The History of the Penn State - Syracuse Rivalry
This is Part One of a two part series examining the rivalry between the Penn State Nittany Lions and the Syracuse Orange. This series originally ran a year ago, but since the two teams are meeting this weekend for the last time in the foreseeable future, I thought it would be appropriate to run it again. Part II will run tomorrow.
When I was a young boy growing up in the 80's I never understood our rivalry with Syracuse. But I knew there were three teams my grandfather hated more than any other: Pitt, Notre Dame, and Syracuse. I was young and you couldn't get all the games on television back then, so my obsession with all things Penn State football didn't really kick in until around 1986. It was only four years later until the Nittany Lions and the Orange played their last game in 1990.
As I cruised the message boards and blogs this week it has been interesting to see the different levels of anticipation. Older fans have had this game circled on their calendar since the ink dried on the contract a few years ago and are really looking forward to putting the hurt on our old nemisis. But I've also seen inquisitive younger fans struggle to understand why we should care about this game any more than Temple or Coastal Carolina. In fact this week our own Anthony Scirrotto had this to say.
How aware is the team of the history of the rivalry between Penn State and Syracuse?
To be honest, I'm not very familiar with the rivalry. Before practice yesterday, coach Paterno talked to us about how big this game is. From their standpoint, there's going to be a lot of people there, very famous people. Jim Brown's going to be there. It's going to be a packed house. He mentioned other names that I don't really remember but he said it's going to be a big game.
To a certain extent I include myself in this group of ignorant fans. As I said above, I never really lived during the glory days of this rivalry. So I started reading up on it earlier this week. Soon I realized this is a rivalry that has it all. A long history. Frustrating losses. Gut wrenching upsets. Demoralizing beatdowns. Epic battles for eastern supremacy. Biased officiating. Animosity between coaches. And even fist fights on the field. For younger fans like myself, this is a story that needs to be told and passed down through generations. This post will attempt to do that. I only hope I can do it justice.
In The Beginning
Penn State and Syracuse met for the first time at the Polo Grounds in New York in 1922. Penn State had firmly established itself as the dominant team in the east by that time. They were riding a 29 game unbeaten streak and had accepted an invitation to the Rose Bowl prior to the 1922 season. They were easily favored to win, but Syracuse played an excellent game. State knocked on the goal line several times in the first half, but Syracuse stopped them each time. But then Penn State's star fullback Mike Palm got injured and the referees refused to allow him to keep playing. After that the Penn State offense could not move the ball. It was Syracuse who had several scoring threats in the second half, but they too were turned away by the stout Nittany Lion defense. The game ended in a 0-0 tie, but everyone considered it a victory for the Orange.
The next several years saw Penn State go through a lot of soul searching as a university and football team. Athletic scholarships were eliminated in 1927 as the university wanted to focus more attention on scholastics. The Penn State football program suffered mightily. Over the next 18 years from 1923 to 1940 Penn State would only manage four wins and four ties against the school from up north. You can only imagine the utter frustration in State College as seven of the ten losses were by a touchdown or less. As Penn State slipped into mediocrity, the Syracuse program filled the power vacuum and established itself as the new Beast of the East.
| Year | Home/Away | Penn State | Syracuse | Win/Loss |
| 1922 | New York | 0 | 0 | Tie |
| 1923 | Away | 0 | 10 | Loss |
| 1924 | Away | 6 | 10 | Loss |
| 1925 | Away | 0 | 7 | Loss |
| 1926 | Home | 0 | 10 | Loss |
| 1927 | Away | 9 | 6 | Win |
| 1928 | Home | 6 | 6 | Tie |
| 1929 | Away | 6 | 4 | Win |
| 1930 | Home | 0 | 0 | Win |
| 1931 | Away | 0 | 7 | Loss |
| 1932 | Home | 6 | 12 | Loss |
| 1933 | Away | 6 | 12 | Loss |
| 1934 | Home | 0 | 16 | Loss |
| 1935 | Away | 3 | 7 | Loss |
| 1936 | Home | 18 | 0 | Win |
| 1937 | Away | 13 | 19 | Loss |
| 1938 | Home | 33 | 6 | Win |
| 1939 | Away | 6 | 6 | Tie |
| 1940 | Away | 13 | 13 | Tie |
The 1940's - The Lions Strike Back
By the 1940's, Bob Higgins had the Penn State program back on track to its winning ways. Syracuse, on the other hand, went through a mediocre stretch of its own only managing two winning seasons during the decade. And Penn State was all too happy to put the beatdown on the school that had nearly dominated them the first two decades of the rivalry. Penn State won eight straight times from 1941-1949, and only the 1942 game was close. State shut out the Orangemen four straight years from 1944 through 1947. Each game got meaner and nastier as Syracuse refused to come to grips with the fact these boys from the farmer school in the Pennsylvania hills were whipping their butt.
