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The Road To Mediocrity Goes Through Boredom

Cupcakes.  Everyone has them, nobody likes them.  Feldman put together a relatively arbitrary list of schools with the easiest OOC schedules.  While putting these schools in order seems kind of pointless, we can all agree the ten schedules on the list are flat out bad.

Interestingly enough, four of the eleven Big Ten programs were mentioned.  Indiana takes the top spot overall with four home games against Western Kentucky, Murray State, Ball State and Central Michigan.  Other conference foes who made the cut: Northwestern (#3), Minnesota (#7), and Iowa (#10).  Iowa is especially interesting to me because they play two BCS programs.  Yes, Iowa State is terrible and has an impressive road losing streak, but it appears Bruce isn't buying the Pitt hype, because they are a road game for the Hawkeyes yet still included as part of his tenth weakest schedule in the nation*.

LTP gave a good breakdown of the direction Northwestern is taking to try and move themselves out of the proverbial cellar.  There OOC for 2008 includes Syracuse, at Duke, Sothern Illinois and Ohio.  Not exactly running the gauntlet, but that's probably the idea. 

Per LTP:

Star-divide

Our recent scheduling suggests we're trying to bank on a 4-0 nonconference to help gain an annual bowl trip by winning a minimum of 3 conference games. You can be faulted for that strategy. If we go bowling four consecutive years, expect the scheduling philosophy to change.

As much as I hate boring football, I think this is the right move for Northwestern**.  Getting into bowl games is the easiest way to start gaining some credibility.  I know the weaker bowls get made fun of a lot, but the bottom line is the term "bowl team" gets thrown around all the time, and if Northwestern can become part of that group on a consistant basis, no matter how they acomplish it, it will increase both their status and scheduling options.  As LTP points out:

Northwestern football is the perfect bad storm for these teams. These programs view these games as a lose-lose. Northwestern still doesn't carry the cache of a "name" program (despite my daily beating of the purple drum!). Yet, coaches realize an August 30th opener in Chicago could be devastating as they know we're dangerous.

While the amount of fear may, understandably, be overstated, I do agree with the general basis.  Northwestern is good enough to not be a 100% walkover for major BCS programs.  However, a win against Northwestern, played OOC for teams like Texas or Florida, isn't going to carry any more weight in the eyes of voters than most mid-major programs.  So why take the risk?  Either schedule a team that lends credibility to your win count or take pay for the sure thing.  Northwestern doesn't fall into either of those categories.

Four straight years of bowling and all the sudden some of the "haves" will be able to use the Cats to brag about how many "bowl teams" they beat play.  It will help Northwestern in the long run, but I won't deny that it sucks to have to play four terrible OOC games every year until a string of success can be put together.

So what is Penn State's excuse?  Or any other "brand name" program for that matter.  Why does Penn State need Coastal Carolina when simply going .500 in OOC will more than likely land them in a bowl game and have almost no impact on their status or drawing power. 

The simple answer appears to be that home games are king.  It's all about the 'one and dones', getting the $1 million plus for hosting a have-not without having to make a less profitable return trip. 

But could there be other reasons?  Ohio State doesn't love money any less than the folks in Old Main, yet they continue to schedule two game sets with the likes of USC, Cal, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Miami (give them time).  Penn State has the fan base and name brand to schedule all of those teams.  The hold up is clearly on our end.  Yet, for some reason the few OOC away games we do play have been at Boston College, Temple and Syracuse.  Notre Dame and Nebraska were legitimate, but that should be the norm, not the exception.  Put simply, you cannot blame the weak schedule entirely on money.  Too many schools are making just as much of it by doing the opposite of what Northwestern is doing, and Penn State has the negotiating power to make it happen.

 

*Always good to get an indirect Pitt jab in when you can.

 **For the record, I am in no way encouraging this.  My point is simply that I understand the logic.

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8th Home Game...

I love how that’s the excuse…PSU survived on 6 home games for so long.

4 times from 1980-2000 we scheduled 7 games and only 1 was in the 90’s and that was in ‘99 (FWIW, in both 82 and 86 we played 7 home games). Now all of a sudden we add a 12th game and it HAS to be an 8th home game every other year.

by Screen Name 20 on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats even more interesting

is the absolute steal of a deal the U has on coaching salaries. That’s millions of dollars a year they are saving compared to most BCS programs.

I get the 8 home game thing the fact that USC and OSU can go on the road and make more money than Penn State means there is a way to have our cake and eat it too here.

by Kevin HD on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Survival isn't the issue.

Penn State does not want to schedule potentially difficult non-conference opponents. No interest at all. They want the equivalent of a football sacrifice. They’re going to find a way to schedule 15 home games every two years whether we like it or not, because the tickets still sell.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Survival....

By that I was referring to the wellbeing of the football program, not the degree of difficulty related to the schedule.

