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I was beginning to wonder when this would start.
SEC fans couldn't stop smiling as the PAC-10's reputation went back to what it had been before the season started: that it was a one-team conference.
The Big Ten is in danger of rivaling the PAC-10 for that reputation.
USC's domination of the Pac-10, good for six conference championships (three shared), was bound to lead into some type of OSU-Big Ten comparison sooner or later. The media, even the young college version, is often times lazy about these types of things.
For example: "You can call Buckeyes The Buffalo Bills". Really, why? Only from the furthest of distances is this even close to fair. Ohio State lost two MNC's in two year, all in a sport without a playoff. The Bills, operating on an entirely different level, went to four straight championship games and haven't won a Super Bowl in their history. Ohio State was BCS Champion just six years ago. But why not talk about how they really are the same story. The guy's got deadlines to meet.
Which leads us back into the gem we are currently discussing.
Ohio State has won the last three Big Ten titles outright...
Except they haven't. And in fact, if the Big Ten cared more about being fair than selling t-shirts, they wouldn't have even been allowed to claim a shared championship in 2005 as a result of losing the head to head matchup.
So that's really just two straight championships, three if you want to look past your lie and count the shared one. USC's current streak it twice that.
...and like USC in the PAC-10, there really isn't a program in the conference that is consistently challenging them.
There doesn't have to be a consistent challenger, in fact it's kind of better if there isn't. And again, we are talking about three years here. Penn State challenged beat them in 2005, Michigan was three points away from taking the championship in 2006, and Illinois won in Columbus last year, finishing second in the league and earning a trip to the Rose Bowl. It's not like OSU is running away with it.
(And while we are at it, is USC really that dominant any more? They've lost four games in-conference in two years, one of which, somehow, at home to the Stanford Cardinal.)
But it's important to get the storm brewing early, although I would have expected ESPN to be the first to start the banter. With the game set for prime time on sister network ABC, it's just too good of a hype story to pass up. We are talking ratings here, people. It's the Game Of The Century, two seemingly unbeatable teams. Right?
This isn't an effort to discredit what the Buckeyes have done, however. As much as it pains me to say, a fourth co/championship is still impressive. I also am well aware that they are a rather heavy favorite this year.
I guess I'm just ready for the mindless comparisons and bold words like "lock" and "unbeatable" to fade. I'm even more tired of the "make or break" tag that is being placed on so many teams, as if not winning an MNC in 2008 will somehow cause said program to fold. Instead of using the offseason to clear our preconceived notions and look forward, we get more of the same: trying to fit every team into some type of historical mold so that we can tie things together in newspapers.
"Justin King Until" less one, please.
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Never mind that the
Big Ten has had 7 different teams win Big Ten titles this decade to the SEC’s 4. I know comparing a league with a championship game is different to one that allows co-championships, but there is no recent Big Ten example comparable to Florida’s run of 5 titles in 6 years in the mid ‘90s.
What happened to that Florida dynasty? Oh that’s right, along with its one national title victory it got destroyed 62-24 by Nebraska in 1995. Somehow I never recall hearing that this game was a reflection of the SEC’s mediocrity, or the primacy of the Big XII.
by Cairo on
Aug 8, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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Not to mention
They return 20 of 22 starters on a team that went undefeated through Big Ten and regular season play before choking in the title game against LSU.
Wrong again douchebag.
by speedomike on
Aug 8, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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Hilarious
Not only did they not go undefeated in the big ten, they are returning 20 starters IF you count 2 special teams guys. They are only returning 18 of 22 offensive/defensive starters. I love horrible journalism.
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by HolyBuckeye on
Aug 8, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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ya
i’m not really sure where this guy is comming from. Although, to be fair, I guess his point is as stronger one if the three lies he tells were somehow true.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Aug 8, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
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Changing gears a tad here
but the thing that is pathetic is that Ohio State would go round (and that the Big Ten would let OSU) call themselves co-champs after we beat them head-to-head is just sad. Anything by the Big Ten to discredit Penn State and JoePa, I suppose. If the roles were reversed, I would never have called it ourselves co-champs.
