West Coast Bias Computed: 22%
The Big Ten, built mostly in the Steel/Auto/Corn Belt, has survived on the proverbial "three yards and a cloud of dust" for over a century. While this appears to be slowly evolving, to this day the the lineman and running back have always been the focus of game planning. The Mid-West Conference has sent four top-five lineman to the NFL since 2004; only two skill players have gone top-five from the conference in the last decade.
The Pac-10 represents a different philosophy. The term "West Coast Offense" can mean a lot of different things, but one is constant: the focus changes from the traditional 'establish the run' to a more wide open, less predictable attack. Most West Coast teams can also count on playing in virtually perfect conditions for the entire season; most Big Ten teams have come to expect at least one game to be played in dead of winter weather.
The stadiums themselves are quite different as well. Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State (listed in order of capacity! ha!) all have larger stadiums than any Pac-10 venue. Rivals lists three Big Ten stadiums in their Top Ten Toughest Places To Play, but just one Pac-10 school. EA Sports agrees.
22. That's the percentage of the time a Big Ten team wins when traveling out west for non-bowl games since 1980. I found that a bit shocking. The conventional wisdom in Vegas is that home field is worth three points, so to drop a winning percentage that should be around 50% down to 22% means something else is going on here. What is just as interesting is that the percentage doesn't hold true in reverse.
To try and narrow this down, I took the 173 games played between the two conferences and segmented the populations. All games played as part of the Rose Bowl were eliminated because that is considered a neutral site game (even though it isn't). All other bowl games were also removed (the Big Ten is 8-11 in non-Rose Bowl bowl games). In addition, the handful of games that were played on neutral sites as part of the Kick-off and Pigskin Classics were also taken out.
This leaves 126 games (note: there are two ties that are excluded from this analysis).
| Overall - Non-Bowl | W | L | % |
| Big Ten Home | 43 | 32 | 58% |
| Big Ten Away | 11 | 39 | 22% |
| Big Ten Overall | 54 | 70 | 44% |
As you can see, that is a pretty embarrassing drop in winning percentage and fairly poor show from the Big Ten.
My concern was that the data, which is admittedly susceptible to sample size issues, may have a large number of mismatches. If the Pac-10 teams are often times stronger than their Big Ten foes, well then that percentage doesn't actually tell us anything about how teams from the Midwest perform near the Pacific. To help try and curve this I went through the ridiculous exercise of labeling each team depending on whether they finished the season above .500, exactly at that mark, or at least one game below it. From there, the data was sorted so that we were comparing teams that are relatively close to each other in ability.
I understand this is not a surefire way to determine if the teams are actually evenly matched. A person could go through and write in each record, but that has it's own problems: it totally over-segments the population and, most importantly, doesn't actually leave us any better informed. Comparing records in college football is a futile exercise; out of conference teams almost never share more than one or two like opponents. Games are hardly ever a Vegas 'pick' anyway, so we can rest assured that at almost no point during the last 28 years were two teams ever truly equals, therefore we have to hope the number of games we are looking at will balance that bias out.
We now have two different charts to look at. At no point did two .500 teams play each other, so we are looking at games between ".500+" and "<.500" (aka Bowl Eligible and Non-Bowl Eligible, respectively). In theory, this will give us a better idea of how home field advantage can be applied to more evenly matched teams.
| .500+, Non-Bowl | W | L | % |
| Big Ten Home | 19 | 12 | 61% |
| Big Ten Away | 3 | 17 | 15% |
| Big Ten Overall | 22 | 29 | 43% |
More bad news for the 2008 Buckeyes and Spartans. When more competitive teams are matched up, the Big Ten actually performs worse than the overall percentage, down 7 points to 15%.
Since the data is already sorted, let's look at the other set:
| <.500, Non-Bowl | W | L | % |
| Big Ten Home | 4 | 3 | 57% |
| Big Ten Away | 2 | 4 | 33% |
| Big Ten Overall | 6 | 7 | 46% |
Not even close to enough data to draw any conclusions here, but the trend still holds: The Big Ten has issues playing out west.
No naturally the question is this: Why? While the Big Ten has a winning record on their own turf, what in the world causes those same teams to barely show up at Pac-10 venues? A 22% winning percentage, 15% when only looking at bowl eligible teams, means something is up. A look at venue capacity and intimidation value doesn't help us at all, if anything it would lead you to think the opposite is true.
I could go into a subjective look at the weather, the field turf, the drain of long distance travel, even style of play issues...however all of this probably wouldn't amount to much. The truth is probably, as is often the case, a combination of quite a few different things. One is for certain, however, the Big Ten coaches need to address it because the conference is looking at two big hits if they come back to the Mid-West 0-2. While the data doesn't give Penn State fans anything to worry about (outside of the actual match-up, that is), Wisconsin has a game out west against Fresno State, another potential credibility buster.
