A Bowl Record, Like A Bad Joke, Needs Context
Canada, huh? Almost made it. Stuart Mandel, with just two weeks until kick-off, broke down and put together a Great Conference Debate story over at SI. The actual story is everything you hoped you'd never have to hear again, but because I too am wearing thin, I've read almost the entire thing.
Getting a little bored after the second of the mythical 'pages' that SI is so fond of, I decided to skip ahead to the 'hard facts' section and gain a better understanding of how the Big Ten managed to come in 4th over SI's arbitrary time period: 2003-2008 (conveniently beginning the year after an OSU MNC, also following a draft in which 15 Big Ten players were selected in the first two rounds, Penn State sent four in the first round alone).
What stood out:
| Record | BCS Rank | |
| BCS Bowls | 3-6 | 5th |
| Other Bowls | 11-16 | 6th |

So what's really dragging down Mandel's opinion of the Big Ten is not their performance, per se, but rather a ranking of their bowl record that doesn't factor in SOS. I'm calling bullocks.
The Big Ten is often targeted as the #1 play-off road block. They are too old, too stubborn, ect. While #1 is an exaggeration, it's probably not that hard to believe they are tentative to give up what they have; by that I mean a killer set of bowl tie-ins.
Capital One Bowl: Orlando, Florida (Big Ten #2 pick against SEC #2 pick)
Outback Bowl: Tampa, Florida (Big Ten #3 pick against SEC #3/4 pick)
Alamo Bowl: San Antonio, Texas (Big Ten #4/5 pick against Big 12 #4 pick)
Champs Sports Bowl: Orlando, Florida (Big Ten #4/5 pick against ACC #4 pick)
(The Alamo Bowl has the 4th pick in 2007 and 2008, while the Champs Sports Bowl has the 4th pick in 2009. [for our purposes I just assumed the Alamo gets BT#4 and Champs BT#5 -ed])
Insight Bowl: Tempe, Arizona (Big Ten #6 pick against Big 12 #5 pick)
Motor City Bowl: Detroit, Michigan (Big Ten #7 pick against MAC)
Keep in mind those placements are actually misleading. They assume only one Big Ten team is offered a BCS Bowl invitation, however only once in their five year term has that happened
| Year | Teams |
| 2003-2004 | Michigan, Ohio State |
| 2004-2005 | Michigan |
| 2005-2006 | Penn State, Ohio State |
| 2006-2007 | Ohio State, Michigan |
| 2007-2008 | Ohio State, Illinois |
So, before I slant this thing by simply bumping down the above tie-in list for all the Big Ten teams, let's see if we can do the same for the other side of the matchup. There are years, of course, where two teams from another conference are given BCS bids. Keep in mind that the BCS switched from four to five games in 2007, meaning four bids were made available instead of two.
| Year | Teams |
| 2004 | Big 10, Big 12 |
| 2005 | Big 12 (Utah) |
| 2006 | Big 10 (ND) |
| 2007 | Big 10, SEC (Boise St., ND) |
| 2008 | Big 10, SEC, Big 12 (Hawaii) |
So that is nine BCS bids for the Big 10, eight for the Big 12, and seven for the SEC. The rest never received an At-Large.
Now that I've spent this much time already, below is a table representing the games played. The notation is a little strange here: any games in which the Big Ten opponent finished higher in their respective standing is marked with a negative number (ie. Purdue finished 3rd in the Big Ten, while Georgia finished 2nd in the SEC). Even matches are marked with a '0', and games where the Big Ten team was higher in the standings are marked with a positive number.
| Bowl Game | 2003-04 | 2004-05 | 2005-06 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 |
| Capital One | -1 (L) | +1 (W) | -1 (W) | 0 (W) | 0 (W) |
| Outback* | 0 (W) | 0 (L) | 0 (L) | 0(W) | -1 (L) |
| Alamo | 0 (W) | +1 (L) | -1 (L) | -1 (L) | 0 (W) |
| Champs Sports | DNP | DNP | DNP | -2 (L) | -2 (L) |
| Insight | DNP | DNP | DNP | -2 (L) | -1 (L) |
| Motor City | BGSU** (L) | DNP | DNP | DNP | ?*** (W) |
DNP - Either the bowl tie in didn't exist (Champs and Insight was not a BT bowl until 2006) or the Big Ten didn't have enough eligible teams to fill the spot.
*I'm not really sure what to do here, the numbers represent how they finished based on in-conference record, but this isn't really representative because SEC teams miss so many of their league foes during the season. I can't seem to find a straight answer, but it appears that the second best team in the East plays in the game each year. This means said team could be as high as 2nd, but as low as 5th in the overall standings, for whatever that's worth. This appears to be either the third or fourth pick, so with that in mind I will assume the team was never higher than third and never worse than fourth in the league.