| Year | Home/Away | Penn State | Syracuse | Win/Loss |
| 1941 | Home | 34 | 19 | Win |
| 1942 | Home | 18 | 13 | Win |
| 1944 | Away | 41 | 0 | Win |
| 1945 | Home | 26 | 0 | Win |
| 1946 | Away | 9 | 0 | Win |
| 1947 | Home | 40 | 0 | Win |
| 1948 | Away | 34 | 14 | Win |
| 1949 | Home | 33 | 21 | Win |
But the best days of this rivalry were yet to come. Tomorrow we'll cover the epic battles of the 1950'sand 1960's in great detail and discuss the utter dominance of the Joe Paterno era.
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Eastern 8
Could someone provide some history to the proposed Eastern 8 conference.
Websites or reading material?
The proposed 8 teams were:
Boston College
Temple
Syracuse
Pitt
WVU
Temple
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
That correct?
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
by wookieeman on Sep 11, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
For one, that’s 9 teams. For two, Villanova (this was floated before the I-A/I-AA split, or at least before ‘Nova dropped to I-AA, if I’ve got the history right) was on the list, and Maryland and one of WVU or Rutgers was not.
I’m not sure it would have worked, but it could have. The conference would certainly have expanded in the late 1980s or early 1990s when everyone else was, though with who is something of a question. It’d depend what everyone else did. My guess is that the ACC goes to 12 sooner than they really did, with Miami, Virginia Tech, and very grudgingly East Carolina (for lack of any better options) along with Florida State, and that the Big Ten stands pat with ten teams. Which probably means Louisville and Cincinnati make it the Eastern 10.
by drothgery on Sep 11, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, your wrong.
Maryland was definatly on the list. Joe Paterno said so as recently as Tuesday. I don’t know where you got Villanova from. Other than the fact that the guy listed Temple twice, he’s got the teams right.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
JoePa’s revising history there. Maryland wasn’t a possibility. They were a founding member of the ACC in 1953, long before anyone was even thinking about a northeastern football conference, and would not have left the ACC to join one.
As for ‘Nova being on the list; I got that from an article in Pittsburgh’s newspaper a few years ago that was posted over on a Big East message board.
by drothgery on Sep 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose anything is possible
But I’d have to imagine that if Maryland was not going to join the eastern league they would be screaming bloody murder that Joe Paterno is making that up everytime he says it. And he’s been saying it for twenty years. Just like Penn State issues a swift denial everytime somebody insuinates that we might leave the Big Ten.
It may not be true anymore, but in the early 1980’s I have no trouble believeing that Maryland would have left the ACC (hardly a football confrence at all back then) to play Penn State every year. According to the ESPN College Football enclocypedia, Maryland still considers Penn State to be their most hated football rival.
As far as Villianova is concerned, that makes no sense. Villinova is one of the schools that would be at the aboslute front end of trying to prevent the league from coming about, ie one of the samll basketball schools that are totally reliant on Bige East basketball to fund their program. They never, ever, could have competed in a league like this. Cincinnati would have been a far more likely choice.
