Big Ten...what is the problem??
It seems to me that the Big Ten Conference has not only lost its place among the nation's elite athletic bodies, but that there is no indication that the conference will get back on top any time soon. Barring a miracle Buckeye win over Texas, the conference will go 1-5 in bowl games this year. In fact, of the 4 losses in the books, all have been by double digits, ranging from Wisky's 30+ point debacle to Sparty's 12 point defeat.
This is not a new phenomenon. Since the creation of the Bowl Challenge Cup in 2002 (by ESPN--the worldwide leader in Penn State hating), the Big Ten has come out on top only once (in 2002). The bowl games that the conference teams have won in recent years are the "minor" bowls...no Big Ten team has won a BCS Bowl Game since Penn State won the 2005 Orange Bowl and Ohio State won the 2005 Fiesta. The Conference is 8-10 in BCS games, Michigan alone is 1-3...this is a true indication of the conference's lack of competitiveness on the national stage.
So, what is the issue? It could be the layoff. Penn State's last game this year was on Nov 21...40 days prior to today's Rose Bowl. That is entirely too much time. Incorporation of an open date or some other measure that ensures the conference plays its final games on the Saturday after Thanksgiving would mitigate the "rust" factor.
It could be the non-conference schedules. Aside from some isolated exceptions (Ohio State's one-and-one with Texas and USC, Michigan's date with Notre Dame and Utah), the conference's non-conference schedules are jokes. What does playing a Coastal Carolina, Eastern Illinois, Youngstown State, etc, do for the Big Ten? Nothing. While USC, Oklahoma, and Florida play their fair share of cupcakes, they also aren't afraid to play upper tier opponents. I am convinced that they benefit more from those games (even with the greater potential for a loss) than Penn State does from playing Temple and Kent State. Playing an A-list team every other year doesn't cut it.
It could be the schemes/atheletes. In Ohio State's demolition at the hands of Florida two years ago, the marked difference in speed between the two teams was painfully evident...as it was last year. In Illinois' Rose Bowl debacle last year, the gap in ability level between USC and the Illini was clear. So, is the conference not getting the athletes? I don't think so...I just think that the conference does a poor job of putting those atheletes to make plays. This may sound like blasphemy, but if Rich Rodriguez succeeds at Michigan, it could be very good for the conference since the style of play will have to adjust to his scheme. Michigan will get the caliber of athletes that Zook can't at Illinois, so you can't compare their schemes. Big Ten teams will be forced to recruit speed and athleticism, not size and strength.
Tough year for the conference, and the future doesn't look any brighter...well, maybe in Volleyball it does.
For the Glory...
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Problem is...
we seem to be in denial about a few things. Either they really are getting better athletes (no.more.white.safeties) or our style of coaching is outdated and not good enough to propel us to the upper echelon. Since I don’t see Joe Pa changing his entire philosophy at this point in the game, we can only hope someone from outside can bring new ideas.
We have a bunch of AD’s and Delaney who will be in denial over what is going on in the Big 10. Our strength is in just getting to the bowls, they would say. Everyone else except them will say the strength is in actually winning them.
As far as scheduling, it needs to pick up, if only for the fans.
It sucks to look in the mirror and realize you’re getting older. The Big 10 is definitely doing that. Now the question is how are they going to respond.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
Texas’s out of conference schedule:
Arkansas
UTEP
Rice
Florida Atlantic
All conferences play cupcakes. They have to, economically. It’s life.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jan 2, 2009 3:04 AM EST reply actions
Also..
The reason the Big Ten did poorly in the bowls is because they were scheduled a bit above themselves thanks to Ohio State in the Fiesta.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jan 2, 2009 3:06 AM EST reply actions
Very true, but...
the SEC and Big 12 also sent 2 teams each to BCS bowls. The remaining matchups for these conferences would also be tougher, but they have performed adequately.
The jury is still out on both conferences as far as the BCS games go, but there is a decent chance that one of two awesome things happens here to be probably ignored by everyone:
1) The Big 12’s Big 3 goes 0-3 in bowl games, losing to Florida, Ohio State and Ole Miss!
2) The OMGSEC loses both of their BCS games, to Utah and Oklahoma.