**Bowling Green finished ranked #23 in the polls that year, their opponent was 6-7 Northwestern. The Cats also lost to Air Force and Miami of Ohio that year. BGSU gets top billing here.
***Purdue v Central Michigan...whatever. Well call the 9th place Boilermakers a favorite, but for the record they were garbage.
Note: Remember that a negative number does not necessarily mean the team was a Vegas underdog, that is irrelevant here. It doesn't matter how the teams matched up as far as talent, only how they match up relative to their in-conference performance.
| Non BCS Bowls | W | L |
| When "Favored" | 2 | 1 |
| When "Even" | 6 | 2 |
| When "Underdog" | 1 | 9 |
So while the Big Ten does a terrible job of winning when given the short end of the stick, they have a very impressive 6-2 record when matched up correctly (ie 2v2, 3v3, ect). However, instead of giving the Big Ten credit for the fact that they perform relatively strong when matched with their peers, they are discounted because they signed on to "play up", so to speak. Also note that they were almost never matched with a BCS counterpart who finished lower in their league: just twice in five years.
To give you the quick fix on the BCS games: 1-2 when "outmatched", 2-3 when "even", and 0-1 when entering a "favorite". This isn't as pretty of a picture, but there are a couple of things to keep in mind here. For starters, USC has been the most consistent team of the last five years, and the Big Ten has played them, essentially on the road, three times. In addition, two of those "even" games are #1 v #2 nationally, so while Ohio State couldn't beat the SEC, that doesn't mean they wouldn't have beaten any of the other four conference champions.
So now that I've thrown all that at you, I suppose I owe some kind of explanation. Without doing this for all six conference (which I'm not doing, by the way), it's hard to tell exactly how good of a performance this is. However, because every action (being labeled an "underdog", or, like winning) has an equal or opposite reaction ("favorite", losing), a couple of generalities can be made.
- The Big Ten bowl tie-ins are both lucrative and challenging. Of the 21 non-BCS games, they were matched with a higher finishing challenger almost half the time. They get paid handsomely for this, however.
- Even in the BCS games they are drawing tough lots. Twice the Big Ten #1 has played the next best team in the nation. When not in the MNC, the next best thing (worst thing?) is often the case: a game in LA against USC.
- The record doesn't tell the story. When evenly matched, the Big Ten is a very impressive 64%, that's 73% if you discount the MNC games.
In case this is coming off as defensive or interpreted as an excuse, I want to make my position clear: I'm with these guys. I don't need Illinois to win the Rose Bowl to feel better about an 8-4 season. I'd rather just beat Illinois.
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Littering and Littering and...
The schnoz berries taste like schnozberries!
I love that movie.
by psuphiman80 on
Aug 13, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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Did you say...
yeah sure or yes sir?
by Screen Name 20 on
Aug 13, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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am I
jumping all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree?
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Aug 13, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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This post made my head hurt
Not to belittle all the effort Kevin put into this, but my honest opinion is that all the “which conference is best” talk is for all the also-rans in a conference to be able to say “My team may stink, but my conference is better than your conference.”
by NJ lion on
Aug 13, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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I probably root against the Big Ten more than for it.
This will make you lose your lunch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSiXNGHka0
Ever time I hear about things like this I just shake my head…
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Aug 13, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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They beat Hawaii for God's sake.
That win could not have been any less impressive to me than if it was Notre Dame. That is a fan base that has collectively gone totally friggin’ wacky.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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And because I feel bad
I have to comment on the actual post. I hate - HATE - when broadcasters bring up conference bowl records as if they’re somehow meaningful. It’s about matchups. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Run Up The Score on
Aug 13, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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which is a whole different level
and a good point…even looking past the 2v3, 5v7, whatever—you have different teams that can take advantage of different weaknesses.
What I’m saying is I agree.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Aug 13, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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Now that I made it past the Supertroopers reference...
That is an interesting read…but I don’t know what that actually proves. So I’m with you, I’m a PSU fan and not a Big 10 fan.
by Screen Name 20 on
Aug 13, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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Nothing.
I spent WAY too much time on this to explain that, though.