Finally, both WVU and Rutgers (and Temple) were in the Atlantic Ten with Penn State, they would have come along for the ride for sure.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way 'Nova survives...
in that conference. I went there and no one goes to the football games and I went there when B-West was there. The stadium only holds about 10K and has no luxury boxes. Nova would have needed to grow the program in a hurry.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maryland was included.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/66059
Paterno still harbors hard feelings toward Pitt for wrecking plans for what he described as a “nice little eight-team” league that would have included seven Eastern schools and Atlantic Coast Conference defector Maryland.
by Cairo on Sep 11, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHEE I CAN RESPOND TO OLD COMMENTS
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect you to respond to this comment in 2010.
by Cairo on Sep 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll have to get Mike to re-open it again
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I am the moron of the day, which fits for the day I am having.
No. I was ashamed to be seen with you. I like being with you.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We sure were dumb a year ago.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
by psu on Sep 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Temple twice
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
by wookieeman on Sep 11, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy stole my avatar so I changed to my current
And he has never been heard from again.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
by psu on Sep 9, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is only fair
to allow Temple twice the chance to try for wins.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 11, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is JNitt btw?
I don’t remember reading a single comment from him in weeks.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 9, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question... I haven't seen anything from that dude now that you mention it
that and then Jtot goes all ND sympathizer. wtf is going on here?
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 10, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're being picked off one by one
Once they get Rambler….I shudder to think what they could use him for.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 10, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll never take me alive, Dawson
Not like JNitt. Hell, he proably wanted to be turned into a Dantonio-bot.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I was friends with Emus before jimmy clausen knew how to scratch his nuts.
And regarding Charlie Weis: …I got nothin.
Cept Pickem Week 2 win!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Sep 11, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm here, I'm alive
I drove down to Texas to help the (ex) gf move, and then went down (up? out? wtf is it when you go from Texas) to the Jersey Shore for Labor Day weekend, came back to Michigan, and have been swamped trying to catch up both at work and BSD (there are like100 new threads and thousands of new comments to get through).
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 10, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wooo hooo!
Ex gf! Atta boy! Gradulations!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Sep 11, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of rivalries
these are two great reasons why we need one. or, at least, resurrect the pitt rivalry.:
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2008/9/10/611842/personal-ads-for-the-iowa
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2007/9/13/13712/6905
"That's a [expletive] play!"
by psudrozz on Sep 11, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want a rivalry as much as anyone but:
Playing Pitt would only benefit Pitt and not us. Right now Pitt is a bad football program from a crappy school in a conference that is shaping up to be mediocre.
Having the opportunity to beat PSU would be their biggest game all season — it would fill their stands, lightup their TV ratings, give their fans something to hope for. For us, it would be another mediocre team on the schedule, another chance to lose to a team we shouldn’t, and in the end it would be us doing them a favor.
Pitt should sign on to play us home and home. They don’t deserve us coming over there. Pitt should be treated like Costal Carolina, or FIU — except they should pay us to play in our house.
In conclusion — screw Pitt.
by millzners on Sep 11, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
They are one eight or nine season away from the media fawning over them and saying Pitt is back and the Big East is for real. I wish we could go back to putting a beatdown on Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, Maryland, and Syracuse every year so there was no question who the beast of the east is. Right not these guys are taking too much of the local talent for my liking.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 11, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grr pitt
just the name alone makes the hair on my neck stand. i would never pass up an oppurtunity to hand out a good curb-stomping on them over the likes of coastal.
one would have thought that pitt was going all the way this year, given the blather of mark may and other alum who did nothing but praise them while kneeling.
verily, schadenfreude.
"That's a [expletive] play!"
by psudrozz on Sep 11, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be true
that they’re only an eight win season away from media love, but they’re a long way from getting 8 wins. Pitt isn’t going to a half-decent bowl game until they get a new coach and a few years for that guy to teach players how to do something besides grow an impeccable stash.
by spakajewia on Sep 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this stuff
It’s like we walk down an alternate universe, what if the Eastern Conference actually happened…a lot of things would be the same, but the season would be a totally different animal. The entire thing would be filled with ‘rivals’ instead of, well I don’t know what to call it now.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Sep 11, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be in the Big Ten
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along those lines
Just think of the SEC but it would be the NEC — and we would probably have just as much angst and spite that those teams do down there. Instead of the ‘Meh’ games against Minnesota, Northwestern, and Indiana — it would be the all the fire and brimstone of a true conference rivalry.
