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Oh God, Not Again.

Not sure I can handle any more of this.

When Pat Devlin was asked on his conference call this morning about whether he would consider transferring, there was a loooooooonnnnng pause. He then said very carefully, "I don't think so. Right now, I've been consumed with this."

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Devlin expressed all the expected emotions about not being named the starting quarterback -- disappointment, frustration. Devlin also said that quarterbacks coach Jay Paterno told him this morning that Clark won the job partly because he was more accurate passing. He also said that he was told he'll run with the first team during Saturday's game against Coastal Carolina. 

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this was going to happen if Devlin wasn’t named the starter. He didn’t come to Penn State to play his RS Senior year only. With Newsome not going to Michigan anymore, Tate Forcier will likely end up there. Which again leaves Penn State in a world of trouble if he leaves.

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Et tu, Phil Grosz?

Just listened to Phil and Jerry Fisher on my way home from work, and it was rather obvious that Phil was biting his tongue on the selection of Clark as the starting QB. He also noted Devlin’s tone during today’s phone conference.

He’s not overboard yet, but he has one leg over the rail. And when you lose Phil Grosz…

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe nothing

Devlin is a quiet kid. Especially in front of the microphones. I’ll bet he takes a long pause before half the questions. He’ll get plenty of playing time this year and if he’s the better quarterback he’ll be rewarded for that.

I’m trying to put the best spin on this I can.

by BSD on Aug 27, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking

for Clark to falter in one of these games and then have Devlin come in and pick up the slack. If he can show that field general type of attitude more than Clark I believe we will be seeing more of him. I’m thinking that maybe by the end of the season Clark may be taking the backseat to Devlin. Right now we have Clark which is a somewhat known commodity, which to me is why he is getting the go-ahead.

by deihlba on Aug 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Unfortunately, with this situation, it probably means that PSU would lose a game that it should not have lost.

I think Devlin will play 30-40% of the snaps, which for a SOPHOMORE, that is alot. Given the opportunity, I truly feel that Devlin will win the job by the end of the year.

Pat Devlin in '08, er, '09

by Nick7 on Aug 27, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

He’ll get plenty of playing time this year and if he’s the better quarterback he’ll be rewarded for that.

Well, I hope you’re right. We shall see.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if everybody keeps asking him if he's going to transfer

then maybe he will, just to stop hearing morons ask him that question.

leave the poor kid alone, he just wants to work hard and try to earn the starting qb position but its like people are trying to get him to leave.

the kid clearly likes playing for psu, and did not transfer the second things don’t go his way. stop trying to make him a primadonna, he’s NOT.

by gbd106 on Aug 27, 2008 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s his own personal decision. Quit badgering him about it.

If he does, good luck to him. I couldn’t blame him.

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One bright spot

Devlin could share this year’s responsibilities, maybe not.

But Clark is not garaunteed another year of eligibility — and he’s not certain to take it if he does get it.

If this year produces a BCS trip, why wouldn’t Clark capitolize on that success and enter the draft? He’s certainly not going to have a better shot next year with all our receivers leaving. Next year we’re going to be rebuilding anyway, especially offensively — why not assume that Clark is looking for the ‘one and done’ college career?

by millzners on Aug 27, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clark is getting another year

That’s pretty much a done deal. So Clark will be back next season, and Devlin has one more year after Clark is gone.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

the kid holds PA state passing records and Clark is the more accurate passer? Did Devlin all of a sudden forget how to throw in the 3 years he has been at PSU?

It just seems a little stagged. If you knew you were going to name Clark the starter, basically because he is a Senior or Junior or whichever he is this week, then just name him the starter 3 months ago and let us get some more QB recruits in here.

Clark will fight for his final year of eligibility, he would be crazy not to. MRob had one great year at QB and he got drafted as a RB.

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Clark was the more accurate passer than we

are all in for a treat this year -

I want to say more but can’t come up with the words other than…

I f-ing hate Jay Paterno. We will never have a dominant QB as long as that feltering pile of dog refuse is our QB coach.

www.pinkertonpark.com

by rahpsu92 on Aug 27, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Devlin plays this year

and then transfers, he has to sit out a year, and he’ll only wind up playing one year anyway. Think about it, what is better getting 30% of the snaps your junior year and 100% your senior year or 0% of the snaps your junior year and 100% your senior year. If he was going to leave, he needed to leave this year and it’s too late. I hate to say he’s trapped, but he’s kind of trapped.

