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Crowds (??) at MBB games

I know there was weather issues...but come on...it looks so pathetic on TV to have 3000 fans in the BJC.  It wasn't just last night's Purdue game...but at all the games this year, it looks so bad to see the oceans of empty blue seats. Why can't they play a couple of games in Rec Hall where at least you'd have some atmosphere with even 3-4000 people there?  All the games while the students are away should be played there.

I'm praying that once the students get back and the conference schedule gets in full swing that the early success will translate into some fan interest and decent crowds.

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All sorts of factors

Giant ice storm, no students…I mean, what do you expect? Hell, I’ve been at a game at Cameron Indoor Stadium when students were away and it was kind of lame.

--
Mr. Bob Dobalina

by Run Up The Score on Jan 7, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Plus, the winning thing.

And this is where I whine about the non-conference schedule. Playing NJIT and Sacred Heart does nothing to energize what little fanbase actually exists for the program, so it shouldn’t shock anybody that tiny, lethargic crowds show up for the games, even when students are there and the weather is good.

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Mr. Bob Dobalina

by Run Up The Score on Jan 7, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure it does. . .

Because it gets them to 13-3. They aren’t 13-3 without playing the NJITs and Sacred Hearts of the world. This isnt a program that’s ready for more high profile non-conference games. Playing those teams isn’t what turns the “fanbase” off, its losing to those teams (see Rider/UCF ’08, Stonybrook/SLU ’07. . . .)

by The IC Lion on Jan 7, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Strongly disagree.

They need repeat customers, not wins against NJIT. The men’s basketball program can’t be fixed by cupcaking its way to winning seasons, and I’m kind of shocked that the athletic department doesn’t realize it.

The program is ready to be competitive against good teams, even if they only win a handful of those games.

--
Mr. Bob Dobalina

by Run Up The Score on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’m not saying we have to fill the schedule with ranked teams, but at least put two or three on there. Besides the attendence boost, you will get a bigger RPI boost by losing to Pitt than you will from beating New Jersey Tech. Nothing good can come from beating a team like Sacred Heart. If you win it does nothing for your RPI. And if you lose your entire season is dead in the water.

by BSD on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt terminated the basketball series

over a small disagreement over football scheduling you may have heard about before.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Jan 7, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who is this 'Pitt' you speak of?

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Same could be said for football

Dark Ages – Miami, Nebraska (when they were both highly ranked)
Return to Glory- Buffalo, Temple, Coastal, Etc.

I think its a trend amongst most of the PSU teams. Atleast the baseball team scheduled Texas

by MrBrianPSU on Jan 7, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cupcakes like Coastal Carolina and Temple?

It works for football, just saying :-)

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Jan 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops, didn't see MrBrianPSU post

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Jan 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Much Like the Palace Hotel Ballroom

The place is a fu@#ing barn. They’ll never fill it.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Jan 7, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

*whispering*

If you win…they will come

by NittanyBadger on Jan 7, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As a season ticket holder in the first BJC season

That place was downright electric at times. It’s possible.

--
Mr. Bob Dobalina

by Run Up The Score on Jan 7, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was there too...

but the second season they moved all of the Rec Hall ticket holders to the upper deck. By the end of the third season, all of the Rec Hall season ticket holders stopped going.

My Dad and I went to about 95% of Penn State basketball games from the early 1980’s until the BJC opened. After the first season, I’ve been there maybe five times. My Dad has never gone back.

They literally killed their season ticket base when they moved to the new building by treating the Rec Hall folks so poorly.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Jan 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey...

…i didn’t even know penn state had a bball program. if i would’ve know while i was there, i prolly went to a couple games.

tehehe

by amandakt on Jan 7, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amandakt's room sounds...

hot…

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Jan 7, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless...

It’s filled with unicors and posters of Erik Estrada/David Hasselhoff.

by MicrobrewPSU on Jan 7, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope...

…..joepa is going to be moving in to my new apt w/ me.

by amandakt on Jan 7, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's going to take a long term solution

Obviously winning helps tremendously. Losing for so many years has created an entire student body that doesn’t care about basketball. Most of the seniors on campus today have probably never been to a basketball game. If not for THON they won’t even know how to find the Jordan Center. Those people are too late to bring back. They have to target the freshmen on campus. They live the closest to the BJC and furthest from downtown. I would canvas East Halls and bring them in to the BJC. Have little pep rallies on the quad in East Halls. Get students hooked when they first come on campus. Then when they become seniors and move into an apartment on Beaver Avenue they’ll miss the basketball experience and come back.