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by Ab4PSU on
Aug 8, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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I don't recall any Ohio State fan
ever claiming they were Big Ten champs in 2005, much to their credit. The Big Ten has it rules, they are silly, and they sold the hats (I would soooo like to know how many Ohio State hats they actually sold). Obviously the guy just looked at a website, and did not apply any common sense at all.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 8, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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A good friend of mine was living and working in Cleveland in 2005
and he said he heard it from all the Fuckeye fans about “Co-champs.” He said these people would say to him “Co-champs. Can’t you read?” And his response to them was one of two things:
1. Yeah, I can read. And I can count. 17-10.
2. What BCS bowl are you going to? Oh, wait. You have to hope you’re invited because you’re an
at-large hope. Not a conference champion.
He said these people would go scurrying to the nearest water cooler to get themselves a glass of “shut the fuck up.” Yeah, Jesse, there were a lot of their fans arrogant enough to consider themselves co-champs.
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by Ab4PSU on
Aug 8, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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My Buckeye Friends Knew Better
They drank their glasses before even trying that with me.
Convivite Nudem!
by jtothep on
Aug 8, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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I saw those
Shit, I almost bought one.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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give them some lattitude
the buckeyes destroyed the media darlings out in the desert.
JD
by psudrozz on
Aug 8, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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Ah, the category of Teams With No Business Being In A BCS Bowl
What is Notre Dame?
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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double your money
...what was the final score?
JD
by psudrozz on
Aug 8, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Damn, 34-20
but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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i do so love
the shadenfreude involved with these subthreads.
JD
by psudrozz on
Aug 8, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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I'll take overrated for $200
What is Brady Quinn’s sister!
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 8, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Last Year
At this time last year wasn’t Michigan being crowned Big Ten champ and possible National Champ. They didn’t even make it through the cupcake portion of their season before their hopes were dashed. The media always pick the favorites. The great unpredictability in college ball is how much a player and team can improve or regress from year to year. Making pre-season predictions are just a WAG (Wild Ass Guess). Some like to use statistics to support their guesses making them a SWAG (Scientific Wild ASS Guesses).
by ageing lion on
Aug 8, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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...not really
I’d say returning 18 starters from a team that lost in the mnc is a bit different than returning 12 from a team that lost their last two games of the year. Pryor can’t hurt the team either. At least one team that is hyped at the beginning of the year always ends up dissapointing, it happens every season. That doesn’t mean that every team that is hyped is going to suck. And its not like the Big Ten is getting shit on and Ohio State isn’t. Ohio State is what brought the criticisms to main stream media by losing two straight championship games.
If nobody watched the retarded talking heads on espn, then there wouldn’t be any. The problem is that for every Mark May, there are ten thousand uneducated fans that think that espn’s word is gospel. That’s what allows them to continue with half-assed work.
And statistics are so dumb, I don’t know why anyone would look at them. You know, they don’t give you an objective view of events or anything.
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by HolyBuckeye on
Aug 8, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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I would say far more one team disappoints every year
which is why preseason rankings are full of it
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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The Problem I see
is that the media has already defined the season as “Ohio State and the little ten”. If OSU loses to USC and fails to win the conference we’ll be faced with another offseason of hearing how pathetic the Big Ten is. I’m afraid the only thing that will turn around this trend is for some school OTHER than Ohio State or Michigan to win a National Championship.
Who was the last time the AP recognized a Big Ten team other than one of the Big Two as the national champion?
Answer – Minnesota in 1960.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 8, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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Do you really want to bat around the hornet's nest
of 1994?
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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Yeah, Mike. I really hope you don't want to get 1994 kicked up again.
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by Ab4PSU on
Aug 8, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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But it speaks to my point
Every year unless Ohio State or Michigan win the conference it’s a down year for the Big Ten. That’s why until another team wins the BCS we will always be perceived as the Big Two and Little Nine conference. And the problem is that even if Wisconsin or Penn State went undefeated they wouldn’t get any repect because Ohio State and Michigan obviously had down years.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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But the argument wasn't
well Penn State shouldn’t be number 1, because Michigan and Ohio State had down years.
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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True
Nobody was saying that at the time, but that PSU team was knocked for their weak schedule even though we beat USC, Michigan, and Ohio State that year. I think the manner in which we beat Ohio State by nearly 50 points just proved Ohio State was overrated in many people’s minds rather than enforced the notion that Penn State was really really good.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 8, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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If I recall, a lot of it hinged on the Indiana game
and the misleading score with garbage time scores
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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True
There was that, and then the following week when we fell down 21-0 to Illinois and had to make a furious second half comeback. But the way that team scored at will and rolled up 35 points by halftime and gave up a lot of points on defense made a lot of people question the level of our competition. Penn State flat out made teams look bad.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Aug 8, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
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And that Illinois team was damn good
Especially that defense with Simeon Rice and Kevin Hardy
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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The fact is....