Unelss he wants to go to a D-2 school.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Slight distinction

Maybe it’s the D-2/former 1-AA distinction. He can go to a place like Villanova, Delaware, or uh, Coastal Carolina and not lose any eligibility. But he can transfer to another “D-1” school and be a two-year starter after he sits this season.

Remember, everyone — including this season, Devlin has three years remaining. Clark has two.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

correct

I think the easiest way to remeber it is that he can’t transfer to a school that could play in a bowl game without sitting a year.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what the odds of Clark making it through the season are.

If he is running every other play I have a suspicion Devlin will get to play more than expected because of injury. So if he transfers I hope it is after the season.

I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?

by psu on Aug 27, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I was PD

I would transfer and gain some experience in a better system/coaching.

The kid has great tools for the next level – Good arm, Can Run, and very smart.

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Would Hate To See.....

PD transfer, but wouldn’t blame him if the current situation holds firm. Plus……as other have mentioned:

"He has all the tools you look for in a QB; an athletic body, very strong throwing arm and far better movement then I had expected, but is acutely under coached and unprepared for the job of being a professional QB.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Aug 27, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very Angry

I would transfer if I was Devlin. I am venting a bit, but I am angry about naming DClark the starter. Picture this…Devlin getting the opportunity to start and gain experience for three straight years. What is better than that? Now we are going with what I consider the safe choice yet again. DClark is not going to wow anyone with his passing…and I got news for everyone, he isn’t going to be MRob with his feet, either. I can’t tell you how frustrated that I am with this decision. How many more mediocre Big 10 seasons is it going to take before we make some serious changes in the way starting QBs are selected? I am not going to revisit the topic of Morelli, but c’mon…if DClark couldn’t get playing time then…after sitting in practice for several years learning the system…then why in heck do the coaches think that DClark is magically going to take the reigns this year and be our best chance of winning? Arggghhhh!

by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Aug 27, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clark
if DClark couldn’t get playing time then…after sitting in practice for several years learning the system…then why in heck do the coaches think that DClark is magically going to take the reigns this year and be our best chance of winning? Arggghhhh!

I’ll play devils advocate…who’s to say Devlin is the better choice? From the little we’ve seen in the B/W game? Aside from watching the practices every day, what are you basing this off of, his high school career? From all indications, the coaching staff seems to want to give them both a shot, so in a few days we’ll find out for ourselves who’s better. It’s way too early in the season to get our panties in a bunch, so let’s sit back and watch it unfold.

Maybe we can be awesome this year. ..and maybe we can do it with Clark.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 27, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just my two cents...

I’m not saying the ranking services are always right, because they’ve made more than a few grievous errors in the past. With that said, if two guys are equally ready to start (and I’m guessing that’s basically true for Clark and Devlin), you should err on the side of starting the “name guy”. Devlin was a super high profile recruit. When he signed with us, much of the nation nodded in our direction. Now we’re telling him and every other high profile QB recruit out there that coming to Penn State doesn’t mean you’re going to be given the benefit of the doubt, so to speak. All things basically equal, the guy one year older than you is going to get the nod. What a message to send! As we all know, top rated high school quarterbacks don’t select their college with the hopes of being just a one-year starter (as QBsneak12 mentioned above).

Now, if Clark is actually significantly better than Devlin, then you can go right ahead and ignore this post. However, I sincerely doubt that’s the case.

by BSM PSU 93 on Aug 27, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...it is early

We haven’t played a snap, yet, and haven’t seen DClark enough to be screaming for Devlin. I’m just frustrated by the choice b/c I was holding out hope that Devlin would get the start and become a 3 year stud. Lets be honest, DClark has never been considered a top prospect by any authority.

I will be 100% behind DClark as soon as the ball is snapped to him on Saturday. My comments have more to do with my own personal frustration than DClark. And in reality, my frustration probably isn’t on the radar of Paterno and Company :)

by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Aug 27, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Entitlement

I don’t think there should any sort of entitlement one way or the other. Seniority shouldn’t matter and neither should recruiting rankings. Essentially, as we have seen, PSU does not recruit according to the recruiting rankings. They recruit whom they believe are skilled players.