Then they have to do something about the Alumni who buy up cheap season tickets and don’t use them. A lot of them are corporations that get them to hand out to customers and employees. I’ve recommended several times that season ticket holders should have to check into a website a week before the game to acknowledge they intend to go. If they fail to log into the website and register their attendence, their ticket gets sold at the window on game day. Give the good seats to the people who show up instead of forcing them to sit in the upper deck or behind the basket. I bet you would boost attendence by 5-10% by doing this alone.

by BSD on Jan 7, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Targeting freshmen

Excellent idea, BSD.

Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.

by WFY on Jan 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they should start giving out tickets for free

with a student ID; at least for 1 game. Then people get to see our team is actually respectible and the games are fun to go to. I know for wrestling matches students get in free and everyone else pays, and Rec Hall gets filled both with young and old. I know from experience that a lot of people based their decision of not going on the fact that they’d have to walk to the BJC in -5 degree weather, pay $5, and see a bad team in the BJC which isn’t even half filled

by WPIALkid22 on Jan 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And sit in a lousy seat

I know when I show up and buy my ticket at the game I’m pissed off when I’m tucked in the corner behind the basket while there are thousands of prime seats sitting there empty. I bet more people would go if there was a chance to get a better seat.

by BSD on Jan 7, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I only buy tickets ahead of time now through stubhub or another service

If you just show up you get crap, even though all the seats below you are empty.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Jan 7, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are there empty seat guards or what?

Is it that hard to just move down to the empty seats or do they have armed ushers protecting the blue plastic in hopes the ticket holders show up?

Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Trapped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.

by bconway6 on Jan 7, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Back in my day... (part 2)

Students were free with a student ID and seating was open, sit wherever you want. I remember arriving early for some games and sitting in the front row and joking about how we were so close you could trip the opoposing team. Other times, we stood on the track at the top of Rec Hall.

And back in those days it was uphill both ways between East Halls and Rec Hall, past Lot 80 (The Tundra), in the snow…..

by NJ lion on Jan 7, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My standpoint....

The basketball program needs to show me something. Show me your committed to having a respectable program. I live in State College and could go to every game. But, I’m definitely not going to games like NJIT and Sacred Heart. I know I’m just being a bandwagon fan, but until I truly have confidence that this is a team worth following, I’m not going to spend my time going to games. I wouldn’t mind going to a few games, there are just other things I’d rather do with my time. I feel like I spend enough of my time in the fall going to football games, and it’s kinda of nice having a break.

by speedomike on Jan 7, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My two cents.

The marketing for basketball has always seemed like a desperate cry for attention to me. It’s like “Hey, guys! We’ve got a basketball team and we’re gonna try and play really really hard to win and maybe you’ll get a free pizza out of it or something.” It’s easy to understand: don’t suck, and people will show up.

As a student, a basketball game was somewhat of a novelty. It was put up there with attending a frat party as a junior, drunkenly strolling through Late Night Penn State activities in the HUB, or patronizing the Saloon. Something to do from time to time to mix things up, but certainly not a time-honored tradition. Penn State isn’t a basketball school per se, but that’s no excuse. There’s enough students on campus to fill up the BJC 3-ish times. Build a decent and reputable program, and people will show up.

The method of building that remains the question. There’s the cupcake diet, 10-1 at the start of Big Ten season approach, and the rigorous challenging teams, 6-5 at the start of Big Ten season approach, and there’s a middle ground. While this season represented the former method, the team looks pretty legitimate this year. Most years in the past, that hasn’t happened.

We need a few preseason cupcakes to work out the kinks. However, let’s make it a point to get local decent schools, like Pitt, Bucknell, Temple, St. Joes, and Villanova on frequently. There’s no reason the D-1 schools in PA can’t play each other every few years. They are all consistently decent programs. They also tend to bring a few fans in with them. I think it was 04 when we played Pitt at home. The place was 3/4 full (albeit half of the fans were Pitt fans), but anyone who was there can tell you it was a fun environment.