It would also mean PSU fans would travel better — b/c I can tell you I would definately drive to a Maryland, WVU, Rutgers, or Pitt game if we played them every year. I am not going to drive all the way out to Illinois or Ann Arbor anytime soon…
Joe was ahead of his time — now we have sit and wonder…
by millzners on Sep 11, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These were not fire and brimstone rivalries
From 1966 PSU’s record against ______ is…
Maryland 22-0-1
Pitt 23-7-1
Syracuse 21-4
WVU 21-2
These were slaughters. This is like being in the Big Ten without Michigan, Ohio State or Wisconsin. Trash.
Everybody who complains about our schedule than waxes poetic about our old rivalries is not being consistent.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
On that list, only Boston College and West Virginia resemble anything close to a consistently competent program.
I want to say I’m a bit tired of the “rivalry talk”, but I keep getting sucked into it anyway. With that said, I wonder if any of those teams would be interested in meeting us every year in late November (yes, right after the big Michigan State rivalry game that we all go absolutely nuts over sarcasm intended)? Who do they consider their rivals? Does B.C. close the season with UConn every year? I know Pitt and W.V. play each other, but would either one of them be more interested in playing us? How ‘bout Rutgers and Maryland? They can’t possibly have a rivalry game bigger than the one we’d provide. These are just thoughts. Closing the season with an old eastern rival is just a whole lot more intriguing than playing Michigan friggin’ State every year for that horrible made-up trophy.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 11, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me...
that unless we tear off a 15 game winning streak against Michigan State in the near future, that the Spartans are, and will continue to be, a much more competitive rival for us than any of our traditional eastern rivals were in the past 40 years.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, true
More competitive, definitely… but nowhere near compelling. Personally, I don’t know many Penn Staters who have any connections with the state of Michigan whatsoever. It’s geographically detached from PA, so there’s definitely an out of sight, out of mind thing going on. Honestly, I couldn’t care less about Michigan State… I really couldn’t. There’s no hate there at all… and I imagine the same is true from their side. It’s no different than playing Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, etc, etc, etc.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 11, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up with the "traditional" rivals
There was never anything compelling about playing BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, WVU or Maryland. Every single year, at least four of those teams had about the same chance of beating Penn State as Coastal Carolina did (Neither Maryland nor Temple have ever beat Penn State). Every once and a while, BC, Syracuse or WVU would be about as good as say Wisconsin or maybe decent John Cooper era Ohio State team, and if were having a down year, they might, might, win one game in four. It was not competitive by and large, and Penn State’s records against those teams really demonstrate that fact.
Pitt was interesting, but really only because they went the extra mile in being a pain in the ass. Their record was only marginally better against us then everybody else’s.
Were going back in time this weekend. On the road, in a building full of our fans, playing a team that’s going to get buried.
Same as it ever was.
It won’t be the first time Syracuse gets blown out by Penn State, I couldn’t care less if it’s the last.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 11, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, believe me...
I’m well acquianted with your opinions about: (a) our involvement with the Big Ten, and (b) what it means to look and move forward as a program. For the most, I’m on board. As I mentioned a number of times previously, I believe our main focus should be on winning the Big Ten year in and year out… or at least being competitive enough to challenge for it, beating another quality Big Ten team every single year. I’d add that, personally, I consider Ohio State a rival, even though many others don’t for the fact that they already have a huge rival in the U of M. With only two or perhaps three exceptions, every single Penn State/Ohio State game has been quite competitive. We’re only 5-10 against them, but frankly, that’s not terrible considering most other teams do much worse.
But back to the previous argument. I was never suggesting we’d be better off going to a full eastern football schedule (including all those schools listed above). I’m just looking for one competent eastern school to act as our rival and I really don’t thing that’s abad thing (nor do I think it’s necessarily evidence that we’re looking backward). I just think of it as an attempt to find someone (other than OSU and Michigan) that everyone can rally against when November comes rolling to an end. Frankly, Michigan State ain’t that team, nor will they ever be. The fact that we play them last every year will never be anough to spawn genuinely disdain for them. Why would it?
