Fun with statistics
I have seen a lot of talk in the last couple days about Big Ten championships and National Title contention, and I have to agree that I'm as excited as anyone about what's happened so far this year. After Saturday's win I'll admit I had one hand on the crazy straw and one hand on the refrigerator door, eyeing up the Kool-Aid...but before I go completely insane, here is some sobering statistical analysis...
DISCLAIMER: I expect this post to be boring to many (most) and I realize I'm a nerd. Try to stay awake. This could be informational.
To be favored in a game, your chances of winning are predicted to be over 50%, nothing ground-breaking there. And Penn State has 7 to go in this regular season. We could well be favored in every game from here on out, but how far over 50% are our chances in each remaining game? For starters, let's blindly say we have a 70% chance of victory in each individual game left this year:
Our chances to run the table are then 0.7^7 (0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7, one for each remaining game), or 0.082. Using this logic, we have an 8.2% chance of running the table and (obviously) a 91.8% chance of going down to somebody. Assuming a national title game appearance is a lock if we go undefeated (it isn't, but it's probably close) and that game would be a toss-up, our chances of bringing home the crystal football are 4.1%.
This simplifies things quite a bit, of course, because we have a greater chance of losing on the road to a Wisconsin or Ohio State than at home to Indiana. If anyone wants to get really techinical, you could predict what you think the line will be for each of our remaining games, then do some research to see what the success rate has been in the recent past based on that spread. But, using an easy formula like this you can see that our chances are not great for a national title game appearance.
I don't mean to be a total doom-and-gloom guy, just trying to offer some perspective, and here's some more: USC and Texas were considered head-and-shoulders above their competition in 2005 but even still, running the table as preseason #1 and #2 was a once-in-a-lifetime event, no matter how much more talented they were than their competition along the way. Consider this: even if you said USC would beat each of their opponents 9 out of 10 times in 2005 (a reasonable assumption?), that leaves them with a 0.9^12 = 28.2% chance of running the table. Saying the same for Texas that year, we need this 90% chance to hold for 24 games, or 0.9^24 = 8%. And that assumes USC and Texas were expected to dominate each and every team on their schedules that year. The moral of the story? THIS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME STUFF IS HARD!!!! It's hard to get there! It's even harder to win!!! And, get this: (as much as I HATE tOSU) It's WAY harder to get to two title games in a row and lose both than it is to get to one and win!!!
IMPORTANT PARAGRAPH: At this point, Penn State has the best shot of winning the Big Ten, statistically speaking. PSU will be favored this week against Purdue, and if victorious, again next week at Wisconsin. If I had to put money on anyone to win the conference right now, my money would be on Penn State...but I'm smart enough not to put money on it. The moral of the story? It's awesome to dream, and I'm as much a dreamer as anyone, but realistically we have a LONG way to go. Buckle up. It's going to get bumpy. There are twists and turns. Oh and, no Kool-Aid on the bus.
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Kool-Aid
I’m all about cautious optimism, especially since we’re sitting at 1-0 in the Big Ten and 8-0 in conference is required for a berth in the Nat’l Championship game.
That being said, we have to remember some crucial points: the road trip to Wisconsin in 2 weeks didn’t get any easier with their loss to Michigan
The road trip to Columbus didn’t get any easier with their loss to USC, nor their lackluster start thus far
We are used to heartbreak; see:1999 (wow am I glad Minnesota isn’t on our schedule this year, and I’m really glad we don’t have a home game against them due to what history says)
I drank Kool-Aid on Saturday night and it drove me to search flights to Fort Lauderdale before/after January 8th; called a buddy in Ft. Lauderdale and told him I’m sleeping on his couch for x# of nights; told my dad to prepare to submit a bowl ticket request on the afternoon of November 22, 2008; rework my budget for the next 3 months to allocate X dollars for a trip to Miami in early January.
Its not my fault, its the Kool-Aid’s fault.
These statistics aren't fun
They are hardly even statistics, they are borderline guesses with made up numbers. Lets “blindly” say it wont be easy
At least it gets the point across.
It’s hard to create statistics that football fans buy — if it’s too complex, nobody will believe you. Correlation is pretty much where everyone stops. Jimbo could have projected our offensive output over the past four years into a higher dimensional space, and then calculated a separation plane that perfectly decides win versus loss over that period, and then maybe ten people post “GAMES ARE WON ON THE FIELD MORON”.
The intersection of seven separate events is going to be a low number in almost all instances. Not everyone’s a dreamer.
by gumbercules on Sep 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My mind is blowing
right now. I’m still trying to get to correlation, where ‘pretty much everyone stops,’ nevermind a higher dimensional space and a separation plane. It all sounds wickedly cool, tho. Maybe a stats class, which I’ve never had, should be my next continuing adult education course?
Convivite Nudem!
You're right
The numbers I used up there aren’t anything advanced. I didn’t do any kind of research at all to come up with any of this, it’s just a guess. If anything, it points out two things: 1) As you stated, it won’t be easy, and 2) Any real analysis at this point in the year involves a lot of guesswork because it’s just too early. If I post anything else like this again I’ll attempt to throw in some actual fun statistics, if there is such a thing. CAN’T WAIT FOR THE NEXT GAME!
It's more fun to look at it the other way.
Using your statistical logic, we had a 0.7^12 of going to a national championship game at the beginning of the season: 1.38%
So….. that means the chances of us going to the BCS Championship Game undefeated is now 592% more likely than at the beginning of this month! Yay!!!!
Let's talk at 8-0
5-0 is way too early to be talking about this. thinking it yes, but talking NC is too early and crazy. Let’s see how we do against Purdue (probable win), Wisconsin (we havent been a ranked road team since 2002 whisky, call this a toss up), and those hated wolves (probable win, but dont jump the gun here).. then 8-0 going to osu, we can start the chatter, but things are very difficult ahead.
I would still consider 10-2 a success. Think about it this way. With the injury to Sean Lee, now Jerome Hayes, and all the off the field stuff, most anyone would have taken 10-2 in late August. Even if we lost at Wisconsin and OSU, then we will have beat Michigan and probably Joe will be ahead of Bobby. Those were my goals this year. And it can mean BCS, which would be awesome.
Extremely good points GeorgiaLion. This season sets up to be a great success. The offensive attack looks great, and the defense has overcome multitudes of obstacles to look capable if not solid.
One thing to note is that what seems to be getting everyone excited about Nittany Lion NC talk is the loses by top 10 teams that have vaulted Penn State into the top 6.
Keep in mind that Penn State is just as vulnerable to massive upset in the same way those before them were.
Purdue is more dangerous at home than Oregon State is.
Michigan is more dangerous on the road than Ole Miss is. (at least in the 2nd half of a game in which they finally got smart and abonded their stupid spread option offense for which they have no qualified players for)
Ohio State at home seems just as fierce as Alabama at home would be.
The same things that have tripped up others are waiting their for us.
Hopefully there will be a few of those season defining moments (MRob to Smolko on 4th and 17, followed by the DWill duck under at Northwestern….Tamba putting Troy Smith on his head and Paxson recovering the fumble) to come for this 08 squad.
by NittanyBadger on Sep 29, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting Thought . . .
The Buckeys werent expected to run the table last year as they were supposed to be rebuilding. I dont think Penn State was touted to anything special in particular this year. I for one didnt have any particular expectations, but as Georgialion said, in August a 10-2 record would have looked pretty damn good!!! I would have preferred to stay under the radar until at least week 6 or 7. While its nice to be regonized, there is no bigger bullseye then the one that the media can place on you.
Yo Blogue20 . . . Pass the Koolaid!!!!!!!!!!!





