What I was trying to say is, as much PSU says we need the money from an 8th game, we really don’t.

by Screen Name 20 on Jul 9, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know what you meant.

Sorry if I was confusing in the reply. We’re talking about the same thing—PSU doesn’t need the 8th home game as much as they want it.

And hey, it’s a business and it’s hard to make ends meet in college athletics. I get that. Doesn’t mean I have to buy tickets for Coastal Carolina, Eastern Illinois, or Youngstown State, though.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

If you look at CFB in a business sense, (I mean it is entertainment, right?) then they should have the obligation to put the best possible product out there, which not only means a quality PSU program but also a quality opponent.

But then again, you can put out crap (i.e. Walmart) and still make money.

by Screen Name 20 on Jul 9, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OCC

Is it OCC or OOC? I think it’s Out Of Conference. Anyway…

I think the lousy OOC schedule is just part of the equation of what PSU football has become. I don’t whether it’s laziness, stubborness, or something else that is driving it, but things have gone stale. Back in the day, we played ND, Miami, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, Texas, etc. regularly. Even when I was in school (98-02), we had a number of good non-conference games. Next year’s schedule is pathetic. It’s like JoePa not hitting the recruiting trail. He used to be the most badass of all badasses on the road. I read For The Glory and he was owning Lou Holtz in the late 80s. Now? No visits, a weak OOC schedule, excuse-filled press conferences, no playmaker recruits, it’s all just…...blagh.

by speedomike on Jul 9, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, to be fair

ND, Miami, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, Texas – We never played more of than two of those teams in a single season (as an aside, Miami was a up and coming program when we started playing them in the late 70’s and early 80’s, playing them was more like playing South Florida in today’s terms). In a way we traded these two marquee OOC games for more consistent conference scheduling.

Compare a typical 80’s schedule versus a typical current schedule. I put our “conference” games in italics.

1985 - Maryland, Temple, East Carolina, Rutgers, Alabama, Syracuse, WVU, BC, Cincinnati, ND, Pitt

2007 FIU, ND, Buffalo, Mich., Illinois, Iowa, Wisc., Indiana, Oh. St., Purdue, Temple< Michigan State.

1985 OOC includes ND and Alabama but also ECU and Cincinnati. 2007’s OOC is not as tough, but remember we switch out Syracuse as a conference game for, among others, Ohio State. The league competition is tougher now. The Nebraska’s and Alabama’s were put on the schedule in the 1980’s to make up for feasting on Pitt, WVU and Syracuse for 30 years in a row.

My point is that the with the independent schedule you saw a better variety of teams, but not necessarily better teams.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994

by jesse. on Jul 9, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

That’s a good way of breaking it down. In general, I don’t have a huge problem with games like Coastal Carolina and Temple because we still play in the Big Ten. And this year’s OOC is okay, but next year’s is awful. I’d just like to see the future scheduling and excitement that goes with it that we’re seeing at places like Ohio State. Sure, Oklahoma could suck when Ohio State ends up playing them, but it’s still Oklahoma. I know we have Alabama coming up and that will be cool. I’d even like to see more games like Oregon State added. I know there is a TBA for next year so hopefully they’ll fill it with someone decent.

by speedomike on Jul 9, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Athletic Dept Budget...

I’ve read several times that PSU’s Athletic Dept is a self funded entity – separate from the schools’ general fund. Is this different from other big schools? Might be why PSU feels a need to look for funding wherever/however they can get it.

"60% of the time, it works every time"

by rahpsu92 on Jul 9, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll lose

I’d say the reason we’re not scheduling big time opponents is the fact that we’re afraid we’ll lose. We just don’t have enough confidence, especially on the road. Isn’t that why we turned down USC a few years back? In my opinion that’s the reason.

by shiloh on Jul 9, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Money

It’s going to be pretty unreliable because the accounting at each school could be vastly different, but based on their data OSU is earning about $2 mil more than PSU per year in profit. When you consider that their fixed costs for coaching are significantly higher, I think it’s safe to say they are doing a better job of earning money. Yes, they’ve been to a couple BCS games, but bowl and TV money are getting split up. They are making it work and still fitting in the road games.

(this is assuming the numbers are right, which is a leap of faith…but for now they are the best we have and I’m willing to believe they are at least close)

by Kevin HD on Jul 9, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now i don't know for sure but,

I would guess that the reason why OSU makes more money than psu is because they have a bigger “market/fanbase” than we do. Ohio State football is to the entire state of Ohio as the Steelers are to Pittsburgh. Everyone loves and follows the buckeyes over there, thus I assume they can get away with charging even higher ticket prices and ‘donations’. Oh, and plus i’m sure they actually make a decent bit of profit from their basketball team.

by rmcmillen50 on Jul 9, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd also bet

that Penn State uses every accounting trick they can to make the publicly released numbers appear to be as low as possible for political reasons.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994

by jesse. on Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't long ago

We were in survival mode ourselves. We went through a stretch where we only went to one bowl game in five years. Bowl games are huge because you get more revenue for your athletic department and you also get three extra weeks of practice in December which pays huge dividends the following season. Even going to the Motor City Bowl beats going to no bowl at all. After going through that tough 2000-2004 stretch do you think maybe the athletic department got gunshy about scheduling tough out of conference opponents? Maybe they are thinking let’s get four easy wins and we’re 2/3 of the way there toward qualifying for a bowl game. Most of our bigger opponents we play now were scheduled during that time. If we raise our competition level I think the schedule will eventually come around too.

by BSD on Jul 9, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point of parliamentary procedure!