...Penn State pounding OSU and dropped from #1 to #2 in the poll.
Name ANY number 1 team that beats ANY other team 64-13 that would drop to #2…
by stonewall435 on
Aug 9, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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It's hard to believe today
but at the time Tom Osborne had never won a national title either. There was a lot of pitty votes for Dr. Tom that year, although it turned out he didn’t really need them.
For the Glory; National Champions 1982, 1986, 1994,
by jesse. on
Aug 8, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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1994
Look, 1994 was supposed to happen. When Penn State joined the Big Ten, 1994 is what was expected of Penn State. Penn State was supposed to dominate the Big Ten more years than not. It hasn’t happened.
That 1994 team wasn’t really a Big Ten team anway though. All the stars of that team were recruited before Penn State was in the Big Ten.
And we don’t have a fancy trophy to prove we won the championship that year. What bugs me more is 3 years later when Michigan and Nebraska were c-national champs. Explain that to me!
Kevin
by kevinmc on
Aug 8, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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Co-champs
The whole co-champs thing that the Big Ten does is silly. I often hear/read comments about how Northwestern has more Big Ten championships than us since we joined the conferece. Whatever.
The fact that Ohio State fans would brag to a Penn State fan about 2005 tells you everything you need to know about that fanbase.
by speedomike on
Aug 8, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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As far as 1994 goes, let's just look at the political facts regarding that disgrace:
1. Nobody in the east wanted to vote for us because they were all pissed off about us
joining the Big Ten and leaving their little fraternity, but yet they didn’t want us in an
all eastern sports league. So there were sour grapes right there.
2. Any Big Ten official, fan, coach or school can say otherwise because their worst fears didn’t come true, but they were all scared to death of us
when we joined the Big Ten, and they were afraid we were going to dominate the
league. Former Michigan coach Gary Moeller said “Penn State will make our jobs
harder.” Iowa coach Hayden Fry said “They’ll injure people and maybe cost
somebody a national championship.” (Both quotes taken from The Paterno Legacy). Granted, it hasn’t turned out that way, but that just proves
they were scared of us at the time. As a result, after we came in and were the
first school since the Fuckeyes in 1968 to go undefeated, everybody, out of
childish spite, voted dear old Tom Osborne #1 because they were pissed that the
new kids on the block upset the apple cart.
3. People can say our schedule was weak that year, but they cry that about us
every year. As far back as 1973, Sports Illustrated stated “Texas grows fat on
people like Rice, TCU and Baylor and it matters not. Notre Dame dines on
Army, Navy and Pitt and it bothers no one. But let Penn State take on Ohio
University and sirens go off.” Why the double standard with our so-called
competition? LIke my dad said, until there’s a real playoff, they might as well
put the national championship trophy in a urinal and let people piss on it
because that’s all it’s worth. People apply all sorts of double standards to how
they vote, and they sure as hell hate us. That’s why they had no trouble
splitting the 1997 title between scUM and the Cornfuckers.
Because of this prejudice against us by the media and our own conference “brothers,’ that’s why it made me absolutely sick to see OSU win it all in 2002, and I’ve laughed like a jackal the last two title games OSU got romped in. And I will not, will not, root for any Big Ten team to win in a championship game, even if it’s against Notre Dame, until we’ve won another national title (maybe two) just out of childish spite.
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by Ab4PSU on
Aug 8, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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Believe it or not, yeah.
We can always laugh at Miami and no matter how that rivalry goes, bring up THE Fiesta Bowl. It’s interesting that you bring Miami up. If they wouldn’t have choked in the Orange Bowl against the Cornfuckers, we wouldn’t be rehashing the 1994 screw job.
Actually, now that I remember it, I might have been rooting for Al Qaeda to blow up Tempe the night Miami played OSU.
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by Ab4PSU on
Aug 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
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If Miami didn't spend 5 minutes dancing after every play in the first half
they would have had plenty of energy to beat the Huskers
by PSU Nick on
Aug 8, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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Miami
Also, I remember Miami’s Receivers dropping key passes on 3rd down(Chris T. Jones, the future Iggle, I am talking to you) that would have sustained drives.
by PABroncofan on
Aug 10, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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Miami's performance in 1994
was the most gutless, souless, usless act of football I’ve ever watched. By the end of the game I was rooting for Nebraska.
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by jesse. on
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