Cowherd says PSU is a darkhorse for the NC
Just happend to be tuned in when Colin Cowherd was interviewing a college football "expert" and asked who is the darkhorse NC team this year. Cowherd said he thinks Penn State is. Nice to get some respect right?
The expert responds by comparing the SEC to the NFC East in the NFL, saying that if Penn State were to get to the NC game, it would only be because the SEC teams beat up on each other and that clearly the top 3 teams in the country are the top 3 teams in the SEC. This is similar to the discussion about the Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys of the NCF East.
Is this Jimmy Tressel's legacy for the Big Ten? Now, no matter what, people believe the real NC game is the SEC championship. Has Tressel tarnished this conference to the degree that not even an undefeated season means anything to the rest of the country?
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Respect
We’ve got to earn it back. It’s tough partially because of Tressel and OSU reaching for their ankles anytime they’re on the big stage. But it’s also because we never get any credit…from the other B10 teams or the voters. The way we’ve played for the past decade hasn’t helped our case either.
It’s going to have to be another 2005 season, only we’ll definitely have to end up undefeated. If we take even 1 loss we’re not getting a NC shot. OSU has squandered any capital we had with the voters, and if a two loss SEC team or Big 12 team comes out as the champs of their conferences they’ll get in before us. It’s going to be USC vs. somebody, and that somebody won’t be OSU or a 1 loss Big Ten team. The media, the public, everyone considers the Big Ten to be entrenched as the 4th best conference because our flagship pair of schools continue to drop turds. It’s Penn State’s job to fill that void and shut some people up.
And I’m a little surprised with Cowherd, considering for the last couple years he’s been the driver of “TEH BIG TENN SUX11!” bandwagon. But then again, he is in the business of getting ratings and nothing gets ratings like hopping off and on bandwagons.
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by 06Lion on
Sep 18, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
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Well
the SEC championship game would only be the national championship game if the SEC champ goes on to win the NC. As we could see with OSU & UofM a couple years ago, I think the voters are pretty hesitant about putting 2 teams from the same conference into the National Championship (and the fact that OSU got blown out of the water by Florida further validates this, since clearly the best team in the country wasn’t from the Big 10, let alone the best 2 teams.
I would imagine that if Penn State (or any other Big 10 team) goes undefeated, and there aren’t more than 2 undefeated teams in the country, then they’d get the nod to go to the national championship game. Of course I’ve been tricked into thinking people will act reasonably before.
Of course I could just see Penn State going undefeated, but getting snubbed from the National Championship game, which decides to face undefeated USC off against 1 loss Florida. Maybe then the gears will be set in motion to implement an actual playoff, just like getting snubbed in ’94 was one factor in creating the BCS, and the awful calls against PSU in 2002 costing us a couple games leading to instant replay in college football.
by The JuggerNitt on
Sep 18, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who thinks USC WILL NOT play in the NCG?
Call it a gut feeling, but I see them losing a game or (gasp!) 2 this year. It’s college football, and if we’ve learned anything, it should be that anything can happen on any given day…ANYTHING!
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on
Sep 18, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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Pete Caroll Super Genius
Has one undefeated season.
He is the coach of the biggest, richest, most tradition laden football program, in the most populous state in the country, with the most talented players, while playing in a shit conference.
And he has one undefeated season.
One.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Sep 18, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Sure, though that gut feeling could be...
some gas from last nights ’brews…
They proved that last year (besides you gas) with Stanford.
“That’s why they play the games!”
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by BlueWhiteLife on
Sep 18, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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I think my reply got eaten up so I'm posting again
Anyway, I’m with you. I think they’ll choke again during their conference schedule. Wouldn’t it be lovely if the Beavs upset them? Ohho, that would be glorious.
by GreatScawt on
Sep 18, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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What would that do for Penn State?
Nothing. In fact, they would say “well, USC lost on the road and Penn State beat them at home. Plus Sanchez played with a sprained vagina and that played a factor, not to mention a handful of unfavorable calls from the refs. USC is still the best team in the country. Go Trojans!!”
USC drops easy games against inferior teams every season — Oregon St., Cal, Stanford… And every year they seem to still be in the NC game talk. This year will be no different.
I’m hoping for a Georgia Penn St. BCS game myself. Nothing would say “Joe just saved the The Big 10” like another quality win against the super SEC.
by millzners on
Sep 18, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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That USC chariot and stallion...
could turn into…dare I say…a “horse n buggy”…
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on
Sep 18, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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IT'S DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL.
I mean, they lost to friggin’ Stanford last year. So there’s always hope.
by Run Up The Score on
Sep 19, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
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Undefeated
and with a dominating performance against Ohio State still might not get PSU a shot at the MNC. An undefeated USC, Miss, Okla, or even a one loss SEC team, would likely get the nod over PSU. Such is the lack of respect for the Big Ten. Joepa undefeated, untied, and uncrowned once again. Zero chance that Joe would get a sympathy vote ala Tom Osbourne.
by JIMPSU on
Sep 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Joe Paterno Super Genius
Has one undefeated season since joining the Big 10.