Assuming that Clark/Devlin are equal, is Clark gettting the nod b/c of his seniority? Probably. Is that right? Probably not. But let’s not throw the guy under the bus before he plays a down this year.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 27, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you, dude...

and I really, really want Clark to succeed. In all honesty, I want both guys to succeed… I want a legitimate two quarterback system like the one that won Ohio State the Rose Bowl in 1997 (with Joe Germaine and Stanley Jackson; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Rose_Bowl). Unfortunately, Joe’s remarks at his press conference this week were fairly ambiguous… it’s hard to tell whether Clark’s gonna be his main man all season (like Morelli) or whether he’s planning to get Devlin in there at significant times during the course of the season (and not just for mop up duty).

But back to my previous post… I tried to make clear that it’s not the recruiting rankings themselves that matter. It’s fairness to the big name guys who think enough of your program to commit to it. No offense to Clark, who’s probably a great guy, but he didn’t have major programs knocking down his door the way Devlin did. When a super high profile guy commits to your program, he deserves the benefit of the doubt in situations where there’s no clear winner. I just feel like this was one of those situations. However, as I said, perhaps it wasn’t. Perhaps Clark blew Devlin’s doors off this Summer, but Joe doesn’t think the whole world really needs to know that.

by BSM PSU 93 on Aug 27, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hull and Colasanti

Same deal with these guys… all things equal, you play the kid everyone in the midwest calls “the best HS linebacker in our region” and let the walk-on back him up capably.

by BSM PSU 93 on Aug 27, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clark's playing time last year

Penn State’s offense has always been predicated on doing a small number of things well, rather than lots of things less well. The benefits of this philosophy show in small ways, we’re usually one of the least penalized teams in the Big Ten, we generally don’t turn the ball over a ton. It’s been this way for fifty years; it’s not going to change.

You get a limited amount of practice time. Every play you put in for Clark is one you can’t put in for Morelli. Every snap Clark gets with the first team, is one Morelli doesn’t get. Clark and Morelli have totally different skill sets, and switching from a pro set offense to a shot gun spread offense in the middle of the game, for better or worse, is not Penn State’s style.

Even if you put in Clark for a change of pace, he goes in with a paper thin playbook, and it becomes grotesquely obvious that every time he goes in it’s a read option. It pretty quickly turns in to the silly wide receiver screen that worked once ten years ago but that they still run. Trust me, the plays they ran against A&M (who did eventually figure it out), would not have worked against any Big Ten team that has time to game plan for it.

None of this means Clark can’t play football. Furthermore, last year the expectation was that Morelli was the senior captain, this year the expectation is that quarterbacks will share time, especially since their skill sets are compatible such that we can have two quarterbacks running the same offense.

I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of Saw This Coming

First of all, whoever said he hopes Clark to falter is out of your mind, how could you possibly root for the kid to do bad? I hope he plays as well as MROB, we’ll see.

Everyone knew this was going to happen, and Clark probably is a better runner than Devlin. Throwing won’t matter as much because we are going to run the ball so much, and his passing will probably most likely be easy 3 yrd slants and 5 yrd outs the entire season. I’d be shocked if they had more serious throws, but of course I’m rooting for it.

I hope Devlin doesn’t transfer, could end up doing a Mitch Mustain and not end up starting at his next school, leaving him 1 yr to play anyways. Both will get in the game this weekend although regardless of what either does means nothing (Morelli was a stud against Akron). I’m still banking on more of a duo QB system, hopefully they both get their snaps and are productive.

by Craig07 on Aug 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait

until team put 9 guys in the box…they will have to throw to open the running game. PSU has 3 great wr’s and a very good TE…you don’t need a running qb, you need a throwing qb that is also mobile.

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 27, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know Clark can't pass?

And, like I said below, how good of a passer was MRob?

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know he can?

He came to PSU not as a great passer like PD. I guess you put a ton of faith in JayPa’s coaching.

Your point about MRob — He was not a good passer but a superior athlete…much better than DC.

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 27, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say he could

But you seem to be convinced that he can’t. I’m really trying to wrap my brain around how so many people seem to know so much about Clark and Devlin’s skills. Let things play out a little.

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Let things play out a little."

Amen, everyone is all worked up and it’s only Wednesday.

the idiot formerly known as "joepadon"

by nittanyroar on Aug 27, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prodigal Son said Clark was more accurate...

