Upside Downside: A Little Less Defensive?
On Thursday, we ran a comparison of last year's offensive personnel compared to the players who will take the field for this year's Nittany Lions. The results were largely favorable. Personnel shouldn't be an issue for 2008's offense (2009? Ugh.), provided that the quarterback -- let's face it, Daryll Clark's the guy -- can take care of the ball and help the team cut down on (1) ghastly-timed turnovers and (2) short field goal attempts.
Today, we'll look at the defense. You already know the big stories. A knee exploded. A nation mourned. Two guys were bounced after the Outside The Lines report. A nation rejoiced. While these incidents sucked for a variety of reasons, many fans seem to believe that Penn State can absorb the losses due to excellent defensive recruiting and depth.
More likely than not, they're wrong.


DEFENSIVE END
2007: Maurice Evans, Josh Gaines, Aaron Maybin, Jerome Hayes.
2008: Evans, Gaines, Maybin, Hayes, Eric Lattimore.
Evans is the obviously headliner of the group, coming off a season with 12.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss. If all goes as planned, he'll be on a few All-American teams this season. Gaines is a good player, not particularly flashy (2.5 sacks), but plays the run well and is generally around the ball. Maybin is mostly a pass-rushing specialist -- slightly undersized and fast.
The big question mark is Jerome Hayes, who played rather well before tearing his ACL on a special teams play against Wisconsin. His effectiveness in the old Tim Shaw LB/DE hybrid role could make the difference between a good and great defensive line.
Lattimore, along with freshman Jack Crawford, could be available in case of severe emergency.
All in all, pretty much the same group you saw last season. That's a good thing.
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
2007: Chris Baker, Phillip Taylor, Ollie Ogbu, Jared Odrick, Abe Koroma, Tom McEowen.
2008: Ogbu, Odrick, Koroma, McEowen, Chimaeze Okoli.
Here's where it gets a little scary. Like it or not, Baker was the teams most productive defensive tackle last season (40 tackes, 8 TFL, 4.5 sacks). Taylor was second among DT's with 20 tackles and three sacks. As you're fully aware, they're gone. So is another guy who Joe Paterno expected to contribute as a true freshman last season -- Devon Still, out 8-10 weeks with a broken leg after missing 2007 with an ACL injury. That's three guys, who for various reasons are missing from the rotation before the first snap of the season.
Left behind are Ogbu, an afterthought heading into 2007 who turned out to be an excellent tackle. Other guys have various injury concerns -- Koroma started 2007 with a broken foot, Odrick dislocated his right ankle against Indiana, McEowen's already had one knee surgery and nearly left the program in the spring. Chima Okoli has earned very positive reviews, and not just for his improvisational comedy skills. But he hasn't played a meaningful snap yet.
So yeah, injuries hit this group hard last year. By the fourth quarter of the Indiana game, it began to show. The Hoosiers put together a pair of 80-yard touchdown drives as the Lions limped to a five-point victory in Bloomington. The next week, the PSU defensive line was nowhere to be seen against Ohio State. Penn State only had one sack against Todd Boeckmann (by LB Navorro Bowman), but take any statistic you want from that game. It was a defensive embarassment.
Okay, here's one stat from the Ohio State game. Number of Ohio State punts? Zero.
Two weeks later was the defensive meltdown against Michigan State. The defensive line was utterly gassed in the second half, Jehuu Caulcrick started breaking off longer runs, Brian Hoyer threw the ball all over the field, and Sparty put up 28 points.
The point here, obviously, is that Penn State started last season with considerably more depth at defensive tackle and once a few guys went down, opposing quarterbacks had limitless time to pick apart a pedestrian secondary. This season, we're already starting near the "once a few guys went down" point.
LINEBACKERS
2007: Dan Connor, Sean Lee, Tyrell Sales, Josh Hull, Navorro Bowman.
2008: Tyrell Sales, Josh Hull, Chris Colasanti, Bani Gbadyu, Navorro Bowman.
Connor and Lee accounted for 273 tackles, 25.5 tackles for loss, ten sacks, and a whole bunch of experience and leadership. Sales was the third starter last season. He's good. He's not Dan Connor or Sean Lee. Hull saw a fair amount of action last season. He's good. He's not Dan Connor or Sean Lee. The duo of Gbadyu and Bowman add a level of athleticism the other projected linebackers lack, and Colasanti may end up on the field sooner than most expect. Keep in mind, Colasanti had as many tackles last season as placekicker Kevin Kelly. Just sayin'.
Could the linebacker position actually be a major problem for Penn State? There are plenty of good players. There aren't enough great players to make up for other weaknesses in the defense. Considering the losses of Connor and Lee, it's hard to envision anything but a healthy step backward for this group.
SECONDARY
2007: Justin King, Lydell Sargeant, A.J. Wallace, Anthony Scirrotto, Tony Davis, Mark Rubin.
2008: Wallace, Sargeant, Scirrotto, Davis, Rubin, Drew Astorino.