And for the love of Christ, play preseason cupcake games in Rec Hall. Even throw in one Big Ten game a year… limit the supply of seats and economics would dictate that you’ll create a demand.

by shadowfax on Jan 7, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

UNC just played at Nevada

So I can’t imagine it’d be that difficult to get some big programs to come here. Why can’t we get Syracuse to come here? Even if it was a 2 for 1 kind of thing. It’s so ridiculous. Look at the teams the women have played this year. The mens basketball program is quite possibly the worst run sport at Penn State.

by speedomike on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go back to Rec Hall

I’ve never been in the BJC. It seems like a good idea (big fancy new arena), but I don’t think it’s realistic for Penn State at this point. I graduated in 91, when all games were in Rec Hall. It didn’t take too many people to fill the place and really be noisy. The same number in BJC would look like a Pitt football game. Plus there was something nice and convenient about having the building right on campus.

I don’t know, maybe I’m just an old guy wishin’ for the old days…..

by NJ lion on Jan 7, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe old, but thats not the problem :)

Its the BJC. I graduated in 2007 and never went to a basketball game. I thought about going to a game against I think then #1 Illinois, but it was just a passing thought. The only experiances I had at the BJC were a freshman kickoff meeting type thing, a few job fairs and graduation. From the first time I was in there it just seemed so sterile that I couldn’t imagine anything resembeling an atmosphere in there especially for a mediocre basketball team.
Then I went to Rec Hall for a womens volleyball match and felt all cozy inside (not due to the short shorts, though they helped). There was just something about Rec Hall that felt like a college gym. I would have gone to a game or two just to say I had if they were held in Rec Hall.

Onward to the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Trapped in the SF Bay area.....nothing like kickoff at 9 am.

by bconway6 on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I graduated in 2007

and I had student season tickets to the men’s basketball team for four years. I wish you would have given it a chance. We could have used more students.

I do remember thinking that it would have been fun to see some games in Rec Hall, but like most things in college sports, it probably has to do with money. It’s probably more profitable to play in the BJC.

Zug be with you.
And also with you.

by NewJackCity on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at first, i wasn't sure

how it was more profitiable to play at the BJC if no one is going to games. but then i remembered these tickets are prolly paid for and no one uses the tickets. and then when corporations get a bunch of season block tickets to give away, they get them not only for the games but the concerts and other events held at the BJC.

perhaps, what they can do is look and see what companies are not using their tickets during BBall games and move those seats and let others get the good seats.

by amandakt on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BJC

I’ve been at the BJC for numerous Bball games and you’re right it’s not that fun when the BJC is half empty. The Michigan State upset was the most active I had ever seen the BJC. I was also there for THON when the place was packed and the atmosphere was electric. The bottom line to me is that the team must get better or else crowds are gonna suck regardless, and that the BJC has potential. A couple more big wins and I think we could see a nice spike in attendance.

by psuphiman80 on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

good call

didn’t see your comment till now, but that’s what I said. It isn’t that fun to sit in an empty gym with a losing team. It has some advantages, like courtside seats and being able to actually talk to the cheerleaders, but when you add in the fact that you have to pay $5, which is asking a lot from a college student, and walk a mile in the cold…

by WPIALkid22 on Jan 7, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

electric atmosphere

You’re right. The top three ‘electric’ events I’ve ever seen/been at the BJC were definitely THON the past two years, then the Michigan St game last year. At the end of THON last year, literally every single seat was taken up I think. Its crazy/impressive/and somewhat sad that a charity event brings in more people than the basketball team.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Jan 7, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Theory

The team needs to make the tournament two years in a row. Show they can be competitive more than once in a while, and people will start to show more faith. This is what Donovan did in Florida, and now he has a greta program. 12 years ago that basketball team was as bad as Penn State in regards to talent level, fans coming to the stadium, and general apathy.

by STU Boy on Jan 7, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They say

Winning cures everything. It’s so true.

by BSD on Jan 7, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EXCUSE ME?

No one remembers our thrilling final four run in ’54?

Listen, I say screw off to people that don’t want to be involved. I have been going to the occasional game since high school and more so once I got to school here. When we beat UNC in 01 to go to the sweet 16 is a wonderful memory of mine. The bottom line is that people will care once we are consistently good, and its that simple. I’ll of course have a good chuckle when the band wagon forms, its a matter of time.

And we might be historically not that good, but we are not UMBC or Belmont or something, we have been good every now and then and its starting to become regular but students can’t sit back and wish for a good team, if the fans show no interest, players won’t want to come here and make it better and the ones here won’t want to play well because nobody cares, show some damn pride in your school!

by Roland86 on Jan 8, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Myself and four others are planning to attend one or two games this year. So there’s five more you can include in attendance.

by unitboy on Jan 8, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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