This is a guy who said Anthony Morelli was one of the more accurate passers in PSU history…

I’m rooting for Daryl Clark…I hope he succeeds. But with coaching like he is about to receive, I have little confidence he will reach the pinnacle of his abilities.

State High Class of 92 Penn State Class of 96

by NittanySteve on Aug 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and clark speaks

here.

I was never under the impression that this ‘announcement’ was a very big deal, i mean who didn’t see this coming? It’s been well speculated since the 2nd quarter of the bowl game. So why is the announcement such a big pot stirrer?

That was my opinion, now I’m troubled.

by Kevin HD on Aug 27, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely Agree

The kid hasn’t even lined up yet this year and people are already screaming for Devlin. Seems very reminiscent of 2005.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 27, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly...

Unless some people on here have been sitting at every practice this summer leading to this weekend’s game. All I see is a lot of over reaction.

I’m fine with the decision, and I’m sure we’ll see what the real deal is on Saturday.

"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees

by kajpsu on Aug 27, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some people just like to stir up drama. We all knew who was going to start on Saturday. Joe just let us know four days before we thought we would.

by BSD on Aug 27, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

I take for granted that Joe must have had a reason to do so at this time…in my opinion, he thinks he needed to Clark some time as the true leader of his offense. Dein Butler said in his telco yesterday that (I’m paraphrasing) yes, we would like to know who is throwing us the ball, but we don’t have to know.

My guess is Joe wanted them to know as well, so he went ahead and made the announcement. In some cases, I bet he would not have done it. But i have to believe he knows the psyche of all these kids involved, and knows what buttons to push.

State High Class of 92 Penn State Class of 96

by NittanySteve on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Real Deal?

Do you honestly think that we are going to see who the “real deal” is against Coastal Carolina? We are going to see some big stats that make us all feel really confident…heck, I could probably put up some numbers against Coastal Carolina with our line and receivers. We won’ t know anything of value about DClark (or Devlin for that matter) in terms of how they can actually perform until we see them against real competition.

by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Aug 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We won't see them...

perform under much duress on Saturday, but we will see them both perform. Now, I’m not sure we’re going to be digging very deep in the playbook this weekend, but we will all still be able to make some more informed opinions about the QB play after we see some game time. No player is proven until you see their performance against “real” competition.

"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees

by kajpsu on Aug 27, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Because....

Clark is the opening day starter doesn’t mean he will end the season that way. I think Joe has a natural inclination to give the upperclassman the job…..that doesn’t always mean they can keep it. Joe knows PSU needs to win this year to put a kibitz on the speculation with his job. Clark will have a much shorter leesh than Paterno lets on. If a winable game looks to be in jeopardy…..Devlin will get a shot. This year could be a Jeff Hostetler/Todd Blackledge type season, with the upperclassman getting the start but the younger guy eventually stepping into the starter role later in the year. Only time will tell. If Clark gives us the best chance to win….then so be it……but I don’t for one minute believe that passing accuracy crap!

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Aug 27, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey

maybe the coaches are seeing something we’re not. Everyone said M-Rob over Morelli was a mistake too.

by queler on Aug 27, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Based on Robinson's first few games...

…anyone who said it wasn’t a mistake was blind. Robinson was really bad. Then he became one of the best players PSU’s had in the past 20 years.

But really, it’s not the same situation. Daryll Clark is not Michael Robinson. Pat Devlin is not Anthony Morelli.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

Clark is not MRob. Robinson spent three years being moved around from QB to RB to WR. Didn’t he even return punts at some point? Clark has been the backup QB for two years, and had to be ready to play at any time. And, in fact, did against Michigan two years ago. It’s possible that Clark will be more prepared to be the starting QB than Robinson was in 2005. And, for whatever reason, Clark is already being written off by some as a a poor passer and will be screwed when defenses stack the box. Well, how good of a passer was MRob really? That offense seemed to click. I’ve heard that Clark is a better passer than MRob.

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clark

He also looked completely lost against Michigan two years ago and ended up getting himself almost killed.

by BSD on Aug 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like somebody is

th Paul Cianciolo camp!

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But that was two years ago. I would hope he has improved some since then. Also, the offensive line that year was crap and that Michigan D was dominant.

