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Big Ten Roundtable: Illustrating The Rivalries

Thanks to Gopher Nation for the questions.

1. ESPN's Adam Rittenberg recently ranked the top 5 rivalries in the Big Ten and there were some controversial results (Illinois v Ohio State as #3?). Clearly Ohio State vs. Michigan is the #1 rivalry in the Big Ten, but give me your next three. Your school does not have to be included in this list, but regardless of who you choose defend your picks.

It's common knowledge that, by default, Penn State does not actually have any rivals in the Big Ten. Never mind that several of our games rank in the Top 5 in TV ratings, our 'rivalry' game is Michigan State, and because that is one of the worst rivalries in sports, the rest of our games are clearly meaningless.

So with that in mind, I'm ranking this thing the only way I know how: by coolest trophy.

1. Slab of Bacon - Minnesota v Wisconsin - This, the coolest of Big Ten trophies was somehow lost in the '40s, soon to be replaced by Paul Bunyan's Axe in 1948.

From what I've gathered, the original trophy looked something like this:

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Star-divide

After it rotted in the Wisconsin clubhouse during 1930, a more stable replacement was needed:

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2. Sweet Sioux Tomahawk - Northwestern v Illinois - Not even sure what this means to be honest, and what makes a tomahawk sweet?  Anyway, points for creativity and inclusion of Northwestern.

Update: So here is the story.

The student newspapers at Northwestern and Illinois birthed the idea of the two football teams playing for a wooden Indian trophy in 1945. The name of the trophy was "Sweet Sioux." The following year, the trophy was stolen from a showcase at Northwestern. So, in 1947, a tomahawk was instituted as the traveling trophy. Incidentally, Sweet Sioux was found in 1948 but because of its size, it was discarded and the teams continue to play for the tomahawk to this day.


3. Land Grant Trophy - Penn State v Michigan State - Ok, I'm not actually serious but Penn State was making this list somehow and it certainly wasn't going to be because of the Governor's Victory Bell.  Update for you all, via Wikipedia of course: the rivalry was actually started over a stamp.

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But this wouldn't be a post without a picture of the trophy, a true engineering marvel.

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2. Obviously winning every game is important and beating really good teams sends a stronger message than beating Minnesota. Assume every team is .500 this year and the outcome of your next two games means nothing outside of pride and a year's worth of bragging rights. Give me the two schools you would want to beat (in order) and why. What makes beating School's A and B significant?

Michigan, of course, because of the streak. Other than that, ummmm, Indiana, because...of the streak. Ya, Indiana.

3. Take the two teams from above that you claim are your biggest rivals and give me a new mascot for them.

Michigan is easy.

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 As for Indiana, I had to go a little further in the archives.

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4. There are some new rules in college football this year. My favorite is the Big Ten experimental rule which states that after every win this year you get to pluck one player off their roster and bring them back to your campus. Looking at your schedule give me two players you would pluck (assuming a win), why you would take them and what would you do with them?

Well there is one gaping hole I'm worried about on the PSU roster and that is the corner position. When I look around the Big Ten, I don't see any major upgrades at any other spot (conditional, of course, on Clark/Devlin being able to perform at an average level). So with that being said, I'm taking Jenkins from OSU and Davis from Illinois.

5. Brian at MGO was kind enough to post a diary entry which gives us and new coach Rich Rodriguez a list of Michigan traditions that maybe we were not all aware of. This has inspired two final questions...

5A - are there any Michigan traditions that he missed? (here is your chance for some Michigan cheap shots)

This is easy: consistently being the most over-rated team in football.

5B - Are there any traditions of your school's rival that we should all be aware of?

 Just one.

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Oh, that trophy.

PSU/Thon should sell raffle tickets with the winner getting to destroy the Land Grant Trophy on the 50 yard line at Beaver Stadium.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unrealistic

My suggestion: winner of the raffle gets to add something to the trophy. Every year. Might as well own the hideousness.

by M1EK on Aug 6, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is a great idea. with all the shelves it perfect for that type of over the top ugliness.

by Kevin HD on Aug 6, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trophy

They should fight for Abe Lincoln’s Hat since Lincoln was the one that signed the land grants. How funny would it be to see Abe Koroma dancing on the 50 with a Top Hat on his head and a fake Abe Lincoln beard?

by BSD on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Abe Lincoln Koroma

Please, someone with photoshop skills make it happen.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honest Abe Koroma

Honestly…he’s gonna sack you!

And, yes, I know that’s not a QB he’s tackling. It was the best picture I could find.

I bleed Blue and White.

by Horse N Buggy on Aug 6, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dateline: November 22, 2008

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Defensive End Maurice Evans sports the newly redesigned “Abe Lincoln Land Grant Trophy” while signing autographs.

by Cairo on Aug 6, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummm

that’s effing awesome.

by Kevin HD on Aug 6, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That. Rocks.