On the other hand, how ‘bout West Virginia? As you say, we used to mop the floor with them every year. But that was back in the 70s and 80s. They’re a different and better program now… one worthy of a renewed rivalry, I believe. And you can’t tell me fans from both sides wouldn’t REALLY get into it.
Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents. Resurrect one old rivalry with a team that can play at our level in the new millenium… I say W.V. could fill that role beautifully.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 11, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
WVU wouldn’t make sense for the same reasons that OSU and scUM don’t make sense. They already have a bigger rival in Pitt (though I think we would be a bigger rival for Pitt than WVU is for them).
Whenever I hear talk about expanding the Big 10, I always hope it would be some school like Pitt, Rutgers, or Notre Dame so we could establish a “real” rivalry (though again, I think Notre Dame – Michigan State would possibly be as big or bigger a rivalry, so that could have the effect of losing us our current "rivals")
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 11, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you, man
The Notre Dame question probably moot, however, since they’re simply not interested in being a member of the Big Ten. In the end, if a twelve team is ever added, it’ll come from the east…. which, as you say, would be great for Penn State, ‘cause we’d finally have a natural rival. In terms of academics (coupled with geographic location), the frontrunners would have to be Rutgers, Syracuse, and Maryland… and I guess you could throw in B.C., but that would be a bit of a stretch. Personally, of those three, give me Maryland any day. Rutgers second. Syracuse third. Just my opinion.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 12, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
ND can only remain independent as long as they keep their sweet deal with NBC. NBC will only want to keep that deal as long as they’re as popular as they are. They will only remain as popular as they are as long as they keep winning. I have to imagine that if they have a few more seasons like last year under their belt (unlikely, but possible), that eventually the cycle will end, but who knows, it could go on forever. I know ND & NBC have extended the contract through 2015, but even then I could see some sort of “compromise” deal where ND could keep its exclusive contract until it expires, and then fall under the Big 10 – ABC contract.
As for BC, they might be ruled out since I heard from someone (though this could be just “urban myth”) that the Big 10 has a rule that members must be from states that border each other. The only reason I ever heard this was that I knew some Rutgers people who were excited at the possibiity that they could join the Big 10 since with PSU they now have a border, and that the Big 10 would really love to tap into the major market of NYC.
For marketing reasons I think Rutgers would make sense, and it would allow PSU-Rutgers to develop a natural rivalry. On the downside I think that Penn State is already too far east for travelling to conference games. Rutgers is another 3.5-4 hours east.
Pitt makes more geographical/rival sense, but Pitt sucks.
Maryland would be an interesting addition, but I don’t see them defecting from the ACC, plus they suffer from the same downside as Rutgers, while not really adding the major market of NYC (though Baltimore/DC is nothing to sneeze at).
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 12, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No question...
ND would be the Big Ten’s first choice, far and above anyone else. I used to speculate that ND would lose some of its appeal as the oldtimers that grew up in their hayday start dwindling in number (i.e. passing away)… but I’m starting to believe that would be a wrong assumption. The (misplaced) love for ND seems to be passed on from generation to generation. Example: I have a coworker in her early 50s who absolutely LOVES two teams: Notre Dame and the Dallas Cowboys. I really think that says it all. Either team could experience five or six consecutive losing seasons (or, let’s say, nine consecutive bowl losses dating back to 1993) and it wouldn’t diminish her enthusiasm in the least. So, my guess is that ND will never feel like it has to join a conference, even one with the great traditions of the Big Ten.
I never heard of the “border rule”, but it makes A LOT of sense, really. It could well be true.
Yeah, Pitt won’t even be in the discussion… the Pittsburgh market is NOT something worthy of the conference’s consideration… plus, Penn State and Ohio State already have the attention of that market.