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree with you

I’m just getting tired of the “you were the same people who were calling for Morelli instead of Robinson” argument. Robinson was an elite recruit with excellent speed. Unlike Morelli, Devlin came from a pass-happy high school offense.

Clark deserves a chance. Not just from the coaches, but from the fans.

Robinson wasn’t a great passer, but he threw a very good deep ball. If Clark can get that part of his game down, he should be fine. Really, that was 1/3 of the 2005 offense. Pound with Hunt, option with Hunt and Robinson, deep balls to Butler.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

I also get tired of the breakdowns comparing this defense to the 2005 defense or this offense to the 1994 offense. I’d rather compare the 2008 team to the teams we’re going to play.

Another thing about the MRob/Morelli Clark/Devlin thing is that a lot of the reason people wanted Morelli in 2005 was because we didn’t know anything about our skill players. I remember wanting Morelli at QB with DWill, MRob, and Rubin as the WRs.

by speedomike on Aug 27, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point

was not a knock on MRob, just that maybe there’s something we don’t know about Devlin that the coaches have seen. It’s unreasonable to think the MRob was the starter cause they new Morelli had serious problems

by queler on Aug 27, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you know that Matt McGloin passed for more yards in HS than….. .Anthony Morelli? True fact. I kid you not.

Christ, we should bench Clark, Devlin, AND Cianciolo and play this freshman kid! Imagine how good he’d be if we let him start for four years!!!

Sorry for the sarcasm – just befuddled by people who think having Devlin starting for three years is somehow better than starting Clark for two, all while conveniently ignoring things like how they do in practice, how the team reacts to them, whether or not Clark is any good, etc.

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 27, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop

This simple logic angers me. I am the smartest person EVAR! High School stats easily translate into football stats. McGloin is the starter. All Hail.

by psuphiman80 on Aug 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAIL HAIL McLOIN!

Strained my back and pulled McLoin!

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Aug 28, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We tottttaaalllllly need to recruit his cousin, McRib.

That guy would be awesome in Blue & White. Such delicious talent.

PS – when I said McGloin threw for more yards than Morelli, I wasn’t kidding:
http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.com/Blogs/PSUBlogSweatandTears/tabid/576/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4215/Some-fun-with-numbers.aspx

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we can recruit the fry guys for WRs

Grimace as OT
Hamburglar as safety
Mayor McCheese will replace JoePa next season

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Aug 28, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone ever seen Grimace and Brandon Ware in the same place?

I haven’t.

I’m not saying they’re the same person. I’m just saying.

Personally, adding the Big Mac character to the coaching staff would be good – he could easily use his background in chasing Captain Crook & the Hamburglar to keep the team discipline in check.

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 28, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing against Clark

Are we to assume that because he lit up Texas A&M for some rushing yards he should be the starting QB? MRob did that exact same thing to Nebraska in 2002. Just like Nebraska, A&M didn’t know they were going to do that. Once the entire country figured out that when MRob is lined up in the shotgun he was going to fake the handoff and run right, they began to stop it. It is almost like showing up to a game and all of a sudden you stricly run option. The team that prepared for a West Coast Offense, now has to defend the triple option.

I’m not saying Clark over Devlin is a mistake based on who is the better QB at the time. We should think long term here. Starting Devlin gives you a 3 year starter at the most important position on the field. It also shows top HS QBs that we do play Parade All-American’s and not make them sit behind a non qual. Pat Devlin was the right choice for the job. I’m sorry he graduated HS in 2005

If we are going to go on experience, Paul Cianciolo actually has more Passing TDs then both Clark and Devlin (Thank you Tony Hunt)

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IMO

Picking Devlin because he was highly recruited in High School is no less arbitrary than picking Clark because he’s older. I don’t see Clark’s status as a non-qualifier as a relevant consideration at all.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We won't

get any more high ranked QBs if we keep sitting them. Playing Devlin helps with recruits. It sounds strange, but it would. Both Devlin and Clark are being unfairly stereotyped. Clark can only run, Devlin can only pass. We know that is not the case.

However, i don’t want to be sitting in the stands against Illinios and have the game get fumbled away before we figure out who our QB is. The first 4 games aren’t going to show us anything.

