Recruiting Update
With the recent good news of Adam Gress and Curtis Dukes that gives Penn State 14 verbal commitments to date for the class of 2009. Since we're now over half way full in this class I thought it would be a good time to step back and examine how we're doing and look ahead to what we need to focus on going forward.
If you recall back in the spring I went through the team unit by unit breaking down how I thought the scholarships should be allocated. Let's take a look back at the what I came up with. Charts anyone? You're damn right, charts.
| Position | Projected Scholarships | Verbal Commitments | Remaining Scholarships |
|---|---|---|---|
| Quarterbacks | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Running Backs | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Wide Receivers | 3 | 1 | 2 |
| Guards/Centers | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Offensive Tackles | 3 | 3 | 0 |
| Tight Ends | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Defensive Tackles | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Defensive Ends | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Linebackers | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Cornerbacks | 3 | 2 | 1 |
| Safeties | 3 | 3 | 0 |
| Total | 25 | 14 | 11 |
Links lead to BSD unit breakdowns
Now, since I put this chart together back before spring practice conditions have changed. The emergence of some players in spring practice may have given encouragement to the coaches that they may be better off in that position than they once thought. The fine play of Andrew Szczerba in addition to Mark Wedderburn coming on this year may allow them to take that tight end scholarship and use it somewhere else. Like maybe wide receiver to make up for the loss of Chris Bell. And we're so deep with young talent on the defensive line we could stand to take one or to of those slots and go after some more offensive linemen.
Let's go through each position and look at the remaining targets on the board.
Quarterbacks
The addition of The Drake is a huge help, but he's somewhat of an unknown. Nobody denies he's a great athlete, but whether he will make a great quarterback remains to be seen. Many schools that were recruiting him wanted him as a wide receiver. Don't be surprised if he starts out his Penn State career lining up at wide receiver just to get him on the field ala Michael Robinson. But after the 2009 season the only quarterbacks we have on our roster will be Devlin and The Drake at this point, so we need to bring in another guy in this class.
And target number 1-A is Tate Forcier, who from this point forward will be known in these parts as 4CA or T8 4CA because I think it's cool. BSD has deemed it so. 4CA has been holding his cards close to his vest so it's hard to get a read on him. He was supposed to come to Penn State's senior camp but cancelled last minute to take part in a 7-on-7 tournament back home. He speaks highly of the Nittany Lions and recently put out a Top 10 list that had Penn State on it. It's something, but top 10 lists in college recruiting are about as useful as an ice maker on the north pole.
Another intriguing story to watch is that of Kevin Newsome. Newsome was high on Penn State's board in the early going but then he committed to Michigan. Since that time Michigan has landed a verbal from another four star QB and the Wolverines are still actively recruiting T8 4CA. This gives Newsome a big grumpy face and the story goes he has asked Penn State and other schools to continue recruiting him. Stay tuned on this one.
Antone Exum and Morgan Newton are outside possibilities, but I doubt it.
Running Backs
If we don't get another running back in this class I think the coaches will be ok with that. We have Royster, Green, Carter, and Beachum as it is, and now with Dukes we're in pretty good shape. But I suspect we'll still bring in one Derrick Williams type guy: An athlete around 5'11" or 6 feet and 190 lbs that can play running back or line up in the slot receiver. Tavon Austin would be perfect for this role. Penn State is right in the mix for him along with Virginia and Maryland. He lives in Maryland, so we have Larry Johnson and the Maryland bus on our side here.
The only other guys on the board are Brandon Wegher and David Wilson. Wegher is a good all-around back, but the verbal from Dukes may have closed the door for him. We're looking for a burner guy now. Wilson would fit the bill, but he's from Virginia and I get the impression he's staying in ACC land.
Wide Receivers
This was undoubtedly our biggest need going into the spring, and one wide receiver to date is not getting it done. Brandon Felder looks like a good one, but we need more bodies, and if they could run 4.15 40's with hands like glue that would be good too.
But when you look below the surface things may not be as bad as it seems. If we land 4CA then The Drake's fate is most likely sealed at wide receiver. Likewise, we have a small army of defensive backs in this class making things a bit crowded, so don't be surprised if someone like Derrick Thomas jumps over the line to offense. These guys are great athletes, but again, we need great receivers.