Ladies and gentlemen, (and you too RUTS.) we have a new trophy.

by BSD on Aug 6, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

World's ugliest trophy!

Why couldn’t it have been something cool like an axe or or a beer stein or even a bronze pig?

by NJ lion on Aug 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something cool

They probably went wrong in letting MSU football coach George Pearles design it.

by BSD on Aug 5, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sweet!

Great work, Kevin! Geez, where to start? And here I thought Paul Bunyan’s axe was the coolest trophy in the Big Ten: to learn it replaced a slab of bacon kinda pains me. Bring back the bacon!

Great shots of corso. At first glance I thought it was Carmine from Laverne & Shirley, then maybe the nextdoor neighbor dad from That Seventies Show?

Love the Snake Oil Salesman!

And who can get enough of JohnL’s self-bitchslap?

An absolutely beautiful collage…..

Convivite Nudem!

by jtothep on Aug 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that slap

is a youtube classic that will live on forever. just awesome.

by Kevin HD on Aug 5, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TCU and SMU play for the Iron Skillet. It’s a pretty cool trophy. Has anyone seen the Governor’s Victory Bell trophy between Penn State and Minnesota? Slightly better than the Land Grant trophy, but it still looks like an arts and crafts project.

John

by Johnnyrad10 on Aug 5, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the land grant trophy

It wouldn’t be that horrible except on the top they put a golden guy (you know he is made of plastic). I think we should win it and donate it to be the new fulmer cup/trophy.

Boom goes the dynamite.

by psu on Aug 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most Over Rated

That is the most retarded way anyone could possibly rank the most over rated teams of all time.

Its a comparison of different polls pre-season and post season and he changes how he determines what the preseason ranking is after the first four years.

by DrDetroit on Aug 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya, but i had to include it

it’s all just a shot at ND if I remember right.

by Kevin HD on Aug 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stassen

Yeah, it seems like it. Chris Stassen has some great polling statistics, but that list is so obviously flawed that it’s like he leaves it up on his webpage just to provoke flame wars.

by gumbercules on Aug 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That slab of bacon looked pretty damn good to me.

If I could have that, I’d kill somebody to get meat like that for free.

24 DAYS 17 HOURS 32 MINUTES 41 SECONDS UNTIL OPENING KICKOFF.

by Ab4PSU on Aug 5, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F--- Indiana!

ClapClap ClapClapClap

I googled Lee Corso to see if there was a picture from when he took a picture of the scoreboard when Indiana had a lead on Ohio State. One of my favorite stories ever.

by speedomike on Aug 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2004's

squeaker win over Indiana was the biggest impetus for that great ‘05 run.

Had they been able to punch it in at the end, would 2005 have been the same?

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Aug 6, 2008 6:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was awesome

1st and 2 at PSU 2 Chris Taylor (IU) rushed up the middle for no gain.
2nd and 2 at PSU 2 Chris Taylor (IU) rushed up the middle for -1 yards.
3rd and 3 at PSU 3 Nittany Lions timeout; 01:11 remaining 4th quarter
3rd and 3 at PSU 3 Matt LoVecchio (IU) rushed up the middle for 1 yard.
4th and 2 at PSU 2 Nittany Lions timeout; 00:59 remaining 4th quarter
4th and 2 at PSU 2 Chris Taylor (IU) rushed up the middle for 1 yard; turnover on downs.

by Kevin HD on Aug 6, 2008 8:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Penn State Rivalry

I think there are three reasons Penn State doesn’t have a B10 rival.

1. 2000 through 2004. You can’t have a rivalry without being a good team. I think this more than anything hurt PSU rivalry games. Then when PSU recovered, the B10 collapsed.

2. No big upsets or win streaks. The start of a rivalry would be by ruining someone else’s season. Like the year Michigan State won at #1 Ohio State. Then you have to back that up by having consistently good games against that team and being a good team (unlike MSU). Also, beating any better B10 team 3 or more years in a row would also be a big start.

3. Michigan State. What was looking to be a good rivalry by the late 90s fell apart with MSU. With MSU now realizing that football goes beyond September this could indeed be a big rivalry soon. All that has to happen is for MSU to keep improving and have the season ending game mean something. If things go right for both teams this year the game with MSU could be for a BCS Bowl. If that happens, hello rivalry! Or if this happens to be JoePa’s last year, a MSU victory ruining Joe’s last game in Happy Valley would really light a fire in the rivalry.

by DrDetroit on Aug 6, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Land Grant Trophy

looks like a Ken & Barbie dollhouse my daughter had once. It’s got a little terrace, two decks, and rooftop sunbathing area. I think it’s a great idea to celebrate the founding of the schools by calling it the Land Grant Trophy, but it seems they could have put more thought into the design. Work with 1855, say, when both schools were founded.

by jerseywilds on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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