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recruiting

I don’t want to sound like the sky is falling b/c of this one starting QB pick, but this could hamper future recruiting. The overwhelming majority of people (including recruits) do not get to see practices on a regular basis, etc. that contribute to a coach’s decision to play or sit a QB. What they do know is that a highly touted QB recruit didn’t get to play. Why would you then choose to go to PSU if they won’t even play you? Couple that with our poor record of developing QB talent and it isn’t very inviting. I am not saying that we play Devlin this year just so that we can recruit better even if DClark has looked better to the coaches. This line of thinking is based on the yet to be proven idea that DClark and Devlin are essentially equal. All being equal, I think you take the kid that has the biggest potential both now and for future purposes.

by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Aug 27, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By that logic...

…should Austin Scott have started instead of Tony Hunt? Because that would have been crazy.

Pat Devlin is a sophmore for god sake. There aren’t many good teams with sophmore quarterbacks. If Pat gets 10% of the snaps this season, he will have played a ton by Penn State standards. Keep in mind, he decided to go to Penn State, Paterno’s prefrence for upper classmen is not exactly a secret. He was kidding himself if he thought he was just going to walk on the field.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin Scott

They tried starting Austin Scott over Tony Hunt during Freshman year. Austin didn’t have the work ethic or drive of Tony Hunt.

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing

From what I’ve read, it sounds like Pat Devlin might have had a few advantages in his high school carrier that Daryl Clark didn’t. It’s not inconceivable to me that put on a level playing field and given the same opportunities, that Clark is just better, plain and simple.

For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,

by jesse. on Aug 27, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is very true

Devlin was brought up as a QB from the day he was born. He played for a good upper-middle class HS, he had all the family and community support around him, and he therefore was able to succeed given his talents.

Clark on the other hand was brought up in a low-income area, played for an urban school, and generally did not have the same community and family support Devlin did.

This is just one important reason that you completely throw out the HS playing — the same way you throw out NCAA when you go to the pros. It doesn’t matter.

Sorry, but Devlin’s HS acolades matter as much as Morelli’s did during the OSU game last year.

by millzners on Aug 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Catch 22

If we play Devlin now, a recruit may think we have a guy in place that is going to start three years and shy away from us. If we start Clark a recruit may think he only has to wait a year until he gets a shot at starting, but he sees wasted talent sitting on the bench. Can we win either way?

by BSD on Aug 27, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just said it

“… win either way”

We just need to win. It doesn’t matter who’s QB, what his recruitment was like, how many years he got to start. Just win a lot of football games, and this stuff will become background noise. Recruits want to be part of a successful and dominate program — only once you step back from that do you begin to worry about public perception of how playing time was handled.

by millzners on Aug 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head. Win, win, win and everything else will work its way out. If Clark comes in and leads the squad to dominant wins, everything, including all critics will fade away.

by bmg125 on Aug 27, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BSD Nation

Have no fear, if Devlin transfers, at least we have Matt McGloin to pick up the pieces!

Please note the sarcasm

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McGlo(v)in!

Yay!

Convivite Nudem!

by jtothep on Aug 27, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is stupid...

…and exactly why PSU fans have such a “sterling” reputation. Crucify a guy before he even hits the playing field, assume we know better than the coaches, and cry “Conspiracy, conspiracy!!”

Clark is the starter. As PSU fans it is our job to support him and believe that he will lead us to a great season. If you want to be a fairweather fan, I suggest you go support that school in Western PA…you’ll have a lot more to bitch about, which would likely make the majority of you happy.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 27, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What he said

‘Go, Darryl!’

Convivite Nudem!

by jtothep on Aug 27, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

and at this point in history, anybody who argues that the QB coaching staff knows what they’re doing and we should just trust them is making the most extraordinary claim.

So the burden is being misplaced by homers, yet again. Show me why we should JayPa and Company.

by M1EK on Aug 27, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And if Devlin was starting...

…you would say it should be Clark. You just want something to complain about, this has been well documented.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 27, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

It’s just typical doom-and-gloomer propaganda, basically fabricating reasons to get “so darn justifiably upset!!”

There is no way to please people like M1EK. He will find fault in everything. If Clark winds up leading us to a great season, then he’ll just bitch about why he wasn’t playing sooner.

I really would like to quote the 9/11 conspiracy South Park episode, about the “1 out of every 4 Americans…,” but this is a family blog.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

South Park...