Honestly, as I said, the combination of academics and location places only Rutgers, Syracuse, and Maryland in the discussion. I know the whole NYC market was the hot topic, but I’m willing to bet there are asmany, if not more, Penn State fans in New York than there are Rutgers and Syracuse combined. That might be an exaggeration, but not a huge one. That’s why I say Maryland. Baltimore/D.C. market… solid academics… decent football and basketball (not world-beating, but decent). It makes sense all around. Would they leave the ACC? Good question. They’re the second most northern school in the entire league, so I’d say there’s a very good possibility they’d consider it. I would really hope so.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 12, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State's administration
Would do everything in their power to keep Syracuse and Pitt out of the Big Ten, even if they wanted to join, which they don’t.
20 years ago Maryland might have left the ACC, but not today, they would never give up their basketball games against Duke and UNC.
That leaves Rutgers, which may happen someday in the future, but not anytime soon.
Big Ten schools don’t grow on trees, and I believe the the honchos in Chicago when they say there is no time pressure on expansion.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 12, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
they’re definitely in no rush. Twelve teams sorta screams for two divisions and I don’t think most coaches and Athletic Directors are into that idea. Not sure I am either, though my vote doesn’t exactly matter. lol
I really wonder about Maryland. That would be one hell of a tough decision for them. Basketball rivalries considered, can they really turn down the prestige of the Big Ten? I wouldn’t want to be known as the President or Athletic Director who did that! I’d add that both Maryland and Rutgers easily have the academic pedigree to step right into the Big Ten with no problem. US New & World Report isn’t the be-all-end-all, but their rankings place both schools right in the middle of the conference… somewhere around 6th, 7th, or eighth, near Ohio State and Minnesota.
by BSM PSU 93 on Sep 16, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to listen to a bunch of Rutgers people this weekend
and one of them was absolutely convinced that Rutgers was going to join the Big 10 (which is REALLY funny because during the dark years he kept laughing at PSU, and said that joining the Big 10 was the worst decision they ever made, and that they don’t fit geographically, etc). He seems to also be under the impression that the deal will be announced in 2012-2013, and that Rutgers will be in the league 3-5 years later.
I just laughed him off and said we’ll be waiting for ND for much longer than that timeframe, but that they can feel free to sit alone at night waiting for the call while eating some Ben & Jerry’s.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 10, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ND/NBC
Who is to sat that NBC wouldn’t want an exclusive Big Ten contract with Notre Dame as a member. That has to be more valuable than a stand alone deal with just the Irish, right? The SEC has a similar deal with CBS.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Sep 12, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go there
I am a grad student at MSU (after doing my undergrad at PSU). Let me tell you all that people here care about this rivalry just as much as we do, that is to say they don’t care about it one bit. During the season many of the undergrads and alumni and locals around here that I know even root for Penn State when they’re not playing against Michigan State, even against other conference opponents. I can’t think of too many games, especially in conference games, that I would ever root for OSU, scUM, Pitt, ND, Nebraska, Florida State, and a slew of many other hated teams.
I really do wish we would set up a good yearly rivalry, either out of conference, or by bringing another school into the conference that would be a good rivalry fit for us.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 11, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i went to an away game there
and had the same feeling. We won the game, filled most of the local bars afterwards, and everyone was either friendly or dismissive.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Sep 11, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really comes down to
how many other teams would that team place as a rival ahead of us. For MSU they would place at LEAST scUM and Notre Dame ahead of us, so at best we’re their third biggest rival, but even then I probably wouldn’t even place us in the top 5. MSU also has a good basketball team, and so their rivalries from there carry over as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 11, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
When the Land Grant Trophy is on the line, you might as well throw out the record books.
by Cairo on Sep 11, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad we can’t throw out the Land Grant Trophy.
by Tailgate Shogun on Sep 11, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
you don’t like a hunk of ceder with a spartan-esque statue jammed in the top, and then a piss-poor shelf fashioned to the side with a mini rep of the lion shrine? i mean seriously whats not to love about that amalgamation?
For the glory
by lionalum05 on Sep 11, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for the use of the word amalgamation
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 10, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What...
the fact that both are Land Grant Institutions doesn’t do it for you?