I guessI just wanted to get at a theory I have that you can’t really rank conferences with any type of certainty or credibility. Every stat, record, or list you use has holes, there are too many teams, not enough games, any too many moving parts to draw any real conclusions.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Aug 13, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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It definitely...
gave some insight into the games the Big 10 is winning/losing. We win when evenly matched and lose when unproportionately matched.
by Screen Name 20 on
Aug 13, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Sagarin Conference Ratings
The BCS formula includes an algorithmic ranking of teams by Jeff Sagarin. He also puts quite a bit of effort into calculating relative strength of conferences, and a quick look at historical conference ratings suggests it’s not that bad at matching up with popular opinion—nobody was suggesting the Big Ten was weak in 2005, and sure enough it had the highest rating of the past decade. He’s calculated the SEC #1 each of the last two years. And, unfortunately for the Big Ten, last year’s conference strength was apparently much closer to the Mountain West than the SEC.
My point here is that even the statistics that make up a small part of the BCS formula suggest that if you buy into the concept of conference strength, the Big Ten blew last year. But really, the only takeaway prediction is that if two conference champions are matched up, the one that navigated through the more difficult conference is more likely to win.
by gumbercules on
Aug 13, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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I don't think that anybody is suggesting
That the Big Ten was better than the SEC was last year. What I am suggesting is that when the Big Ten is better, and it has been, we don’t act like a bunch of lunatics about it.
Two losses is nothing. Not a banner, not a parade, not a even great season. In fact, in Georgia’s case, it was a disappointing season. The rigors of SEC superior competition didn’t get them down, they lost to a 6-6 South Carolina team at home in September. They got spanked by a decent Tennessee team, and they damn near lost to Vanderbilt. For them to try and turn it around and say they lost two games because the SEC is so tough is bull shit, and it lame excuse making. They weren’t that good last year, end of story. Man, at least Auburn went undefeated then whined in perpetuity, these guys are shameless.
The problem is that the media is buying this dog shit story, and is going to give them the benefit of the doubt based on some nonsensical claim that they got screwed last year which couldn’t be further from the truth.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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I think this is probably the best summary of the SEC I’ve ever seen.
by gumbercules on
Aug 13, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
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I think the B10 was weak in 05/06
If you look back at the 05/06 season, I think the B10 was weak. Each year there were two teams at the top and then basically nothing.
Iowa was .500, Illinois was winning a game year, MSU didn’t know they had games after September, Purdue was nothing special, NW was meh, and Minnesota was plodding along to their normal 7-8 wins. Then throw in always bad Indiana.
I think that is why the B10 gets downplayed so much. Its the mediocrity of the middle of the conference. Then you throw in OSU getting blown out the last two years and its low hanging fruit to bag on the B10.
by DrDetroit on
Aug 14, 2008 7:23 AM EDT
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On the other hand
It’s the weak middle of the confrence, headed by Penn State and Wisconsin, that perform better in bowls. Look at last year, Penn State and Michigan both won, Wisconsin was certainly not light years behind Tennessee.
Georgia, LSU and Ohio State all would have gotten beat by USC in the Rose Bowl, Illinois never had a chance. I don’t think Florida would have fared much better than Michigan did against USC in the Rose Bowl in 2006.
The SEC had better teams than the Big Ten last year, but it wasn’t nearly as lopsided as they would have you believe.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 14, 2008 9:14 AM EDT
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Alls I know is
PSU has won three straight bowls, including a BCS trip. We’ve held up our end of the post-season bargain more than any other team in the conference.
by millzners on
Aug 13, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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YEAH...
( what he said ! )
Old School... MEETS New School!
by BlueWhiteLife on
Aug 13, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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The SI methodology isn't that bad compared to a lot of these types of rankings, but...
I’m completely with you in needing to put the bowl records into context. Not even taking into account your comparison of respective conference standings between bowl opponents, the BCS bowl records make no distinction between national title game appearances versus other BCS bowl games. The Big Ten is pretty much always going to get two BCS invites from this point forward as long as two conference teams are BCS-eligible (we all generally travel well with more-affluent-than-average fan bases and significant television markets) and since the bowl setup makes it more likely than not that there will be a traditional Rose Bowl matchup every year, we’re virtually guaranteed to never play a non-BCS school in a BCS bowl since the ones outside of the Rose Bowl all have direct tie-ins to another BCS conference (Fiesta with the Big 12, Sugar with the SEC, and Orange with the ACC) – meanwhile, the Big East, Big 12, and SEC have all already played non-BCS schools in BCS bowls.
by Frank the Tank on
Aug 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Love the nickname.

Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 13, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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Funny thing is that my junior high basketball coach gave me that nickname over 15 years ago...
… so you could imagine my delight when I first saw Old School. Anyway, keep up the good work and drop me line if you ever need some Illini or general Big Ten analysis:
by Frank the Tank on
Aug 14, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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