By their own admission, this group disappointed last season (8th in the Big Ten; pass defense efficiency), and in reality, the warning signs surfaced as early as the second half of the Buffalo game. Good passing offenses such as Ohio State, Indiana, and Michigan State threw the ball at will. Even Temple moved the ball with alarming ease between the 20's during the first half of the game. It's not ridiculous to suggest that every player in last year's secondary played below expectations. Now, Justin King is gone.
For 2008, Davis moves from safety to the cornerback spot he occupied in 2006. That likely means less playing time for Lydell Sargeant. A.J. Wallace, as discussed here repeatedly, needs to evolve into the lockdown corner he was supposed to be coming out of high school. He was okay last season. The defense requires him to be excellent this year.
Davis' shift to cornerback leaves Mark Rubin as a starting safety, along with Anthony Scirrotto. You'll remember Rubin as the only wide receiver with a functioning pair of hands in 2004. He's being pushed by lightly-recruited redshirt freshman Drew Astorino, which is simultaneously inspiring for Astorino's sake and terrifying for the rest of us.
This was a shaky group in 2007 that will likely struggle to be any better without Justin King. Even the most optimistic Nittany Lion fan will have a tough time arguing otherwise -- but please, feel free to try in the comments if you'd like.
To summarize, it could be a very difficult year for the Penn State defense unless:
- The defensive line, specifically Evans, Odrick, and Ogbu remain healthy. No room for any additional losses there.
- Sales and Hull play far above "vaguely adequate".
- Either Rubin improves from last season or Astorino proves to be a true diamond in the rough.
Scared? Me? Yeah, more than a little.
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Um, uh
Well, the offense will be good. Right?
by ReadingRambler on
Aug 25, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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1994?
Yeah, me neither. But if Clark can throw and Green lives up to the hype we could see a return to an explosive offense and adequate defense… Could be a wierd season.
by millzners on
Aug 25, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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Definitely worried
The Alamo Bowl was on the BTN this morning and A&M put together a few of the sustained drives that have drove me nuts last year, especially in the Michigan game. I know we ended up with some good overall numbers, but I wasn’t too impressed with the defense last year. There is some good talent, and the OOC gives the D a chance to struggle some and still win games, but the offense is going to need to step it up and carry us in some games.
by speedomike on
Aug 25, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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How was Jamaica?
Did you watch any of the Lightening Bolt’s races there? Were they partying in the streets celebrating?
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Aug 25, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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They were really excited
It was pretty cool being there with all that going on. We went on an excursion one day and the driver had their sports radio station and they were talking about how Jamaica needed to take advantage of this by providing more scholarships for their athletes. Unfortunately (for them at least), my guess is that colleges in the US will benefit more than anyone.
by speedomike on
Aug 25, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'll bet
After watching these Games, it definitely seemed like there’s talent there to dominate. As much fun as it was watching Phelps swim, I could watch Bolt sprint every day of the year and not get bored. Guaraneffinteed he gets ‘feelers’ put out by an NFL team….
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Aug 25, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly
Justin Gatlin worked out with the Eagles and a few other teams right after he got suspended from track and field. NFL teams are always looking for another Bob Hayes.
by gumbercules on
Aug 25, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, and Renaldo Nehemiah
Couldn’t catch a football to save his life, but the niners didn’t care and still brought him in.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Aug 25, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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The thing that scares me...
what kind of faith will the notoriously non-blitzing coaches have in the secondary to put them alone on an island? This could end up being one of those “bend but don’t break much until they nickel and dime you to death and I shove a pencil in my ear” kind of nightmare years.
by Galen on
Aug 25, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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And that's different from every other year how?
Funny thing is that we were like 2nd in the country in sacks last year. Of course, I think half of them came against ND.
by speedomike on
Aug 25, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Time of Possession a factor?
With an improved running based attack, hopefully the offense will hold onto the ball longer and give the defense more time to rest…
by PSURob on
Aug 25, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Dag, Talk about an Eeyore Post
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Aug 25, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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And you know what?
It’s about time the offense carried this team a little. I’m sick of the defense having to do the bulk of the work.
by speedomike on
Aug 25, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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Can't win the game
if you don’t score points, right?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 25, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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What's left out is the other side of the discussion
The obvious factor is that, while the DTs are fewer, they are much more experienced and better conditioned than a year ago. That has to count for something. They’ve also had another year with Coach Johnson….usually the guys that see alot of action in back to back years are the ones that make the jump, ike Hali.
Look at the 2005 team. Coach Johnson took Scott Paxson, a one time oversized LB, and made him an outstanding DT.
The other factors are the opponents. Wisconsin has complete question marks at QB and WR which makes them one dimensional. Michigan is likely to struggle this year….based on the # of quality skils players lost. Indiana graduated its best player. MSU lost its big RB and its best receiver.
Of the Big 10 opponents, only Ohio State probably improved on offense. Virtually every other team lost its best player(s), were marginal to begin with, or are going through an identity crisis.
by DCPSU on
Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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A fair point, but...
You’re right in saying that Penn State shouldn’t have to have a lock down defense to win football games against the competition it’s facing (which is at least what I think you’re driving at here).
You do have to keep in mind though that Michigan managed to beat you guys last year doing exactly one thing on offense, turning around and handing the football to Mike Hart… with a true freshman quarterback who could barely handle a snap without fumbling it.