Plays in a shit conference.
What’s your point?
Are you really trying to dispute the success of Pete Carroll?
The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs
by The VD Special on
Sep 18, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Let's turn that around
Are you really trying to dispute the success of Joe Paterno?
Maybe in 30 years, if Carroll even sticks around in NCAAF we can talk. But until then Pete is a flash in the pan with 1 undefeated season. Joe has had 5. Joe has had the kind of success that Pete Carroll can only dream about.
And the point is, that if there’s one person who’s been undefeated and denied a shot at the national title more than anyone else, it’s Joe Paterno.
by millzners on
Sep 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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No, I'm not disputing the succes of JoePa
That was my point. Obviously JoePa is one of the greatest coaches of all time. And I’m sure Pete Carroll is quite happy with the success he’s had. If he stays around for 30 more years, I’m sure he will have his 5 undefeated seasons. My point was comparing Pete and Joe is pointless. Pete Carroll has 2 National Championships in 2 years. JoePa has 2 in 41 years. So who should be jealous of who? Joe Pa also coached in a time when you could have as many scholarship players as you can afford. Pete Carroll has to deal with his limit of 85 per team. And as for being a Beaver fan, that has no relevance to this topic. I’m a fan of college football who saw someone bashing one of the best coaches in the game currently.
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by The VD Special on
Sep 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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You're right
The comparison is pointless. It’s like comparing apples to shit. Paterno has done it with class and honor. Carroll has done it via questionable means. Say all you want about PSU’s recent legal issues, but at least JoePa lays it all out in the daylight and drops harsh punishments when the players step out of line. DUIs get players a slap on the wrist at USC, despite their ridiculous depth at all positions. Boosters paying Reggie Bush to play for USC gets completely whitewashed by the sunshine of SoCal.
USC is on a great run right now. But let’s see where Petey is in 30 years. If he’s still there, racking up 10+ win seasons like JoePa, then he might be able to sniff the garlic and marinara sauce on the old man’s sack. But until that time, Pete is nothing more than a Rich Rodriguez, Charlie Weis, Nick Saban, or Jim Tressel…a coach that will largely be forgotten 50 years from now.
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by 06Lion on
Sep 18, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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No matter how much I SHOULD probably dislike him...
I’d take Tressel out of that.
Anyway, good point.
by GreatScawt on
Sep 18, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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I have no problem with your opinion...
but try to get the facts straight. The Reggie Bush mess had NOTHING to do with boosters. I’m sure you’re not really interested in all the details but if you Google it you’ll see that Boosters had no involvement what so ever there.
As for how player discipline is handled it’s probably best to just say each program handles it differently. You know glass houses, stones and such. I know no more of how JoPa handles these issues anymore than you know how PC handles our issues. It’s easy to to have an opinion w/out all the facts which is why I simply shrugged at the OTL piece, paid it no mind and simply moved on.
You are right, SC is on a great run and most rational SC fans know that it probably won’t last as long as JoPa has but the market has changed and coaches don’t stay in one place forever anymore. I think that’s a good thing as being in one place for long time has its drawbacks, you can draw your own conclusions…
by Paragon SC on
Sep 19, 2008 6:08 AM EDT
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Nice rational response...
I read your blog regularly and am impressed by the humility in your posts.
pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.
by rahpsu92 on
Sep 22, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Oh hell no
You’re not a Beaver fan talking smack in a Penn State blog are you?
I’m just going to say one thing…45-14.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on
Sep 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Anyone who brings up their conference vs. your conference is just an idiot who’s team sucks.
by millzners on
Sep 18, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
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Mike, The VD Special is...
formerly OrSt Beavers, one of the Building the Dam bloggers. Comes across as a pretty level guy. Didn’t see smack layed – just a response to damning the Pac10 – nothing different than our reaction to most tools crapping on the Big11.
pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.
by rahpsu92 on
Sep 22, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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Are you really trying to dispute the success of Pete Carroll?
No, I am trying to put it in prospective.
A trained monkey could win nine games a year with the teams he’s had. Do you think that Joe Paterno would lose a virtual home game for the National Championship with Reggie Bush and Lendale White on the squad? I got news for you, that would not happen, not in 1968, 1998 or in 2008.
USC’s talent puts them in the top ten every year. Coaching is why they lost to Texas, and Stanford and California, etc. They have played themselves out of titles or undefeated seasons four out of the last five seasons and they have had superior players to their competition ever year.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Sep 19, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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To be fair.
He has to recruit the talent, and he does a great job of it. Schools like UCLA and Arizona have very similar resources and locations and aren’t anywhere near as successful as USC.