Getting a Je'Ron Stokes or Logan Heastie would have been ideal, but those ships have sailed. Not all hope is lost yet. We're still going after some good targets that are still on the board.
Justin Brown - Good combination of size and speed. He likes Penn State but he wants to see some of our offense this fall before making his decision.
Jaleel Clark - He attended a camp at PSU this spring, and at some point in that visit either he cooled on Penn State or Penn State cooled on him. Now he's looking at Pitt and Missouri and we're probably not in the running anymore.
Christian Kuntz - He just popped up on the radar after getting an offer following a camp visit. His size, 6'4" and 195 lbs, may remind you of Brett Brackett. With his only other offers being Akron, Connecticut, and Buffalo I think we probably have a pretty good chance with him.
Devon Smith - We're playing a cat and mouse game with him. I think we're waiting to see what our other targets are going to do before we offer him. He wins the MVP award at every camp he goes to, but his size has scared off a lot of schools. He's friends with all of our Maryland recruits and has basically come out and said if Penn State offers he won't hesitate in pulling the trigger.
And keep in mind that Tavon Austin may fit in here too should he commit. So while we have some prospects we're looking at, there is no denying that we have not done as well in this area as we had hoped. So far we have missed out on Logan Heastie, Je'Ron Stokes, Shawney Kersey, and Tyree Watkins.
Offensive Line
With three offensive tackles, a guard, and a center already on board you could say our recruiting class is already a good one in this area. But I'm a firm believer that you can never have too much depth, so I'm thinking we have one more spot left, and we have four guys we're looking at. They are in no particular order Nate Cadogen (6'6" 265 lbs), Sam Longo (6'5" 270 lbs), Chris Watt (6'4" 282 lbs), and Peter White (6'4" 342).
Cadogen of course is the brother of Gerald Cadogen, so many believe it's just a matter of time until he verbals. Longo has been playing footsie with us for some time, but many believe he is holding out to see if he can get an offer from Ohio State. Considering how full their class is already I don't think he's going to get one at this point. My guess is we will get both of these guys before the month of August closes.
Defensive Line
Our losses shouldn't be too bad after the 2008 season. Only Josh Gaines graduates, but we will most likely lose Maurice Evans to the NFL if he has another great year. We already landed his replacement with Sean Stanley, a monster of a kid who definitely passes the looks test.
With the emergence of Eric Lattimore this spring and the possible move of Tom McEowen from tackle to end we have plenty of young talent at defensive end. The coaches seem to have three or four guys we're talking to, but I don't get the impression we're going after them very hard. We seem content with Stanley at this point. Names to keep an eye on are Lanford Collins, Anthony LaLota, and Pat Muldoon, but honestly I don't get a good feel from any of these guys.
I don't think we'll take any defensive tackles unless it's a project-type kid. We're just too loaded right now, so until the depth chart thins out a bit expect nothing more than two or three star kids.
Linebackers
Is this possible? We have 14 recruits and not one of them is a linebacker? We're still Linebacker U, right? In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi, "What the hell is going on out there?"
Honestly, I kind of saw this coming. We've taken six four-star linebackers in the past two years. Five of them have four years of eligibility left and three of them will probably redshirt this year. Our stable is a bit full right now with guys waiting their turn. Ironically, our recruiting success is killing our recruiting right now.
The coaches are being very selective in who they offer here, and rightfully so. We've pretty much limited our options to just the best of the best, and that list started out as Dorien Bell, Glenn Carson, Telvion Clark, Jonathan Davis, Jelani Jenkins, and Dan Mason. Bell and Clark are off the table having committed elsewhere. I think Davis is a longshot at this point, but Carson, Jenkins, and Mason are all high on Penn State. If we can get all three of these guys we'll take them, but if we don't get any we'll be ok too. My gut says we land two out of the three.
Defensive Backs
You all know we already have five commits here, but Thomas may move over to wide receiver if we need him there. So I think we're still looking for a pure cornerback. Jordan Love is the guy we really want, and he's narrowed his list to Penn State and Georgia with a decision coming soon.
We already have three safeties locked up, but I think we would make a spot for Travis Hawkins if he wanted it. He's one of the best safeties in the country, and he's from Maryland so you have to like our odds there. Penn State is in his top two or three schools.