Don’t all Big Ten teams split the bowl proceeds evenly? I swear that’s how it works.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

I think you getter a bigger cut of the bowl game you went to. For example, if you go the Motor City Bowl, you get 30% of the actual payout, the rest gets shared equally. I think.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994

by jesse. on Jul 9, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know the specifics

But I’m pretty sure you get a cut of your bowl revenue and the rest goes to be split among the rest of the conference. This seems only fair otherwise you would have no incentive to improve your program.

by BSD on Jul 9, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like it's split evenly after travel expenses

From 2006:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-12-06-bowl-payouts_x.htm

The ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac 10 split revenues equally among all members after expenses. The Big East splits the revenues equally among all members after deducting "participation" allowances, which are based on conference standings. The conference champion, which participates in a BCS bowl, has a $4 million "allowance." Second place has an allowance of $1.8 million, third place $1.65 million, and so on through all their bowl tie-ins. The SEC splits bowl revenue based on a formula whereby participating members receive a larger share based on the bowl payout, and non-participating members, including the conference office, split the balance.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ack.

I think your “website mob” garbled my formatting.

Generally, the bigger the bowl, the bigger the expense allowance. The ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac 10 split revenues equally among all members after expenses. The Big East splits the revenues equally among all members after deducting “participation” allowances, which are based on conference standings.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking it up is cheating.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994

by jesse. on Jul 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revenue Sharing

http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121503aaa.html

Pulled this link off an Iowa site…although the amounts are somewhat dated, there’s a line in the article I thought to be ironic…

Per the Iowa AD at the time in regards to Big 10 revenue sharing (italics mine)...“Our approach works to minimize charges of the ‘Strong getting stronger’ as a result of post-season bowl game participation and, instead, offers opportunities for those who are on the sidelines.”

Although it has limited the amount of money they received, it apparently has done nothing to thwart the Big 10 machine that is tUoOS these past few years.

by Screen Name 20 on Jul 9, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IT'S A CONSPIRACY.

Is this where we accuse the Big Ten of encouraging its members to schedule the dregs of the college football world in order to get 3-4 easy wins right out of the gate?

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't seem right

And I mean right as in just, not correct. Why should every team in the Big Ten benefit equally from Ohio State going to the title game?

by speedomike on Jul 9, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the goal is a competitive league

and a more consistent stream of revenue. Yes, OSU gets hurt but it’s only because of their unprecedented dominance of the league.

There is such a large gap in revenue from the BCS down to the Motor City that it becomes seemingly impossible to overcome that difference after a couple of years. Northwestern’s football team would simply fold. Indiana would have terrible facilities b/c of funds leading to terrible recruiting, ect….

It’s just part of the deal when you join a league, the teams in the MLB and NFL do the same thing.

by Kevin HD on Jul 10, 2008 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowl Payouts

The Big 10 team at their respective bowl gets a bowl allowance for expenses and then everything else gets split evenly between the 11 teams and Big 10 front office. Despite the disparity between the payouts between say a BCS and the Cap 1 bowl, there’s not much of a difference in the bowl allowance received by those Big 10 teams.

by Screen Name 20 on Jul 9, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Joe Pa...

get a say in any scheduling? Wasn’t it his decision to stop the rivalry with Pitt and Syracuse?

Either way, from my POV, it looks like padding the stats to me. There is no reason we can’t have 3 cupcakes and one challenging opponent every year. That should be the minimum. A 2 and 2 set up would be even better. But, as someone mentioned, its about money. Its sad, because if OSU and other schools can do it and still make a profit, we could too.

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ohio State's not really "doing it" though

Their OOC games last year were Youngstown State, Akron, Washington and Kent. Washington sucked, almost as bad as Notre Dame, but that’s simply a fluke of scheduling, not their fault or ours. It’s all Ty Willinghams fault actually but I digress.

This year Washington rotates off and USC rotates on. OSU’s remaining OOC games are Youngstown State (again), Ohio and Troy. It’s a scheduling fluke that OSU was at UW last year, and they go to USC this year as well, or they would had 8 home games this year. They will next 8 home games next season however.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994

by jesse. on Jul 9, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing in that program...

...happens without JoePa’s approval. Nothing.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 9, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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