Don’t worry, I know what you’re talking about.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 28, 2008 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

There is no way to penetrate the thick homer skulls of people like Cpiritual27. He will find reasons to believe the coaching staff on everything. If Clark ends up leading us to a disastrous season, he’ll believe whatever JayPa says (or however Joe covers up for him).

by M1EK on Aug 28, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

If, If, If.

In other words, the entire season is a mystery, but you’re already complaining. It’s what you do, you just need something to complain about.

You have NO CLUE how Clark will play, but you just assume Devlin is better.

I mean, by your “logic,” since we cannot trust the staff, it would’ve been just as disastrous if they picked Devlin, correct?

Face it M1EK, your philosophy means that there is NO right answer here. Please don’t try to rebut this, because I know it’ll likely just be some derivation of “you’re a homer.”

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd defend Jay

if he started Cianciolo.

Fact is, there’s a lot fishy here, and it matches up with past behavior by this staff in terms of always mysteriously picking the upperclassman unless the upperclassman has two broken arms and rides a Rascal. If they just flat-out SAID that’s what they did, fine, but otherwise, I call BS, and if you don’t smell the stench, your nose is stuffed full of Homer.

by M1EK on Aug 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he’s saying OMG the Spread HD is going to be AWESOME111. I think he’s just saying let’s give Jay a chance to make this new offense with a new quarterback work before we condemn them. The last time we ran this type of offense with this type of quarterback it turned out pretty ok.

by BSD on Aug 28, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I’m just sick of everybody somehow managing to find fault in the team before the season even begins. It’s amazing to me that last year a lot of people were calling for Clark to play more, but now that he’s named the starter, he’s not good enough and it’s a conspiracy.

Give the guy a break. He has done nothing wrong, and he has represented the university with class. He had things to prove to even make it to PSU, and he got his act together. He has a strong rapport with the rest of the team, which is something that #14 was unable to do in TWO years as the starting QB. So it’s just amazing to me that somehow he’s already the villain, and Devlin is the savior.

I’m not Jay’s biggest fan, but I’m not going to pretend to know more about the team than he or Joe knows. If people like M1EK knew everything, then they would be the coaches.

Long story short, let’s see how it plays out. If this is a typical homer response, oh well.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical homer response

The homer part is the “trust the coaches; they know what they’re doing”. We have substantial evidence that they didn’t know what they were doing – and the success of Michael Robinson was despite their efforts, not because of it.

At this point, if W told you another country had WMDs and we needed to invade, I suppose you’d trust him, too?

I don’t know which QB is better, either. But I do know that the talk that both were given an equal shot is pretty damn fishy – as does anybody who doesn’t drink the Kool-Aid.

by M1EK on Aug 29, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy guys

Let’s keep this civilized.

by BSD on Aug 28, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

This is heading down the path of the Audibles board…I can barely read that anymore.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 28, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Anthony played all of the games even when he didn’t have “it” what makes you think that Devlin will get a chance to play when Clark starts throwing the ball in the ground or over the receiver’s head? I can’t believe Clark is the better passer of the two. Devlin, the PA state passing record holder, was recruited by Miami which is known as QB U. Clark was recruited by Jay. Enough said.

by IceLion on Aug 27, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?

Not even one game has been played yet and alot of people are already condemning Clark? Unless you’re all clairvoyants, no one has any idea how either of them will do. Clark could surprise you with his passing ability, or he may not. Devlin may not be as good as recruiting services have advertised, or he might. Watch the first four games instead of using your bs powers of prognostication. Give these kids a break!

Oh OhOhOh Oh Oh!

by doctadas on Aug 27, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't try...

…to use logic with some of these guys. They’d rather establish a fall guy well in advance for the team’s presumed impending failure than actually root the team on, and cheer the guys who are out there giving it their all.

Clark is in a no-win situation. That’s the guy I feel bad for, not Pat Devlin.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 27, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE hates PSU more than PSU fans.

A portion of our fanbase who posts online tends to be miserable, sad, argumentative people who know everything. And NOTHING makes them happier than when something goes wrong, so they can say, "SEE? SEE? I told you Joe should have:
kicked Quarless off the team/played Quarless more
started Devlin/started Clark
ran more/passed more
blitzed more/had safety help over the top
called more screens/called more fly routes
switched some OL to DL/switch some DL to OL.

