’s got the game-planning ability that your program (no offense) currently lacks.
Here’s the question I have, do you think he would have the freedom to make changes to the staff as he sees fit, or would there be a few sticking points regarding people in certain positions? He would have to be able to bring in a support staff that will enable him to have some clout to bring in some offensive difference makers… I think you all know who I’m getting at with that one.
It’ll be interesting to see how this develops to say the least.
Go Blue!
by ThoseWhoStay on
Jul 27, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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i think he'd be a fool
to accept with conditions about keeping Jay other coaches on board that he don’t think fit in his program. That being said, TB and LJSR are two guys that come to mind that would (1) be great assets, and (2) probably at least consider staying on board.
But to your point, no way they will get a guy like GS with conditions that set him up to fail.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Jul 27, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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