I'm not usually one to make a big deal out of conference status. I like watching our rivals lose and, based on the youtube video of the App St game, I'm not alone. Ohio State will probably be the more talented team when they travel to LA. You could argue the same for Michigan State's west coast trip. The concern is that both teams will fail to show up, fueling the "my conference is better than yours" debate and potentially affecting what is looking like a competitive race to finish the regular season 1-2.
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Monday morning sucks doesn't it?
You’re 33% and 57% in the <.500 Non-Bowl chart are backwards junior. Drink another cup of coffee. : )
by Galen on Jul 7, 2008 9:25 AM EDT 0 recs
i wasn't even looking forward to posting this
its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. thanks for the catch. I was about halfway done sorting through all this data last night and really regretted doing it on a monday. this is much better weekday afternoon work, but what’s done is done. after i spent two hours putting the tables together there was no going back….
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Jul 7, 2008 9:34 AM EDT 0 recs
September 14, 1991
USC 21 Penn State 10
at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
Final Records:
Penn State 11-2; lost at #1 Miami, won the Fiesta Bowl, finished the sason ranked Number 3, behind co-national champions Miami and Washington.
USC 3-8.
Ouch.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on Jul 7, 2008 9:43 AM EDT 0 recs
September 11, 199(3)?
...we ‘wooped ‘em…in the Kick-off Classic…correct? ! PSU’s 1st yr in the Big10 as well..?
Old School... MEETS New School!
by BlueWhiteLife on
Jul 7, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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this game was at Beaver Stadium
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on
Jul 7, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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Ohh
and it was a close game. If memory serves, and it may not, I think they scored a touchdown on the last play of the game and went for two rather than taking a tie.
We beat them pretty soundly in 1994 though.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on
Jul 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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they being USC
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on
Jul 7, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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there were several PSU v USC games
2000, L 5-29 (Kickoff)
1996, W 24-7, (Kickoff)
Wins in ‘93 and ‘94, losses in ‘90 and ‘91.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Jul 7, 2008 11:25 AM EDT 0 recs
by the way
both wins were at home, both losses on the road. Those Kickoff Classics were in NJ.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Jul 7, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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We also beat USC in the Fiesta Bowl
in 1981.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on
Jul 7, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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As much as I love the good ole days...
when in the future does any of us imagine a win over the current USC? I mean assuming they were on the schedule every few years. The record against them just reminds me how bad I want us to be an upper echelon program.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
by OMEGAMAN on Jul 7, 2008 2:33 PM EDT 0 recs
USC
was hardly an upper echelon program at the time we played the four game series with them. If anything, they were trying to catch up to us. I don’t know if that makes it better or worse though.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994
by jesse. on
Jul 7, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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"USC was hardly an upper echelon program at the time"
True.
Perhaps there is hope for Penn State.
Maybe we can be awesome – again!
by NJ lion on
Jul 7, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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well said
and besides, considering how conservative our gameplan gets after just a couple hundred miles on a plane, I can’t imagine our pass/run ratio in California.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Jul 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT 0 recs
EA
Penn State is actually the toughest place to play in NCAA 09, that list in inaccurate. Here is a link to IGNs countdown of the top 5 toughest places to play in 09
by psu42 on Jul 7, 2008 10:02 PM EDT 0 recs
I think I'm...
going to trade in my copy of GTA4 to get this…that’s how bad I’m fiending for football.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
by OMEGAMAN on
Jul 7, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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I had one annoyance with this article:
Beaver Stadium may get this one by virtue of its sheer size—its 107,282 capacity makes it the largest stadium in America and third-largest in the world.
..if you ignore about 30 different horse and car raceways worldwide. The IGN writer obviously pulled this off of Wikipedia. Interesting though that Indianapolis Speedway can pack a quarter mil into seats. I wonder if they ever do?
by gumbercules on
Jul 8, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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Ohio State-USC
That game is HUGE for the Big Ten. I know some people hate the Big Ten and like to see OSU and UM lose, but the fact is that the better the perception of the Big Ten, the better it is for Penn State. Right now the Big Ten has serious image issues. Fair or not, they are what they are. If Ohio State can go into LA and take down USC on national TV, that will do wonders for the perception of the Big Ten. If our only loss were to OSU, or even if we had two losses, a BCS at-large is a lot more likely if the Big Ten is looked at in a more positive light than it currently is.
by speedomike on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT 0 recs
while i would agree with you for the most part
I think, and I’m fully aware this is unfair, but Paterno’s status will probably trump any big ten “perception issues”...maybe i’m being blind but I get the feeling, if it really comes down to it, the voters might give the old man a break for being who he is.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Jul 8, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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Good point
I overlook the Paterno factor quite a bit. If we’re talking BCS game, the bowls will love that as well as the fact that our fanbase is insane. And if Ohio State makes the title game again, the Rose Bowl will surely look for the Big Ten-Pac Ten matchup.
by speedomike on
Jul 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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agreed
But I think OSU is one of the main reasons we are “down”. If they had won one or both of their MNC games I am sure there would be not talk of a down B10.
Boom goes the dynamite.
by psu on
Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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or even just made it close
i think two
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
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