I don't think...
saying our games were too tough is a solid excuse for losing almost all of them. Not just this year, the last previous years as well.
Someone on Scouts did a quick list of the major forces that each school loses, and to be honest with you, its hard to deny that things could be worse next year. Collectively, the schools seem to be doing something wrong.
Anyone see USC’s run stopping anytime soon? Or Florida? I don’t think they will slow down too much. The only thing to do is to catch up to them.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
Only an NCAA investigation will slow those guys down...
just kidding! I just like picking on the Reggie Bush defenders…
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
USC is inevitable
“Anyone see USC’s run stopping anytime soon?”
USC? No. Welcome to Economics 101. College football isn’t a sport – there’s no league, there’s no one interested in competitive balance, and so economics wins out.
When did USC’s run start? Not when they started to win, but when the system started to fall into place: sometime in the late 90s-early 2000s? You think it’s a coincidence that’s just a few years after the Raiders left LA? USC is the major football sport in a football starved market. They make an absolute ton of money, they have fantastic facilities, and that makes them the most obvious destination for a ton of players in one of the most populous states in the country.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jan 2, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a parallel in Tennessee?
With the addition of an NFL and NHL team in Nashville it seems as if Tennessee football has taken a dive.
Definitely.
Note that I’m not saying that Penn State can’t beat USC, but that USC will always be a perennial Top 25 team. It’s life.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jan 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I want to believe it's cyclical
but like you I’m having a hard time seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Weak non-conference scheduling keeps teams at home. It brings more money. We always type U$C here, emphasizing the “$”, but the fact is the Big Ten is the biggest Daddy Warbucks of them all, so self indulgent with cash that quality of the games becomes low. More expenses like the Big Ten Network can’t help either.
And why should they change?
I’ve always stated on this board that we represent the Big Ten, but the Big Ten DOES NOT represent us. As football seasons go by though I can’t help but feel we’re sipping scotch at the Elk’s Club while the rest of the country does pilates at 24Hour Fitness.
Location
Big Ten teams generally travel further than anyone else for the bowl games too. This is not an excuse, but it is true. PSU travelled how many miles to CA while USC had to go what, a few blocks. Thats garbage.
"I've gotto go with PSU. Ill make that pick every year till I die, and eventually it's gonna happen. Hear me now."- LL Cool J
true statement...
I had that very conversation yesterday with several SC fans. The closest team we have would I guess be Iowa and their furthest is still only a non-stop 2 hour Southwest flight away. With that said, that stadium had a helluva lotta whitein the stands! Thanks to all of you who made it and I will put a couple of pics up later
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
i was really impressed
w/ all the white i saw yesterday! and sooooo proud!!! penn staters are like steeler fans…willing to travel any distance to support their team and that’s why i love ’em!!!
What pissed me off
The only thing i could hear was USC playing that damn song over and over. I was semi close to the PSU cheerleaders and never once heard a “WE ARE” come out of them. I was cheering my ass of and even caught my ND fan daughter cheering for the Blue & White (she can still be turned). How did the cheering sound on TV?
A bowl game in PA
I would love to see us play in a bowl game with a foot of snow on the ground and 20 degree temps.
Interesting.
Do you think it would be possible. I mean, if you can host a Super Bowl in Minneapolis or Detroit, why not a major bowl game? What’s the difference between a domed game in New Orleans and Atlanta and one in Big Ten country. Yes, there’s the weather thing, but it’s not a dealbreaker if you have two quality teams.
I think Lucas Oil Stadium (Indianapolis), Edward Jones Dome (St. Louis), and Ford Field (Detroit) could host some pretty impressive games.
That would be amazing!
I would love to see any of the high profile teams try to win a game in the snow and temps. of happy valley in January.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." - - Earl Weaver
by Gorilla Bird on Jan 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Yuengling "America's Oldest Brewery" Pierogi Bowl
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm soooo there at this bowl!
my friends are i are drinking 180 bombers one football saturday in honor of yuengling’s 180th bday this yr.
we may die…but it’ll be fun.





