Overall Outlook
We're in good shape, but not great. We have addressed a major need in defensive backs and we may not be done yet. We have a quarterback, and though he probably isn't our first choice he'll fill a roster spot and could be devastating in the spread option offense. We have a dynamic running back that looks big enough to handle 25 carries a game. The offensive line features one of the best centers in the country and three pro-caliber tackles. And we got a franchise defensive end. But there is still work to be done.
I want another quarterback. Unfortunately it looks like we're putting all our eggs in the T8 4CA basket right now. I don't understand why the coaches continue to go for broke on one or two guys every year. This has Terrelle Pryor written all over it. Just give me a solid three star guy and I'll be happy at this point. The important thing is we just fill the roster spots with Div. I talent.
We also need wide receivers. Felder looks ok, but we lose three guys after this season and right now there doesn't appear to be anyone on the roster ready to step up and be the guy. Unfortunately our top targets are either gone or not interested in us anymore, so we may end up getting some three star athlete types and just plugging them in there. They may turn out to be great, but I feel like we're rolling the dice here.
Everything else looks ok to me. I wouldn't mind getting another defensive lineman and a couple linebackers, but if we don't I won't lose sleep over it.
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Devon Smith will get an offer if/when he gets his qualifying ACT score. I suspect he’ll commit the minute he gets the offer. I like that kid. He’s a burner the likes of which haven’t been seen in State College very often.
Unfortunately, I think Dan Mason is going to select Pitt. Heard that it might have to do with distance from home; regardless, I’d love to land him.
In the end, I think this class will resemble the 2005 class. Several high-end guys, a bunch of decent middle prospects and a reach or two at the bottom. Probably be a top 20 class, though, when it’s all said and done.
I'm pretty sure JayPa doesn't know this much about recruiting
Solid work Mike.
I probably put too much emphasis on oline, but after watching every detail of the 2003-2004 seasons…the rest really doesn’t matter if you don’t take care of the lines. The WR chart may look shallow right now but that’s one position I don’t worry as much about.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
QB Commit?
Is this the kid from Philadelphia area? if i recall, he was most likely going to be looked at in a wideout role… is this accurate?
sorry!!!
i answered my own question has i read on further…. I don’t see Drake has being a future Penn State QB. Forcier would be an awesome commit. Is the QB position a critical need for this class?
Quarterback
We haven’t taken a quarterback in the last two recruiting classes. Yeah, it’s kind of important this time. Realistically the guy(s) we bring in this year will redshirt a year, and then they will back up Devlin in his senior year. After that there are no upperclassmen in front of them and they will have three years of eligibility left. I know kids these days want to start from day one, but any guy we bring in is almost a sure fire three year starter after paying their dues on the bench for a few years. That’s a pretty good situation to be in.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jul 3, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If were going to run the spread...
...don’t we need to shit or get off the pot? I’m no recruting guru, but is Tate Forcier going to run the spread for us? Or are we just going to switch back to the standard I formation stuff that we ran until we realized we didn’t have the personal for it anymore (when we were 0-4 in 2001)?
I’m sure this Forcier kid is great, but even if he came here, tell me why he’s going to be successful where others have failed. We’ve had highly rated quarterback prospects before.
Shouldn’t Michael Robinson be the new prototype QB? Does Forcier fit that mold?
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
PS
I know FOrcier has shown an interst in PSU, but a California kid, with a brother at Stanford who is close with UCLA’s coach. We’re kidding ourselves. He ain’t going to Penn State.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
UCLA and Stanford
I saw that Stanford received a verbal from a 4-star QB over the weekend and UCLA has had a verbal from a 5-star. If Tate wants some serious multi-year playing time, where he can be BMOC, maybe Penn State will be looking better and better to him.
T8 4CA
Is perfect to run the spread. I don’t worry about that.
I just worry about getting a California kid to want to play in State College. Of course maybe his desire is to play in front of the biggest crowd in the nation, and if that is the case, there is only one place to go….
....Let’s go State!
Pat Devlin in '08
Prototype QB?
I’m not sure what that means…. I will always want a true passer who is athletic and run when in trouble befor a running QB. Micheal Robinson was an exception. He was not a great passer, not really even a good passer but he won with heart, leadership and when PSU need a big play he made it.