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh hem
You do realize you are commenting on things that were said a year ago, right?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PSU vs. Eastern 8
sounds like Pac-10 vs USC.
by g1184 on Sep 9, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome job so far
Dirty Syracuse, back in the day I was at a game and we were chanting for the lion and got him to come on up. Then someone started cheering for the orange and the fool in the suit decided it would be a good idea so he was passed about 1/4 of the way up the student section before he was desuited and chucks of orange cloth were distributed around the student section. That was some hatred. It was very funny to see him escape with only his wire frame and no orange left.
I don't know, Mello Yello is pretty awful. What's the worst that could happen?
by psu on Sep 11, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome!
how stupid could you be as a mascot? go to the other student section? back in the day I went to a USC v. UCLA game (UCLA is my backyard team out here… screw SC) and Tommy Trojan decided to ride that damn horse in front of the student section where we were all eating bags of oranges we bought for a couple bucks outside the stadium when we walked in…. yeah bad idea on his part… waves of oranges pelted down on him until the horse spooked and he got thrown off onto the track. what an asshole that guy was and so glad to be a part of his Pryor-in-front-of-a-microphone like moment there
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 10, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is awesome
I mean, not that I’d want PSU doing something like that, but how do you not get stopped by security carrying a giant sack of fruit into the stadium.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 10, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SoCal back in the 80's...
back before homeland security considered produce brought into the Coliseum a possible WMD
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 10, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest, officer
My dad could only afford a twenty year old hearing aid, and it eats up D-cell batteries like you wouldn’t believe.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 10, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been a fan since the early 80s, and Syracuse has always sucked. I think you need to be a very old school fan to have hatred for the Orange.
by Tailgate Shogun on Sep 11, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, man, they've got Greg Paulus now!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1919 PSU
..in 1922. Penn State had firmly established itself as the dominant team in the east by that time.
I would love to hear how you concluded that PSU was the dominant team in the east by 1922. Did you mean the best team in PA for that one year? Clearly Pitt was the dominant team in the east for a time frame expanding from 1914-1928. In those 14 years Pitt lost to PSU only once…1919. I understand the sentiment of "to be the man you’ve gotta beat the man. " but I just don’t see how one could justify calling PSU dominant in the east in that time frame.
by ChrisA on Sep 16, 2008 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah?
Well your mother was a hamster!
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only a Pitt fan would argue to the death over something like that....
48-14, Pryor.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I don’t know whether or not to join in the insanity of replying to year old comments, or to try to start some new discussions…
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Sep 9, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they a year old?
or are they from two days in the future?
I was wondering how a long and non-controversial post went up and had 40 comments in a matter of minutes.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that
The post tomorrow will be comment free.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOO
I enjoy responding to old comments!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
It will be funny to watch someone else respond to a comment from a year ago without realizing it was actually said a year ago, only to feel like an idiot when they reply to it.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 9, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be me... lol
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 10, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked your old avatar better
Now someone else is going to have to switch to it.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
back by popular demand
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Sep 9, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just better this way
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a head's up
to anyone that might be at a game this year at the stadium. They sell this penn state novelty stadium radio that “kinda” looks kike a blue tooth which wraps around your ear. It also comes with a PSU lanyard for around $20. What certain vendors fail to tell you is that 2008 model will not work this year unless you get the $10 2009 upgrade!
by penntatefan on Sep 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not so sure about this.
i asked the same thing and got hooked into buying a new one, the guy sitting below me, radio (yes that what we call him), was using his without a problem. the radio part will still work also fwiw
For the glory
by lionalum05 on Sep 9, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
should of been" like a bluetooth"
by penntatefan on Sep 9, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh just great
Now the anti-semites will be crawling around here once the search engines fine that typo.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 9, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's "penntate"?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard that term for a long time. Actually forgot about it...that's a good thing!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
by PaJoe on Sep 9, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a fun new round
of “You Found Us!” in the making!
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his defense though the "K" key is right next to the "L" key
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 9, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fingers you have used to type this reply are too fat
to order a special typing wand, mash the keyboard with your palm now.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 10, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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