He’s also not a bad coach, I would argue that the best assemblage of talent has occurred at USC and Notre Dame. All I’m trying to prove with this statement is that Charlie Weis is not quite as good a coach as a trained monkey.
by Cairo on
Sep 19, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Charlie Weis is not quite as good a coach as a trained monkey
I will not be suprised when Charlie Weis starts throwing his own feces at the officals.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on
Sep 19, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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"You shouldn't throw anything...
with that bad knee Ed…"
…name the moive!
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on
Sep 19, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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You got it...
boyyyeee!
" We need MORE cowbell !"
by BlueWhiteLife on
Sep 22, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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I'm going to say
his screen name is “The VD (Venereal Disease) Special!”
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on
Sep 18, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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Its my initials, but yeah
Just to clarify
The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs
by The VD Special on
Sep 18, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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The things VD Special forgot in his analysis
Pete Carroll has his “2” National Championships, but one of them was an AP National Championship during the BCS era. I know USC and Carroll could make claim to other “unofficial” National Championships, but so could Penn State and JoePa. (and trust me, I hate the BCS, but it is at least better than the system that was around in 1994).
“Has one undefeated season since joining the Big 10” and has zero national championships to show for it. Carroll has one undefeated season since joining the Pac-10 and has 1 (or 2 if you wanna twist things around) national championships. Carroll plays in an arguably shallower and weaker Pac-10, and granted he only has about 1/6 of the head coaching time as JoePa, he also only has 1/5 the undefeated seasons.
Also, Pete Carroll took USC, a historic powerhouse in sunny south California and made it a national powerhouse, while JoePa took a “cow college” and made it a national powerhouse. That is like saying Carroll microwaved the leftovers he found in the fridge, while JoePa made cooked a meal from scratch.
“JoePa also coached in a time where you could have as many scholarship players as you wanted”…well yes, but JoePa also coached in the same times as Carroll, and it could be argued that limited scholarships is almost a benefit to USC since where would you rather pay to go to college, sunny SoCal, or State College, PA?
Anyway, come back when USC (or even Oregon State, for that matter) have as many unrewarded national championships for undefeated and 1 loss seasons as Penn State has.
by The JuggerNitt on
Sep 19, 2008 6:16 AM EDT
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I wasn't disputing JoePa's success!
For the love of God Penn State. Nobody would or could (logically and reasonably) dispute the success of Joe Paterno. The only point I was making is that Pete Carroll is not a shitty coach, and the Pac 10 is not a shitty conference. Please don’t start acting like SEC fans. The Penn State game was one of the best experiences for Oregon State fans, regardless of the score, and the fans were the biggest reason. I’m not saying one coach is better than another, all I was saying is you CANNOT dispute Pete Carroll’s success. Paul Hackett had the same resources and “historic powerhouse” that Pete has and couldn’t win. Just being a historic powerhouse doesn’t grant you success, you have to earn it, like Pete has. (Look at Nebraska, Alabama, Texas A&M, Florida St, Miami, Colorado, UCLA, and others). Please at least say you see my point?
The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs
by The VD Special on
Sep 19, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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My apologies
after looking back at the post orders, I saw you were doing the “Joe Paterno Super Genius” thing as sarcastic rebuke to an earlier comment “Pete Carroll Super Genius”. Since it was started as a new post, and not a response to the earlier one, I had forgotten about that one and thought you just came onto the board and started spouting that stuff and it came across as just an attack on JoePa, not a defense of Carroll & the Pac-10 that it was meant to be.
by The JuggerNitt on
Sep 19, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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Absolutely not
I love JoePa and what he stands for. He and Bobby Bowden are the last of the “Godfathers” of coaching- aka, guys who coached have been coaching long enough to remember when a season was cancelled so his players could go to war. A poor attempt at humor, but I digress. JoePa has done it with class, and built himself a program that will be sustained for years to come. Anyways, that’s all I’ve got to say on the matter. Good luck this year, and for the love of God, please win the Big 10.
If nothing else comes out of this year for you guys, at least you’ll finally beat Michigan?
The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs
by The VD Special on
Sep 19, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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shhhhhhhhh!!
dude, it’s like not talking to a pitcher during a no-hitter.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on
Sep 19, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Tressel
I don’t see how Tressel could tarnish the legacy of a conference. OSU gets pounded on the national stage by Florida, USC, etc. and that makes them look bad. Now if OSU loses to a team like Penn State, Illinois, then that would only prove that they’re not the best team in the conference. But if they go through the Big Ten without any loses then doesn’t that mean the Big Ten is weaker? That might not be the popular opinion here, and we’ll have to see how the season ends up, but at the very least it would mean that whatever team OSU beats is probably worse than whatever team OSU loses to?
by WPIALkid22 on
Sep 19, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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