I TOLD you we should have done that!"

Honestly. If we go 13-0 this year, some poeple will easily find something to bitch about.

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 27, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we have a good season

and there are people complaining, I may quit the internet.

by psuphiman80 on Aug 27, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait. Some escaped mental patient with internet access will say,

"Yeah, but we’re ONLY 68-42 since 2000. AND! Only 4-12 against the ‘Big Two’ of OSU and Michigan! We SUCK despite winning a national championship! Jay is the devil!!! How did we play Gino Capone 8 years ago – Joe must be deranged!

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 27, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear

I’m gonna end up on youtube screaming “Leave Daryl Clark alone!!!” Can we actually wait for him to play before we start calling for his head?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Devlin's HS passing record

and 75 cents will get you a can of pop from the vending machine. Not saying he’s a bad player, but what do his numbers really mean? Did he throw a swing pass to a running back who took it 80 yards in a 56-0 win over an overmatched opponent? Clark might be a more accurate passer, and I saw nothing in the spring game to indicate he’d be out of place. That’s all we have to go on right now and we need to give him a chance. Personally I am confident in Clark based on the things I have seen and read about him. Plus, age-wise, Clark is two years older than Devlin so maybe there’s a maturity factor there as well.

by Joe 96alum on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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 Everyone wants to talk about QB so here it goes. He told me he personally prefers PD at QB because he brings much more to the passing attack that DC. DC is rapidly progressing, but that he’s still far behind Pat in the passing aspects of the game. Some good and bad on both players:

-DC- Good things: A PLAY MAKER. Great arm. Good mobility, runs "over" people (even the Lbers have taken a few hits trying to bring him down). Can make big plays, when the pocket collapses. Knows how to find passing lanes. Rapidly improving (he’s come a long way since he first came here and is getting better every day. Bad things: leadership style rubbed some the wrong way (more on this later…although this is mostly a past negative), has the tendency to throw into double and even triple coverage when throwing the deep ball (tries to hard to make the big play instead of settling for a good gain), tends to throw off back foot (never seen that before…sorry my comment not my friend’s ), throws behind receivers and rarely hits them in stride. Locks down on his primacy receiver too much (this is an area where he’s seen the least improvement, but he understands that he has to get better here or Big Ten DBs will eat him alive). Sometimes make throws that will get the receiver killed (for example, over the middle, he throws high and behind the receiver, something that receivers don’t appreciate and gets than jacked up by the LBers… he told me you could do a "jacked up" top ten of the times DC has gotten the receivers blown up by throwing high over the middle). Needs to understand the coverage’s he’s facing and make better reads (he says, however, this is an area where he’s improved the most). Needs to learn to slide some, takes a lot of shots from defenders, hasn’t become a major issue thus far because QBs aren’t supposed to get hit much, but he’s afraid it may become one during the season (this sends warning signals to me that PD better be ready to play).

-PD- Good things: Underrated leader. Not vocal, but in the huddle he looks you in the eye and you know he means business (said he’s kind of like Eli Manning). All the players respect him. Great accuracy, can hit the receivers in stride, understands the defenses he’s facing and makes solid reads. Knows when its time to take a shot down field and when to make a check down. Getting better and more confident with each day. Bad things: as FOS has reported, struggling with the read option. He’s "just not that type of QB." Has good mobility but prefers to throw it. .He has great touch but has the tendency to "glide" the ball into tight coverage instead of firing the ball in. This results in the ball coming late to the receiver, getting batted down by the defense or picked off. He mentioned the Big 33 game his senior year (I don’t recall this game in detail). But when PD played in it he threw a few INTs trying to glide the ball to the receiver instead of driving it into him. This, my friend told me, in addition to the read option problem is PD main problem. He doesn’t do it all the time, but for some reason, everyone once in a while he’s takes some off of his throws and is almost too cute with it. He’s not sure why Pat does it. But PD s working on it and it is becoming less of a problem, but still there.
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by IHATEJAYPATERNO on Aug 28, 2008 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it looked familiar

Please refrain from posting material from the premium boards. Thanks.

by BSD on Aug 28, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for sharing

It’s kind of hard to tell from your intro paragraph, but is your friend a player on the team or something?

by BSD on Aug 28, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure it was a copy & paste of premium info from a site, maybe FOS?

by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 28, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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