My point?
The offenses don’t have to be spectacular high flying scoreboard breakers to be competitive… If the Penn State coaching staff continues along the same sort of game planning and play selection that their recent track record would seem to indicate, having a defense that can keep you in the games is sometimes a necessity, there are simply going to be times when you have to stop people, regardless of how good the offense may be.
Also, teams lose key players every season, because you may not recognize the names filling those positions does not mean that they are bereft of talent. Perfect example? Ohio State lost it’s starting QB, RB, and two receivers going from 2006 to 2007…. oh, and they also lost NINE starters from their defense… they somehow managed to piece together a halfway decent season.
With the way several teams have recruited, counting on offenses to sink to a certain level due to prior losses is a not something I’d be counting on. There’s a really cliche saying in football that unfortunately also happens to be true time and again: defense wins championships. Sure, the offenses across the league aren’t anything that are going to have you shaking come Monday before the game (at least that we know of right now), but all it takes is for it to click once at the inopportune time for something bad to happen (see Illinois vs OSU last year).
The thing that I think hurts Penn State the most is the loss of Lee from a field general point of view. Not only was he one hell of an LB, but (and correct me if I’m wrong) he was going to be the unquestionable leader of the defense this year. Losing him hurts from a talent point of view, but it hurts even more from an aspect of who’s going to assume that role now? The losses on the d-line certainly compound the problem as it looked like they were going to be able to at least cover up the loss of Lee with their ability to get into the backfield… but it’s the linebacking position that would most concern me if I were a Nittany Lion fan. Combine that with the interior losses and suddenly, up the middle Penn State is vulnerable… and what is the big slow lumbering Big 10 known for? Pounding the football up the middle…
You guys have had some unreal contributions from the linebacking position over recent years, but your situation is much like what happened when David Harris graduated after 2006: despite a pretty healthy amount of talent, our defense took a big hit from the lack of consistency and leadership on the field at the linebacking spot. You could simply see it in the way that the LBs in particular responded and played, it wasn’t the same.
I still think that your defense will be alright, as an opponent I have to say that Tom Bradley definitely draws my respect as a DC, but if the defense is only ok, something is going to have to happen on the offensive side of the football to have the kind of season I’ve seen some here describe.
Reason to panic yet? No, I don’t think so.
Go Blue!
by ThoseWhoStay on
Aug 25, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
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You also have to factor in the injuries to the secondary last season. King was a different player after the shoulder injury in the ND game (or was it Buffalo?). And, Tony Davis was playing a new position until he, eventaully, was injured. Scirotto had to have been distracted by his legal woes. Althoough I think teh sceondary will be OK if they stay uinjury freem, my biggest disappointment is the fact that Chaz Powell moved to the other side of the ball. I was hoping to see him instead of Rubin.
by Spats on
Aug 25, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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Injuries
“Koroma started 2007 with a broken foot, Odrick dislocated his right ankle against Indiana, McEowen’s already had one knee surgery and nearly left the program in the spring.”
There’s no question that injuries had a huge negative impact on last year’s defense. And of all the injuries to plague the team, I’d argue that Odrick’s had the greatest impact. So, if he’s healthy now, I’m feeling pretty good. Also, unless I’m mistaken, most people expected Odrick, Koroma, McEowen, and Phil Taylor to be the four main DTs last year. Sure, Phil’s gone now, but the other three are back… and you can add Ollie and Chima to the group. Honestly, as long as Odrick, Koroma, and McKeown are fully recovered (are they?), I’m feeling really, really good about these five guys. Really good.
How ‘bout the DEs? If Maurice Evans wasn’t the devastating wrecking macine he surely is, I’d be a bit concerned about this group. Fortunately, he’s going to destroy a whole bunch of quarterbacks this year. I’ve heard comments that Hayes isn’t 100% right now and that’s definitely a concern, since he’s the second best DE on the team, hands down. Hopefully, he keeps making progress and can contribute almost as well as he did last year, when it appeared he could come into this season as a guy people would be talking about nationally.
by BSM PSU 93 on
Aug 25, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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Well…the nice thing is football’s finally almost here so I don’t have to read anymore Monday morning QBing on the internet boards…at least until the first loss.
Losing the 3 defensive tackles hurts…a lot. With them we have a legit shot at 10 wins. Without them we could lose as many as 5. A fair amount of experience at QB in the Big 11 makes our lack thereof even more pressing, especially if Jay’s as bad as we all think he is (only difference for Jay this year is he can screw up 2 pretty good QB’s and not just one)…
But hey…I’m an optimist!
:)
by pennst92 on
Aug 25, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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Historically.....
PSU has always had a solid defense. We are good against the run. We have been weak against the pass. The coaches play the “bend don’t break” defense. DB’s are 10 to 15 yds off the line. Seldom do they play “in your face” coverage.
Until the coaches get the confidence and guts to take some chances and play tight coverage, we will always be recognized as being weak in coverage.
I do think 5 losses are will be unacceptable. 3 is more realistic.
Settle it on the field!
by PSUncle1981 on
Aug 26, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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