The stlyle of offense, I think this goes back to the; Joe molds to offense to personnel not the other way around. If darryl Clark wasn’t next in line I doubt we’d be talking so much about the spread offense. I have no problem with running I-formation if you have a strong passing QB ie. 94 Kerry Collins. The problem is PSU doesn’t get those types of kids.
you’re absolutly correct about a QB coming and being Successful and that’s for every position for that matter, most recently Auston Scott. He didn’t come close to living up to what he was supposed to be.
4CA
He ran for 733 yards as a junior and 500 as a sophomore. He’s very mobile. And Rich Rodriguez is trying to get him to go to Michigan, so what does that tell you?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jul 4, 2008 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Jelani Jenkins
I would just like to point out that Jelani Jenkins is an absolute beast. Google his name then watch his YouTube video. I think the first hit shows what I’m talking about. He’s also the #1 rated linebacker on Rivals and #2 on Scout. Man I hope he comes to Penn State
John
I know...
...this guy is a beast. He is the #10 overall recruit in the nation. LJ Sr. and Vanderlinden better be all over this guy.
Maybe JoePa will even make a visit to seal the deal.
Pat Devlin in '08
Wow!!!
I havn’e seen anything like since a guy…. maybe you’ve heard of him…... Lavar Arrington. Does anyone know what his big board looks like? is PSU on it?
On the short list
And possibly leading.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 4, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Travis Hawkins
I talked to Travis the other day he seems to like WVU a lot.. he told me he loves it at PSU but the 5 DB commitments are scaring him away..i think Hawkins will either end up at WVU or Michigan sadly
Travis should know
that we really only have 3 CBs (Stephon Morris, Darrell Givens & Derrick Thomas) for this ‘09 recruiting class. We will be losing anywhere from 6-9 (Anthony Scirrotto, Mark Rubin, Tony Davis, A.J. Wallace, Knowledge Timmons, Willie Harriot, Devin Fentress – maybe a few more I am forgetting such as Shelton McCollough sp?) in the next two years.
Also, Derrick Thomas is being considered an ATH as is Curtis Drake (QB/WR even though Scout rates him as a CB) so we have 2 CB commitments coming in for sure and 2 safety commitments in Stephen Obeng-Agyapong but could be down 9 players from the secondary by the time the ‘10 season gets here. Hell, that leaves things absolutely WIDE OPEN as a redshirt freshmen.
I wish Travis would consider coming to Penn State and playing both ways, I noticed he was talking up Charles Woodson in a recent recruiting update but I think the Penn State coaches told him at camp that he is being recruited as the R (slot) receiver. Maybe a breakthrough from the coaches and DWill in the slot will entice Travis to attend Penn State and play both ways. With the players we lose in the secondary and his athletic skill there is no doubt in my mind that the coaching staff would allow him significant PT on both sides of the ball throughout his career.
I realize AJ & JK didn’t stick on both sides, but that was really just because they wanted to get those two PT anyway they could rather than sit them or use a RS. We had Alan Zemaitis & Anwar Phillips at CB & Deon Butler, Derrick Williams & Jordan Norwood at WR so it wasn’t realistic for either to continue to play both ways because they were needed elsewhere. JK full time at CB and now AJ has been getting worked in more & more at CB but found his niche as a KR after some rumblings of potentially being a full-time WR and/or RB. So it worked out for both, but if Travis were in the ‘09 class than Dwill, Jordan Norwood, Deon Butler and potentially even AJ Wallace would all be gone. The opportunity is there for a stud ATH to contribute as a WR, CB & KR/PR. Just my two cents.
Commit Board
The table Brian put up a few weeks ago over at MGoBlog to encapsulate PSU’s recruiting class:
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/unverified-voracity-challenges-you-to.html
is out of date but IMO an excellent way to aggregate the class and compare it against other teams’ efforts. It could be improved if extended to include both Rivals’ and Scout’s star rankings. It also might be worth making it a sticky link or post somewhere since it will change rapidly as many players are reevaluated on a monthly basis. I tried pasting the HTML in here with a few small edits but SBNation’s software doesn’t appear to format tables in comments well; it worked perfectly in a FanPost draft. Kevin or Mike? I might do it myself if I get bored enough this weekend.
So I'm retarded.
Brian almost certainly copied and pasted that table directly from Rivals’ site. There is obviously now one there that includes all commits to date.
Longo gets his offer
Just a matter time before he pulls the trigger to the Bucks.
You would think
I still think we get Cadogen, and we will have a heckuva recruiting class for O-linemen
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jul 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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